Thats 600 pages of state rules for overhead line design, construction, and maintenance. Of course as you heard earlier, this was developed over years of workshops and reviews and collaboration between all of the utilities. So on this slide, im just kind of going over the attachments and what we do. At t is attached to approximately 26,000 poles in San Francisco. Now, of those, 2,000 are solely owned by at t. The majority we are coowners with pg e and you heard a little bit about that earlier. Our inspections as far as maintenance and inspections and protocols, our techs are required to inspect the infrastructure for safety issues every single time they touch our equipment. So if you are running around San Francisco, you see our trucks everywhere. So we are constantly doing these evaluations. They actually call it a tzone inspection that they need to do, where they look up the pole and then they look both directions as far as the ooi can see just to notice if there are any irregularities or anything that needs to be repaired and they are empowered to repair that on site or file a report immediately. Go 95 also lays out a timeline that you heard earlier for routine inspections at longer intervals, but we feel here with at t and in San Francisco which is so dense and pop you you populace, we are identifying the pole for integrity. Additionally every provider attached to a pole is obligated to notify the other users of that pole if they identify a safety issue. Which means if pg e is looking at a pole and they see some problem with our equipment, then they notify us right away and we would do the same if we saw another provider having an issue, we would report it right away. As for our protocol in responding to these issues, go 95s rule 18 specifically lays out timelines for how quickly we should address each issue and we do follow that. Lets see. I know as far as mapping, we do have a map of all of our equipment. We dont share that publicly for security reasons, but we are also working with the open proceeding that cpuc is holding right now to develop sort of a solution to that. As far as load calculations, the cpuc has rules that every attacher must follow. A new attacher will apply to the pole owner and then conduct the required load calculations that they must do as part of their application. The pole owner would review this and approve or deny that attached application. Every single time new equipment is added to a pole, it is reviewed pretty thoroughly. Supervisor fewer kammy, just for clarification, you own part ownership of 26,000 poles in San Francisco. So every time anyone wants to attach new stuff onto the pole, that they have to follow they must apply to the pole owner. Right. Supervisor fewer so if at t wanted to attach new stuff, new equipment, you would apply to yourself . I dont think we would file an application to ourselves. Im talking about an external carrier or provider supervisor fewer so that means of 26,000 poles that at t had ownership in, you can attach any new equipment that at t owns. With the 2,000 that we solely own, yes. But with the coownership ones, we would need to discuss with pg e. We still need to do a load calculation. All of this has to be approved. It has to be able to withstand all of the additional load and we would never install something that would make a pole fail. We do have the internal review process as well. Its not a formal application. Supervisor fewer so would at t then have to apply to the other pole owner, which is pg e. So you jointly own these poles with pg e . Yes. Supervisor fewer so if you wanted to put new equipment on, would you then apply to your partner, pg e, who is a joint owner of the pole yes. Supervisor fewer to see whether or not you could put this equipment on . Yes. Supervisor fewer but you wouldnt apply to your own self . No. Supervisor fewer okay. So has there been any incidents of at t wanting to put new equipment on and it being denied at all . We have had instances yes. We have had instances where we have applied for like a puc pole and the puc will say, you need to if youre going to do that, youre going to need to replace the foundation or youre going to have to help us you have to replace the pole. Weve gotten denials like, saying, yes, you can use that pole but heres what youre going to need to do in order to make the pole withhold that weight supervisor fewer so do you forgive me that i dont know this, but puc owns poles also . The San Francisco puc, yes. Supervisor fewer the San Francisco puc. You dont jointly own poles with the San Francisco puc . No, we would rent space. Supervisor fewer you would rent space. Yes. Supervisor fewer so the San Francisco puc that owns these poles, they only rent space, they dont have coownership; is that correct . Right. Supervisor fewer thank you. Yeah, i know its all confusing. Im grateful for this hearing because i learned quite a bit about my own company because i dont normally do all this engineering stuff. Yes, then theres the abandoned equipment question which i know that is very important to you, supervisor fewer, yes, so the definition under go 95 is if its considered to have no future foreseeable use. In San Francisco where we have so much churn as far as residents and theres a lot of renters and i actually have friends who change their Cable Provider every year just to get a bit more miles for their flight programs, people change all the time. So as long as that technology is still something that were using, if a customer moves, we dont want to just take that equipment down because we dont know if in six months someone else might move there and they would be responsible for paying for that equipment to be put back up. As long as it is still being used that technology then it stays up. The other thing is at t is required by the cpuc as carrier of last resort, that we need as long as there are still landline customers in california, we need to be able to provide landline service. So we cant take it down. Supervisor fewer so what youre telling me is that if you have an existing line, you keep it up because people may want to eventually connect back to it. So this happens this could happen repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly yeah. Supervisor fewer and is that why were seeing so much more stuff on the line . I think why youre seeing more stuff is there are more companies that are attaching to poles. There are more options for consumers. There may be more people now who have cable than five years ago or more people that have Internet Service than five years ago. So i think thats why youre seeing more stuff supervisor fewer and were seeing, as in the photo with the extra wires that are just hanging there the drops. Supervisor fewer yeah for a very long time . Yes. And we like to take care of those right away. Of course if a consumer or a resident sees something that they feel is out of line, they can report it to the cpuc complaint line, they can call 611, they can we get i get calls from your office occasionally when theres something that residents see as a miss and we try to take care of it as soon as we can supervisor fewer okay. Any other questions . Comments . Nothing. Youre not done yet . Sorry. No, im done. You know, we just we like to work with you guys and we try to keep it as safe as we possibly can. Supervisor fewer thank you very much. You probably already know this, ms. Blackstone, but the majority of the things we hear more recently in terms of complaints is when there are companies that apply for really large kind of overhanging theres no other word to describe it other than kind of ugly and very obtrusive in the neighborhood. I think theyre antennas or can you talk about that because the thing is they look theyre just ugly. Infrastructure is rarely beautiful. But the truth is its on a pole and its hanging and its big and if its next to your house you say, why do i need this large obstructive thing next to my house . And then i hear then i drive to other parts of the city and i dont see it as much in other parts of the city as i do in our part of the city. Im not necessarily sure whether thats true, if youre looking around youre going to see them, maybe youre noticing it more. At least in our neighborhood, theyre copper, brown, they pop up. People say i didnt have something here, now i do. Its large. Can you talk about that. Sure. Im not exactly sure what youre talking about. The large antennas that hang off the side of poles. So weve been all cell providers are doing small cell which is a like a canister that is on top of a pole. However, sometimes when there is a wood pole, the Planning Department has asked for whats called a side arm installation. That i think is the one youre talking about when its just on the top, people have less of a problem. When its hanging out and it looks like a big sure, no i understand. And thats maybe a Planning Department those are small or it could be the antenna or the radio that serves that. Theyre on your poles and definitely related to cell service and at t. I will say there are internet providers that have boxes that go on poles. I dont know if youve invited those smaller providers today, but they might be able to speak more to that supervisor fewer we might have to have this continued because this is i think deeper than what we originally anticipated. Im sure you get them in your district too, supervisor walton. Supervisor walton i definitely do, but its getting more and more concerning about it how many providers we have attached to poles and whos regulating or not that. Supervisor fewer it seems the regulation is very loose what can stay up on the poles and what cant. I have a clarifying question, these smaller providers, do they come and get permission from at t if theyre coming on your pole and are you required do you have to let them on there . Yes. But they have to get your permission . They have to apply and make sure whatever theyll be installing will be safe and the pole can withstand that load. Maybe we should have a followup on this one. Supervisor fewer i think we should, but actually were going to have puc here too because puc also owns a lot of poles in San Francisco. Puc owns poles, pg e owns postal jointly with at t. Thank you. Thank you, ms. Blackstone. Now from comcast, our friend dylan in a new capacity here. [ laughter ] supervisor fewer colleagues, its this presentation, so i hope everyone has a copy. All right, dylan, good to see you again. Good morning, supervisors. For the record, dylan ellian comcast, government affairs. Im joined by my colleagues kevin domer from my left and behind me john gumar from regulatory affairs. Thank you for the invitation to speak to comcasts commitment to safety and the safety program. We share the vision of the city of San Francisco for a wellmaintained network and the safety of workers and the public. We continue to invest in our network to provide a broad range of Innovative Products and services, including Gigabit Service to all clients. We have invested 8 billion Infrastructure Improvement since 2011. Additionally we continue to demonstrate our commitment to inclusion which provides lowcost highspeed internet to students and seniors in San Francisco and others. And since the launch of essentials in 2011, comcast has connected more than 6 million individuals to lowcost, highspeed internet. I just wanted to quickly say that we have a focus on Community Impact and digital with that, if i may, i would like to hand it over to my colleague kevin domer to speak. Thank you. Thank you. Kevin domer with comcast president field. So for us, safety is really important, its number one. We have approximately 100 technicians that work here in San Francisco, and we do a lot of training with them on what we call outside plant conformance, which is the go 95 regulations. We do a lot of training with them in getting them up to speed in these safety issues. We are instructing them to on every single job to look one span right, one span left, and look for any nonconformance issue that they may have. Part of the closing of any work order requires that they close the job with a pass, fail, or repair on outside plant conformance. If they repaired something and made it up to standards, then they would close that job out as a repair. If its something that they arent capable of repairing right then, because of time or its beyond the scope of what they can handle, then they fail it and a return job is immediately created to have the work done. Supervisor fewer thank you. Now, if it is an extreme safety issue that is perilous, they are instructed to stay on site for as long as it takes until they can hand that off to the entity that needs to fix it, whether its another utility, even the Fire Department, Something Like that. We must stay on site until the issue is resolved or hand off to someone that can resolve it. So we have a map here. This is just kind of an example. This is six months of data and this is the number of work orders that weve had within the city of San Francisco. So every black dot is one of these work orders. Just to kind of give you an idea of how much territory we cover during the six months so that we can do this evaluation of the spans, one left, one right, and do this what we call the patrol inspection to make sure everything is up to our outside plant safety conformance. So all field personnel are trained in this. Its an ongoing process from the very first pay that they become an employee. Were talking about the safety conformance. Every month we have specific training tailored precisely for them to gain their knowledge. I personally go out and train supervisors and what i call calibrate the eye. So i go out and train the supervisors so they can in turn use that knowledge to train the frontline employees as well so were all on the same page. We also have an outside plant conformance guide book that the technicians can reference when theyre out in the field. The technicians actually created a quick reference onepage sheet that they can use. Its a hardbound laminated sheet that they can use with the most common nonconformance issues that they can reference if they need to. Supervisor fewer so if you dont mind, i have a question. So when were looking at these utility poles, are you joint owners of any of these poles . No, were tenants. Supervisor fewer youre all tenants . When were looking at where you would be in this communication zone of the pole; is that correct . Yeah. Supervisor fewer okay. And since you have so many customers, im assuming that you have really a lot of wires on our poles. Would that be an accurate assumption . Well, we have the drop lines that go to the facilities, the house or the building. Supervisor fewer okay. So your lines go from the building. Okay. So your lines actually do you so to get your service to the building, is it a single line that runs . Yes, single line. Supervisor fewer thank you. What additional stuff do you have on the poles besides that . Well, we have, you know, active devices like amplifiers, things like that that are not on the poles but are on our strand. Supervisor fewer on your strand. That hangs between the poles. Supervisor fewer are those those black things hanging between the poles . Im sorry . Supervisor fewer we see these bibbing black things now on the poles, on the wires, are those yours . Im not sure, that i mean, theres several utilities that have black things, like what youre describing. Supervisor fewer yeah, i know. Im so sorry. Untrained eye. Its nice to see you again. Yes, we do have amplifiers on our poles, but over time its our investment in our network is to put more fiber into our network so we dont need amplifiers. And what that does is take an rf signal and boost it. If you put more amplifier in, you dont need to boost it. Are there more amplifiers . Yes, but less than when i started the company a decade ago supervisor fewer is there a plan to get rid of those and have more fiber . Get rid of, yes, but not totally eliminate. There would be some portion of a neighborhood that you may need to boost signal. For instance, our 1 gig service was referenced. You have lots of people using that at one time, that rf signal is going to be need to be amplified. We will not eliminate, but bring more fiber over time supervisor fewer so youre saying there is a plan to remove many of these on the poles by using fiber; correct . Thats correct. Supervisor fewer any questions . Supervisor walton just a quick question. You may not be able to answer this and ill have to wait. Do you know how one comes to owning a pole . How does that decision get made . I do not know. I mean, cable started as a tenant. We have a longterm interest in being owners supervisor fewer thank you. Any other questions or comments . Thank you, comcast. We have other providers, though, that are providing the service that you provide; is that right, dylan . Pardon me. Supervisor fewer we have other providers that are providing the same service that you are providing . We like to think our service is unique and best in class, but there is competition to your question. Supervisor fewer you are sharing that particular area. The communications zone, yes. Supervisor fewer so would you say that also through inspection that this is where were seeing most of the new wiring coming in, is in this Communications Area . If i may. Yes, supervisor, there are and this has been spoken of this, monkey brains and other folks, sonic coming into the frisk market. You know, the a lot has been said about the how competitive this market is. I think San Francisco are the most competitive Internet Access markets in the country, but it does come with additional facilities in the city supervisor fewer okay. So as and so when my constituents say were seeing much more wiring on our poles, it is because more companies and more competition is coming in so they are putting up their own lines. Then we dont have any regulatory ability to regulate that in San Francisco, im believing, because that is regulated by the california puc and also this other pole agency, whatever it is, association; is that correct . I do not know the pole process supervisor fewer i think its a question for the city attorney. Thank you. Now we have puc, ramon abway. Good morn