Praying always that there should be an implementation for this. Thank you. And congratulations to all of us. Thank you for your testimony. Next speaker, please. Mr. Peterson. Thank you. Good evening supervisors. My name is christopher peterson. I strongly support finding new sources of revenue to fund Affordable Housing. Sounds like a substantial increase and this fee is appropriate. Im agnostic about what the exact amount should be. But i do think theres one factor that i havent heard discussed in this process. That its important for this and should be just a routine component of the analysis of other similar significant measures, which is Climate Change. This proposed fee increase potentially could play a beneficial role in the citys response for example by increasing supply of Affordable Housing in the city. It could potentially have negative consequences if its driving Office Developments to more automobileoriented areas areas that have more extreme climates that have Greater Energy demands. So, it can play out in different ways. And i think for this proposed ordinance and other similar kinds of actions the city really should be explicitly engaging in analysis of the complicated ways in which these kinds of measures can affect the citys Climate Change response. Thank you. Thank you sir. Next speaker please. Thank you supervisors. John calvin here. We represent a number of Office Project sponsors throughout the city. Just wanted to make a couple points. The committee got into this earlier the fact that the feasibility document really is a legal document, not a policy document. Again the supervisors, you are aware of this already. You mean the nexus document is the legal document the feasibility document is not. Thank you supervisor peskin. I appreciate that. In that it makes an assumption that all of the workers that are going to fill these new jobs in Office Development live in the of San Francisco. Now, this is based on a 1987 law, the mitigation fee act, as well as Court Decisions since then. It is a legal limit as to what a city is legally allowed to increase. Because of course it wouldnt make any sense to mitigate beyond what the actual impact within the citys borders are. So it checks the legal box but it doesnt speak to the issue of feasibility. Its not a practical reality. We know all these people are not going to be living in San Francisco. And its not something we want to achieve. This is a regional economy. This is a regional you are focused on regional transit. We dont want everyone working and living necessarily in the same city. And because we are sitting on the highest density transit probably in the country, it makes sense that we are depending on the entire region. And because of a lot thats going on with the state, we have more tools to make that more equitable from city to city. So really the key is here and supervisor haney to your credit, the reason we are talking about a 40 fee and not 200 fee is feasibility is the key. And there are trade offs in terms of increasing this fee and resulting in any feasibility, which is that there is an Office Crisis right now too. We have nonprofits that cant find space in the city Small Businesses professional services moving out of the city so there are consequences both ways. And thats why we appreciate the amendments. We appreciate some additional time to consider this to make sure we get the numbers right. So thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good evening. My name is maya and i work at the counsel of Community Housing organizations. I shared this story earlier at the rally before the hearings. I wanted to share it again. So before i started working at the the counsel i was offered a job after college at a Public Relations firm on Market Street downtown. It was a good first job. But i couldnt find an affordable place to live. I was so desperate that i ended up moving into a place in chinatown where i was paying more than half of my income per month in rent. I lived with seven other people in a 10 by 10 closet with no windows but a shaft. And i was eating unhealthy because i was buying microwaved food to save money. And i was really barely hanging on. The reason i stayed is because i didnt want to leave the city. And i really wanted to make a place for myself here. And i know i was fortunate and the reality is that so many people cant even afford any place to live. But its important to recognize that this Affordable Housing shortage affects people of all walks of life, even everyday workers in the downtown like i was, and so many others. And people are choosing to live in unhealthy situations because thats all they can find. So i choose San Francisco. And i want others to get the chance to choose San Francisco too and find work here and be part of this Community Without having to sacrifice their health or their stability because of a lack of Affordable Housing. So please support supervisor haneys legislation. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good evening, supervisors. With the counsel of Community Housing organizations. The report that is part of this discussion that supervisor mar had done had a list of new jobs created in San Francisco between 2010 and 2017. I want you to picture some of those workers. Ill name a few. Software developers. You picture software developer. How about a personal and Domestic Worker . How about a Food Service Worker . Since 2010, the city brought in 16,000 new or 13,000 new Software Developers, 26,000 new personal and Domestic Workers. 7,000 new federal Service WorkersFood Service Workers. The previous speaker said workers dont have to all live in the city. And the previous speaker said we dont want all workers to live in the city. But the report showed that we, the economy of San Francisco want Software Developers to live in the city, because they can afford it. And we, the economy of San Francisco does not want Domestic Workers to live in the city and does not want Food Service Workers to live in the city and doesnt want our uber and lyft drivers to live in the city and doesnt want our social Service Workers to live in the city and doesnt want our repair and maintenance workers to live in the city, doesnt want our construction workers to live in the city where they work. That is why we need this legislation. That is why we need this fee. And thats why we need to have it passed as quickly as possible so we can start housing our workers. Thank you. Are there any other members of the public who would like to speak to item 6 and or 7 . Seeing none, well close Public Comment. I want to thank all the individuals who came out for Public Comment and thank the budget analyst and supervisor mar for the earlier presentation as well as supervisor haney. And before i turn it over to supervisor haney, i would like to make a few highlevel observations. One of them is that this reminds me a little bit of the inclusionary housing conversation that we had a few years ago. So at the dawn of the 20th century, then supervisor leto created the first inclusionary housing law at 10 percent for onsite below market rate units on the condo side and the apartment side at 10 percent. And that was meant to be a dynamic law. And it changed over time as Market Conditions changed. And as i said like a broken record, the city and its leaders, i would like to blame myself because i made many mistakes, but i was not on the board at that time. And the mayor at that time went and the number and charter and gave it a 20 percent haircut which may have been the right thing to do because it was in the middle of the great recession. But it stayed at that rate in the charter and could not be changed by the board of supervisors. And when i first got elected in 2015, we went to the voters and took it out and we now have the dynamic not static inclusionary law that we have today. And supervisor safai and then supervisor breed and supervisor kim and i with expert advice, like the kind of advice that comes from ted eagan whether he had depicted his slides in language we like or not, all came together and did something that allowed new Housing Starts with what we believe is the maximum feasible amount of inclusionary housing. But there was a huge fight around that. And the fight was that between 2012 when that got in the charter and 2016 when we finally changed the law, there were a bunch of developers who got a huge, huge gift. And the same thing is true here. Now, not all those developers are still in town. But the reality is between 1997, at the height of the office boom through today and by the way, i have sat down with a bunch of developers Office Developers, and none of them are screaming bloody murder at the rates that supervisor haney has proposed. They may scream bloody murder if our Economic Cycle cycles down, and it will inevitably cycle down. But none of them are screaming bloody murder about it. And a lot of them got away with murder. They made huge profits huge profits, because we should have actually indexed that fee in 1997 and done subsequent nexus studies along the way. And we would have a lot more Affordable Housing to show for it in the same way that an inclusionary, we missed the boat on thousands of units of more Affordable Housing. And so as i wrestle with this, because i actually am worried about not raising it to a point where new office starts become infeasible. So for the sweet spot i think its very important and giving the market some predictability and stability is also important. Because when the market can plan for it, which is exactly what we did in inclusionary. In inclusionary we actually said, hey everybody, we are not going to mess with this every year. We are going to actually give you something that you and the market as market rate Housing Developers are going to be able to predict over time. And by the way if theres a huge economic downturn, we can adjust accordingly and appropriately. I think that is the model that is right for all fees where you are trying to mitigate an impact and where people have to pay their fair share. But it should be understood that a huge amount of money has been made. I was given my friend carl shannon a long time but let me tell you, tissueman is still in this market because tishman has done well at infinity and other buildings. And theyre going to do well in the market as are the other big five market developers. Oz of today it has been crickets. I defy supervisor safai and supervisor haney and supervisor mar. Im a pretty accessible supervisor. I have heard virtually nothing until today about requests for continuance. And lets be real, this was introduced in may. I dont think many Office Developers with a straight face can say that this is too high. And i do want to say relative to what supervisor haney has introduced in terms of phasing things in and giving that level of stability and predictability that he has met folks halfway. So and let me just say if it turns out that nobody is building new office, we can adjust accordingly. But as mr. Eagan said instead of building 500,000 square feet, you are going to build 350,000 square feet a year. That somehow is not the end of the world for me. So with that ill turn it over to supervisor haney. Supervisor safai. You want to go last, right . Okay. So i want to just add on a little bit to what supervisor peskin has said. And first i want to start by saying i really appreciate supervisor haney bringing this conversation forward and the amendments and focuses that hes made in terms of how this money would be spent, focusing on acquisition of rental housing, focusing on small sites and raising the cap on that. Focusing on Supportive Housing for the first time. These are all really really important things. I dont think theres disagreement at all with anybody in this room or even the full board that the fee should be increased. I think the conversation now is really about, and i appreciate supervisor peskin referencing the inclusionary housing. Because i think it is a great parallel. We had not updated that, supervisor, i think in 15 years. Is that correct . Yeah. So the inclusionary housing. So about 15 years. And there had been conversations and gone to the ballot. And they had made some adjustments on that. But we had not essentially made significant updates to that for about 15 years. And we spent about almost a year, theres some members in the room that worked on that with us. We had multiple conversations. We had the controller and ted eagans group in there and Community Organizations and representatives from lay bore and members of the board. There was a diverse Cross Section of people. And i think it took us almost a year to get that done. And there was a significant amount of continuances and amendments made. And i think in the end we got it right to the point where that number goes up and we have the ability to readjust. I think that what i still feel a little uncomfortable with here is the level of analysis thats done in terms of what actually is feasible. And as supervisor peskin said, a little bit worried about a number that goes up that does not necessarily correlate into new Office Development then and hence does not correlate into new jobs housing and linkage fees that then go into Affordable Housing. So im a little concerned about that. I do appreciate what supervisor haney has done where theres a tiered system. But when i hear from some of the larger groups in the room but also the Planning Department the Planning Department had made a recommendation at just under 39 in terms of where they thought the number should go to. So i still think theres and i think supervisor haney i understand kateed indicated the only group we did hear from in advance was the building trades. There was concerns from organized labor. But youre right in terms of significant outreach, it was not a significant amount done prior to today. But there was a good chorus of people that asked for a small continuance. I also want to say positively those groups have said on the record that they are open to the fee the number going up. And they believe it should go up. And i think thats a positive sign. So im a little bit concerned about the final number. But i am 100 percent in support of raising that number. And im 100 percent in support of raising the number to create more Affordable Housing. Thank you supervisor safai. Before i hand it over to supervisor haney is there anything you want to say . You are sitting there like you want to Say Something. Youve been here all evening. We know that your Commission Recommended this to us unanimously. That has been mentioned repeatedly, which is actually interesting because you have a commission that you are leading that has members who are pointed by different members and different board president s and they support supervisor haneys legislation on i think it was a 6 to 0 vote. But the floor is yours. Sorry for the pained face. Its been a couple hours sitting in wooden chairs. I wanted to clarify the commission did hear this and recommend to vote approval. The departments position is for approval even though staff originally recommended for the 39. So our official position is from. Can you talk about that . We havent gotten that on the record . No, its all in the record. It is right here until the. And staffs recommendation is clear. And the commissions recommendation to this body is clear. But for supervisor safai who may have not read the fine print. He just said it. He said staff recommended 39 but they readjusted their position and now support the commission. I just want to make that clear. But what was the basis for your original 39 . We based it on the feasibility study, make sure i get the term right which had that as the number, and thats part of our. This is a perfect segue. Do you have anything else you want to say . I dont want to cut you off. Thank you for putting that on the record, mr. Star. I want to Say Something about the eps report. And i know eps and i respect them, i respect kaiser who did the nexus report. But i have to say is you read these reports and look at the different models, i would say this to Department Heads who come here, and they show us their performance metrics during the budget season. And it turns out that the metric is we are going to answer all of our 911 calls within x seconds, y percent of the time. And they tell you that they perfectly hit it at 90 percent. Not 91 percent, not 93 percent. And you know that the number is made up. Okay . So when eps says the sweet spot, after all this analysis and all these pages of all these graphs and the key operating development of costs and land cost assumptions is 10 as an earlier speaker said, and i say this respectfully, we know its bull shit. Because its not 9. 27, its 10. You know what that is . Thats spit balancing stuff. So i take that with a huge grain of salt. The name of the game is you hire consultants. Developers are doing this for profit. Thats the motive. And theyve got to keep their costs down. And i get that. If you make costs too high, you make development infeasible and you make things for expensive. But i do have to take that with a grain of salt when it says 10. And apparently the Planning Commission took that with a grain of salt when they rejected staffs recommendation which is based on respectfully regurgitating the eps report. And thats what happened as far as the supervisor is concerned. I was around in the year 2001 when everybody in the Housing Development community said that inclusionary was going to be the end of the world as we knew it. I was around when they raised to 12 percent and they said it was going to be the end of the world as we knew it. Apparently it has not been the end of the world as we know it. I was around when victoria wise stood right over here after mayor very towed the funding for transportation vetoed the funding for transportation. When i got on the board it changed the balance between, quote, unquote moderates and progressives. We massed the thing and it became law. And we are seeing no shortage of Office Development in San Francisco. So the question is how much the market will bear. I believe and im willing to test what supervisor haney has before us which he has agreed to judicially phase in. And with that, i will hand it over to supervisor haney. Thank you, cherry peskin. I appreciate all of that. Chair peskin. I appreciate all of that. I appreciate your sponsorship on this. I want to thank everybody who came out and stuck around and who has given comments and helped us draft this. And i do think the amendments we put forward are reasonable and also help us accomplish our goals. I will say that im glad that we discussed the supervisor mars report or the report that supervisor mar commissioned before we had this conversation. Because i think what we saw in that report is what the likely outcome will be if we continue on the path that we are on. And if we dont take a bold proactive action. We have taken a certain approach to this question of our jobs housing balance over the last ten years. And i think its had deeply problematic concerning, i would even call it an existential threat to our city and its quality of life and its wellbeing. At the same time as weve seen some of the lowest unemployment rates that weve ever had in San Francisco, some of the highest rates of growth. We have deep inequality. We have more and more people who are homeless. We have more and more people who are being displaced and having to commute here. And i can tell you that i see it every day on the streets of my district where there is more desperation, theres more displacement. People are struggling in the city. And what we have in front of us here is an important part of the solution. All the folks who came in who are a part of the Good Government type organizations like spur, its concerning to me they didnt comment on the jobs housing report and come forward with us with solutions and partnership but instead just got up there and opposed a real solution to this crisis. We need everybody working together to build more housing especially Affordable Housing. This is a part of this solution. But its not the only step that we have to take. But i think its a critical one because as i said we know what it looks like when we dont act with boldness and urgency and somebody said this was an extreme step. I think if you look at that report and what has happened then with the massive displacement of people who are low income and middleincome in our city, that is extreme. And what we need is a bold and extreme response in order to reverse that trend. So we will continue to have Office Development growth. Theres a lot thats positive about what Office Development can bring to our city. I know there are massive projects that are in the pipeline that are still being planned. Many, many folks want to build office here and will continue to want to build office here. But lets do it in a smart way, a measured way a Sustainable Way and a way that really takes care of all of our workers, particularly those who are at the threat of displacement in our city. So with that, i want to forward this to the full board as amended. First we have to take the amendment. So i want to move the amendment. So amendments have been moved. Can we take that without objection . And then on the motion to send the item as amended to the full board with recommendation, a roll call please. Can i say one thing . Yes you may. We have not started voting. I am committed and a number of folks asked today to continue the conversation and to meet before it comes to the full board and try to work out some of the remaining issues. Im absolutely committed to doing that and planning to do that. As i mentioned ive already made the commitment to have an ongoing analysis and sort of review of this similar to what we had for inclusionary. I want to meet with some of the folks who were concerned about the lab fees and talk about that. And im obviously going to continue to be open to talking to the Mayors Office and all the folks who are impacted by this. So thats my commitment. But i do think its important we move this to the full board. When are you moving it to the full board . Im going to move it to the next board meeting. And hopefully we can resolve the issues by then. If if you cant you can always call for a continuance. If i cant well continue it. I just want to say i supervisor that openness supervisor haney. I think its an extremely important conversation. And the revenue generated by this will be a good bum being step in terms of addressing a significant shortcoming that weve missed for a number of time. Im not ready for this today. Im certainly open to voting for this when it comes to the full board. I am just not ready to move it today. Im not going to support it today but i am open moving forward, absolutely. On the item as amended a roll call please, ms. Major. Haney aye. Safai no. Peskin aye. There are two ayes and one no with safai in descent. Is there any further business. There is none. Seeing none, we are adjourned. Everyone please, stop talking [laughter] [indiscernible] [indiscernible] [laughter] it wouldnt have been that long. [laughter] if we could take a seat. Good morning, rosa parks. Good morning. Lets get our peace signs up. Great job everyone. Take a seat and lets get our peace signs up, please. Thank you. Switched over to our quiet coyotes. Great job. All right. We have a lot of guests today so we will show off our wonderful, thunderous thursday waterfall. Wow. What a great job rosa parks. Thank you so much. That was an awesome drill. I really appreciate all the cooperation. Everyone was safe, kind, respectful, and responsible as they did the drill and exit the building. I want to thank everybody for that. This is a special day today. This is our 30th anniversary at the last big earthquake in the bay area. Just to let the younger people here know, i was a freshman in college. Thinking about this, watching my San Francisco giants World Series Game about to start at home when this earthquake happened 30 years ago. Now fast forward we are having this drill. It is the 11th year of the great shakeout and you were all part of it today where we have many guests. First up, i will introduce dr. Vincent matthews, our superintendent for San FranciscoUnified School District school district. Thank you. [applause] good morning, boys and girls. I just want to tell you how proud i am of you today. You did exactly what you were supposed to do during an earthquake. You dropped, you covered, you made sure your head was covered and then when you heard the all clear sign, you came out here. That is exactly what you are supposed to do. We want to make sure you are safe during an earthquake and one more thing we want you to do is make sure you are telling your parents to be prepared, so make sure they have all the things you need. Food batteries flashlights firstaid kit water, you want to have all those things and a plan. Make sure you are telling your parents that. Im very proud of you today. I want you to we will do a quick cheer. I will spell good job because you did such a good job. So i will say good job and then you say good job, good job. Good job. Good job, good job. Good job. Good job, good job. You did an excellent job today. Im so proud of you. Give yourselves a big round of applause. [applause] we have many people here who are charged with keeping you safe. We have the chief of Emergency Services we have our police chief, we have our share of here we have our fire chief here, and we have the woman who every night, all she does she cant sleep because shes thinking about how to make your lives better. That is our wonderful mayor, and i would like to introduce to you and you will give her big round of applause, our mayor mayor london breed. [cheers and applause] good morning everybody. Good morning, rosa parks. First of all, i want to thank miss therese and her class for hosting us this morning. We had a wonderful time, and some of you might know that i actually went to rosa parks elementary school. So when i was your age, i was here, and this is where i first learned about what to do if there is an earthquake or any other event. My teachers at the time taught us to drop, cover and now it is hold on, but it was drop and cover back then, but the point is to still keep you all safe. I am excited to be here today to celebrate what we know is 30 years of the earthquake. I know all of you werent born back then, but i was and i was a freshman in high school. And i remember that time and the lessons i learned when i was that Rosa Park Elementary School as a teenager, i applied those same lessons and they did not disappoint. We know that its not a matter of if an earthquake is going to happen in San Francisco it is a matter of one. And so you all are the ambassadors to make sure that your families know what to do. So what do we do . Number one . Number two . Number three . You guys are the ambassadors. Good job, good job. Ladies and gentlemen, i would like to introduce the department that keeps you all save our new fire chief janine nicholson. [cheers and applause] good morning, rosa parks. Can we do that a little louder . Good morning you all are awesome. I dont want to brag, but my table in your classroom, we rocked it. Everything that mayor breed said is correct and we want you all to be prepared so that we dont have to come and help you. Of course, we will if we have to but we want you all to be prepared and bring this message home to your families so you all can take care of yourselves. Just like today when we did this in a team, and you always have a buddy at school, the fire department, we always do everything in a team. Make sure you are taking care of your neighbor and your friends and we will be there to take care of you as well. I would like to introduce the head of our department of Emergency Management who oversees all of the city and taking care of all of you folks marianne carol. [applause] good morning, rosa parks. Good morning i am so impressed about how much you all know about earthquakes because my job is all about getting ready for earthquakes and you all know so much. Then i have a secret for you i want to share. I thank you know more than most of the adults around here. So what i want you to do is make sure that when you go home that you talk to your parents and your friends and anybody who is an adult and make sure you teach them what you know about earthquakes. Great job, you guys. One other thing. Do you know the phone number that you are supposed to call if you have [indiscernible] you guys are too smart. 911. 911 is the number you call if you need a Police Officer or a firefighter. So im really glad that you know that and make sure that if you ever are in an emergency, you can call that, and the people who work for me are the ones who answer that number and they will be here. Thank you so much for having us. You did a great job. Share all of your great knowledge that is in your head and now i will introduce someone to you who is very important and he is our chief of police. His name is bill scott. Lets welcome chief scott. [cheers and applause] good morning. We will have a little fun. I will be really, really quick but i want you all to teach the whole city of San Francisco what you did this morning. We want the whole city to hear us. We have to be really really loud okay . Okay all right. Lets try that again. We have to be really, really loud okay . Okay okay. On three we are going to tell the whole city how to handle an earthquake. That is to drop cover and hold on. On three we want the whole city to hear us. Are you ready . Yes ready one, two, three. Stop, drop, hold on i think the whole city heard us. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. Now i want to introduce another one of our Public Safety partners. Our sheriff, vicky hennessy. All right you guys. Everyone said to say good morning and i want you to say good morning to me the lattice of anybody here. Can we do that . Good morning. Good morning that was great. Thank you so much. I just wanted to do a shout out to the kindergarten class. I had been at my table i had willow at my table, and i had jesse at my table. They were so quick getting under my table and dropping, covering, and holding on that i just had to give a shout a shout out. They are in kindergarten so i cant imagine how the rest in the school did. Im sure you did wonderfully. Once again, thank you for letting us come today and talk to you and thank you for the work youre doing to keep yourselves safe and your families safe by telling your parents today what happened. Thank you. [applause] thank you. Lets give one last big rosa parks hand for all of our guests today. [applause] i think we will end with one more last good job, good job. Lets hear it. Dr. Matthews has to do it. Are you ready . Good job. Good job, good job good job. Good job, good job [cheering] thank you, rosa parks. You are dismissed. Kindersley first and then first grade. Kindersley first and then first grade. Kindergarten first and then first grade. Welcome to the epic center did you know that many buildings in San Francisco are not bolted to the foundation on todays episode well learn how the option to bolt our foundation in an earthquake. Hi, everybody welcome to another episode of stay safe im the director of earthquake safety in the city and county of San Francisco im joined by a friend matt. Thank you thanks for being with us were in a garage but at the el cap center south of market in San Francisco what weve done a simulated the garage to show you what it is like to make the improvements and reduce the reflexes of earthquake were looking at Foundation Bolts what do they do. The Foundation Bolts are one of the strengthening system they hold the lowest piece of wood onto the foundation that prevents the allows from sliding during an earthquake that is a bolt over the original construction and these are typically put in along the foundation to secure the house to the Foundation One of the things well show you many types of bolts lets go outside and show the vufrdz were outside the epic center in downtown San Francisco well show 3 different types of bolts we have a e poxy anchor. It is a type of anchor that is adhesive and this is a rod well embed both the awe hey that embeds it into the foundation that will flip over a big square washer so it secured the mud sell to the foundation well need to big drill luckily we have peter from the company that will help us drill the first hole. So, now we have the hole drilled ill stick the bolt in and e postoffice box it. That wouldnt be a bad idea but the dust will prevent the e postoffice box from bonding we need to clean the hole out first. So, now we have properly cleaned hole whats the next step. The next step to use e postoffice box 2 consultants that mixes this together and get them into tubes and put a notice he will into the hole and put the e postoffice box slowly and have a hole with e postoffice box. Now it is important to worm or remember when you bolt our own foundation you have to go to 9 department of building inspection and get a permit before you start what should we look at next what i did next bolt. A couple of anchors that expand and we can try to next that will take a hole that hole is drilled slightly larger marathon the anchor size for the e postoffice box to flow around the anchor and at expansion is going into the hole the same dinning room well switch theameter well switch the holes so, now we have the second hole drilled what next. This is the anchor and this one has hard and Steel Threads that cuts their way into the concrete it is a ti ton anchor with the same large square so similar this didnt require e postoffice box. Thats correct you dont needed for the e postoffice box to adhere overnight it will stick more easily. And so, now it is good to go is that it. Thats it. The third anchor is a universal Foundation Plate when you dont have room above our foundation to drill from the top. So, now we have our Foundation Plate and the tightened screw a couple of ways to take care of a foundation whats the best. The best one depends on what your house is like and our contractors experience theyre sometimes considered the cadillac anchor and triplely instead of not witting for the e postoffice box this is essentially to use when you dont have the overhead for the foundation it really depends on the contractor and engineering what they prefer. Talking to a qualified professional and see what brine is in the pro o bryan works on oceanside projects. We understand the infrastructure is old and there is new technology to incorporate. Bryans role is to manage the Capital Projects to update infrastructure and to make things more efficient. Bryan is a unique project manager. He brings technical experience but only that but he is a great mentor to young project managers in my group. Mentors is a lot about compatibility too. He showed me his process and how he organized things and managed projects and had conversations on escalating things with contractors. Brine shows leadership. He is independent. We Work Together pretty well with the resources we have to get the best outcome for the city. I think we have an open communication and that trust again of teamwork. Bryan is a straightshooter, he likes to get things done. He doesnt seek praise. I think that is why myself wanted to nominate him for the award to get recognition for the things he does to go above and beyond in his job. He is committed. That is why he deserved the golden pride award. I havent been awarded anything like this in my 20 years. That is exciting to be recognized. It is special. It is excited to get recognition with the ongoing activities with the focus on the southeast. It is good to have a little bright light over here every once in a while. We are next to sorb ocean beach. I am a project manager for the Sewer System Improvement Program at oceanside