80s that it had other plans for the location, the navy and the island moved it to museum in district one. During this, sotomayor passed away. He died believing that the fountain was under restoration. In his obituary, the paper called him San Franciscos novel laureate. This was the last photograph taken of the fountain before it was dismantled. Engineers determined rather than moving it in one place, the fountain would have to be cut along mortared joints. Tida is the steward owner and caretaker of both the covarrbias murals and the pacific fountains. Five of the six murals have been lovingly preserved. One has been missing since the 60s, which is sad, but the rest are preserved, while the fountain languishes with a certain amount of pathos on the island. San francisco should be proud that this fountain recognizes the citys recognition of the pacific as a united a unity of economic and cultural partners. San francisco recognizes that community and gave it breathtaking vision in the world fair, especially in the art of that fair. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for your great presentation and who else is coming . [inaudible] okay. Yes maam. Just say who you are. Good morning. My name is claire isaacs. I was director from the San Francisco Art Commission from 1983 to 1990. I also ran an art center for the city of los angeles and did Education Programs for San Francisco museum of modern art, and im here to speak about the artistic quality of this great work of art. Ive also been president of the Treasure Island museum twice and remain on the board. This is a 25year saga, the saga of this beautiful fountain. Antonio sotomayor did something thats not been done before. He made a terra cotta map of the world as seen from the pacific using the colors found in nature. The oceans, lakes, rivers, and streams are all glazed in blue. You may notice in the last slide that the areas around the pacific shoreline are in light blue and then graduates to dark blue to insinuate depth. In the middle of this, there are several charming whales spouting from their spouts as they do in the ocean. Its a wonderful work of art. Its an important work of art and would do so much to Treasure Island to have it restored and placed in a spot for so many to enjoy as it was so many years ago. There isnt much left from the fair, just buildings one, two, and three, but this would be something for everybody to enjoy left from the fair and everybody to enjoy. The city has been wonderful in taking care of its works and art and this would be a great triumph that people would like to see for miles around. One last thing. Sotomayor was a wonderful artist. He did paintings and drawings as well as pen and ink including this wonderful fountain. Please help us put this fountain back together on the island. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Are there other speakers . Good morning. Im retired admiral john biddulph. I had the honor of living in nimitz house on Yerba Buena Island. I am here today in my capacity as a member of the Treasure Island Museum Advisory council. Following the 1989 loma prieta earthquake and in the process of inspecting the island for damage, i came across a fencedin area containing colorful ceramic tiles, and their beauty caught my eye. Research revealed they were part of the Pacific Basin fountain from the 1939 worlds fair. As a history buff and an art aficionado, i wanted to preserve these facts and have the terra cotta tiles repaired and installed in front of building number one. I like to see myself as the stepfather of this fountain. I requested special funding to make this happened, but i retired before my effort came to fruition, and apparently, my successor did not pursue it any further. During that inspection, i also came across several additional art objects, including the pacific unity sculptures and assured their preservation. Six of the sculptures are now in front of building one. For your information, immediately following the earthquake, i was responsible for leading the major rescue and recovery effort in the greater bay area with more than 10,000 navy and marine more personnel. Upon my retirement from the navy, the mayor appointed me director of emergency services, and i am responsible for building the emergency command and Communications Center on turk street. I strongly support the preservation and restoration of this historic and beautiful fountain for future generations. And your name, please, sir, for the record. Im retired general john bitoff, bitoff. Thank you. Any other speakers . Good morning. My name is dan heilbeck. My company was retained by the museum to perform a Feasibility Study on reconstructing the fountain, so im here to talk about that. The fountain contained roughly 610 pieces of terra cotta, and of that, 60 of them no, 70 of them remain. And most importantly, the remaining pieces are the most important pieces that makeup the topography of the Pacific Basin. The pieces that are missing are the pieces that you will see around the perimeter of the fountain, which are relatively plain pieces that are easily refabricated. So we authorized a study to talk about that. As a result, that, we started to develop some repair strategies for it because as was mentioned before, when the fountain was reconstructed, the pieces were remortared together again, which led to some damage when they were disassembled in 1984. The repair of terra cotta is a fairly straightforward process. Its been done several times in the city throughout the years, and over the years, myself and other companies have developed techniques to repair ter terra cotta spalls and nicks and stuff like that. So from a reassembly standpoint, reaassembling the fountain is not hard. We had a contractor give us an estimate that focuses strictly on reassembling the fountain. We dont know where the fountain would be rebuilt, whether it be in its own dedicated area, would it be on a hilly site or a flat site and things like that. Theres also issues regarding whether or not it would be dry or wet, whether it would actually contain water and have spouts as the original fountain did. However, to get some idea of what Something Like that might cost, we also prepared a very outlined scope of work, mimicking where it was in Pacific House for 50 years on the island. We had that commissioned by lee saller and associates, and they estimated that cost would be approximately 1 million, but theres many assumptions in that. Moving forward, the aspect of contemplating the reconstruction of the fountain is to determine where it would be built, what sort of context it would be within, whether its a standalone item, whether its incorporated with some other features, you know, retail and things like that or theres endless possibilities, but that would be a very important part towards moving forward is determines where it would be placed on the island and to what environment. So any way, just to summarize, to literally just just reconstruct the fountain is quite feasible, but in order to move forward, we need to find a place for it and how you would like to use it on the island. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Other speakers . Chair richardson, committee members, thank you very much for your attention to our presentation on the Pacific Basin fountain. We know your name, sir . Im sorry. Walt pilowski, Treasure Island museum. The historic important is clear. As youve heard me say so many times before, Treasure Island has these wonderful threats of history that continue in the present and into the future. And visitors to the fountain will not only be able to see the art and the history and the themes to the fair but the relevance to San Franciscos place on the pacific rim and the concerns we have today looking at china and korea. This fountain will have meaning that any visitor can find in it. The this is now or never for the fountain. We have a big island. Its in the process of being recreated. There must be space somewhere on the fountain on the island for the fountain. We certainly would love to have input into that discussion, but there are a lot of players and a lot of interests, and thats a discussion beyond our thinking today. There is funding for art on the island. There is a road map this preliminary study gives you and the developers a road map to start the discussion to begin thinking about the issues. It was generously funded by the Historic Preservation fund of the office of economic and workforce development, so all the pieces are here, probably for the last time in the fountains history, except for one critical piece, and that is your support. This fountain needs a champion, and that champion has to be tida. You are the owners and the stewards of those wonderful pieces of history, the covarrubias murals and the sotomayor fountain. You are the missing piece of the puzzle, and we need your help. Thank you. Well, thank you. Any other speakers . Yes, sir. My name is harvey smith. Im a local his totorian, and a project advisor to the living ideal. I have a support letter for you, but i just want to add a few more points that actually are are not in the letter. And i want to focus on the the aspect of the fountain that is that the and the whole fair, which was it was dedicated to peace. And i think thats something in todays world that we we need more reminders of. We need mormon umts to piece. San francisco played a key role with hosting the fair and five year years we need more monuments to peace. San francisco played a key role with hosting the fair and five years after that. We have other pieces, so this remaining work and the sculptures, i think are important for people to see. I also want to point out that this is not ordinary ter terra cotta. This is manufactured by glady mcbean, a company established in Northern California in 1875, and the company is still around. So i think that the fountain also evokes something thats intanable, and that you probably know, one of the nicknames for the island is the magic island, particularly during the fair. And i think this island evokes some of that magic, and i think its important for people to understand where their community has come from, and i think that theres a very critical important significant legacy thats in Treasure Island. And i think the more that we do to commemorate that, the more that enriches not only Treasure Island, but all of San Francisco and the bay area and beyond. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Any other speakers . [inaudible] there would be Public Comment. Are there any other speakers . Yes, sir. Go ahead. I im riley dody. Im a member of the board Heritage Foundation which is a National Foundation dedicated to the research and preservation of architectural ceramic. I want to comment on glady mcbeans work on the pacific fountain and its other work. I think im speaking to people with a pretty good sense of this but it deserves to be highlighted. Te the fountain was produced in the final phase of the companys glory years. Over several years, the company had manufactured facade elements for several of the citys prominent buildings. Skilled workers fabricated molds of various shapes. In all, glady mcbean supplies material for over 900 prom mentnent buildings in the city. Im just going to do a list of particulars. Daniel bernham, blakewell and brown, g. Albert lyinsburg, th call building, the hearst building, southern pacific building, the hobart building, San Francisco public library, now the asian art museum. Metropolitan insurance building, standard oil building, mark hopkins hotel, mission high school, pacific telephone and telegraph, the roost building, Saint Georges building, the opera house. The pacific fountain was glady mcbeans final major San Francisco commission. It capped off a remarkable recess m resume of work. Thank you, sir. Are there any other Public Comment . I do not see any. Let me at the all for taking the time to come out very early this morning to and your passion and the historic records. And i think just what can i say . Just to we extend our gratitude to you. Let me also take this opportunity here for all of you and for those that are watching, mr. Bilowski, your leadership on the Treasure Island museum, you are constantly up here advocating and working religiously, if i can say that. Youre conducting workshops, youre educating people. Let it be known that we consider the pacific fountain in our work plan of Treasure Island. We continue to support the museum. Why . Before we developed that island into what it needs to be, it had the history. And the history, when we look at Treasure Island as a point of destination, what are people coming to see . Yeah, later on, they might come in to look at the open space and all of that, but the historical landmark that we have, the art that we have, are going to be displays of attraction. When we were going out to look at this, we didnt mention no, its going to be a county place that people can come and learn about the bay area and history, so we already are supporting Treasure Island museum with particular to this art, yes. There will be extensive discussion. In fact, mr. Bilowski of record and on record on several occasions, weve been asking you and youve been updating us about the lost art of mr. Covarrubias. Ive been asking you is there going to be a movement into finding that lost art because we do know ultimately some lost arts do show up mysteriously. No, that is a passion, no. We do have a mission to produce art. Were going all over the world, regionally, locally, and everywhere, and im sure these individuals here are well versed in public and world art. We value historical things, and im sure collectively when we get to this discussion, we will talk about that. Our president talks about historical things all the time. So at this time, i am going to open this item for discussion. I see commissioner lei to start this off. Thank you. Commission okay, yeah, you can go in. You guys switch. Commissioner shen . Thanks for coming and educating us about this, bringing it to our attention and also doing a lot of the legwork and providing the analysis, which is really helpful. I think many of us here feel the same way about history and art as being important values and components of a vibrant community, and this does seem like a very rare occurrence of art and history kind of all mixed in one. This is an informational item so im just mostly going to be asking some questions to better understand the situation. Im not sure which one of you has worked on the analysis more, but i have a few questions related, so if someone can maybe standup to the penal codum . So i think the report basically assumes or is leaning towards an outdoor installation . And im just wondering what the advantages are with an outdoor to an indoor installation, and im just wondering if thats a concern to the group . Well, historically speaking, we cant bring that up. We just thought that should be considered for budget purpose. And since there is no site right now dedicated for the fountain, in order to come up with a number, we just made the assumption that it would be an outdoor site that mimicked the corridor pacifica where it existed until 1984. Specifically, i think thats something the committee would do in the planning process to try to figure out where it would best be cited. Were not advocating for a site. However, i did bring up the issues of citing just so you can just to come up with a budget number for planning because as an architect and engineer, the most important unit of our business is the dollar, and so thats an important thing to be considering when youre planning. In a broader sentence, though, the indoor site would protect the components of the fountain much better. It would not be subject to weathering and the like. However, outdoor would be fine. The fountain existed 50 years where it was at, and ter terra cotta is used on buildings often. Maintenance will have to be provided for, but outdoor can be used. Is that something you were considered, outdoor was a longterm solution, but maintenance would have to be considered. Yeah and , and if youre considering an indoor setting, you would have to plan it from the beginning which would be easier to install. And where was the corridor pacifica . What is that planned for, that area . [inaudible] yeah. It would be at the northern end of what currently is the job corps property. Would you like to step up to the podium so the audience at home can hear you . Sure. Its right next to where mercy is. Its to the east of mercy. Thats where it was, and the reason the navy said they had to move it was they wanted to pave it. Theres essentially a parking lot there. Oh, its where the parking lot is currently. Yeah. That was my next question, is why they had to demolish it in 94. So thats helpful. And then, this next set of questions is more directed to director beck. So where are we currently in our public art budget because i know that weve already selected a lot of the public artists for the major art sites that weve identified. No, i can answer that, commissioner shen. Art and i are on the committee and we are still on the going process. We have some sites were looking at, and like everything were looking at, there are some proposals that were looking at. Every art, skrculpture, etc. , will have to be looked at, so thats what were doing now. I remember about six months ago, we went through adopting the art plan and finalizing some plans for art park. Yes. People have made a number of proposals, and the committee has come back. We have not made any selection because you have this primary space, and what weve done is sent out some proposals to some artists to tell us about the concept. It its still at the conceptual stage now. And commissioner, you can jump in. We have a comprehensive plan for arts on the island for comprehensive pieces as well as art on the island. We can look at this, but i have some questions later, as well. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Im just wondering how we can fit this art piece into our art plan and whether that would require any kind of amendment to the document or whether we have Authority Without going back into the document to cite this. Again, we have all kinds of concepts and ideas right now that have been entertained, and we are partners with the Arts Commission. So again, as commissioner shen said, its looking at the comprehensive, where we have everything belongs, it. Its not going to be that hasty decision. We have some space, and we have . We have some flexibility. We need to look at some places on Treasure Island where we have space, and Different Things will have to be taken into consideration before you can place anything permanently. So i think from my perspective, i think as the next step, we have definitely continue evaluating both indoor and outdoor options, thinking doing a little bit more analysis on the cost implication for longterm maintenance costs, looking at whether any of our documents have space. It sounds like we have flexibility, but just to take it a step further and start thinking around things like siting, funding and resources. Im not sure where we are with our tida budget, but we woumay have to look at 134 creative ways creative at some creative ways to fund it. Commissioner shen. Yes. Thank you, commissioner john bitoff. I know you played a role in making sure the pieces of the fountain were parked up and preserved. But certainly, the fact that this was a focus on the pacific was certainly at that time when everybody was looking to europe and the atlantic, certainly a way of marking our difference being on the coast of the pacific looking towards that part of the world. So i think that that was a wonderful thing to have done. And the fact that these were artists, sotomayor and covarrubias showed the diversity of artists that were working on the island, as well, and that whole theme of peace which was working with the fair, and was the start of the united nations. Thank you for that part of history in which San Francisco played a role. I think its something that we need to look at. As we build a new island, there always has to be a look back, a tie back to the past. I think we cant forget the past. And i appreciate the work you do as a museum to keep that history alive. Really appreciate. I think theres two major questions that we have to ask. First of all how much, and whe where . Those are the questions that we have to ask to see what we can do with this mountain and refurbishing it. And my understanding from the presentation and under you make certainly some assumptions with that. It was approximately in todays dollars 1. 6 million to restore and another 1 million to site. Is that correct . Yeah, 2. 6 million. So its not an insignificant amount. In fact its more than any individual piece of artwork or sculpture that we will commission on the island. This far exceeds any new commission that we might have, so its something that we would have to work on as far as funding, but we would look at it. I think the more important question to look at is where, and i think thats something we can look at as our landscape and Development Team is looking at more appropriate places because theres a lot thats happening on the island. Some of it and weve actually got a whole roster of incredible Landscape Architects and architects working on the island. So we want to make sure that we find a place that does the fountain justice but overall that it fits within the overall plan of the island. So i would suggest if the plan and the Development Team can start to look at where might this go, i think that would solve one of the questions. And then, the question of funding is always a big question for all of us, and theres ways to do that. You know, private and public, and certainly, we can investigate that further. But thank you so much for your passion and your dedication and for your keeping history alive for us. I appreciate you do that. Yes. And i also for the record need to acknowledge that we did receive quite a lot of letters from individuals that are affiliated with art institution, San Francisco heritage. Letter from mike ballard, susan tunic, from the National New Deal preservation association, from mr. Harvey smith, from Taryn Edwards with the mechanics institute, and a host of other people there. So the enthusiasm and support that you have all demonstrated in all of that and as we deliberated, we would take a look again, two things that we need to resolve together, the cost and the location. And again, should this be outside . And again, the location will inform on the cost. If youre putting something outside, you need to think about the maintenance and all of those elements. And if youre putting it inside, what about the food traffic and all of those . So thats basically the kind of work that we would like to develop. Our infrastructure, landscape, weve received the highest lead of any development in the world, so it really shows us here, working on this thing meticulously so at the end of the day, it will be that destination that all of you envisioned. Thank you all again for your presence today. Just a couple quick questions on the construction. I imagine if its installed and its going to have water, its going to be heavier. Is that going to affect construction and the cost, and then, the infrastructure, i imagine if theres going to be electricity and water run to it to fill it and those sorts of things . Yes, thats true. For the portion of just simply reconstructing the fountain, we did make assumptions about the type of foundation it would need. Ultimately, a geotechnical engineer would need to look at it and based on the types of soils that are likely on Treasure Island, we built in a very Robust Foundation for that. So it would work either way. Yes. You have to put in some plumbing and pumps and all that to deal with the water. But if its dry, youll have to put in some drains but obviously much less infrastructure for Something Like that. And as far as it sited inside or outside, is there anything you would have to do to make the colors hold better or something or is that a consideration in the cost . The repair work would probably be pretty similar whether its inside or outside. The only difference might be longterm maintenance. Okay. And then and this is actually outside the construction, thank you. But did this project ever go to the Arts Commission, like when they were considering the type of arts or the installations or the artists . So when the m. O. U. For the master plan and the Arts Commission was before you, we did consider maincluding the preservation for arts for this to be restored, but it didnt happen. Thank you, all. Thank you, everyone, for your presence here today. Kate, before the next item, i want to bring martin just learned that this is your last day tomorrow is your last day . Were shocked. Come, come, come, come, come, come, come. Oh, my god. Martin has worked with us this commission, get the opportunity to have outstanding architect Landscape Architects, engineers, and we consider martin one of the best in the country. So tell us i just got the text that this is your last day, so its all yours. Im humbled and honored to recognized and very appreciative to have had the opportunity to work on the project thus far first as a designer and then also for the developer, and hope to stay involved somehow, but many people have done much more for this project than i, but im honored to be recognized, but i would just say thank you to everyone here. Thank you for your outstanding work. We know youre one of the finest. Martin, were just so saddened that youre leaving. I was just so shocked when i heard the news because i thought you would be with us forever. But good luck on your future endeavors, and hopefully youll be able to keep connection with this project. I know that you were very helpful in its initial stages, and so we want to see that connection still continue. But good luck to you. Thank you again. I do plan to stay in touch. Thank you, sir. Okay. Next thing on the agenda . Item number six, habitat Management Plan update. So Peter Summerville from our staff will give an update. Directors, Peter Summerville from tida staff. Last week, you received another wonderful presentation and update from peter brastaugh. Hes here, as well, but we wanted to speak to the committee and give you a little bit of update cant avoid the pun, but get into the weeds of a little bit of the planning and functionality of the work thats going on. Ill take the time to acknowledge martin. Hes been a great partner, also lauren from c. M. G. Is a great partner, as well. So we do thank the partner for all their hard work on this. Sorry about this. So im just going to run through some of the different elements that weve been working on over the last year or so. Feel free to stop me in between during any questions or we can take questions at the end, as well. The first one to start with is the y. B. I. Stewardship program. So over the last three years, tida and s. F. Environment have developed a formalized stewardship program. And really, stewardship is volunteers, giving back to the earth, the people power of the operation. Well developed a stable structure with that. We have a healthy day. Were having luck with corporate partnerism. We have a monthly newsletter. Weve worked a lot with Life Learning Academy, their gardening and Community Gardening instructor. The Life Learning Academy, were going to be working with them and engaging with them, as well. The other thing weve been working on in the last year is working to bring yerba buena to Treasure Island. Well speak a little bit later about that in the presentation. This is a little bit more work of what goes into stewardship. Those are some of the different happy stewards, members of the staff and also an intern from s. F. Environment and some of other groups that have come out. In the next year youll see in the slide somehow, items in italics, things were going to be doing in the next year. Weve done different parties, different opportunities. You know, the attendance kind of comes and goes, but i think wed like to feel were doing everything we can to reach into the communities, understand what opportunities there are to connect with the residents a little bit more through that program. The next section is the ongoing construction monitoring and coordination that we undertake. Were in a pretty steady drum beat with Treasure Island Community Development Gro Community group, c. M. G. Peter in particular engages in a lot of site monitoring of the construction areas. This is kind of a good example of the presentation you saw last week. This is maybe a little dated, but of the mccollar road work, and the road work and upslope is a construction zone, but down slope is still a valuable natural area. So working with our partners at ticd and t. M. I. , we make sure that those arent spilling into the some of the valuable areas. Tree protection, tree removals when necessary, and tree relocations, c. M. G. , ticd definitely seek our advice, and i think we have a good working relationship with all of those entities. Wildlife survey programs. What we learned when we started implementing the h. M. P. In 2011, there wasnt a lot of data, that several seasons, several years quantitative data. So over the last several years, several purchase orders, weve contracted with josiah clark to fill in that data about wildlife on the island. I think josiah has spoken to the board before. Were starting to fill in his data, which is very helpful, starting to make Decision Making about species, about improvement projects, and also just understanding the health of the habitat. You know, the more species that we want to see, the more native species, the more migratory species, the more we know were going in the right direction on the island. We have started working with cal academy, understanding the shorelines, y. B. I. , the shore at clipper cove. Theres general understanding of the type of species, but regular seasonal data is what were seeking with cal academy, so after a season of that work, well be bringing that back for probably an informational item, as well. The third item were happy to continue using is t the inaturalist app. They can use it anywhere in the world. They can take a picture of the fauna, and if they know what it is, they can enter it and it goes into this database of floral and fauna around the world. I can say the inaturalist app, which i found out by participating, its actually one of the best apps there is. So everybody should have it. If you want to identify what types of insects or trees or birds, thats the app to have. I know theyre still developing functionality, if youre not sure of the species, you can take a picture where its then able to be validated by different subject Matter Experts on the platform. Showing here is a screen, if you go t to inaturalist inaturalist. Org, you can see the charts and tables and data of all the naturalists on the app, again reinforcing that data from the public youll hear me using the phrase, citizen scientists. Its certainly valid in todays age of technology and phone apps where its a lot more easily verifiable than it was from hearing with someone who said they saw this bird out there at this particular time. Certainly, the inaturalist app is something that we continue promote, as well. The bioblitz, its a threehour event where different members spread out across the island, using the app and observations to capture data during that period of time. We will be having our Fourth Annual in april of 2020. We hold it in the spring and well make sure that Everybody Knows about it, and hopefully, you can join us. Switch from fauna into flora, you heard it referenced in peters discussion last week, an Important Development in the developer that were seeking to develop with other partners that are coming on board is the Yerba Buena Island plant p palette. Its a pallete, its a database, 72 y. B. I. Plants that still exist on the island. Overall, theres close to 110, 120 native y. B. I. Plants overall, but the pallette show what is native on the island. The goal is to have all natives, obviously, on the island. Sometimes different elements of project planning or certain area of implementations dont allow us for that absolute level of purity, but again, having that resource that peter does a great job on managing and developing helps us go a long way for giving us the tools that we need to keep that action in place. Native plant salvage and propagation is something thats important to yerba buena gardens. The ticd has with l. E. J. , legislature for environmental justice. Several years ago there was a large scale salvage timed with the operation to get as many plants salvaged, to get as many seed stock salvaged from Yerba Buena Island as possible as l. E. J. Was started to ramp up with ticd. Obviously, hyperplanting from genetic plants helps assure that the quality and the quantity of the different type of natives that l. E. J. Is growing back to ticd, that they are able to accomplish that. When Construction First started, there was kind of a large scale salvage operation that commenced, and we do still work with the developer regularly on salary vavage, bu more spot or work areas expanded into, well work with the developer and l. E. J. And s. F. E. To conduct that salvage as is appropriate, as well. And where do those plants go after theyre salvaged . They go to l. E. J. S onisland native plant nursery. Its primary operation is to hold, propagate and grow the native plant stock that l. E. J. Will be delivering back to ticd. They also do some at their facility in the southeast. The onisland nursery has been success. Its also served as a great stewardship location and also, its hosted field trips from the Life Learning Academy and the job corps and getting into just the facility in general for a second, you can see this is a picture of their overall operation. Peter will speak to a little bit of this when he kwcomes up but part of the citys biodiversity and greening of San Francisco all point back to if were going to have more natives, more demand will require more supply. And does it make sense for the city and even projects like this to look at the viability, the feasibility eventually of native plant nursery operations, whether its additionally supporting existing partners in the city, like l. E. J. , if its working with existing functions like those at the presidio or if its looking at potentially considering on island applications. So those are some of the things that somebody in the back of your mind, when i get into it in a second, the ongoing plant management, and the manage mtd thmtd management that will be coming back to ticd eventually. Basic plant Management Plan is one of the ongoing o. N. M. Functions thats always going to be sort of a tida responsibility or sort of the successor as just sort of longterm o. N. M. Functions. That are now tidas to continuing the management in. The the just to give you an example, this could come back at some point
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