National security has again taken center stage on the president ial campaign trail. In response to last weeks attacks in france, contenders from both parties are having great policies. The neocons are back calling for enengagement in the conflict in syria, iraq and elsewhere in the region. It is not just republicans doing the preaching. Take a listen to what Hillary Clinton says should be done. Our goal should be to achieve the kind of penetration we accomplished with alqaeda in the past. This would help us identify and eliminate i. S. I. S. s command and control and its Economic Life lines. A more Effective Coalition air campaign is necessary, but not sufficient. We should be honest about the fact that to be Successful Air strikes will have to be combined with Ground Forces actually taking back more territory from i. S. I. S. Hillary clinton has joined the republican rival gentlemened bush and marco rubio and calling for dramic involvement in syria. All three call for increasing the number of u. S. Ground forces there. All of them support a no flan zone over northern syria, something obama has been unwilling to commit to in more than four years of conflict. At the same time almost all the candidates, all but one, still want to overthrow i. S. I. L. s biggest enemy inside syria, the regime of syrian president of Bashar Alassad. All policy prescriptions cooked up on the campaign trail, these come with a bunch of holidays big enough to drive a tank through. A know fly zone anywhere in syria would be useful for combatting i. S. I. L. Who has no aircraft. It would be better tool to shoot down Syrian Government aircraft but that might invite a clash with the Russian Air Force which backs the Syrian Government which is busy backing i. S. I. L. In syria as well as rebel groups threatening Bashar Alassad. The phenomenony in all of this follow eau in all of this is seen by donald trump. The best way is to coordinate with russia even if that means saying that the regime will stay on in syria. Ment holes in the policies are one, but the politics on the campaign trail are Something Else completely. Their decisiveness is in sharp contrast to president obama on syria and i. S. I. L. And that in the end plays very well with voters. More on that michael shaw. Is there any down side . Reporter coming out of the debate that was in des moines last saturday, a debate that people thought would be notioned almost primarily on paris, the attacks, i. S. I. L. , Foreign Policy, those sorts of things and it was just a little drop in the bucket of what they talked about. Coming out of that there was a demand that democrats articulate a position on this. There is a down side to it which is only if you dig really deep into what Hillary Clinton is saying. In terms of politics there seems to be only upside. Someone talking about something, a position about an issue that voters really want to hear about. They want to hear somebody be decisive and see somebody play in the same area, in the same play pen, play round, whatever word you want to use, as the republicans. Democrats want to see that. They dbt hear it from Bernie Sanders or even Hillary Clinton that night for her to go to the Foreign Relations and attack late a plan. I think that is important when you dig down and deep syrias civil war in the fight against i. S. I. L. Is more complex than one might think listening to Hillary Clinton. She is keeping everything simple. Is the main difference between policy and politics that may be the only difference. Dumbing it down, as she did with three. She made a list of the things she wants to do. Priorities. Youre speaking in a language that they can understand, not down to them, about an attention span, hearing so much about this. It is smart politics. Its politics that when john kerry was running for president and talking about Foreign Policy he was criticised for getting too much into the detail for plans and how to address things. Its a smart way for anyone to talk about things so that voters can absorb them and move on Hillary Clinton is on a tight rope with president obama she doesnt want to offend his supporters. Right now, i mean thats really the sort of the most fascinating part of all of this, is disagreeing with somebody. Be i disagree with you when i disagree with you, i have to once in a while, but when you are running from an administration, whoever you are, just an associated in the party as the president , you want to differentiate yourself from them. Barrack obama has taken heat. Hillary clinton has to take away from that. She said she wont relitigate the pass. She said there were times when she disagreed with the president , but she had to defer to his guidance also saying that we learned a lot since then. Some of the things that we believed then we dont necessarily have to believe now. Very important, but it is a tight rope because you do not want to alienate yourself from people who are loyal and devoted to obama she said she does not believe we should have a hundred thousand american troops in combat in the middle east. Noone is saying that. What is the point of creating a straw man so that sympathy can then knock it down . Its overt politics. Its saying something that doesnt exist, saying it sounds bad and have people say thats good if she disagrees with that. It is nuanced, an underhanded slap to the administration of George W Bush and the person who put all the troops in there originally. If she ask going to be running against jeb bush, the same toll particulars at the time, then she is saying differentiating herself but also saying that she is dead serious about this on the republican side there are debates over i. S. I. L. What to do in syria and what to do with syrians and muslims in the data base. Donald trump has said he would have a role in them. You ask how it cuts into a republican nomination. Until this year i would have said thats crazy. You cant say those things. This is atypical of any race. Donald trump atypical of any candidate. Can you imagine anybody else saying what trump said about a database, what he said about mexicans being rapists and coming into our country and getting away with it . If any of these people said it they would be out of the race. He sets up an us versus them. Its the language he is speak to his supporters. Even if he didnt come out with an initiative, he said it sounds like a good idea, its the kind of thing that is playing in this race but theres no precedent for it. Not hard to say whether its good, but for donald trump it seems to be michael shaw. Thank you. Have a great weekend. Politics is one thing. Policy is another where i. S. I. L. Is concerned. We will look at the reality of a no fly zone over syria. Syria. The front runner Hillary Clinton moves to the right in her approach to i. S. I. L. In syria. There is a difference between politics and policy. In the political world being more aggressive now in the wake of the paris attacks could serve clinton well, particularly in a general election next year, but in the policy world her plans for i. S. I. L. In syria could be a mixed bag. Turning to peter fhan president of fhen commune groups. He supports Hillary Clintons campaign and backs her campaign of no fly over syria. If we have a no fly zone and russian and syrian aircraft break it should u. S. Forces shoot it down . I dont think thats likely to happen. The plan that she has in place is to work with other groups to make sure that they are also part of this and to take out some of those i. S. I. L. Places especially in northern syria. So i dont foresee a dogfight as they say in the air with russian aircraft you would acknowledge that theres a clear difference between russias interest in syria. They want Bashar Alassad to stay and u. S. Wants him to leave. What happens in russian aircraft support Bashar Alassad break this no sflee fe fly p zone . That could be a problem if you have no communications between these aircraft, but the hope is that what you would see from the russians is the same thing that youd see from our Coalition Partners on this and that is to take out i. S. I. S. And to make sure that they dont have staging grounds, that theyre not moving a large amounts of in the case especially in other parts of the aarea oil out of there and to the black market. So you know i think what were talking about here is its not an Alliance Even an unholy alliance between us and the russians, but part of our goals are the same here and that is to get rid of i. S. I. S. And to stop their movement thats true, and im going to try to hammer you on this one more way. The goals may be somewhat the same, but the priorities are different. The big question is what is more important to democrats. Is it getting rid of Bashar Alassad or i. S. I. L. . You know, i have to tell you, to be honest about this, i think sell years ago he was clearly getting rid of bad. He was gassing his own people. He was a terrible dictator. It was a horrendous situation. I dont think anybody is up there on the democratic side cheering Bashar Alassad here, but at this point its a question of going after i. S. I. S. And making sure that that threat is taken care of and that Hillary Clinton says we destroy him and that we prevent them from spreading their venom not only throughout the middle east but obviously in france and western europe and even into the United States on that point, then, is there an openness between Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party that support of supporting her to say russians want Bashar Alassad to stay there in order to enlist others in targeting i. S. I. L. Bashar alassad can stay there but lets unify in order to target i. S. I. L. Does that make sense . Im not sure its quite going that far. I think that theres no question. Weve got issues with putin and the russians, absolutely, but i think what youre talking about is what is realistic policy at this time. Realistic at this time is that Bashar Alassad isnt going any place next week, but overall hope and the overall desire of u. S. Policy is that we have a stable country in syria that we dont have a government that gasses its own people, but that the immediate threat right now is definitely i. S. I. L. Thank you. Im going to try and trip you up here at the end. Im telling you that from the start. Its easesy to trip me up Hillary Clinton has said and she said in her speech that she has vast experience, but republicans have said look, travel experience is not the same as having success. So for you as a Hillary Clinton supporter, can you identify what you would say are three of her successes at secretary of state . I think that there is absolutely no question that her involvement in pulling us out of iraq, sending that up was key as secretary of state thats one theres no doubt in my mind in terms of economic policy, International Economic policy she was unbelievably strong as the secretary, and two sorry no. Youve named two. One more. You can do it. Yeah. Well, look, i think strengthen the relationships with western european allies was important too and involving them constantly in being a part of this. Were not a go it alone country. Folks felt with Hillary Clinton they were part and parcel of the world youve just done a better job of articulating that of Hillary Clinton has or some of other own top advisers. I think that gets to the points that republicans are making. A discussion for another day. Peter, always good to have you on the program. Thanks for joining us its a pleasure coming up i. S. I. L. Takes a page right out of the nazi propaganda play book. Our world what it is. I just had a horrible nightmare. My companys entire network went down, and i was home in bed, unaware. But that would never happen. Comcast business monitors my Companys Network 24 hours a day and calls and emails me if something, like this scary storm, takes it offline. So i can rest easy. What. You dont have a desk bed . Dont be left in the dark. Get proactive alerts 24 7. Comcast business. Built for business. I. S. I. L. s war reaches far beyond the battle field. The group also fights for recruits and its biggest weapon might be a sew aniesty indicated sophisticated machine. Reporter the attacks in paris were immediately seen on screens around the world, caught in this video published. Heard live during this sbn broadcast of a football match. Violence captured on video has become its own language. Translation you are the followers. It is followers. Reporter i. S. I. L. Has deployed that language endlessly. Professional looking videos like this one released a day after the attacks. Often with subtitles and news experts and flashy transitions. Reporter propaganda is not new, but it is becoming more effective it reached its nefarious period when gobels became the minister of propaganda for the nazi party. Reporter he says there are two Common Threads throughout history. It comes in two forms. One is raising the awareness for consciousness, the pay trow on theism pay trow on theism p arcs triotism, working towards the enemy to try to take away their will to win. Its both terror and celebration. Reporter i. S. I. L. s propaganda pursues those goals. Theyre trying to look good and appeal to recruits while also frightening their enemies. Its worth noting that u. S. Military recruitment videos use the same visual play book. They offer the chance for heroic and display the fire power of the united techniques the techniques they use are drawn from media. This is a video they put out in 2014. They go on to execute a pilot. In the leadup to interviewing him they do all these graphics that set up the story and theyre quite familiar. Later on when theyre actually talking to him, theres this sort of affect where they are both interviewing him and then zooming out on the maps above him. It looks very familiar. Thats because you see it all the time. For instance, in video games. Here is 2009 call of duty. Its a series of games, one of the most popular of all time. Its that flashing in on the map. Its worth noting here also that later in this game youre called upon to basically shoot up an airport, execute civilians, a whole crowd of them. You can get through the scene without actually doing this, but youre certainly given the opportunity to. Western media puts out this imagery all the time. The difficulty with this is i. S. I. L. Is actually doing this stuff, but its no wonder that their propaganda mirrors what we put out in the media. Its using many of the camera techniques, sound techniques, store Development Technical in particulars. Techniques. Were used to seeing this in our entertainment industry. At the same time it should be haunting to ourselves because noone more than the United States has, despite the objections of parents and School Teachers and psychologists and everyone else, noone about the United States has violence in cinema and movies. Reporter i. S. I. L. Is also following a very effective rule of publicity. Keep supplying the media with fresh info. Alqaeda put out only sporadic footage, but every week i. S. I. L. Offers something new for journalists to pick up. In a world steeped in our media, the difficulty for the audience is being able to tell the difference between fiction and reality the fight against i. S. I. L. Is escalating, not just on the battle field but also on line, computer hackers are going after i. S. I. L. On the web, groups like aanonymous. The activity on line is being chased by an editor, American Research from intelligence on terrorism. She joins us now. For security reasons she does not want us to reveal her location. We hear a lot about i. S. I. L. s use of social media and its often described as savvy, but how effective is it in your view. Is it really that good . It is the key cornerstone for their whole push in both militarily speaking and idea logically speaking the group aanonymous say theyre up for the challenge. They want to disrupt i. S. I. L. s activities. What would that look like . What could they do to block i. S. I. L. . In isnt new. Anonymous has been doing this for a long time. They declared war on the Islamic State almost immediately as soon as it producing mass propaganda on line. Their effectiveness is not much more than being able to keep the fan club busy in other words, what do you mean keep the fan club busy . It takes a lot of time to create a new twitter account, youtube channel, facebook. If youre constantly being taken down, youre also trying to keep coming back up. They do. They pop back up as soon as they are taken down. Their effectiveness in the fact that theyre keeping people busy that could be doing Something Else with their time, but otherwise theyre just playing wakam ole every time i. S. I. L. Pops up something you new it is knocked down. How does anonymous do that . They do it across board. They have cell strategy just like they do with other hacking things that they do. They have a Widespread Network worldwide that focuses on certain things. They have people focusing on report on the youtube, focusing on daily video sites and trying to get algorithms to pick