Meeting id 26645312704 and the webinar password is 1234. Please insure you are in a quite location, speak clearly and turn off background sounds. Wait for the item you would like to address to be called. When prompted press star 3 to be added oo the queue. The system will notify you. Callers will hear silence when waiting to speak. Operator will unmute you. Callers have the standard three minutes to provide Public Comment. You may watch live at www. Sfgovtv. Org. Item 1, roll call. President nakajo. Present. Vice president morgan. Present. Commissioner Catherine Feinstein has been excused. Commissioner fraser. Present. Commissioner collins. Present. Chief of Department Jeanine Nicholson. Present. President nakajo will now read the land acknowledgment. Thank you very much. Good morning. Thank you madam secretary. The San FranciscoFire Commission we acknowledge that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the Ramaytush Ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the San Francisco peninsula. As the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions, the Ramaytush Ohlone have never ceded, lost nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. As guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. We wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors and relatives of the ramaytush community and by affirming their sovereign rights as first peoples. Madam secretary. Thank you. Item 2, general Public Comment. Members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the Commission Jurisdiction that does not appear on the agenda. Speakers shall address remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or Department Personnel. Commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with the speaker. The lack of response by the commissioners or Department Personnel does not necessarily consitute agreement with or support of statements made during Public Comment. Madam secretary, is there any member of the public that wishes to comment at this time . There is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the public call in line. Thank you very much. Public comment is closed. Item 3, approval of the minutes. Discussion and possible action to approve the Meeting Minutes of july 26, 2023. Any Public Comment on this item . There is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on the Public Comment in line. Public comment is closed. Any questions or discussion from the commissioners . I will need a motion colleagues on this. So move. Second. That was moved by commissioner collins and seconded by commissioner fraser. [roll call] the motion is unanimous. Item 4, report from chief of Department Jeanine Nicholson on current issues, activities and events within the Department Since the Fire Commission meeting on july 26, 2023, including budget, academies special events communication and outreach to other Government Agencies and the public and report from operations deputy chief Darius Luttropp on overall Field Operations including greater alarm fires, Bureau Fire Prevention and investigation, training within the department and Airport Division, and report from ems and Community Paramedicine, deputy chief saundra tong on the ems and Community Paramedicine divisions. Thank you very much madam secretary. Good morning chief nicholson. Good morning president nakajo, Vice President morgan, commissioner fraser, commissioner collins. Command staff. Im your fire chief Jeanine Nicholson and this is my report since our last Commission Meeting. So, you may or may not notice that a lot of city hall is on vacation, so that allows for us to really get down to work and get a lot of things done and so, there is a lot of work going on at headquarters right now, but ill tell you a little about what happened in my world the last couple weeks. Assistant deputy chief buferred and i met with the Healing Village collaborative, which is leaders in the black community in San Francisco addressing the fentanyl crisis. So, we had a good meeting with them and i have been in touch with the woman who ran that, Felicia Jones and trying to get a meeting set up so they can hear more about what our Community Paramedic teams do. I thought it was a good meeting, and thank you chaef buford for attending with me. We had fire fire Appreciation Night at the giants game last monday, and we had one of our very own kat boston single the national anthem, she did a great job and had another firefighter recognized for his horoic in the water rescue last month and there were multiple departments there as well and santa cruz Fire Departments there and they honored a member who died of cancer this past year. But we didnt win. Anyway, apec is stillit is a very big deal. The Asian Pacific economicit isnt conference, but anyway, that is coming in november with over 40 heads of state, both the prez dnlt and Vice President will be here. Chief brown, chief tong and others have been working very hard on our part in terms of what we need to do, and theres a lot. There is a whole lot. We have been meeting with other departments and plenty Law Enforcement including secret service and it is going to have a large impact on the city physically because they will close down some parts of the city for security purposes, but it is also a big lift for everybody, so everybody is doing their best and i thank them all and everyone who is on a committee, there is ton of committees, so everyone who is on a Apec Committee as well from our department, it is much appreciated. On friday chief luttropp and fire marshal kaufman and i met with the mta over at many in the mission. Many pulled together a bred breaking scenario for us and i thought it was a positive meeting, and we are finally getting some of what we need to get from them in terms ofwell see how it works out, but getting in way ahead of everybody else when some street change is going to happen. And we were able to see maps and just have a good conversation so i look forward to improving that sort of communication flow. And then really a big one, you may or may not have seen on monday chief luttropp and i were at the california puc testifying about Autonomous Vehicles, and cruz and wamo were there and i want to say chief luttropp did a great job and it was a mic drop ending for him, for us in terms of what he spoke about, and you know, its justwe have all seen it, it is just frustrating and when cruz and wamor are being disingenuous what is happening, so we said our piece, we have been doing what we can to tell our story and how these vehicles impact us and what chief luttropp talked about at the end after they talked about how great their safety records are is a incident that happened this past weekday where we had a crew fighting a car fire. I believe out by the legion of honor and a Autonomous Vehicle went around the engine and stopped right between the car fire and the engine, and you know, how would you feel if you were a passenger in that . He said it much more eloquently and but there was a gasp in the room at the time. Anyway, they keep saying everything is great and we just keep pointing to some of the challenges, and there is a good piece that just came out on nbc news about a vehicle stopping traffic on 19th avenue recently as well. We will continue to tell our story. There is however a vote i believe tomorrow and we will see what way it goes, and you know, im pretty sure what way it will go, but this is why we have the voting. The voting we have to see. Last night you may have seen we had a third alarm on 8th avenue and irving and it was a very challenging setup out there. Especially in the back of the building where several buildings came together and the construction was tough and there was a lot of hard work and a lot of looking for fire in the walls and our folks did a great job. No injuries and no loss of life obviously and just really really hard work and great coordination and again, im super proud of the folks out in the field doing the hard work and i will be heading to the Drug Market Agency Coordination Center meeting in about an hour with the mayor, so it right around the corner on market street, 11 55 market is where the Coordination Center is ask i can say there is a lot of work going on in the city to address the opiode crisis. There is huge Law Enforcement presence from local state and federal now and turning the screws to some folks and the word is on the wire out there that for folks that are selling is that the tl is too hot right now, so obviously this could be they are just going to displace people elsewhere, but if they keep their foot on the gas pedal, which they are going to do, hopefully we can see some significant change out there, because its been accountability has been the one piece that weve been missing a little bit and so now we are starting to see the impact of that. And then this saturday is the filipino parade celebration. I will not be in attendance. This is the first parade i will miss, but i hope to see that many of you are able to attend and that concludes my report. Thank you. Thank you very much chief nicholson. Madam secretary, any Public Comment on the chiefs report . There is nobody approaching the podium and nobody on our public call in line. Alright. Public comment is closed on the report. Any questions or comments from the commissioners to the chief at this point . Had Vice President morgan. Ill be quick. Morning chief. Thanks for your report. I was read in one of these reports that you guys are having collaborative meetings with crews and the other Autonomous Vehiclewhats the otherwao . Wamo. Ill let chief luttropp speak about that. What i can say we are having a few more meetings now that the press has been active and we have gotten them to meet with us, but chief luttropp. Good morning president , Vice President , indiscernible deputy chief Darius Luttropp. What we had in the past week or two weeks is the meeting the chief has been asking for in the past few months. We asked for technology and policy makers to meet with us. In a structured meeting with sfmta in attendance, we selected small groups of incidents and we were actually able to getane get in a room and see from the car perspect positive because all we had were reports from field staff, so we could kind of compare their understanding what was going on with their vehicles and our understanding what was going on with the vehicles and it was highly illuminating i hope on both sides and we could see the difference and the cultural gap that existed between us and from the meeting on monday and speaking to some of the people postmeeting, i hope these will continue. I think they will learn as much from us as we learn from them, and if it makes our operation safer for the city of San Francisco that is always the chiefs intent. That is great. It is a kep step in the right direction to compare notes and get this thing under control. So, i think that is a positive effort. Thank you god they are reaching out to you guys finally and maybe you guys can make headway. I know we cant avoid the future, but we can reel them in better like you are doing and it is definitely a concern, especially if they are interrupting emergency situations like you know, you guys have noted in the past. I know they will take a lot of jobs away. Thats what i dont like about them. Just my personal opinion you know, but i know we cant avoid the future to some extent, but yeah, i think the collaborative meetings will help greatly. I was just curious about that. Thank you chief luttropp. The other thing, we had the last month or two three big fires. Did we get anywhere with the investigation of how they started or all of them are still under investigation . I believe they are all still actively under investigation. Okay, there is no rumor of arson . We dont want to speculate and have it be incorrect and we dont want to entertain any rumors another. Our fire investigators are doing their Due Diligence and they were at the fire last night. I saw them there as well last night, so you have been busy. Yes. Yes. Okay. Alright, thats all i got. Thank you chief. Vice president morgan. Commissioner fraser then commissioner collins. Thanks for your report chief. Thank you very much. I want to say, first of all im really happy nobody got hurt last night. It was a big fire. Im just relieved nobody got hurt last night in the big fire and all the other fires. I guess what i want to say is, perhaps a point of personal privilege about Autonomous Vehicles, and that is, last night i was driving across town to attend the death of a friend, and it was late and coming back to my house, which i was coming mostly across town from the middle of the city through the east side of town where i live, and i was shocked at the number of Autonomous Vehicles i saw. This is like 11 30 ish, 12 oclock. There were so many. It occurred to me how they are compiling their safety data if they are skewinging towards driving around the city at night when there is very few people on the street and very few cars and i think that is a question i like to ask them. If they are collecting and skewing the data towards that. They will be fine out there because there is nobody around. I did see a couple problems crossing intersections and being confused with people kind of flailing around the streets. It makes me question their data in their regard. If i may commissioners, yes, they do havei think over twice as many vehicles out at night as during the day. And yes, that would certainly skew their data. The data looks good if that is how you compile it. Looks better i would say. Myself have written to the puc a couple times. There is a form on the website. Easy to do and encourage anybody listening and all of us to take advantage of that. It is very easy to do that. I just want to say too, thank you to all the people in our Fire Department who responded to the fires on my block of late and knocked them out very quickly. The whole neighborhood was so appreciative, felt cared for everyone was super professional of course, but i felt very proud to be a small part of that. How that happened. The point of personal privilege, the difficult situation with that house because it is two fires in the same home is emblematic of so much of what is wrong now and whats not working and so many departments telling not just me, but various people on my block, there is nothing we can do. To me that is unacceptable and the Fire Department did everything they can do, but there is reliance on other departments and its harmful to all of us and all of our departments if we are not able to do anything in a situation that is dangerous, neglectful, abusive all most, and im not going into a lot of detail, about we can talk about all this later. I do want to say the Fire Department has been super responsive and im grateful for that. Again, if i can say for clarification for those unaware, there have been Mental Health challenges with the neighbor that lives in that building, thus yes creating fires et cetera. But yeah, im glad that you were happy with all of us that responded there, so thank you. Thatser all, thank you chief and thank you all. Thank you very much commissioner fraser. Commissioner collins. Chief luttropp, i like to ask you if you would to expand a little more in the comment you made about the cultural gap between our view of the danger posed by Autonomous Vehicles and the Autonomous Vehicle companies. Thank you for the question. So, i mean i think it would take a little more time then maybe we want to do here, but i think at the basic it was a misunderstanding of our operational needs. The fact that they didnt know the distance that would be required for us to do work so their vehicles would pull far too close to our vehicles. The misunderstanding of our technological ability to communicate with the cars. They didnt know we are not able to get a cell phone out to call the Customer Service rep to make the change. If they asked early in the process we would have been happy to queue them in on what basic fire operations look like in the city of San Francisco and i think we might be in that place now. They hav