That from happening. What would have prevented that from happening, her having a stable decent place to live. Youre making a choice right now if you go that way towards police, youre choosing not to give mothers like her house opportunities for housing. You seen a woman earlier who got stabbed. What would have prevented that from happening was her having a safe and decent place to live for her family. What will have also helped out of 11yearold, Mental Health services. You guys are hearing about bad street behavior. Police arent going to address that. Behavioral health treatment. You have proposals in front of you that youre making a choice. Going there, or reducing from the Police Department. These are really clear decisions. I really strongly you to go deeper. Youre only talking about a couple million in overtime. You should be going higher than that. That way, you can do the thing that we all know you want to do. Thank you. Good afternoon. Im the Deputy Director of the centre on juvenile and criminal justice. I want to thank this board for leading San Francisco into true juvenile Justice Reform with ordinance to close the Juvenile Hall. To move the city forward towards goal of reform, i ask the j. P. D. Leave empty positions unfilled. I asked the j. P. D. Not develop or fill new positions. This would be the fiscally responsible next step for the city to take. J. P. D. Has increase payroll for administrative staff while reducing compensation for those providing direct services to include probation officers, counselors and social workers. This is not a responsible use of the citys funds under the name of public safety. The j. P. D. Budget should not increase. Thank you. Afternoon im kelly cutler. Im asking you to support the hespa budget. Also, when it comes to the criminalization, thats what i talk about here all the time. The thing with the tacessers, tasers research and data shows how horrible it is. The we have seen since the creation weve seen massive increase in enforcement in our city. I was in d. C. Talking with advocates across the country. They all know about San Francisco. You need to look whats going on there. Theyre not tracking people getting connected to linkages to services. Theyre not tracking that. Theyre tracking tents. Theyre tracking 311 calls. This is ridiculous. We have a housing and health chris crises. I get it. I totally get, i wish there was some place that people could go. In the meantime, were seeing city funding to be where theyre standing there, you need to move along. Last night, theyre going in doing sweeps. Theres Community Agreement thats off limits. Funding should in the go there. Supervisor fewer anymore Public Comment . Public comment is now closed. We will resume our Budget Discussion with the Police Department and i believe supervisor stefani is next. Supervisor stefani i wanted to respond to the b. L. A. I want to reiterate and state at least that i also want to see overtime controls improved. I think the chief has rightly prioritized reforms. Were starting to see those efforts bare fruit. Homicides are down, assaults down, we have reforms that being implemented necessary reforms. Officerinvolved shootings is down, body cameras are implemented, biased training has been deployed and staffing and deployment unit has been created to maximize use of staff. I have a few questions. The overtime. I have three questions. The overtime is not an additional cost, correct . The proposed overtime in our recommendation . Supervisor stefani the overtime is not an additional cost . It is an additional. It has to be funded. Its theyre saying its funded by salary savings. You can delete it. Supervisor stefani they are repurposing to meet the need for next year correct . They are repurposing existing salary and benefit funding to meet the need next year. Thats right. Thats right. Supervisor stefani last question. The overtime increase is just for one year until the classes and civilians can be brought on board . Correct. Supervisor stefani when you say they have chosen not to implement overtime control. You made it seem like they ignored this. We are putting pressure on them for foot beat. We have one highest rates of property crime. Were having hearings on drug dealing which needs to be addressed. We are asking for more motorcycle cops, more enforc enforcement. We have a crises on our streets with the methane opioid addiction crises. We are taxing our officers whether you like it. Police officers are necessary. This idea that the 1971 number has been certified or solid is first ive heard of it. Last i heard we were at 1887. For me, i sit here as a supervisor who is sworn to do a job. The city charter tells me how to do my job. I cannot look at this and say, i can ignore it when it says the minimum is 1971 full duty sworn officers. I cant ignore that, none of us could can. All officer and employees of the city and county are directed to take all necessary acts to implement the provisionings of provisions the section. It refers to section 16. 123. In the event that happens when we look at civilianization, it says the minimum staffing level set shall be reduce by the same number of positions if the controller and the chief of police jointly certify that the reduction will not decrease number Police Officers dedicated to neighborhood, community policing, patrol and investigations and are not substantially interfere with delivery of Police Services to protect the public. This is our city charter. I wont ignore it. You cant pick and choose what you want to follow out of our charter. Lastly, 25 years ago, this was passed. 1994 was 25 years ago when we decided 1000 not we, but the voters deciding that the minimum we had to have. Our population was 730,000. Its now 900,000. We have a daytime population of 1. 5 million. We have more development. We have more neighborhoods. We have more calls for service. That 1971 number is even questionable. In my mind. Cutting the entire overtime thats repurposed for existing salaries to reduce the standards of services is absolutely out the question. Thats what i have to say on overtime. Thank you. Supervisor fewer thanks. Supervisor mandelman earlier it looked like the controller will Say Something about the staffing whether or not were meeting the charter standard. I have a little piece of paper that was texted to me that suggest that 2019 we had 1887 as the number of sworn officers in the department. I don full duty. Supervisor mandelman i dont know whether were meeting the target that we supposed to or not. We had some discussion in our revenue letter on page 24. I will say theres lot of theres Clear Elements of property and not Clear Elements it. We account for attrition and hiring over the course of the year. Should it occur, we could satisfied that 1941 would satisfy the charter requirement. This nuance answer about were meeting property in the first year or not, with that certification in year two, that nuance isnt necessary. The hiring Plan Suggested combined with the light Duty Officers that are out, plus hiring, plus the others indicates that we would get to the 1971 the second year. Supervisor mandelman i represent a district that i definitely had conversations with you focusing on your department about getting more response to both property crime and street conditions. I dont want to hamstring your ability to do that. Im hearing loud and clear from the b. L. A. Theres an overtime problem in the Police Department already. Theres little bit of discomfort for me in granting a significant increase in overtime when there are these recommendations i think its half a year. It would be good it know with some certainty kind of what is happening with those recommendations, how are we going to get away from the statistics that they are quoting around relatively small number of officers bearing a pretty significant overtime burden. To the extent we do grant additional overtime for this year its incumbent on us to ask you to really dig in on that problem and have an Actual Program how youre going to address it. Supervisor fewer actually, thank you very much. This has been a very long hearing. I want to say that i think that we all in this committee has strong feelings about things. I appreciate our chief and the work Police Officers do of course. This is not about that. Thank you for joining us supervisor yee. Supervisor yee is back. Thank you very much. Feel free to participate if you like. What i want to say is, weve been talking about this overtime budget. I think what i heard from you, chief and from others a be the foot beats is a deployment issue. It is not so much in overtime issue. It is really deployment issue. You yourself said when it gets really busy we have to take people off the beat. Even if you put 1. 2 million in foot beat, theres no guarantee you are going to do the 4500 hours or the 10,000 hours. You yourself said, if theres an emergency, you will pull people from these and deploy people from these. Theres not a line item in your budget for patrol foot beats. I want to very clear, we are not cutting your budget. Is that correct . Just answer me a yes or no. I know we had lot of discussions. Please just answer the question. Are we cutting your budget . With the overtime cuts, yes. Supervisor fewer your overall operating budget . Yes or no answer. Are we reducing your overall operating budget . Yes. With the recommended cuts, yes. Supervisor fewer you are getting an increase in the budget are you not . You asking reducing the budget . The increase is there. We laid out what the increases were. Supervisor fewer im just saying that you have a bigger budget this year than last year. Last year i believe it was 84 million increase in your budget. We have put two earnings tra Academy Classes through. We did that because we know that we need to get our staffing up. I think that what im hearing from people who are sending emails is a falsehood. They say youre cutting patrol. We wont have patrols. That is not true. With your budget, excuse me mr. Rose again, how much is the Overall Police budget . Members of the committee. I want to state on page 17 of the report, this right from the controller records. The budget analyst got this from the controller. Our recommended reduction total 3. 1 million, all which are onetime saving. These reductions would still allow an increase, this is from controller, a 62 million or 10 of the departments fiscal year 11920 budget. Supervisor fewer theres a lot of falsehood going on. I dont blame people. People want more police, they want more patrols. They would like to have a Police Officer in front of their house if they could. Im saying, your budget is increasing by 62 million. To say that we are cutting our budget i dont know who is telling people that were cutting your budget is not true. Were kes increasing your budget by 62 million. To stay we are not adding more Police Officers is not true. We have added 155 new deployed officers in this years budge. Were upping up to 205. And 250 in 2021. There is not been a proposal to cut any those Academy Classes in these discussions and Everybody Knows that. I dont know what emails you received. Supervisor fewer im not blaming you chief. I allowed you to speak. This is the first time ive been able to speak. Please may i finish my sentence or comments. We have been receiving emails. This is not a reduction in the Police Department. Youre getting the Police Department is receiving 62 million increase. This is not eliminating patrols. This is not eliminating foot beat. Lets be clear about that. That is simply not true. I know that people love to exaggerate and they love to expound on if you dont do this t then its doomsday. This is the trumpism of our society now. If you dont do this, then its all hell and were not going to have any Police Officers. That is not true. The truth is, i sat on this Committee Last year. The budget legislative analyst gave a recommendation that you should look at overtime protocols. We actually approved a very large budget last year. And still, there hasnt been protocols put in place. If you were sitting in my position, when we have 11yearold attempting suicide because they dont have a home and 500 million of ask from the community, the majority of people who are living on less than 50,000 a year and they say, i would say to them that we would allow 2. 4 million increase in overtime but not require any kind of protocol. You talk about the charter, you talk about morality, this is simply immoral. I understand that you have over 20 million overtime budget. This is not saying you dont have an overtime budget. This is saying you have 20 million overtime budget. Youre able to work within confines of your budgetary restrictions. Weve been able to actually achieve a lot. I think for those of us who look at these large budgets in the amount of overtime, i understand that they are repurposing money but it is a jurisdiction of this committee that sits here before you to determine how the salary savings are repurposed. That is why we are here today. It is you to bring up a proposal, it is for us to say whether or not this be the determined, this is how this money should be repurposed. Let us not fight about, this is my money, i own it because its my salary savings. Salary savings goes back into the general fund. Unless we decide as this committee here, who is the last firewall between the taxpayers and the government expenditures that we say whether or not this should be repurposed. Im not blaming you for what weve been hearing. I do blame others that are really spreading falsehoods. It is simply quite frankly not true. It is a 62 million increase in the budget. It is not true that your budget has been cut and cut. It makes it sound were taking away 62 million from you. These numbers are so big, even on this budget committee, we have 2. 2 billion budget. These numbers are so big. Image barely i can barely get my mind around it. Behind every dollar we spend, that is a dollar earned on the hard working backs of san franciscans. Today, i want to say, i am ready to repurpose the 1 million. Im happy to come to a compromise with you about the overtime. I will not release 2. 3 million of overtime to your department. Even though our wonderful harvey rose recommends that we sweep all of it. Im willing to come to a compromise. Im not willing for those of us in this room here to continue the lies about your budget being cut. It is not being cut. It is being increase by 62 million. I think that really shows that we also really appreciate Police Department, chief, i think youre going in the great direction. I would never want your job. I think it is incredibly hard. You being our chief of police is highly honorable work. Therefore, chief, i think it is time that we came to a compromise about our overtime. I think that you will see consensus on the board and we have heard from some folks here they are willing to cut the full overtime amount and sweep that into the general fund. However, i think theres some of us because this board is not 100 on board with that, we have people on this board that dont fully agree, im hoping we can come to a compromise because we work collectively, even though we will take a vote. We Work Together. I have to say if i been harsh, it is because of the misinformation. I think that as our chief, you need to set the record straight. Supervisor ronen do you have something to say . Supervisor ronen i have not chimed in on the overtime yet. I wanted to do that. You really appreciate chair fewers comment and agree with them almost all of them. I also have tremendous respect for you chief scott. When you say you need something, it holds a different weight because you are a straight shooter and you dont play games. I know that when you are seeking to do something, youre seeking to do what you say you will do. I think that we have an overtime issue in general in the Police Department thats been there forever way before your time, we havent gotten it under control to hear from the b. L. A. , what percentage of so many officers salary is from overtime, can you tell me what you were telling my on the side. Over 50 madam chair, supervisor ronen. We looked at overtime as a percentage of total salaries, if you take the top 20 Police Officers, the range of that percentage that is overtime to total salaries a low 69. 2 as i recall. I believe im correct to about 82. 3 high. Its a huge percentage of overtime pertaining to salary. If you look at the entire force, we estimated that approximately 26 of the sworn officers get 50 of their salaries in overtime. Their overtime is 50 of their base salary. Were not saying that we cannot document that any one hour of overtime is not justify. Were not making that representation. We are saying there are literally very few overtime controls as has been pointed out. The Police Department had stated they are in agreement they were going to implement some controls. Which never happened. Yes the overtime as a percentage of salary is high. As pointed out by the supervisors, when you work that much in overtime, thats got to affect to some extent. Your ability to provide services to citizens of city of San Francisco. Supervisor ronen this wasnt you, chief, someone put out there that were cutting your overtime. The implication is that if we dont support this request, if that were not foot beats arent important to us. I want to put out there that finding out how many foot beat officers we have in market. How many foot beat officers we have in union square, how many officers we have serving tourists areas of San Francisco compared to foot beat officers we have serving the neighborhoods. Morning rush hour and night time rush