Were working on is the track brakes. And as soon as i fish, ramona is going to come up here, because shes the expert in that field. Shes the one thats been driving them for quite some time. Another issue that were also trying to address is the mirrors. The lack thereof in terms of having them replaced. The track brakes, in terms of upgrading them and having them installed is not just a shortterm solution, but a longterm solution by saving money in terms of keeping all of these vehicles from breaking down through the flat wheels. Thats, indeed, good news. Id like to break up ramona to give a little more indepth explanation in regards to the track brakes. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for having me here today. Yes. The issue with the track brakes is something that we are pretty much concerned in terms of safety basically. The track basically we might defer in how we see through different lenses. We see track brakes like a secondary a secondary brake on the trains. Currently the l. R. V. 2s and 3s had track brakes in each tracking. And what this does basically is the next train is a failsafe, just in case something happens in a dire situation, where we have to stop. We can apply the track brake and that will maximize the stopping distance. Chair thank you. Just hearing from the operators, its very helpful. How did you like ms. Kishbalms analogy about driving a car on the right side and the left side . Did you agree with that . Im going to buy her a european car tomorrow. Chair thank you for that, roger been that why dont we open up may i, please . Chair im sorry. Basically providing a track brake, it will minimize the impact on having to roll the theres certain things taking place right now on the l. R. V. 4. Whenever the brake is applied, that causes us to have an l. L. R. V. 4 flat wheels. It basically removes one train from the riding public for extended periods of time, due to the fact that we dont have its not repaired in 24 hours. So track brake is something thats a must. Its a must. It has to be. As julie stated before, basically theyre really to retrofit the entire. And we are basically commanding that, because they understand the nature of having to operate equipment on a city word. We have this. We must have all of the tools necessary to stop the train in a timely manner. Thank you. Chair thank you, sir. I have a number of speaker cards on this item, starting with mr. Finebalm, edward mason, eileen broken, robin crop, yvette fernandez. If youll line up in that order to your right, my left. First speaker, please. Bob, president of save muni. When julie showed the metric of 35 vehicles per day in service, and then she tells us that they have 67 vehicles of the new l. R. V. 4s, thats a rather pathetic statistic. What that seems to suggest is less than 50 of the vehicles are in service at any one time. Maybe thats a mistake. I suggest she increase the metric to having at least 50 vehicles in service at any one time. The second point that she made is the new l. R. V. S have a 20 to 25 better record on breakdowns than the bredas. Well, the question that immediately occurs is are they starving the bredas of maintenance . If they are, then obviously any comparison will be favorable to the new l. R. V. 4s. Pilled suggest that this board ask julie to present those statistics about maintenance on the breda system versus maintenance on the l. R. V. 4s. And then finally id like to suggest, and we are going to continue to follow this up with julie, the decoupling of the system. Were talking about the inrout coupling of the new l. R. V. 4s. We havent received the satisfactory answer, as to whether that coupling has been tested and is possible. Thank you. Edward mason. Were looking at a 30year time horizon and strongly recommend that we have an informational workshop on the procurement process thats going on. Seating is an important topic. And there has never been a diagram provided, a topdown diagram to show what the seating arrangement is going to be. And now its complicated by the fact that you have before and after with the see thing arrangement based on the production from siemens. We procured a vehicle thats now 5 feet shorter and a standing capacity that is two additional people per square foot. This is the deal. The standing capacity on the bredas was four people per square yard. On the siemens its six people per square meter. The difference between a yard and a meter is a 3inch. Basically in a square yard and o additional people. That was never really discussed or made resident. Transparent. The specific physician makes a comment that i have to research for measures of men and women. I guess that refers to a mill standard. And how in the heck we got these trains to be up so high. Now were going to lower them, but you cant do it on the left side because of the electronics box. [bell dings] so lets have a full disclosure of what the plan is for the seating arrangement for the comfort of people. We have sacrificed six hours of commute and events for peoples comfort during the rest of the time that the trains are in operation for the additional 20 hours a day. Thank you. Chair thank you, mr. Mason. Ms. Boken. Eileen boken, coalition for San Francisco neighborhoods, here on my own behalf. Earlier this month i was in toronto and ottawa specifically to ride their l. R. V. S. In toronto, i rode both generations by bombardier of caltrain and ottawa i rode alstom of france. Both the bombardier and alstom l. R. V. S are significantly better in quality and the siemens l. R. V. Better in the quality of materials and the quality of workmanship. Both the bombardier and alstom l. R. V. S are significantly better in design. Neither have bench seating. Both have individual seating, which is a combination of both transfers and longitudinal seats. Like the bredalifes, most seats are transverse. In terms of materials, i would urge the board to review the specks. San diego has two generations of siemens l. R. V. S in service. Both have better quality materials than the l. R. V. 4. In terms of workmanship, i would urge the board to recommend that siemens form a consortium. Siemens and alstom were proposing to merge, but the European Union denied the merger, due to concerns about anticompetitiveness. Bombardier and alstom have formed a consortium to produce the montreal l. R. V. S. Thank you. Chair thank you, ms. Crop. Thank you, everyone. Robbin crop with save muni. I want to address plans for the seeking the design for the next l. R. V. S, being that were here and you want to speed up the procurement. First thing i want to say is weed like to see a diagram of all seating arrangements for any rail cars. Second thing id like to say is we have a wider spectrum from people who are healthy to not healthy, people who are young and people who are old. And if we only put four to six single seats in the next 50 rail cars, they may probably fill up embarcadero station, comes to montgomery, nobody is able to get a chance for a seat at all, that includes disabled people and it includes the public that would like a more comfortable ride, especially if theyre going to ride for an hour out to where theyre going to go. So we have 24 to 28 transfer cars in the breeds. My car exchange would be the one thats already in breda and muni right now, which is two transfer seats down one side for a total of 12. And four single transfer seats on the other side for a total of 16. And that creates a 4foot aisle and people seem to stand up really well in that. That provides 16 transfer seats. That would be my preferred seat plan. But minimally to wait for the 101 cars, which are said to have eight to 12 transfer seats, i want to vote for the 12. Eight on one side, four on the other. And its a minimal ask, because that means that half the seats will be transferred and half the seats will be longitudinal. [bell dings] i think thats fair in terms of looking at what we need temperature still i would say a lot of regular public that would like a more comfortable seat will not be able to access their seats. And since i have a few more minutes, i want to remind you all that i did a 100person survey last year, and 400rider survey last spring. Both times 50 50 in terms of liking the 68 new cars or not. So i dealt with the side that didnt. And in the fall, it was three groups. [bell dings] okay. I guess thats it then. Thank you. Chair thank you, ms. Crop. Next next speaker, please. Good afternoon. My yvette fernandez. When i saw the new trains, i was horrified. Youre sitting sideways, like sardines, theres not enough room for people to sit, to pull up on the straps are so high for someone like me. If im bringing a lot of stuff, its like where do i put it. I like the way the seating arrangement is now. I suffer from scoliosis and my kidneys. That kind of seating is so comfortable. I feel if its not broke, why are we fixing it. I dont see how youre fitting more people. I thought there would be longer trains. And people like me need to sit forward. And i dont know how many seating arrangements are you going to put there and like the previous speaker, if its only going to be four or eight, those seats will be taken up on the first stop at embarcadero. So i appreciate if you would reconsider designing these trains to have more seating arrangements. Thank you very much. Chair thank you, ms. Fernandez. Next speaker. Supervisors, i often say that your supervisors who represent for orientation. So are we, the people, satisfied with our transportation . You need to ask this question. Discussing about iknow that think its a very serio pay att. We really have to Pay Attention to the issue at hand. And its very good and i suggested this some time ago, we get the union people here, so that they can speak truth to follow. Theres a lot of b. S. Happening in the board, because you waste the taxpayers money. Its not your money. In fact, yall get paid by the taxpayer, to represent. But you dont do your job. How can you possibly buy trains that do not satisfile neats of the people, especially satisfy the needs of our people, especially the elders. You have no empathy and compassion. Im not saying all of you yall. I know some of you do. Most of you dont. And how much does it cost yall to consult the union. Guys, what do you feel about this. [bell dings] weve had history in the past, the money is set aside for muni and the Police Department used it to buy brandnew cars. I can go on and on and on. Thats for people who chronologically know the history of this city. Your supervisors have to be orientated to know how to do your work properly. Thank you very much. Chair see nothing other members of the Public Commenting, Public Comment is closed. Ms. Kishbalm, as you heard, let me start with, first of all, he appreciate the progress that you have made in 90 days. And i for one think that we do not want to wake up with all of the breda cars failing and we do need to continue to procure replacement vehicles. We have heard a lot, not open doors, not over couplings, thankfully. Not about flat wheels, but actually about the interior design. Butt divots and numbers of human beings per square yard or square meter. Would you like to expound on that to the board. Because part of what you want to go forward with is really in the area of internal design. So i want to hand it back over to you. Thank you. I think its precisely because of that strong feedback on the seating, that we do want to proceed with the long lead time items, the seating being one of them. We are committed to both retrofitting the current vehicles, as well as the replacement vehicles with enhanced seating. That responds to the customer feedback, including forwardfacing seats. So i i did hear the feedback to maximize the number of forwardfacing seats. We are doing that as much as possible and well keep the board briefed on that progress. Chair and just kind of a highlevel comment, i know that we have more things on the agenda and we need to go to the board of supervisors meeting. But do you do focus groups or outreach prior to the first 68vehicle procurement . Thank you. We did do focus groups, as well as a Large Customer survey. But it was a survey that people opted into. When we did the survey, once the vehicles were here and we had some realworld experience, we did an intercept survey. So it was much more randomized. We got overwhelming support of the vehicles. And we even even on the seats, which is the area thats an opportunity for improvement, we still saw more than half of the folks satisfied with the seats. But we think we can do better. That intercept survey was complemented by two focus groups, one for mono lingual chinese speakers, as well as one in english. And both with heavy representation from people with disabilities. So we do think we have a good path forward on the seats. But it is its not insignificant work, which is why we need to get stated. Chair for what its worth, involve Community Stakeholders as much as possible as you go through that design exercise. With that i want to thank you for your continued briefings. We look forward to our next briefing, hopefully in march. And youre staying on that steep curve. Thank you. Chair with that, mr. Clerk, could you please read item number 9 and ms. Stevenson, thank you for your patience. Clerk muni Transit Performance Working Group update. This is an information item. Chair ms. Stevenson. Who is starting . Julie, did you say peg was going to start. Chair peg, the floor is yours. I do not want to truncate this, but as much as you can compress this item, we would appreciate it. And i will be there on the 27th from 10 00 until noon with you. Good morning, supervisors. Im peg stevenson. Im the director of the performance unit in the city controllers office. Were providing Staff Support to the muni reliability working group, which you might have heard a little bit about convened supervisor peskin, supervisor mandelman and the Mayors Office. There are members from a couple of outside transit agencies, los angeles and a. C. Transit. Two experts in system leadership and people with sort of wide experience and managing systems and other parts of the country. Two reps from t. W. U. And three reps from Public Interest organizations that work on transit. Its being chaired by Gwyneth Borden and ed harrington. Well meet six time five times between july and december. Meetings will be open to the public. Well work very hard at transparency, sharing the information and analyses that are provided by m. T. A. And my staff on a website thats been set up for that purpose. Well have smaller meeting in between where were tapping the expertise of the individuals that are on the working group, to come provide some advice and assistance to people lower down in the m. T. A. Structure. We have Peer Research under way. Weve refreshed our analysis of a benchmarking likeness scoring that was done to compare sfmta to transit agencies around the country, in terms of service design, rode share, density, demographics and some other things. So were reaching out to them and looking at a couple of issues in sort of governance and span of control. And types of authority that they have over Street Management and System Design and performance and other issues that will be of interest to the working group. The charge is on the working group website. Its sort of simple to try and use the opportunity access to these experts and stakeholder organizations. To look at muni reliability, identify areas where the agency needs support and provide document which is working advice and support to stakeholders. Yellow jersey ill stop there. Happy to answer any questions. Or make it short. Chair thank you, ms. Stevenson. I do want to note for the record, that commission safai has expressed to myself and the mayor, his interest in joining the work group. So please come on september 27th from 10 00 until noon. These are also open to the general public. To observe. So thank you for that, ms. Kishbalm, anything you wanted to add. At the first meeting, i had an opportunity to lay out both the challenges that i think the system is facing, as well as some of the investments that were making to address those. Its an incredibly helpful to have this panel as a sounding board. I think were going to have some strong feedback out of that. But rather than taking the boards time to go through that presentation today, i think what we most wanted to do today is to have an opportunity to hear any feedback from the larger board, as well as the public. We did a similar hearing at the m. T. A. Board, where folks had an opportunity to give input. But the the muni system is incredible. And its important. Its what drives our economy and its what kicks communities. But it doesnt happen by accident, it happens through thoughtful investments and thoughtful guidance. So i appreciate the sponsors taking the time at this moment to really reflect on whats working well and what we ought to do differently. And i plan to take that feedback very seriously, as we kind of lay out what our three to fiveyear agenda is for the system. Chair thank you, ms. Occasion kishbalm. Are there members of the public who would like to testify on this information item . Miscellaneous crop, please come forward. Mr. Finebalm, please come forward. If there are other individuals, youll follow these two. Hi, robbin crop again. Im actually not sure if my question is pertinent to the item. But ill ask it anyway. Its regarding the muni buses. I cant access the buses. They dont have any transfer seats in the boarding area. I cant stand, no access for me. And so i would like to ask that all of the buses get a couple transfer seats put in them. The other half have them. Its like two, three, four, five or more. So i think it wouldnt be a bad thing to put in a couple transfer seats in all of the buses, so those of us who need a transfer seat can sit in one. If i need to get my back is already out goinged to chiropractorrer. I out going to the chiropractor. Thats really not a good way to ride oop. I dont have a seat. And i would really like to have a couple transfer seats put in all of the buses, so we can access them. Thank you. Chair thank you, ms. Crop. And i can see sfmta staff listening to your comments and suggestions. Mr. Finebalm. Im bob finebalm, president of save muni. For those who havent heard of us, im president of save muni. We are a transportation advocacy organization. Weve been working for better muni service for the part of a decade. We are a transportation think tank. Weve been working on policy issues for much of that time. Were mystified as to why our organization has been excluded from membership on this task force. Im not clear who exactly has appointed the task force. But we have asked both supervisors peskin and mandelman, as well as the Mayors Office for inclusion on this group. We have members who have decade