Garage or driveway is a most common example. There is a big way, if the tree can be removed and replaced, we just do we cant do the appraised value because we are not losing a planting site. We are working on actually tightening up our code a little bit to beef it up in the phase of development. Right now, one of the other triggers, when there is traction triggers that reek wire Tree Planting, linear frontage. One tree, or in lieu fee is required per 20 feet of frontage area typical 25 foot wide singlefamily home reek is the tree or in lieu fee. Lets say there are no trees that require planting one tree. That is not triggered with this particular application. If it was we would be looking at all frontages of the entire parcel and add up 20 linear feet and figure out if they are short trees are yet it is Development Impact fee. Again, the average house requires one. That is a trigger that does not involve, or is in play here, but that is in play for driveways. I dont know if ive answered your actions typically. Commissioner honda is very helpful. Commissioner honda is a usually 11 trigger. Large development reek wires Tree Planting at the end of it anyway. Sometimes theyre required required to plant a bunch of trees, as a result of construction. The appraised value is typically all we get. Weve had one or two other cases where someone has come in, swinging big, and who are we to say no . Again, its about a policy that was carefully considered by public works. We hear the concern. Cases where in lieu fees have been paid, or acts number of trees are to be planted in lieu, do you have a rough idea of how many trees have been entered under those circumstances . I mean, it funds Tree Planting. We can be planting trees all over the city, we use those funds all the time. Are those trees were they going to be planted anyway . Were we going to be replacing trees that have been removed . Some go to replacement trees, some go to nutri locations. On average my is it funds of both. I would have to double check. That is a good question. Is this just funding replacement trees or is it ending a nutri . I would have to charge if it specifies. I would be curious. The in lieu fee, it is is typically replacing trees and or planting new trees. Good question. Try to have a question, it might be for the person from the department of environment. Perhaps it was a miscalculation. The appellant pointed out, i think grossly undercounted the removal of the tree that is in place. I think it quoted, in the stafford worked that it was 2. 6 kilograms, that seemed magnitude lower what was then quoted for the three trees. Can you explain that, and feet to why your department feels this is a better way to reduce hours co2 emissions, as opposed to replacing trees that will be here ten years from now, even though tesla is not. Charles sheehan, San Francisco department of environment. To your first question, the data input and the return that it gives you, i will. Out to the appellant brief, where he also shows a similar response. Essentially over 20 years, that same grass shows that is not sequestering any carbon. So, while my input was low, what he submitted it shows very low sequestration. We did do a secretary alternative analysis. Before you move on, im looking out, there is a statement of appeal, there is a second case that says public works order 201448 on page two of the document. Summary findings of sf requirement. Is it because the trees are younger, older. Why is one 2. 6 and then six of them are 10,000. Im not understanding that area attorney correct. The model input that we used, and we use the same model. There is different adaptations for the model, but we were using the same model. Its all about the input. The tree that we are removing is a red flowering tree. For whatever reason you put this into the model and you asked the model to return how much carbon it is going to sequester, it returns a very low amount. You see that in my report. You also see that in his report under sequestration, its virtually zero. Our models are showing the same thing when you put in the first box, after consulting with mr. But, that was a typical replacement tree. Thats the standard that we use. The model performs better. So, we did an alternative analysis after these documents were submitted and said okay, what if it wasnt a red flowering tree. May be it was a birch box that you are removing. We put the birch box in their and the model shows that the birch box performs much better than the red flowering gum. These are nuances to a model. I dont want to do it important trees. I want to consider the other side of the equation and that is what happens when you fuel switch from gasoline powered cars to electric cars. The amount of co2 that youre going to reduce going into the air, it is exceptional. You can look all you want at these models and put in different input. When you take less gasoline powered cars and replace them with electric cars, the Greenhouse Gas reduction benefits are tremendous. As your department is looking at this, im assuming tesla with some of the other sites, maybe their development from before you, does your department have a formal role in evaluating these . Are you trying to further the adoption, what is your state or are you just trying to encourage this . Its all of the above actually. Our department cochairs the Environmental Work Group within the city here. We cochaired it with the city administrators office, trying sfmta, we were the lead companychair. It has a number of recommendations in it. One of them is to use publicly accessible charging in the city. Right now there is about 750 publicly accessible charging port. We have been out of there are a couple of years now. Based on 2017 numbers there is 20 20,000 registered e. V. s in the city. There is a disparity there. In terms of publicly available. Im not familiar with i am assuming that you had to pay, but they are publicly available. That is correct area this is publicly acceptable, have to pay for the publicly accessible parking garage. Ive it would be when you are in a home, or when youre in a business and its only for the people who work there that business. Thank you very much. Have a couple of questions come as well. Theres 20,000 vehicles, but out of the 20,000 do you know how many have their inhome charging unit . No, i do not. We look at other cities to benchmarks ourselves, especially san jose. San jose has a lot more singlefamily home in San Francisco. One of the challenges here in our den urban network where we have large met multifamily buildings and how do you charge cars and those garages for the large multifamily units. I am an e. V. Owner. I cannot charge in my garage. It is is it a misnomer, i believe the appellant brought it up that after the battery, the Carbon Footprint is the same as a f1 50 . I would give her the representative from tesla what happened to that car, the battery. Not just a tesla, but a toyota, or whatever. I have seen this and heard this, the end of it lifespan that, you know, you have all of this how many miles for nothing, but once i better hit environment, the impact is the same as if you drove a ford pickup truck. The manufacturer and the consumption have environmental impacts whether it is a tesla, or whether it is a chevy. Whether you are buying them, or they are done and they will be scrap . The difference is the actual operation. Tesla doesnt have or e mitt omission, but chevy does the at the end of their life they have a carbon impact. During their life, what does that impact. Dont have any numbers . No, i do not. May be the presenter of tesla can answer that question area. In terms of the tesla proprietary charging. It is fair to say given the market share that tells the does have an e. V. , every tesla charging port in the city is freeing up, for lack of a better word, universal charging point that someone else can use for their car . If we didnt allow tesla charges in the city, teslas would just use other ones. They have an adapter that they can use other charging nation stations. She can answer that question, in rebuttal. I have one more session, is not the case that there was an ordinance passed, or hasnt passed, that rick myers commercial garages to have e. V. Chargers . That is correct area there is currently an ordinance at the board of supervisors that will require publicly accessible parking garage is to end goal e. V. Charging stations and concurrent without ordinance, the mayor, with the city departments, announced a number of parking garage is that there opening up to e. V. Developers to come in and and all charging stations. We are taking care of the public garages, and we are also taking care of the private garages as well. The private ones are still publicly accessible though. Have a couple of questions for mr. Buck. Can i ask my questions first . Im sorry. Representative from tesla . Land she waiting for rebutt rebuttal . We havent done rebuttal yet. Come on up. The question is, at the end of the day, the Carbon Footprint, a tesla 3 series, is that the same as a pickup truck . We have an Impact Report which has much more information than i can give you right now. If you are looking at the two different cars, and you take out the battery, and metal upholstery, they are pretty similar. A car is a car. With the batteries that have not been that many cars on the road, for that long. I think the jury is still out, as far as what is going to happen area that being said happen. That being said, the battery does not become useful for an electric car, this is a number im making up, when it cant hold 8 of its charge. At that eye my youre holding 80 of the charge, it does become useful for utilities, storage and things like that. There will be life for these batteries, in the future, that is not just them sitting there. Didnt really answer the question, but it is okay. I can share our Impact Report with you that has detailed information. Thank you. Do you want me to answer the universal question . You might as well, youre going to have to do it later anyway. Since you are up. As far as there is a question about Tesla Chargers pulling off other access will, and that sort of thing. One thing i think is important to understand is that there is a difference between level two charging, and level three charging. Level one, as a point of reference, all outlets. Level two, are the charging station that are down across the street here, you can charge a test on one of those, it would take about ten hours to get. A car with a smaller battery, it is a lot shorter amount of time. There is less electric going into it. The level three, which is what were talking about here, those are our supercharges. That takes about an hour to charge the full 300mile range. Give or take. It is an order of magnitude more power involved. For every supercharger we and all, over the course of ten hours, we can charge ten cars. Over those 12 stations becomes 120. Whereas if they were level two chargers, you would only have 12 cars charging over that same amount of time. If you want to enable car ownership for people that park on the street, i am one of those inferences go resident that rents an apartment, i dont have working on i park on the street. It is a pain to charge a an electric car. I guess you have a tesla . I do have a tesla. I have two drive to the city to charge it, which is not practical. I think for people or just your average consumer looking to buy an electric car, if you have to drive 20 minutes in order to charge it, once a week, that is not practical. What were doing here is trying to make it practical. Thank you. Any Public Comment . No. I know you want to get home, buu responsible for turning me into a tree hugger. [laughter] my first hearing, where you defended a tree on fulton tree, and then you won me over never to kill another tree, in my entire life. When i come off as this tree hugging radical, it is all your fault. Thank you. I really appreciate that. All right. Who or what entity overruled staff recommendation to deny this permit . Without a doubt we have regulatory person not regulatory, it is a policy person works for the Directors Office prayed without a doubt, amazingly, there are rushers on city bureaucracies. This permit came out of another department, or the Mayors Office . Also, our Directors Department to try to be firm with what is going on in these industries. Like i said, trees are the original solar. Now you want people wanting to end goal solar at the extent expense of an existing reit tree. Needless to say i am bothered by this for what i said before. You know, even if there are 5,000 tesla owners, in San Francisco, it is a minuscule amount. We are asking a very important. Listen, i love electric cars, i dont have one myself, i would love to own a tesla. I choose not to spend 100,000 or whatever the lowend car is, its very expensive. It is very restrictive for most citizens, San Francisco, to own the car. No bias against tesla. What im saying is a restrictive situation here. What i also look at is this; the beneficiaries of this will be the upper was a ownership. The beneficiary of this would be test the 412 and galatians that will benefit tesla owners. It will be a sales opportunity for tesla to sell more cars because you dont have to drive to the city, you can just go to our proposal. That is why you should buy my car. The beneficiary of this is pg e who is not going to send electricity into those charging patients for free. Three companies, which are forprofit companies, will be the beneficiaries of this to serve less than 5 , may less than 1 of the total of san franciscan. That bothers me. Why are we letting them off, if we do approve this, with three oars six street trees . Im still living in last weeks pained to be revisited. I know 41 tree locations in north each that sit empty right now, if tesla and pg e, and the owners of upper plaza want to self serve themselves or you i have 41 opportunities for them to plant trees if we want to move forward here, just to let you know, there is not a trend to deny necessarily. If we want to move forward, you have three entities that will benefit to serve less than 1 of the population. Why dont we raise the ante. What is the opportunity to raise the ante here, and ask them to take care of those empty tree sites, just as an example . For an, we have been working, you know, with real advocate for urban forestry, looking at strengthening our ordinance. Very often our ordinance will get amended, in very odd ways, you can be caught flat footed you say, you know, what were those other bells and whistles i wanted to add to it . We do have a working troop to look at strengthening some of our measures when trees are move due to development. Not really in place right now, but i hear what youre saying. Because we are on this, you know, economic run that we are on, there is a lot of interest among our advocate to say, are we getting enough out of this . I hear you, and there are people who are actively looking at some of those impacts. It is difficult, because i just dont know right now. I dont, you know, we dont have any in place to say this is our path forward in this case area. Given the broad powers of this body, how far can we stretch if we were allow this to move forward, but we want three very different multibilliondollar companies, but the tesla, and pg e. If we wanted to approve this knowing this serve so few people, and benefit these wealthy constituents area and how how broad are our powers to move beyond three or six in lieu fees and require something more . The code requires there be 11 replacement. It would be to issue, it sounds like tesla has voluntarily agreed to exceed the requirements of the code. I would give the advice that the board have the power to issue a permit that exceeds the requirements of the code. Unless they voluntarily i dont like your answer. I wanted legal clarification. Am understanding the impact fees that are identified in the code, they have to be based on some sort of analysis. I thought we were not allowed to touch that over the years youd. Of got another idea. Appreciate it. We will take that feedback. Is there any Public Comments on this item . Trying to run it come on anyone else like to become a can you line up on the side so we can get this moving along. Good evening. I am taking on behalf of the tree campaign. I still am not clear which trees they keep on talking about this, there is a line of trees on golden gate avenue between van ness where the property is not. It keeps evolving, each time we have a hearing on this, i actually have a picture of one of the postings that was put on one of the trees in the neighborhood, for this removal. There were like three of them. I do not know which tree we are referring to. Each time i come to the hearing, its another tree they are looking at, or trees tesla has a showroom on van ness. This is just a couple of blocks away. That is the real reason here. You go to the show room, get your car, move down a couple of blocks and charges. Secondly, i brought up. Dot two blocks away is puc, they have a charging station outside their building. Again, within a couple of blocks of parking lots under the building, you know, could use these to me how the building on the state building, the state building across the street. You know, they all have parking lots, you just heard about the ordinance that they have to put in these chargers area why pick on this one . You know, like the commissioners have said, you know, you have all of these other one. Im really up that when i start to hear 120 trees, i mean, 120 cars can be charged. Who is going to be there to move these cars so they can have 120 per charged. Theyre going to be taking up more Parking Spaces if you have 120 cars being charged at different location. There is no more issues to be thought out about this permit on how it impacts the neighborhood and the community. Enke. Thank you. My name is michael nolte, i guess you can call me the tree guy, too. I did a site visit before this hearing today on van ness, i mean, on golden gate. You know, just like my brother had said, we saw the postings initially, and we are kinda confused about which trees are going to be removed. It seems to be a moving target in San Francisco. Which trees will be removed, how does the public get to decide, when they come to a meeting, how prepared they can be, because they are not sure which trees are going to be removed until the last minute, if that is even brought up at the meeting. And, you know, i really dont like the idea that this is a social t sta