We will have this chamber be a place where presenters can make a presentation and where members of the board can deliberate. We ask that folks sit down, if you could. Great. So where were we . Supervisor h araine . Y . In terms of the third option that was announced yesterday, do you have cap you provid ca sense of what that will involve and what the process is around that . I mean, if were talking about a new facility that is unclear what would be opening in 2030, what will happen between now and then . My understanding is if the hall of justice is closed and the count is where it is now, that well have to have some place for people go. Will you make that decision . What role will we have . A contract would come your way to approve. Part of what i was hoping to have is more of an indepth discussion of what the immediate next steps will be . So are you involved directly in coming up with what that plan will be or do you expect that will be the sheriffs view . This was announced yesterday and i dont think theres a lot of discussion about that. I had preliminary discussions with the mayor who mentioned that she was headed in that direction and then the announcement came yesterday. And do you believe that the mayors understanding is that these individuals incarcerated in county jail four will be sent to Alameda County . I believe she believes thats the most likely alternative but there are no others, that im aware of. Supervisor walton . Thank you so much for your presentation. As i look at your last slide, i appreciate the focus in terms of of Mental Health, substance abuse, housing to increase capacity to include those exiting from jail because we know people with stable homes, people with stable jobs, people with stable families and support system are lets likely to reohh fenreoffend or offend in the fit place. As i look at the said you said something in the beginning of your comments that i just want to say that i disagree but you said theres no appetite to build a new facility. Thats not the case. Theres no an appetite to builda new one and a new jail. Thats where the discrepancy is. Go ahead, im sorry. And im also struggling with the statement of, theres a bunch of problems i programs inm pertaining to 850. As you know, theres a linear jail and one place, and the space isnt that big. Its small. One place where anybody can go to have any type of programming. So that does not apply when we talk about 850. My question is this, because i know that the department wasnt necessarily excited about 2015 and the plan and the no new jail mantra, because other folks are focused on what we can do more in line with the safety and justice challenge, but i see from yesterdays coincident, 222 bids in the system and that doesnt count the available bids and jail number four. If we focus on a rehabilitative motto and changes and 222 bids right now and not counting the bids in 850, why hasnt there been a focus on what else you can do focus on coming up with a strategy that we have to send folks out of county . I think that youre mischaracterizing some of what we have been doing. Weve been doing our best to get people out of our jails. Weve been doing electronic monitoring so that the judges would agree to let more people out of jail. So we are doing a lot to get people out and there programs at county jail. When you visited, there was a Behavioral Health pod in the area and since then weve closed that and moved that to county jail five and now a roads to recovery is out of the county jail four. Its not perfect but we do what we span therwhatwe can. Theres a gym now and thats one of the best things and youre right, its difficult to do quality programs at that location. But we haves childparent visiting. My question was specific to i havent mischaracterized anything because i agree were doing a lot of things that keep people from reoffending but with 222 Spaces Available from yesterdays count, not counting the available bids at county jail number four, knowing that the safety and what is it, safety and justice challenge. Justice challenge is in place and there goes with what their plans are. Why is the only focus on closure of the jail including outofcounty placement . Well, 220 beds is the issue. When you look at the beds. If some are vacant in the womens jail, we cant sell those. We can make sure were putting people together who need to be together. Its not like a hotel. We dont treat it like a hotel or put anybody in with anybody. We make sure were putting people together that will get along or be safe. I think we have a good safety record. So when you look at the jail count, remember, theres a 10 to 15 classification variable. Im look at that and understanding the variables and the goal of maybe opening up 280 more spaces in terms of keeping people from coming back. We have 1300 in the jail everyday and down to a 1,000 and if we do things right and in accordance with that plan. But with that said, why are we not focused on coming up with a better plan than sending folks out of county . I dont have a better plan, supervisor. I think that weve looked around. We have plenty of programs in other places. We have ro robust release polic, alternatives to incarceration but the judges are the people who put people in jail and people people in jail, not the sheriff. My hope and my plan is that we work on a better plan than whats been put in front of us, because there are things that we can do differently and so i hope as we move forward there is a better plan versus crossing our arms and saying we didnt get what we wanted in 2015 and well keep bringing that up. I think thats fair to say im crossing my arms and saying that, dinne since i worked diliy on the plan and did as much as i could. One of the reasons we did so many out today is because of the work the sheriff did to make that happen. I wouldnt take that personally. I wont. But we need a better alternative, in my opinion. I think whoever the number sheriff is will be welcomed to work with anybody if theres a plan. I would say i hope the safety and justice talents could make headway but as james austin said, he said weve done what we can do and these are the two areas we need to look at and well be looking at them. The Sheriffs Department is also a part of that process. And i do want to just end on this note and say, thank you so much for your work. I do appreciate your leadership and i just want you to know i want whats best for the folks in 850 and that goes for the employees, with People Housing the jail and i just think we can do much better coming up with an alternative to what exists right now. Supervisor furer. Is supervisor morrow here . I would like to call him up. Thank you, sheriff. So as i mentioned earlier in this conversation, is that i am looking at the success of triall services an an alternative to incarceration and speaking about how to expand it. So i want to ask basic questions and forgive me for not knowing this. At the next court date, our staff will provide a written report to the judges and then we make a decision at that point. Do you make a recommendation . We give the judges information and they can determine the next step. Do you know the number of people that actually are remanded back to incarceration . No, but were work on that right now for you. I think that would be helpful. You know, i am wondering how many people are eligible for a second look program. Meaning that maybe those that we might have thought doesnt meet the initial requirements or special for pretrial, but maybe people with a little bit more support or more resources could be successful in this program. Could you talk about that . From our perspective, i dont think theres anybody that shouldnt be eligible for a second look. There are always opportunities to connect them with more resources, more programs and our perspective on a second look, we get to spend more time and dig deeper into their needs and look at the community of resources that are available and then our staff will design a treatment plan thats again presented to the judge, so in my opinion, i think everyone should be afforded that opportunity. The question is, what resources are available at the other end . You know, our current Referral Program operates as a second look and one of the biggest challenges, we get to a point that we send a treatment plan to the judge but if theres not a bed available or a Space Available theyre going to remain in jail. So a lot of the conversation comes back to what weve been talking about ad ad nauseum. We focus on the other han focusi population, theres a 24yearold population is a big bulk and having much experience working in the community with adults in that age range, theres a lack of programming. We have to invest in resources on the outside and make sure theres a plan for transition out of detention into the community. And one other option we thought about is on our caseload, once someones case is disposed, we lose contact with them. We do a handoff to a community provider, but almost in a workforce model is to have an Aftercare Program where were tracking people into the community and our connected with programs so that we and assure their success. One thing to look at is the First Quarter of 2019, we had a 96 Public Safety rate. So 96 of the people that were on our caseload did not commit another crime. So thats an important stat to look at in the sense that its working. If we have more Community Capacity and more connection between detention is community, i think we can do a better job to decrease the jail population. And so, in your estimation, youve been doing this a long time, that i think our paths crossed over a decade ago. So i wanted to ask you, in your opinion, how many more people do you think we might be able to capture through a secondlook program . Youre putting me on the spot here. [ laughter ] im just asking because i dont think anyone else in this room has the level of expertise as you do because youve been doing pretrial for so long. If you dont want to answer, you dont have to. I know im putting you on the spot and to say a number is maybe unfair, but what i want to get to, what impact do you think it will have on our jail population to have a second look . I think that this has been discussed around Additional Resources and supports, as you say. I also think that many times we dont take into account Employment Opportunities after incarceration or arrests and so wondering how to fit these pieces together and not working in a silo but working with other groups. I agree, that i dont think it should be a warm handoff. I think there should be a followthrough. Because you think, also, the data we collect about this, the more we know, the more we can do. I just think that why arent people successful in in . This . What does it take to bring people back in society and be productive in society . What are the barriers and what are the challenges . And what responsibility is it of our own government, City Government to actually provide i mean, to provide some supports but also to meet some of these challenges with additional supports or man times i think what we do is we invest in things so we can have a ton of programs but when you see the impact of the programs and you see people returning to incarceration like this, you have to ask yourself, what are these programs working . What is the impact of these programs that we see year after year after year . When i look at the pretrial success but maybe how to expand this to have a greater success on a greater pool of people. I think one of the beauties of this process is we have a finite number of 313 people and thats a finite number of people that we could do a second look for every one of them and dig into and determine their needs. So its not this number thats unattainable in our opinion. I think at the conclusion of the jail reenvisioning process, we made recommendations about next steps related to sf pretrial and at that point, we estimated 200, could be up to 300 people released through a secondlook process. But that has changed. When you look at the individuals released at set pretrial, the severity of their cases and acuity of their needs has increased since that time and we have to take that into account. I think 200 is a reasonable number, but to answer your question, i mean, its really about us getting more creative as a city. Our paths have crossed, supervisor walton and i, our paths have crossed and looking at unique alternatives. For example, most of my experience with kind of 25 to 45yearold arch grou age groupm a business i helped to build in public housing. That it was off the beaten path and we werent able to get city funding because it didnt fit, but those alternatives are important and those kind of not quite as young men now own and run that business. I think those are alternatives that are city can explore to help fill the gap and the needs of not Everyone Needs a bed and not Everyone Needs deep intense treatment but Everyone Needs that hope and dignity so that when they come out, theres something to look forward to. So San Francisco is fortunate to have a wealth of programs. You agree theyre not all effective and i would sit in a funding seat and we had to make tough decisions about who did and didnt make money. We support each other and we can help the programs not as effective with accountability and with the support of getting everything leverage with a pretrial case manager, working with a case manager and if we combine resources, i dont think theres anything stopping us. But its a matter of who will steer the ship and thats one of the challenges, is that theres no one in charge of all of the moving pieces and helping us to put them in place so that theyre effective and focusing on the needs of the people that need them the most. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I think that i may follow up with yo you, actually, for more data. Im sorry i have to leave. I have a meeting with the Police Department but i wanted to just mention, also, that the thought of sending some of our folks to ritas is frightening and the latest reports about the suicides and the deaths there, the lack of programming, the lack of support, there is just frightening to think that we would send people to that facility. I dont think its in the best interests of our people who are in incarcerated and not in the best interests of their families. Not just that were separating them from their families, but look at the number of suicides and deaths there and that should give us pause. Im trying to look at the total system to see where we can reduce the numbers so we dont have to send those folks out to santa riha, becausta because tht the facilities that safe for our folks incarcerated. Thank you. And we agree. [cheers and applause] thank you, supervisor furr. Supervisor hainey. Any other questions for the sheriff. Thank you. My original questions were specific to the presentation. I do have a few more and this one is specific holds. To what . Holds. Ok. So my understanding is that the Sheriffs Department used to provide the Public Defenders Office with hold information at arraignment so attorneys can work on lifting holds pretty quickly. Im not understanding why they would need us to give them a list but our person in Legal Services works on that, as well, trying to get holds lifted from other counties. I though we have a public defender in the audience. Danielle, did you want to speak on that. Is that accurate . If you can address the panel, please come to the microphone so everyone can hear you. And identify yourself once youre at the mic. Im danielle harris, director the Public Policy with the public defensors office since 11999 and on each new arraignmet we would get through the Sheriffs Department through the bailiffs the hold information on each client. That stopped at some point and i was not privy to why that change was made and that was one of the recommendations that came out of the 2016 reenvisioning working group, was that it be reinstituted and it has not been. Thank you, miss harris. I honestly dont remember that, but here is what i think happened. We used to keep the calendars in court and we dont do that any more and we had those lists of holds, but the fact is that the public defender gets a copy of the psa and the holds are in that. Is there a way to make that process i think we should talk offline to figure that out. I mean, we dont have a magic hold list, either. So we can figure that out. Thank you. Are we monitoring 48hour regulations and relationing those folks . Yes, pretrial is doing that for us. Do we have im sorry, the 48hour count for the probable cause statement . Yes. Yeah. And then for all of the holds that we have right now, do we know how many are citeable, because it could be the case they fall within the citable category . If the holds are citable, we will cite them with the charges. Yesterday we were at 95 capacity and the count fluctuates back and forth and for example, in august of last year, we had 1405 people in custody and that was unusual and high. So thats why i tell you thats another issue that we have with the vacancy rate. Sometimes well have a cell because we have dormitories and there might be beds there, that is another reason. So theres lots of Different Things to play into this to try our best to keep people safe. So yesterday as count was 95 . Because im looking at thats one thing i have in front of me during this hearing and thats not what the numbers are. So what was the count yesterday. The custody in total at 1255 and total beds at 1506. I see. Lets look at that more closely, then. Thank you. Thank you, sheriff hennessey. We agree that we wish this would have been dealt with and i know that you have put a lot of energy into it and obviously you will continue to be involved in the next couple of months, as well, and, of course, your successor will be closely involved, as well. So thank you for your presentation and being here in person. Thank you for having the hearing and thank you for your questions. I appreciate them. I just want to make it clear that i do think its important to have the services that we need on the outside to keep people from coming to jail. I think its important to have the services we need inside the jail to help people not come back to jail and anything we can do to increase