With air Quality Management. She might be able to, gabriela. So part of the concern from the neighbors is the method they are going to abate the fumes that are going to be. So with the air quality staff member, the difference between what they are providing and what the bay area air quality actually identifies as being an abatement system is essentially the method. One method that the air quality Staff Members identify and give points for abating is one where they are doing thermal they break the parols down to essentially water. Whereas their method the vortex they are referring to and that they have already is a different method where they are using speed to break down the particles. But in that case, the barrier air quality is saying they do not identify that as being an abatement so no points are given to them if that makes sense. Interesting. Okay. So i dont see anything in front of us as a dr request as extraordinary. Its a business thats going into a urban area near schools. And we see this all the time. I think the question for me from the requester is about whether there are proper mitigations for the activity. And that is totally not in our per view. So we dont have jurisdiction over air quality. And i trust that the bay area air Quality Management board does. They are the experts. And they set the standards. And so i will be supporting this project. Commissioner fung. Im going to take the opposite path. Because if the bay area air quality board is not given this system, the same smoke abatement capabilities as the other one then, you know the fact that they already bought the system i think is a separate issue. I understand its a financial issue. But im also leaning then, toward being conservative on these things and not seeing future appeals on this issue. Commissioner johnson. Would you mind coming up and just clarifying that last point that you made . So theres the scoring or point system. And they give extra points for one type of system but both systems abate the smoke issues, correct . Correct yes. So coffee roasting, the bay area air quality, what they analyzed and identified to me is there are certain levels of air pollutants that they allow to be put into the air. A certain stage those air pollutants become harmful and the way they test is done through various studies. And those air pollutants reach a threshold and the way they are tested is as the most sensitive body activity, for people who have asthma and all that, they take those conditions into consideration they analyze those and come up with these thresholds. At those thresholds they analyze things like the Coffee Roaster. They analyze if you are going to roast this amount of tons of coffee, what does that mean in terms of air pollutant. They have certain thresholds. If your Coffee Roaster falls below the flesh holds they are saying theres not going to be any significant harm to the population of the area. They do allow you like say you go over that, there are methods you can reduce those one of them being you have this thermal system the abatement system and the other one being as identified the system that cycles the whole thing and breaks it down into particles. The system the bay area air quality identifies and gives points to but thats not they have studied to say that makes sense well give points to that kind of system. If that makes sense. To clarify, you are saying they dont give points to it because they havent studied it . Thats one method they havent really looked at so they are saying the only one we identify and give points to is the one that uses the thermal system. And thats the afterburner thats been discussed . Yes. So the other system the proposer is proposing to you is a system they havent tested yet. Yes. Have they commented . So im a little confuse ed. Also explain the volume change. Because they initially came in with the intent to roast a much larger volume air Quality Management had them reduce it to what is a. 5tons per day. Yes. That came as a result of the mediation that happened in terms of how much of the coffee roasting are they going to do, how many hours theyll do. The final numbers we got theyll reach, if at that, theyll be at the 33 percent of the 90 percent they are allowed to throw out there. Okay. So thats to me, the important point. Because i feel like i dont want to go off on the tangent of equipment. I just want to know did the air quality board assess this activity and did they say that under what they have, it is safe . Yes, it is, yes. They did a preliminary study. They cant issue the permit yet because of the land use, which is why this process has to happen first before the bay area air quality can give them the permit to roast. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner fung. I dont know how we become an expert on coffee roasting. And i understand that its tied to the land use issue, which is the i dont think anybody here is against the coffee operation by itself. But in terms of the roaster is the same issue. Im still leaning against it. And but i am willing to consider a continuance if the parties can get together and mutually decide certain things, then i may consider that. So this is a discretionary review not a conditional use authorization. Commissioner koppel. How so exactly . Permitted use outside of the request for discretionary review so you have to have four votes to take discretionary review to deny the project right . Otherwise it gets approved. So tonight would need a unanimous vote in order to deny the project or take the dr and impose additional conditions. Youre saying i cannot make a motion to continue . You can make a motion to continue. You can certainly continue the matter. Ill make a motion to continue. Ill second that. Very good commissioners. How long . Not long . You want to go to. Commissioner johnson . I am just concerned that there are not clear directions for the continuance and well be in the exact same position in a few weeks. But we may have more commissioners. So im not in favor of a continuance. So i guess we can. Your next available hearing date is probably november 14th. Theres no way we can condition the project sponsor to use a certain roaster is there . I mean, the attorney is not here but i dont see why you couldnt. We have to continue if that were the standard. I disagree. So ill just say i think that this is not within this is not within our purview. I think we are not qualified to be assessing air quality standards. I also, you know what weighs on me is its really difficult for Small Businesses in San Francisco. We have been talking about this for years, you know, when somebody finds a Business Model has bought the equipment has worked with the neighborhood, has done all the things that they are supposed to have gone through, the air Quality Management board and it sits before us, i feel like they should get a decision from us. I dont agree with continuing it. And i also just agree that we would force them to disagree that we would force them to use that piece of equipment that is not required and where the activities have already been assessed as meeting the standard. So november 14. Commissioner koppel. I was going to make a motion to approve it with the condition they use the whats it called . The afterburner. Can we do that. Because im not as concerned with the details of it but im concerned with being neighborly and acknowledging the request of the neighbors. Commissioner johnson. I would just feel more comfortable if that is the direction but i feel like we would need to consult the City Attorney. So i would suggest a continuance. So november 14th . However, i would also say that i agree my voice i agree with president melgar that this is beyond the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission and as a land use, i think its appropriate. Just one more question. Im not trying to get everybody to be an expert on air quality. I do think that is beyond the scope of what we normally do. But my understanding is the reason the air quality district signed off is because of the volumes that are now proposed. So if youre in a situation where they had higher volumes i could see the air quality district saying you need to do a different type of approach. But what they said is because the lower amount of volume emits only x amount, they seem comfortable with it just like it was a car or any business that had emissions. Thats right. And that was true prior to them mediating and reducing the amount they were going to roast. If it goes back to exposure. And i think the notion its about how much of something theres always a certain amount of bad stuff that gets emitted from certain types of projects. They said as long as you dont exceed this amount, we are okay. And thats why they signed off is my understanding. Commissioner fung. Last comment. I understand that the issue of dilution in terms of exhaust. Weve done a lot of dsl4 which is the highest containment facilities possible. And there are a number of things, the question is what bothered me was that sometimes which you dont want in the air is not based upon how much. I think thats a very poor standard. In other words, theyre saying that if you only do this much then its not going to create any damage. Thats possible. But its not necessarily the best standard. Okay. So we now have the City Attorney who ran over here from her office. We should vote on the continuance because i dont think its going to go. Okay. Lets vote on the continuance. There is a motion that has been seconded to continue this matter to november 14. On that motion fung . Aye. Johnson. No. Koppel. Aye. Melgar. No. The motion fails two to two with commissioners johnson and melgar voting against. Is there an alternate motion . So i see that City Attorney stacey is here. And so the question that commissioner johnson has, you want to restate it commissioner johnson . Well, i think there was a potential motion to require specific type of abatement related to the roaster. That would be included in a motion of approval. And a question about whether or not that is something that we could do. President melgar, the City Attorneys office. I will try to be helpful here. What i understand is that the air quality district did sign off on the activities with certain type of protective Devices Installed is that correct . Mr. Washington. Yes. They were signed off. But it was essentially the volume that they would be roasting. So they reduced the volume that would be done onsite not to exceed a certain amount that would be permissible. And the Commission Even with that reduced volume, the commission may be interested in applying an Additional Air quality measure beyond what the bay area air Quality Management district approved . Yes, that is the question. Commissioners i know there is some preemption of local ability to impose certain kinds of air quality measures. I dont know the full range of what locally we would be preempted from doing. I am wondering if theres a more general condition that would work short of requiring a specific type of measure so that it would either give us time to look at what the city could do or what might be necessary or, again a continuance to allow us to look at that issue more specifically. There is some preemption under state law. I just dont know the full range off the top of my head of what is preempted locally. Okay. So weve been requested a small break since we are down to the four of us. I think maybe do you want to make your motion again . You cant make a motion again . For something else, right . My original question is if i can make a motion to approve with the condition they use that specific roaster. The answer is no . Thats fine. When we voted on the continuance, it was before the City Attorney came and gave her opinion. And thats changed my vote that i think that if we come back with guidance of what exactly it is that we can and cannot do, i think it will be different. Is there. Motion to continue. Second. November 14th. On that motion to continue to november 14th, commissioner fung. Aye. Johnson. Aye. Koppel. Aye. Melgar. Aye. So moved. The motion passes unanimously 40. We are now adjourned. 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[ ] welcome to the epic center did you know that many buildings in San Francisco are not bolted to the foundation on todays episode well learn how the option to bolt our foundation in an earthquake. Hi, everybody welcome to another episode of stay safe im the director of earthquake safety in the city and county of San Francisco im joined by a friend matt. Thank you thanks for being with us were in a garage but at the el cap center south of market in San Francisco what weve done a simulated the garage to show you what it is like to make the improvements and reduce the reflexes of earthquake were looking at Foundation Bolts what do they do. The Foundation Bolts are one of the strengthening system they hold the lowest piece of wood onto the foundation that prevents the allows from sliding during an earthquake that is a bolt over the original construction and these are typically put in along the foundation to secure the house to the Foundation One of the things well show you many types of bolts lets go outside and show the vufrdz were outside the epic center in downtown San Francisco well show 3 different types of bolts we have a e poxy anchor. It is a type of anchor that is adhesive and this is a rod well embed both the awe hey that embeds it into the foundation that will flip over a big square washer so it secured the mud sell to the foundation well need to big drill luckily we have peter from the company that will help us drill the first hole. So, now we have the hole drilled ill stick the bolt in and e postoffice box it. That wouldnt be a bad idea but the dust will prevent the e postoffice box from bonding we need to clean the hole out first. So, now we have properly cleaned hole whats the next step. The next step to use e postoffice box 2 consultants that mixes this together and get them into tubes and put a notice he will into the hole and put the e postoffice box slowly and have a hole with e postoffice box. Now it is important to worm or remember when you bolt our own foundation you have to go to 9 department of building inspection and get a permit before you start what should we look at next what i did next bolt. A couple of anchors that expand and we can try to next that will take a hole that hole is drilled slightly larger marathon the anchor size for the e postoffice box to flow around the anchor and at expansion is going into the hole the same dinning room well switch theameter well switch the holes so, now we have the second hole drilled what next. This is the anchor and this one has hard and Steel Threads that cuts their way into the concrete it is a ti ton anchor with the same large square so similar this didnt require e postoffice box. Thats correct you dont needed for the e postoffice box to adhere overnight it will stick more easily. And so, now it is good to go is that it. Thats it. The third anchor is a universal Foundation Plate when you dont have room above our foundation to drill from the top. So, now we have our Foundation Plate and the tightened screw a couple of ways to take care of a foundation whats the best. The best one depends on what your house is like and our contractors experience theyre sometimes considered the cadillac anchor and triplely instead of not witting for the e postoffice box this is essentially to use when you dont have the overhead for the foundation it really depends on the contractor and engineering what they prefer. Talking to a qualified professional and see what item number one roll call. roll call . Item number 2. General Public Comment. Members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commissions jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. Speakers sh