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ALJAZAM Consider This September 25, 2013

It took air crews to fight that blaze, Officials Say it is 70 contained up to 30 homes have been evacuated. A show down a slow down in home prices might actually prove positive for the economy. Two latest report shows that monthly prices grew less than expected in july, the reason, surging Mortgage Rates but it could mean the housing sector is getting back to normal. Thats the news at this hour, consider this is up next, i will see you back here at 11 00 eastern time. Check out our website for the latest news. To make peace withizeying ran. Consider this, will we see what the president called a long road toward a different relationship . Or will this new effort crash like others . Also an Egyptian Court bans the Muslim Brotherhood, will that cause another violent backlash . Is taylor swift is making tens of millions of dollars a year, so why are the overwhelming majority of musicians struggling to break even. Welcome to consider this. We begin with iran. The annual meeting of leaders held more intrigue than usual, when it seems as if the first meeting between the iranian and u. S. President since the revolution, might actually happen. Despite son till story worlds there was no rendezvous. As al jazeera reports after all the friendly tweets from iran, and an Old Fashioned pen pal relationship between the two, they couldnt manage to swing a hand shake at the u. N. Iran is the anchor of a stability in an otherwise ocean of regional instabilities. Iran poses absolutely no threat to the world, or the region. But the conciliatory words came in the midst of sharp criticism. The wildest and extreme actions such as the use of drones, against innocent peopled in name of combat and terrorism should also be condemned. An insistence that the program is for peaceful purposes. Nuclear weapon with and other weapons have no place in irans security and defense doctrine. Speaking earlier, president obama officially opened the doors to diplomacy. We are encouraginged that he received from the iranian people a manage date to pursue a more moderate course. The roadblocks may prove to be too great, but i firmly believe the path must be tested. President obama also announced that john kerry will try to start the dialog thursday, when he is scheduled to meet Iranian Foreign minister along with five other world powers. The foreign minister took to twitter to hail this historic opportunity to resolve the issue. But skepticism remains high. According to such officials they decline the overture to arrange an encounter. But it also meant he erased the most likely possibility of encounters president obama face to face. Courtney keeley, al jazeera, new york. Joining me now to talk about what is going on behind the scenes with u. S. And iran is hillary manolev rett. She is the author of going to tehran. She joins us from our washington, d. C. Studio. President obama didnt stay to listen to president s speech at the u. N. , instead he was at the big Clinton Foundation event in new york. But president made clear he did Pay Attention to president obama. I listeninged carefully to the statement made by president obama made today in the general assembly. A dominant voice has been repeatedly heard. The military option is on the table. Let me say loud and clear, that peace is within reach. What stood out to you about his remarks . Well, there is a difference, of course, between his remarks and those of his predecessor, the former president mac mood. But i dont think the substance is all that different. I think we have someone that is very experienced. They both have phds from western institutions. It was one of the most destructive negotiations that the United States has had. So i do think we have a historic opportunity in terms of the team we have from iran. I think it is very very important. What happened to the United States and the president over this threat to use force with with syria, which the president was not able to do, is very important. While it is being maligned here as a sign of weakness, it is critical that the United States does not really have the credibility use or threat of force just to wave around like it did in iraq or libya, this is something very important on the iranian side. Thats what they are focused on. You were not able to listen to him speaking, but you have watched some of the speech, what about his demeanor and the way hedy lived his speech . It does seem like a very substantial departure. I believe it was. A night and day per former president mans. This is not a person that is trying to shock the world with his words. And so far, the only thing that has caused surprise regarding the attention is the constructive things that he has said. I think to a certain extent, the most important thick that will happen this week, is what will happen on thursday, when he will be meeting secretary john kerry, and that seems to have kind of fallen in the shallows of the fact, that there was a missing hand shake today. But the meeting is quite historic, and i think theres a good chance that something constructive will come out of that. I do want to go there, but i want to talk more about his general demeanor in this speech. One thing he said tonight, just a little while ago, in an interview on cnn, he talks about accepting that the holocaust took place, something the former had constantly denied. Another very big depasture. Certainly, and i think he said himself earlier on, part of the purpose of him coming here is to make sure he shows irans true face, departing what was happening in the past eight years. Of course, at the end of the day, there has to be developments on the Nuclear Front in order for there to be a break through here, but i agree with hillary. The team that is in charge of the policy in iran right now, and is conducting Foreign Policy is a very experienced team, and has a very long history of having reached out to the United States. And have tried in the palestinian to forge a better relationship. I think it is because they do have a strategic applicant which they view between the United States and iran as a strategic necessity for the region as a whole. And again, talking about that attitude, i want to play a clip of the first english message to americans from that cnn interview. I would like to say to american people, i bring peace and friendship from iranians to americans. Hillary, i hate to keep harping on foreign rather than substance, its very hard not to receive he almost looked pastoral. There is an important difference from the previous at ministration . Iran, with this one, both in form and substance. But i caution against putting too much stock into the dramatic differences. We really risk a serious problem for the United States if we blame this on our demonization. This idea that he said that he was going to wipe israel off the map, and the holocaust never happened those were our mistranslations, our rhetorical flourishes. We make a really big mistake demonizing it all and putting it all on his lap, because t a tend f othe day, there are real differences, and they gave really different speeches tonight. Rue hanie took out a speech that was for constructive engagement. For diplomacy, for even difficult problems like syria. Obama gave a different speech, a speech that we are going to try diplomacy, but United States is still the exceptional power, and we will use force when we think it is necessary. They are very different world views and there is a difference in substance. That said, having negotiated with foreign minister and having met president ruhani, i do think we have a historic opportunity. But it isnt open ended. This team does not have a Carte Blanche in iran. Theres real accountability. There are elections and theres a domestic political scene that will make it not possible for negotiations just to be carried out indefinitely without any return for iran. In fact, the white house was amenable between the two today at the u. N. And it was the iranian whose studdled it. S that just a question of internal politics in iran . Just wouldnt play if they had had a meeting. Though i personally have to say im disappointed. I was hoping for a hand shake. What i think is happen is they know very well, there will be a political price to be paid for that hand shake. What i think is important that they have something con crease to bring back. Absent that, concession of whatever it is that they were looking for, they seem to be hesitant to go forward. Interesting thing is, from the american side it seems easy to give a symbiotic gesture, but quite difficult to give something of substance. On the iranian side, it seems like the symbolic gestures are more difficult to give. The hardliners are not let me give you a quote here, from the deputy chief of the Iranian Armed forces he said that freezes iranian assets downing a plane, sanctions and terrorism are only part of americas dark file in its relations with the slammic republic. Clearly, there are people who are not happy about what is going on right now. This is true, but i want to amplify, it is a very important point. The idea here in washington that iran would be happy, grateful, for a behind the corridor hand shake, really emphasizes the endurance of the iranian public. And then irans foreign minister at the United Nations in november 2001, right after 9 11, when we were talking the the iranians about afghanistan, there was a hand shake then, what happened then, president bush delivered the axis of evil speech. They need something concrete to take home, and perhaps this meeting and secretary kerry could give them just that. They are just stretching us along in order to be able to develop the nuclear weapons. Certainly a relief to some extent in israel. Certainly not buying the gestures lets listen to what he had to say. We will not be fooled behalf measures that merely provide a smoke screen. And they should not be fools either. A bad agreement was worse than no agreement. I think the latter quote reveals what it is. They believe that every agreement would be a bad agreement, and as a result, it is worse than having no agreement. Israelis know negotiating outcome will have to be a compromise. They will have to give something, but it will also get something. And that is from their perspective worse. Because your political situation in the region is now such that there is a clear diver jens from the israeli and the american, as well as from the saudi and american interests. And there is a concern that if there is a break through, that will come at the expense of the security interests and the relationship between israel and the United States. Now, as you both have mentioned on thursday, secretary of state will meet with irans foreign minister, he studies with former secretary of state and he tweeted early today that we have a historic opportunity to resolve the nuclear issue. You are both very optimistic that this is going to be a good deem, that this is going to be something that is very worthwhile. Because again, nobody has met with no Foreign Ministers have met the state secretary of state or an Iranian Foreign minister going back to 1979. You are both optimistic. Yeah, there was this meeting after 9 11, and there was a hand shake, so we have had it before. I am optimistic because it is inevitable. Are you optimistic too . I am hopeful. But i know it will take a tremendous amount of political will. This is not a technical issue, it has to emisson both sides. The problem as was pointed out is the window is extremely brief. If it isnt done in the next couple of months this opportunity will be lost. More than three decades of coming flick, lets he with with can make progress. Thank you both for coming on the show. An Egyptian Court has banned all activities of the Muslim Brotherhood. What does that mean for democracy in egypt . And what do you think our social media producer is fielding your questions she will bring them to us, please join the conversation on twitter at a. J. Consider this, or at our facebook and google plus pages. Well be right back. What had been egypts opening to democracy, closed earlier. That pending appeal, dissolved the Muslim Brotherhood, the same organization that took power through the ballot box last year. At least 1,000 supporters were kilted in july, egypts a leader of the brotherhood following protests where millions across the country demanding his ouster. Now a powerful new front line documentary follows the path from the protests that pushed president from power two years ago to military rule today. In a sharply divided fragile land. For more im very pleased to be joined by charles senate, correspondent from the Front Line Program and founding editor. Charles, appreciate you being with us tonight. The Muslim Brotherhood. Good evening. Talks about gradual reform. Before they were pushed from power, but many were things they were not happy about. This court ruling on monday, which may or may not stand, but if it does, it will drive the brotherhood underground. What do you think will actually happen . Will they go underground . As they had been for most of the 20th century. You know the ruling by this court, that a cabinet minister has actually decided to postpone that ruling but i think i reveals that there is an effort within the military rulers who are controlling egypt, to do precisionly what this court decided should be done, which is to ban the Muslim Brotherhood. They have a narrative that is very much about survival about sustaining through all these years and fighting for what they believe in. They they felt betrayed the e7 jinx character, the they paid the price for it. 20 Million People took the the streets on june 30th. And said they dont want this government led by it is the big question in the air right now. If this Court Decision does stand, and you factor in Everything Else and how the military have gone after the Muslim Brotherhood, some are in custody, if they do go underground, what do you see happening . You spend a lot of time in egypt. Are they going to go back to terrorism, could there even be a civil war . You know, the Muslim Brotherhood has claimed it has rejected violence. Ore eegyptian slammic jihad, who reject democracy. Whether you like them or not, clearly most egyptians didnt like them. Didnt they resort to violence after the military deposed them . They were protesting the detention of what they felt was the democratically elected president. I feel very comfortable defending the Muslim Brotherhood. Failed governance, i dont want to do that, but i do think it is important for the American Public to understand how it is viewed. And that is that the Muslim Brotherhood is not going to go away any time soon. They are a powerful force, politically. They were democratically elected to 40 of parliament. They won the presidency, so the idea that you can push them under ground and they will go away i think whether you support their ideas or not, it is just impractical. You show how they play a big role. What happen to those people that relied on the charity if the organization gets banned. As a party that will operate that they will cling to this victim narrative, where they will say the powers that be, dont want us in charge, but we will continue to serve the poor people through kindergarten, through health clinks through all the services. But i think some of that game is up. I think many many egyptians admired the social services. Which is they are not inclusive of women. They did not protect the christian minority. They gave too much power to the military. And it was a failure. That i think is almost indisputen. I have talked to Muslim Brotherhood members who wont put up much resistence, when you say this is a failing government. What really needs to be sorted as they move towards this underground movement. They are trying to reorganize, and the idea that you can crush them as he tried to for so many decades. It is part of an egyptian society, that believes in their long term goals. Iranian think it ii think e for anyone watching egypt, and the desires to become democratic to think you can just take a part of the country that had 40 of parliament, and said you can no longer have any part of this. I just dont think it is going to work. We have a question from social media. Thank you, antonio. Charm on twitter, the Muslim Brotherhood been banned in egypt almost the entire time since the one hundred ninetyfifth two revolution. What difference does this ban make . Once there was a decision by the people of egypt to push for a democracy, to oppose mew baric and move through elections. That changed everything, because then they emerged as a political party, and it shows they do have a following. And thats significant. They also upon the presidency, it is true they were up against a government regime, who no one wanted. So many people that voted for morsy, werent necessarily voting for the Muslim Brotherhood. To now push them back under ground, so say you will be outlawed again, i think ironically, they may be comfortable in that role, and organizing and getting back to their roots. But i actually think if disa mistake to think that you can somehow snuff out all of the Political Energy they have. And you talk about the real bauer in the Egyptian State being in what you call the deep state. The military and other elements of an establishment there. You ill separate the power of that deep state to stop these changes. Lets play a clip from your movie. Revolutio

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