Historical, as far as i understand, yes, yeah, then ill allow myself, well, just, well, 30 seconds or one minute, a little historical background, dont you mind . Look how our relations began with ukraine, where ukraine came from, the fragmented russian state became easy prey for the empire that chingez khan and his successors once created, came to russia, plundered almost all the cities, ruined them, the southern part , where kiev was, by the way, some other cities, they simply lost independence, the southern part of the russian lands, including kiev, it began to gradually reach out to another magnet, to the center that was taking shape in europe, it was the lithuanian, grand duchy of lithuania, initially the word ukrainian meant that. Lives on the outskirts of the state at the edge or engaged in the border service, in fact, this did not mean any special ethnic group. Well, the poles did everything they could to polish and, in principle, treated this part of the russian lands quite harshly, if not cruelly. All this led to the fact that this part of the russian lands began to fight for their rights and wrote letters to warsaw, demanding that their rights be respected so that they would send people here, including to kiev, when i already lost this, when it was, in what years . Century , it was, it was in the 1314th century, so. In the 13th century, it was in the 13th century, which means ill now say what happened next, ill name the dates so that there is no confusion, in 1654, a little previously, even the people who controlled power in this part of the russian lands turned to warsaw, i repeat, with the demand that people of russian origin and orthodox faith be sent to them. When warsaw, in principle, did not answer them and practically rejected these demands, they began to turn to moscow so that moscow would take them for itself, russia did not agree to accept them right away, because it proceeded from the fact that a war with poland would begin, thats all. After all, in 100 e 640 54, the zemsky sobor was a representative of the authority of the ancient russian state, the decision was made, this part ancient russian lands became part of. Went to russia, the entire right bank of the dnieper remained with poland, and then during the time of catherine ii, russia returned all its historical lands. Including the south, the west, this all continued before the revolution, after the revolution of 1917, the bolsheviks tried to restore statehood, a civil war broke out, including with poland, peace was signed with poland in 1921, according to which the western part is on the right bank the dnieper again went to poland. In 1939 after poland collaborated with hitler, and poland collaborated with hitler, and hitler offered everything in the documents we have in the archives, he offered to conclude peace with poland, a treaty of friendship and alliance, but demanded that poland give back the so called germany. And you say, one can ask that parts of ukraine have actually been russian lands for hundreds of years, why then, when you became president , you just didnt take them 24 years ago, you had weapons there, i dont know why you took so long then weve been waiting, ill tell you now, im finishing the historical certificate, it may be boring now, but it explains a lot, it is not boring, but then i am very pleased that you appreciated it so much, thank you very much. So, when poland collaborated with germany, it refused to comply with hitlers demands, but nevertheless participated with hitler in the division of czechoslovakia. But, since she didnt give up the dantsevsky corridor, they still forced her, the poles forced her, they played too hard and forced hitler to start the Second World War, precisely with them. Why did the war begin on september 1 , 1939, specifically with poland . She turned out to be intractable. Hitler had no choice. When implementing his plans to start with poland, by the way, and the soviet union behaved, i read archival documents, behaved very honestly, and the soviet union asked for permission from poland to send its troops to the aid of czechoslovakia, but through the mouth of the then minister of Foreign Affairs of poland it was said that even if soviet planes fly towards czechoslovakia through the territory of poland, they will shoot down. In the great patriotic war, as we say, this is the Second World War, all these the territories were finally assigned to russia, to the soviet union, and poland , as compensation, it must be assumed, received the western and original german territories, the eastern part of germany, part of the lands, these are the western, western regions of poland today, and of course, i again returned the exit. At the same time, stalin insisted that these republics that were formed should be included as autonomous entities, but for some reason the founder of the soviet state, lenin insisted that they have the right to secede from the soviet union, and also, for unknown reasons, endowed the emerging soviet ukraine with lands that were given to the people who lived in these territories, even if they had never been named before. Ukraine, for some reason, during its formation, all this was merged into the ukrainian ussr, including everything at the black sea, which was received during the time of catherine ii. Why didnt you talk about this for the first 22 years of your presidency . So, this means that soviet ukraine received a huge number of territories that never came to it at all had no relation, first of all, under chernomod, they once, when russia received them as a result of the russianturkish wars, were called novorusiya, so, but this does not matter, the important thing is that. Lenin, the founder of the soviet state, created ukraine is exactly like this. This means that all this, over the course of many decades within the ussr, the ukrainian ussr developed, and the bolsheviks, too, for unknown reasons, were engaged in ukrainization there, well, not only because there were immigrants from ukraine in the leadership of the soviet union, but in general, there was such a policy, indigenization, indigenization, it was called, this applied to ukraine and other union republics. The time of stalins reign is called the stalinist regime, everyone says that there were many violations of human rights, violations of the rights of other states, then in this sense, of course, it is quite possible, well, if not to say that they have the right to return it these lands are theirs, then in any case it is clear, they told orban, they told orban about this, that he can return. Part of the lands of ukraine, never said, never, not once, with us there werent even any conversations with him about this, but i know for sure that of course, the hungarians who live there, of course they want to return to their historical homeland, moreover, ill tell you a very interesting story now, ill digress, but this is a personal story , i mean, somewhere in the early eighties , men in threepiece suits in black suits, three in top hats in black, are sitting in a car from. Houses, i say are these some kind of artists . They tell me no, these are not any artillery, these are hungarians, i say, what did they do here . Like what . This is their land, they live here, all the names, in soviet times, the eighties, they kept, they keep. I suspect that from several components , there were several reasons, to think that everything would be fine, first, well, firstly, i think that the russian leadership proceeded from the fact that the fundamental foundations of relations between russia and ukraine, in fact a common language, are there 90 spoke russian too much, which means there are family ties, everyone there, everyone has like. Some kind of family ties, one way or another, friendly ties , a common culture, a common history, finally, a common religion, all these are such fundamental things, common existence within a single state for centuries, all these are such fundamental things, the economy is very strongly interconnected, which means it all lies at the heart of the inevitability of our good relations, first, second very important, i want you as american citizens and that your listeners, viewers about. To cooperation and alliance, thats what russia expected from both the United States and the socalled collective west as a whole , there were smart people, including in germany, egan bahr was such a Major Political figure in the social democratic party, who insisted, personally in conversations with the soviet leadership, before the collapse of the soviet union, said that it was necessary to create new security system. Ran, before that yeltsin went to the usa, remember, he spoke in congress and said wonderful words, america, yes, he said all this, these were signals, well, let us in, no, when the events began in yugoslavia, immediately before this yelitsin was praised, praised as soon as the events in yugoslavia began, when he raised his voice for the serbs, and we could not help but raise our voices for the serbs in their defense, i understand, we were there. Yeltsin expressed support for what the United States did, in violation of International Law, the un charter, and began the bombing of belgrade. The United States let this genie out of the bottle, moreover, when. Russia objected and expressed its indignation, which was said, the un charter and International Law are outdated, now everyone refers to International Law, but then they began to say that everything is outdated, everything needs to be changed, something really needs to be changed, because the balance of power has changed, this is true, but not in that way, but nevertheless, yes, by the way, they immediately started throwing mud at yeltsen, pointing out that he was an alcoholic, didnt understand anything, didnt make sense. In the next room, i told him, asked a question listen, bill, what do you think if russia raised the question about joining nato, do you think this is possible . Suddenly he said you know, this is interesting, i think so, but in the evening, when we met with him, already for dinner, he says you know, i talked to my people, from my team, no, no, this, this is now , its impossible, you can ask him. why did we receive such a negative answer , you ask your leaders, i cant speak for them, i can only guess why the country is too big with its own opinion and so on, and the United States, well, i saw how they decide questions in nato, ill give you another example now, regarding ukraine, the us leadership insisted that all nato members vote obediently, even if they have something to do with it. I dont like it, now ill tell you in this regard what happened with ukraine in 2008, although this is being discussed, i wont tell you anything new here, nevertheless, it means that then after that we tried. To build relations in different ways , well, for example, events took place in the middle east, in iraq, which means that we very softly, calmly built relations with the states, and i repeatedly raised the question that the United States should not support neither separatism nor terrorism in the north caucasus, but they continued to do it anyway, political support, information support, financial support. Support, even military support came from the United States of its satellites in relation to terrorist groups in the caucasus, i once with my colleague, also the president of the United States, i understood this question, he says, but it cant be, you have proof, i say yes, i was ready for this conversation, and i gave him this proof, he looked, you know what he said, but im sorry, yes, but so it was, ill quote, he said, well, i ll kick their ass. Funny, okay, we understood that there would be no conversation, the opposition, the opposition to you, well, of course, in this case we meant the separatists, the terrorists who fought with us in the caucasus, thats what we were talking about, they call them, they called them, that means the opposition , this is the second point, the third point, very important, very important, this is. At the time of the creation of the system about the usa, the beginning, and we tried for a long time not to do this in the United States. Moreover, after i was invited to the father, bush the youngest, bush sr. , invited him to visit him on the ocean, and there a very serious conversation took place with president bush, with his team, and i suggested that. The usa, russia and europe jointly created a system about which, as we we believe that what is being created unilaterally threatens our security, despite the fact that the United States officially said that it was being created against missile threats from iran, which also justified the creation of the tr. I suggested that the three of them work russia, usa, europe. Create shock systems that will certainly overcome the pro system. Says the answer was this we are not doing it against you, but you are doing what you want, we proceed from the fact that it is not against us, not against the United States. Its funny, like in a kindergarten, its just, where are the guarantees, just, what kind of kindergarten is this, what kind of people are they, who are they, you see them or clicked on them, they wont agree, and then they say well, ukraine isnt will be in nato, you know, i say, i dont know, i know that you agreed in 2008, but why not in the future agree, well then they put pressure on us, i say, why dont i put pressure on you tomorrow, and you will agree again, well, some kind of nonsense, with whom . I just dont understand you, we are ready to talk, well, with whom, where are the guarantees, no, that means they began to develop the territory of ukraine, so that it wouldnt be there, i told you the background, how this territory developed, what kind of relations there were with russia, well there , every second or third had some kind of connection with russia, always had, and during the elections already in independent, sovereign ukraine, which gained independence as a result of the declaration of the southeast of ukraine, this is a large number of people, and it was very difficult to kill this electorate that had a positive attitude towards russia, which means that Viktor Yanukovych came to power , and how, the first time he won after president kuchma, they organized the third a tour that is not provided for in the constitution of ukraine, this is a coup detat, imagine, for someone . Didnt like it in the usa, well , there was a dispute between in 2014, no, before, no, no, this happened before, that means after president kuchima, that means he won the elections yanukovych, Viktor Yanukovych, but his opponents did not recognize this victory, the United States supported the opposition and appointed a third round, what is this, this is a coup. In the usa they supported him, he came to power as a result of the third round, imagine that in the usa , someone didnt like something, they organized a third round, which is not provided for in the constitution, but nevertheless they did it there, okay, he came to power viktor yushchenko, who was considered a prowestern politician, good, but we established relations with him, he went to moscow on visits, we went to kiev and i went, met in an informal setting. A free trade zone, open customs borders, and ukraine, by this association, had to open its borders to europe with a flow of everything to our market, we said, if not then it wont work out, then we will close our borders with ukraine, customs borders, yanukovych began to count, how much ukraine will gain, how much it will lose, i declared my counterparty in europe, i have to think again before signing, as soon as he said, there was one enterprise there that produced components for the final assembly in russia and ukraine , on the contrary, there were very close ties , so they carried out a coup detat, although we, because of the United States, i wont go into detail now, which i consider incorrect, but still it was said that you will calm down yanukovych there , and we will calm the opposition, let everything go the way, the way. Political settlement, we said, okay, we agree, lets do this. Edinokovich did not use, as the americans asked us, either the armed forces or the police, and the armed opposition in kiev carried out a coup. What does it mean . Who are you anyway . I wanted to ask the then leadership of the United States . Supported by. The cia, of course, is an organization in which, as i understand, you once wanted to work, maybe, thank god, they didnt hire you, although this is a serious organization, i understand, my former colleagues, in the sense that i worked in the first main directorate, this is the intelligence of the soviet union, they have always been our opponents, well, work is work, but technically they did everything right. Achieved what they wanted, changed power, but from a political point of view in terms of perspective, this is a colossal mistake, and here, of course, the Political Leadership did not complete the work; they should, the Political Leadership should have seen what this would lead to. So, in 2008, the doors were opened ukraine to nato, in 2014 they carried out a coup detat, and those who did not recognize the coup detat, and this is a coup detat, began to be persecuted. Coup in ukraine, by the way, representatives of three european countries, germany, poland and france, came and were guarantors of the signed agreement between the yanukovych government, between yanukovych and the opposition, signed theirs, put their signatures as a guarantor, despite this, the opposition carried out a coup detat, all these countries pretended that they did not remember anything about the fact that they were the guarantors of a peaceful settlement, they immediately threw it into the oven, no one remembers. I dont know if the us knows anything about this agreement between the opposition and the government and about the guarantors, three guarantors, who instead of returning everything all the whole. For a decade, dont do this, dont do that, and then what to do as a trigger in in recent events, well, first of all, todays leadership of ukraine has stated that it will not implement the minsk agreements , which were signed, as you know, after the 2014 event in minsk, where a plan for a peaceful settlement in donbass was outlined, no, the leadership of today. The Ukrainian Foreign minister is all there the rest of the officials, and then the president himself , stated that they did not like anyth