If they get into a situation where theyre potentially seeing inferior framing that is shown on the plans to remain, and it cant because its inferior, they should contact the department of building inspection, get an inspector out there, we will actually issue an inspection notice. The project would have to go back to planning, and that changes the democounts, and thats a process that we have in place for those types of projects. Were trying to get away from people saying oh, it was rotten. We just took it down and ask for forgiveness. Were actually calling people ahead of time and making sure they dont get into that situation. This sounds like they may, based on some of the comments that ive heard tonight with framing and touch with soil and contact with wood, thats never a good thing. So with that, id say its a good enough permit, as long as they go down the line and follow the process. Commissioner honda so joe, is there no excavation here . I dont know, to be honest. I didnt see the drawings, and commissioner honda and im satisfied that because theyve gone through the process here that the Building Department will follow through because we realize how important it is, especially when youre doing retaining walls, excavation, how important it is to make sure yeah. Its a vertical addition, so theres definitely structural work to be done, whether theyre being made to do a new foundation, i dont know that just yet. I can review the plans and get you a rebuttal on that. Commissioner honda you get a second swing on that, and you have 9 42. Clerk thank you. Is there any Public Comment on this item . Commissioner honda come on up. Good evening and welcome. Thank you. Im glad youre all able to retain your sense of human. My name is amy kyle. I filed a card. I live in between mr. Greeman in between the two houses he constructed, so i know a lot about impacts, not construction. And im going to speak to the flood issue because part of my back yard is the exposed bedrock, and part of my hill is really steep hill. Theres a cluster of houses at the corner, and the hill. And its so steep. Its so steep, they dont mow it. They just send the goats up. You just see the water moving on it all the time, so i have flooding issues. Before they fixed it, the reservoir leaked, and wed see a lot of water. But it kind of comes to the corner. Its a chute sort of down toward our corner, so the hill goes in both directions. The street that goes up past my house goes up the hill, and then gladys goes up this hill, and the water will kind of concentrate that way. So im concerned about that, and im concerned about this project because we keep seeing drawings that maybe arent quite showing everything, you know . This has sort of been happened before, and we raised this issue earlier, and oh, no, thats not a thing. I think it is a thing, and you only have to look at the project to be worried about the condition of that foundation. So, you know, the prior hearing doesnt really make me feel too much better about how everything will be taken care of by the system. Will it . I dont know. I think theres a lot of peril with this project because everythings a zero lot line. This thing is already occupying fully whats supposed to be the set back, and were just hoping thisll get figured out later. You know, im pretty doubtful that thats going to happen, so i hope you take the closest possible look here, you know, and give us some assurance that this isnt going to cause our houses ultimately to fall down if water leaks through or, you know, all these walls that are really not i mean, you can look at it and see it. Theyre not well constructed now or maybe not all going to be replaced or whatever. So im not an engineer, im not an expert, but i am concerned about the way this has all come forward and what the impacts are going to be and whether were going to be back here in five years saying this is a colossal mess that no one can fix. Commissioner honda thank you. Clerk thank you. Is there any other Public Comment . Yes, i have one. Commissioner honda come on up. The price is right. Ill be short and sweet. Commissioner honda its okay. I live next to david, one door up. My issue is about the reservoir because i have problems in my garage with the reservoir. I have a river running through, and im very concerned about my property. I just wish if hes going to build, that they really look into that because im just two doors up. And my second concern is the way he wants to build, i have a living room window. Hell look right in on me, so im concerned with privacy. Im 75 years old, and i live my myself, so think did suggest things for him to make the building a little different, that everyone would be happy, and he refused to do that. And so, you know, those are my concerns as a resident on gladys street. Thats it. Commissioner honda thank you very much. Clerk maam . Maam . Will you please fill out a speaker card . Thank you. Commissioner honda were requesting your auto graph. Clerk is there any other Public Comment on this matter . We just need your name so it reflects accurately in our minutes. Is there any other Public Comment . Okay. Well move on to rebuttal, and well hear from mr. Greeman first. Well, i can see where everyones coming. They keep telling me theyre going to catch it, 16, 16 d. B. I. Theyre going to catch it if the diagrams were accurate, but theyre not. If someone had said can we have this on the screen, please. If that was listed as being a demo, that wouldnt have gone through 1660. Thats a demo, too because its up against soil. Had they accurately depicted, and they should have known an architect whos been working in this city for two decades would know that wood up against soil isnt going to fly. I dont want to use the word lie i guess i just did, but i think its really deceptive to send a plan in with wood up against soil on concrete thats been observed to be repaired and capped in a 1941 building, to add a full load on a floor with a wraparound deck with a life human load and claim to 1660 thats going to remain. My biggest fear is they go in there, they discover the conditions, and its red tagged during the construction. I live two buildings up from the applicant. I was broken into five times. Insurance is more when youre in construction. Im terrified that youre going to go discover sure enough that it is in fact a demo, because it is. There is no way to support those floors while cutting away 5 feet of floor to put up that wall. When you do put up the wall, i really, really hope you do what your engineer said. A 12inch drain, a stem wall thats ten, 12, 18 feet has to be 12 inches thick with rebar. Must contain a footer thats 18 inches thick. The rebar must extend 12 inches out to connect with the rebar on your rat pad. Its not true theyre only doing certain facade differences. Thats a demo, too, on their diagram, so all this is wrecked. This is a demo, period. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Commissioner honda thank you. Clerk we will now hear from the attorney for mr. Donofrio. Good evening, commissioners. Thank you very much for your patience on what im sure has been a long evening for you. We have an incorrect scope of demolition depicted and an incorrect story count, even an incorrect cost of what this story is going to cost. Most significantly, the concern is that the removal of the eastern wall, which as weve heard from mr. Duffy if its wood against soil could create problems. The removal of that wall raises significant demolition and float stability issues. And yes, these are issues that we have raised in other forums because of the concern about this uphill reservoir, the impact on neighboring properties. And what we were told by planning at the board of supervisors was that, due to the onsite slope, the project is subject to heightened review by d. B. I. s structural advisory committee. Yet now we are hearing from mr. Sanchez that planning didnt guarantee us that were going to go to structural advisory committee. Secondly, a geotechnical report would be required before a Building Permit was issued, yet we havent seen any further geotechnical reports, so these are some real concerns about what has been analyzed for this project, and thats why were asking for the permit to be revoked. However, if the board is not minded to revoke the permit, were ask that it be referred to d. B. I. Structural advisory committee, and if they make a determination regarding the story count, the slope stability issue or the scope of demolition, it should then be referred back to planning. Thank you very much for your time. Commissioner honda thank you. Clerk thank you. We will now hear from the permit holder. You have six minutes. I guess the only thing i want to respond to is the quote from the planner was, i think, an environmental planner who was speaking about his thought about what potentially might be required at d. B. I. Its not a d. B. I. Representative, and it doesnt conflict with what were saying here today, which is that d. B. I. Will require everything to make sure it complies with safety requirements. I think that everything, Building Permits, site permits is used interchangeably, but theyre Different Things if youre filing a full Building Permit versus a site permit with a future agenda. So ill stop there, and the team is here to answer any questions. Commissioner honda thank you. Clerk thank you. Well now hear from the planning department. Commissioner honda come on, move it along. This is the last case. Get it going, skippy. Dont rush me. Scott sanchez, planning department. Whats shown on the plans is not a demolition. The appellant had highlighted something on the plans that he had stated was a demolition. There were separate hashed lines that depict parking space, but thats not shown being demolished on the plans. Anything thats below grade does not count towards section 317 calculations, so even if all those retaining walls need to be replaced, that doesnt count toward 317. I think this board has heard these issues before, and people will come up and claim its a demolition. Commissioner honda first time. If anybody wants to be out in front of that, its the sponsor usually after the department has reviewed conditions generally not very favorably in several cases going back to what was there before or often wanting to go back to what was there when the building was first built. So it was quite a serious matter. And maybe the project sponsor wants to address some of their thoughts and methodology in greater detail, but you know whats shown on the plans as shown to not be a demolition because mr. Buskovic notes, we have a process for this. And we do have a process for this. If there are changes to be made, theres a process for that. If work is done without a permit out in the field, i think that this project will be very well monitored by the neighbors and if there is demolition or if even this is a demolition beyond what was approved, therell probably be complaints about it, and therell be inspections, investigations. Im sure therell be a close eye on it, and if issues are found that it is a demolition, itll go back to the Planning Commission and require a conditional use authorization, and thatll be the process. Commissioner honda thank you. Commissioner tanner one question around the hydrology issues and drainage issues, i imagine there are requirements that properties deal with drain age issues that properties deal with drain age issues that are not on their property . Thats a d. B. I. Issue. Clerk okay. We will now hear from d. B. I. Joe duffy, d. B. I. Asking d. B. I. To do a s. A. C. Review, if it falls under that type of project, our process would catch that, which is good. I cant tell you people what to do, but a s. A. C. Review commissioner honda attorneys do it all the time. Well, when its not required, its a little unfair on a permit holder. I would imagine its just trying to put a team together. If it does fall under any category, whether its s. A. C. , when its slope stablity, when you put an address in our section, you click on restrictions, itll show you restrictions and slope stablity, and no doubt what mr. Sanchez said, theres a lot of eyes on this project. I doubt it will be missed. You had a question. Commissioner tanner public drain age, during public testimony time, some folks are concerned with drain age in the area which would be seem to be the permit holders issue other than the fact that they might suffer from it, as well. Can you speak to how we address drain age from one property to the other or what would be required . Yes. Its a very good question. Basically, everyones responsible for their own drainage. As mr. Sanchez said, you cant drain on somebodys property. Unfortunately, its going to drain downhill. There are occasions in this project, for example, if theres drainage, theyre going to have to take care of it, the retaining wall, anything like that, theyre going to have to take care of it. Water cant run from their property on to somebodys property. There may be something just because of the area, and for the lady that got up and said shes got water coming through her garage, shes got a water cable table or something, i would imagine. Theres ways she can address that. It may be coming from a neighbor, and she can file a complaint if she thinks there is. If she has clear indication that water it coming over a Property Line from somebody elses property. Commissioner tanner sounds like it may be coming from p. U. C. Property to other peoples property, so that may be the issue. Clerk thank you. Commissioners, this matters submitted. Commissioner tanner i have not heard any testimony that would lead me to believe this permit was not properly issued. I would move to deny the appeal. Commissioner honda just because i was smiling and making jokes does not mean that im not taking this as a serious matter. This particular project has undergone quite a bit of process and just by the amount of dollars per hour in this room, i think there is going to be a significant amount of eyes watching this project alongside with the departments which whether we like or dont like, we have to have faith in our city departments and their abilities to make things happen, and so i would concur with my fellow commissioner. Vice president lazarus as would i, im content to let the normal processes take their place because i havent heard anywhere here tonight that would encourage me to revoke the site permit. Commissioner tanner and just to the woman, you gave testimony just wondering how things would be caught in light of the previous cases, 20year ongoing permit. I think thats very much on the outside and the outlier of our permit system. What will happen, it will be graded and more studies, as mr. Duffy said, related to the project. When we say well catch things, its not that we hope it, it goes through a much more scrutinous review. Thats why we have faith in it and most of the time, it does work. Clerk okay. So we have a motion from commissioner tanner to deny the appeal and uphold the permit on the basis that it was properly issued. On that motion [roll call] clerk okay. So that motion carries, 30, and this adjourns the meeting. [gavel]. Clerk thank you. Im rebecca and im a violinist and violin teacher. I was born here in San Francisco to a family of cellists, professional cellists, so i grew up surrounded by a bunch of musical rehearsals an lessons. All types of activities happened in my house. I began playing piano when i was 4. I really enjoyed musical activities in general. So when i was 10, i began studying violin in San Francisco. And from there, i pretty much never stopped and went on to study in college as well. Thats the only thing ive ever known is to have music playing all the time, whether it is someone actually playing next to you or someone listening to a recording. I think that i actually originally wanted to play flute and we didnt have a flute. Its always been a way of life. I didnt know that it could be any other way. Could you give me an e over here. Great. When you teach and youre seeing a student who has a problem, you have to think on your feet to solve that problem. And that same kind of of thinking that you do to fix it applies to your own practice as well. So if im teaching a student and they are having a hard time getting a certain note, they cant find the right note. And i have to think of a digestible way to explain it to them. Ee, d, d, e. Yes. Then, when i go on to do my own practice for a performance, those words are echoing back in my head. Okay. Why am i missing this . I just told somebody that they needed to do this. Maybe i should try the same thing. I feel a lot of pressure when im teaching young kids. You might think that there is less pressure if they are going on to study music or in college that it is more relaxing. I actually find that the opposite is true. If i know im sending a High School Student to some great music program, theyre going to get so much more instruction. What i have told them is only the beginning. If i am teaching a student who i know is going to completely change gears when they go to college and they never will pick up a violin again there is so much that i need to tell them. In plain violin, it is so difficult. There is so much more information to give. Every day i think, oh, my gosh. I havent gotten to this technique or we havent studies they meese and they have so much more to do. We only have 45 minutes a week. I have taught a few students in some capacity who has gone on to study music. That feels anaysing. It is incredible to watch how they grow. Somebody can make amazing project from you know, age 15 to 17 if they put their mind to it. I think i have 18 students now. These more than ive had in the past. Im hoping to build up more of a studio. There will be a pee ono, lots of bookshelves and lots of great music. The students will come to my house and take their lessons there. My schedule changes a lot on a daytoday basis and that kind of keeps it exciting. Think that music is just my favorite thing that there is, whether its listening to it or playing it or teaching it. All that really matters to me is that im surrounded by the sounds, so im going top keep doing what im doing to keep my life in that direction. Mayor breed sean richard who is with us today. Hes a part of brothers against guns has been on the ground on a regular basis. So Many Community advocates, big rich and others, working with our community. We were in this community in the trenches working hard to deal with this issue, james and michael, without a lot of help and support. You know what . Not anyone else thats in this race for District Attorney, not one of those folks is none other than susie lawson. [ applause ]. Mayor breed susie lawson came to the table. She was working with us to try to figure out what can we do as a neighborhood prosecutor, what can i do to help make this community safer. Not this