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I think one of the biggest misconceptions about prison is that we are harsh enough and not we need to be tougher. Weve conditions, longer sentences. And that this will encourage people to not want to commit crime by history has shown us time and time again. That is approach just doesnt work. And if we look at the countries who have tough assistance, i also have the highest recidivism, right . They have the highest deaf, right . Because when we trade in people badly and given them not access to the tools they need through education technology, good health care. When not enabling them to want to become better members of the community for when they are released. And why were teaching people how to survive in prison. We simultaneously teach them how to foul in society. All right, lets make, i guess hello, fresh c m pierre and plays. I had good to have you on the stream and get your you to introduce yourself like level audience. Tell them what your connection is to prison fritzy you start. Hi, thank you for having me on the show. My name is fritzy horseman, im the founder and executive director of the compassion prison project. And our mission is to create trauma, inform prisons and communities in the United States and throughout the world. Pia fits are happening. Please introduce yourself to the stream audience. Yeah, hello everyone, my name is b a book and from finland, im forensic psychologist and psychotherapist and i used to work 10 years as a prison psychologist. And now i work as a project manager in the Central Administration of our present system in our project called smart present project. Thank you so much looking forward to hearing more about that and then hello teresa. Good to see you. Please introduce yourself to a global audience. Thank you very much and her low to everyone. My name is to refund your real gave from kenya. Im the founder and ceo of a social enterprise called clean thought. We walked and power to be open, dignity to in prison, and put money in pregnant women and back children. All right, you met the gas and if youre watching right now youre on youtube, you can be part of the conversation as well. Speak to, i guess. Suppose your question or your comment, be part of todays show. I want to start with teresa and, and, and get this thought about your concept of what a prison is bad to do. Then takes us along to them. What shall prison culture be like to raise a you have an inside view because of an unfortunate incident that happened to you. That meant that you experienced prison in kenya. Tell us more. And what did you say . Very inhumane condition, lack of dignity, it tears you a pot. I remember the day i left prison, i was relieved and i was happy that i was leaving that crash environment. That was very difficult for my daughter in i. But the truth of the matter is that very soon, i realized that the happiness and the relief faded away. But that years then mon of trauma continued post imprisonment. The prison crashes you, its like long trauma and it just to humanizes you. So im going to say site away before i would, it stops commenting the view of putting to prison for a misunderstanding. It took you a long time to play your name. But while you were trying to play a name, you experienced the prison culture in kenya at them just bringing fritzy here at 70 in the United States. Theres of a punitive idea of what prison is that to do for it. See why do you disagree with that . Are the people who are coming to prison, who have committed crimes or maybe innocent . Most of them have had incredible trauma growing up, growing poverty, growing in violent neighborhoods, growing with parents that are so stressed out that are taking out their frustrations out on their children. And when youre a traumatized child, its very difficult to learn to be social to function in the world. And sometimes though your only options are eventually is to commit a crime. And so when they go into prison, they are treated similarly as they were when they were children in their neighborhoods, in their schools and by their parents. And so instead of rehabilitating them, theyre subjected to more trauma and more adversity. And then theyre not allowed to heal from what got them there in the 1st place. Hey, i want to show you this headlight that makes me smile, but theres some real truth behind it. Open prisons in finland are like a holiday camp, but they seem to work. What is holiday camp like with the prisoners that youve worked in peer . Why were people say that and, and why does finland have a different approach to incarcerating prisoners . I so infinity that we have both a close presence and the so called open prisons. So the idea is that once the prisoner has been in the close prison and has gotten rehabilitation, ah, he or she is ready to enter more organ prison environment. And its very important to go in display step by step closer to the norm of society, to the practices and activities of the normal society. So in open prison, prisoners can study and work outside of the prison and they are come back to the prison at then in the evening. So by her, during the day time, they are supposed to participate in activities outside the prison. The im, im going to give out with her an example of what that looks like. So this video comes from finlands criminal sanctions agency. And what you see here is a prison. He has an appointment at i see no boss lets, lets play the video because, you know, i want to see it. So this, this is somebody whos incarcerated. And in his day he has an appointment. He goes out and about hes not wearing a prison uniform. He has his appointment and then he gets himself back to prison at the end of the day p. How does this what . Because why wouldnt he just go ok, bye. Not go back to prison today. I think our model works in re will and we are internationally known that our, our system works well. And old studies show that the puny geek approach is not working. So our model at ease made to re, to really reduce recidivism and have prisoners re integrate back to the society. And i think we are succeeding. I want to land on this idea of trauma fritzy because this is something that is really important with compassion, prison project. And, and theres a really important film cold step inside the circle that has been seen so many times. It resonates with educational of facilities with a prism facilities. Tell us a little bit about the film because im going to show a clip where the incarcerated people that youre talking to, a stepping inside a circle to just set up. What are we about to say . And why were about to see 235. 00 men step inside the circle for each traumatic event that they experienced in their childhood, from violence in the home to sexual abuse, to physical abuse. Emotional abuse and parents are caregivers, addicted to drugs or alcohol traumatic brain injury, which isnt on the original Adverse Childhood Experiences quiz. But its a, its one of the keys about up to 80 percent of the people in prison have traumatic brain injury. Damage to your prefrontal cortex, which is where all these decisions, these great decisions, ability to learn, negotiate follow instructions, reside. But if youre not in your prefrontal cortex, if youre in survival, youre not able to make these decisions comply with orders. So when you see this circle, youll see people stepping in for what happened to them when they were children and where always, just one last thing where all we and then all of ro, the video where are we got the name of the present . Oh, im so sorry. Its in lancaster prison in california. Its also called los angeles community, Los Angeles County prison. All right, lets take a look while you are growing up during your 1st 18 years of life. Yes, a parent or other adult in the household often or very often would swear a do insult. You put you down or humiliate you, step inside the circle as a parent or other adult in the household often or very often push to grab, slapped or threw something at you. Step inside the circle. Imprisoned, youre not supposed to show your weakness imprisoned on what to, to want to do, to walk in their circle like and take each step forward. Was a reminder to ourselves that we still havent humanity and we werent, wed be loved on most people now. Sorry, i dont understand it, we want to change, so we can bring it to Society Better than what we live for. See how just listened to those incarcerated men. Help us understand a different kind of prison system. They need help. They need help. Daniel, who was talking right there, he went through unimaginable circumstances, both before he got to prison. And while he was in prison from being abused by as in foster care, being sexually assaulted, hitting bite with 2 by fours in his head. This man is such a glorious man, but hes had so much to overcome that the odds were stacked against him and the odds are stacked against most of the people in prison. And when we shift from annihilation and dehumanization to compassion and safety, making, the men feel safety and the women feel safe so that they can get back to their cortex. Were going to change the prison system. I paused on my laptop on a tad told that teresa did. Its called what i learned serving time for crime, i didnt commit to raise a what is this scene . What are we seeing here . Women ah, in one of the largest correctional facility. Ah, here in kenya, coming together he is the hold in don, because this is how they come alive. Admitted how they remind of them felt of the good time before they got locked in and trying to make some, you know, meaning out of the, the hash conditions that they have to endure while theyre feeling prism. So when you got out of prison, you vowed to help women and children also who was sometimes put into prison as well because a mother zoe, and imprison, help them survive that experience and then move on. Why would you start in terms of improving the situation that they ended up in when they were incarcerated . How do you rethink the prison sent system in kenya . 90 percent of people in prison will definitely be released to come back into the sac and reign to great and continue with their lives and dissolving over a 2nd chance in a country where poverty very rates are very high. You know, we do not have enough equip, corporate unity. Income generating opportunities are very difficult to come by opportunities that difficult to come by and pick my very high for people who are coming out of prison. So its really difficult to try and get 2nd chances for women and children who are rebuilding the light post imprisonment for a lot of walk. Id okay thing and asking the culprit was fine believe faith based organizations in the community at lad membrate, those who are coming out of prison. And i must say that in a country where weve criminalized property because thats exactly what weve done. Its the law, its a bond rebel, its the marginalized and a very weak amongst asking for fact, who end up in presence in kenya, you will not find those who i reach and of mean in prison. In a country where weve criminalized property, we really need to do the decrease like human pain. You know, im investing people or not increase on because were really pushing them farther down by sending them to prison, protect your friends. And were really looking at the, classifying the expect your faces so that, you know, we can give better opportunity and look at better ways of resolving fresh economic issues. Because were trying to resolve the issues it through pre on. And you know, we cannot to his breathing to relieve the responsibility. Oh, okay. Surely. Economic need a proof of that not for that reason. Im meant to keep up the clock at the faith, you know, but when were taking the pool and the week, id like to say that we cannot read, prosecute conflict and imprison our way out of a socially shoot. I have so many questions for you. Guess 50, you go fast and im not, im going to show all these questions as they stand by get to the question fits it, go ahead. I just wanted to say that gandhi said, violence is the worst, is a poverty is the worst form of violence. And thats what were dealing with here. The people in prison, 85 percent of the people in prison, cant afford a lawyer. They, when theyre, when theyre at trial, what makes you think they can afford anything in prison, much less expensive phone calls and commissary thats overpriced. And so what were doing is were taxing the poor, were punishing the poor for not being able to afford a lawyer. And thats one of the injustices that starts at the beginning. And, but i have to say the criminal Justice System and the retribution that happens in our society is based on fight or flight when youre, when something is wrong, we wanna, we want to react and, and fight back. But were not in our cortex. Were not here, were good decisions are made. So we need to take a deep breath and instead of saying whats wrong with you to the incarcerated, say what happened to you and then youll find out its a life time of trauma. And that this trauma needs to be healed. P r, i have some a lot security and questions about whats happening in finland. Mark see little says, scandinavian countries dont seem to be full of prisons packed to the brim. So thats an observation. Well, not yet. Theres punishment and theres being cruel to people. So he sees that theres a lack of cruelty in the way that you incarcerate people peer your thoughts. Yeah, i think we are, are quite far in developing these rehabilitative prison system. So prisoners are provided quite a lot Rehabilitative Services during prison time. And we are also interested in the so called trauma informed approach in our present practice. So we very well known that prisoners have very traumatic i crowns. The latest project i had was actually in a womens prison and i know that women inmates, even warren and men have very traumatic backgrounds. Theres a lot of abuse, sexual abuse, and we really have to try to provide them a secure environment during prison time. So that they could heal from their past experiences and the criminal lifestyle in itself is also very traumatic, abusive, very high stress life. So it, it just repeats trauma and prison is not supposed to repeat trauma. Ah, that, that is, that is what i think. And a respect, oh, a humane way is out of all staffs approach to our prisoners including prison officers. So or stanley is supposed to participate in the rehabilitative work. So im getting some pushback here, i guess, to your humane approach to prisons. So another, an earlier comment, send them to do hard labor in siberia, another Youtube Comment right here may prisons are changing environment. So people dont want to go there. I am wondering pierre, of with this a humane approach to prison in finland. What does the public think . What about victims . Oh, of course theres a lot of opinions about our system to an o. So inside of our society, but i want to say that or research or says that de punitive approach, it doesnt work or it just skip mathias east prisoners more and it will increase their recidivism their risk of recidivism. Ah, if you have that kind of a prism system, so also from the point of view of victims, i think its important that offenders are treated in a shimming way. That means that they have the possibility during decrease and time to take responsibility for one head. What they have done faced, the reality faced the reality of their behavior. But all this can be done in a therapist. Therapeutic way, i think. So its not about punishment. Its about making people understand and given them the opportunity to change so that there wont be more victims of i just want to show some pictures that you sent us earlier. Peer and, and its a hospital room. Its not here on my laptop. Im going to show you the pictures their own video, and its a, a room or like a dorm room. And it looks like youre at university of theres lots of nice knickknacks around. Can we play that video . Lets play it right now. At those 2 pictures back to back because its very different.