Talks begin with a discussion on the norths nuclear program. The Obama Administration is scrambling today to add computer serves to add high demand on the new insurance marketplace. They say healthcare. Gov that serves 36 states is getting 4. 7 million visitors a day. That high volume is slowing the site down. And texas state governor senator wendy davis will announce her plans to run for governor today. She gained National Attention for an 11hour filibuster against abortion restrictions in texas. Those are the headlines. 800,000 government wo workers are at home. The p. Are we getting any closer to a deal . Also google is being teaken to court after. Ing on emails sent through its service. How concerned should you be that your emails are being read . And news that author tom clancy has died. Spy novels have changed. Well be join bid our best selling spy novels and the woman who discovered clancy. Welcome to consider this we begin the ongoing government shut down. We warne warned that we are in trouble. We met with leaders Late Wednesday but minority leader was the only one using the word hospita optimistic. Republicans have be gown fight other republicans. The shut down is being helt well beyond washington, d. C. I dont understand what it reallely means. Reporter workers are shut at the parks and museums. Meanwhile, james, the director of National Intelligence warned to shut down its security. It seriously damages all ability to protect the safety and security of its nation. Reporter 70 of the intelligence work force have been furloughed. World war ii veteran offered government. They need to get together and to solve their problems just like a family. Reporter president obama and congressional leaders did hold talks early wednesday evening for the First Time Since the shut down began but they end it without a deal. House speak ser john boehner described it as late resolutions. Its times like this the American People start their leaders and come together to try to find a way to resolve their differences. The president reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate. Weve got to reporter nancy pelosi complained the republicans want act. Its not going to happen and thats not what our constitution had in mind. Reporter theres also the question whether the republican is breaking done. Somehow the republicans met with boehner twice on wednesday and lobbied him and the shut down while new york republican says theres as many as 100 other republicans ready to make the stalemate. A Form Congress from michigan who became the most directors and in the Reagan Administration and is also the author of the great information and the corruption. We saw a bunch in washington and the congressman and theres five on capitol hill and this is a serious matter but on the other hand, the chicken little of washington who are running around clapping by the hour as exaggerated. It hasnt happened in a long time. Also, we have to remember much of the government is exempted from the shut down. We have 3. 5 people on the government payroll. They are on the job doing their assumptions and National Security and Border Patrol and air traffic control, the tsa they are losing 300 milliondollars a day and not drawing a paycheck. That number ser made up. The larger point is and our physical machinery is broken. They havent passed one appropriations bill. We even had a budget which stets program terse and framework for four or five years. Take it seriously the obligation for the framework. And we have what makes sense. How are we going get to the full budget . First of all, we stopped exsang rated whats going to happen. I saw obama strongly here when he says we are going to default on the debt, that is throeut its it will not happen after october 17th because there is still i want to get this. You bring up the president. Lets talk act what hes saying tonight and after this meeting at the white house. He eup cyst theres not going to be any negotiation kupbless theres a clean bill without any reaction to obamacare. I heard from you and even mockery sometimes. It gives the impression that you think that your republican opponents are either craven or stupid or nuts. I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party. If john boehner, the speaker of the house, puts a bill on the floor to reopen the government at current funding levels so that we can then negotiate on a real budget that allows us the to stop governing from crisis to crisis it will pass. The only thing thats stopping is the job that pwaeurpb right now has not oh been willing to say no to the fraction of the Republican Party but along will burn the house down because of an obsession over my health care initiative. First, the personal side. We have both sides mocking each other. How are you going to be hit with just any kind of deal . If thats going to be atmosphere. Its going to be tough. We need to set fact to fiction. The fact is, we will not see the government shut down because it keeps coming here and 250 billion a month. We wont default. Thats right. They dont last that long. Whats interesting we will always make our interest payments. Social security payments we will always make them. But the white house does not want to acknowledge is that we have the power to allocate to set priority to decide what is going to be funded and what isnt oh out of the revenue available while the congress and the congress is working on a permanent solution to our physical problem and addressing the obamacare saying i believe its a huge disaster. Lets talk about pwpl and obamacare and what the president just said there. He said a fraction of the party is willing to burn the house down. You hit thes not a bad thing . U i think because the machine so broken, they have no choice but to use the opportunity on the revolution or the to extract and get some kind of dethey in the emil implementation of a feel and a bill that passed in the last 80 years that was rammed through congress on a Party Line Vote that will have a hemorrhage once it gets started. I e believe the Republican Tea Party is right in booing whatever is necessary to stop this before it starts because never, even though the American People are so strongly against this government shut down and take it. The Republican Party is to have true choices for the public. The public dont like to have a shut this down. On the other hand i dont think they will have a massive entitlement that will have trillions more on what is suggested. Care. Thats the view of the Tea Party Republicans and the republicans have to decide. If the public decides they would rather have short run relief and have the government run and can kick the can down road they can make that decision to the house with all the kids out and get a democratic government but if there is concern as i think they are about the its about the obamacare which i believe is a huge reckless debt, then, the choice. When you talk about that it the ensuring a lot of people that are not ensured right now and they do constantly bring up issue that we have had more people on food stamps now than ever before and more people are getting disability in far larger numbers than one in three americans is now under some sort of Entitlement Program but you look at the germ his of the world where everybody is under entitlement before. Why cant the u. S. Afford one . What sit the high tkaoeurbtss socialism for the insureser. Its capitalism for the provider. Rather than having any control, you will have the corrupt kaplt ao ism and where doctors and pharmaceutical companies and wheelchair manufactures are in washington lobbying for their little piece oh of the pie and were going to end up with ap pwaour kraeubgt system that a work. Are you a chicken little on what the cost is going to be. Are you concerned that this will cost all that money and we will fiend ourself in a situation that resembles resembles grief. We have a temporary rest but the deficit an a revenue from the fiscal cliff and were five years in to a recovery. So we are just courting fiscal disaster over the last 10 or 12 years. The debt is exposed. You said that a week ago. On the other hand with the sequester in place, we are seeing the deficit go down and a tiny amount. It will scare the living daylights out of everybody. Its half of what it was in 2009 which was far worse than it had ever been. You have to remember that the cyclele has not been abolished. There will be another recession and another economic decline and during the deficit will sore again even largeer than 1. 5 trillion that we had before. Its never happened in history. So therefore, we are not prepared to deal with the shocks that are coming. Baby boom retirement, some kind of world crisis, another recession here. None of this can can be absorbed by what we have in place. Snooze we move forward toward our 10 and the supposedly debt ceiling crisis that we wont be able to pay our debts. We saw last year what happened. It it was last minute our Credit Rating got taken down. If thanens again, will that. Worse than obamacare . You see Interest Rates go. Our credit is terrible anyway because we have this deficit and we have a the physical process thats broken. If the ratinging agencies were honest and the same people that put the sub prime coming and the houseing the collapse coming, im talkinging about s p. We dont deserve aa. When you look at the fiasco going on down there. Mayhem and when you look at the total act of physical discipline. Reform. You actually think that one of the problems that the tax is high. Its a little bit of both and i also think that the success establishments i call it the machine is way too big. In the world that we live in today, we do not need 650 billiondollars. It is utterly not necessary and it taught to be cut back dramatically. Military investment and conflicts, a jobs program. You must not be very pop pew popular amongst your fellow republicans. Its time to start figuring out some way. What you see happening . Peter king is a great spokesman for the country that has his sight. And secondly for whatever wall street wants done. The Tea Party Republicans say the heck with wall street. They say we need to get our physical house in order. We cannot let o obamacare stop. We will cause the crisis because the pain that were going to go through now will be far better otherwise. It will cause some serious long run. If the country goes through that and if people see their Mortgage Rates go up or if theres a dedetauldefault in the debt. Theres serious pain that people will not accept. I believe they will kick the can. The deficit will be far better than it was today. The great main street of the middle class and they are being punished. Wall street is speculating its way through highs and the that the trael economy is in very bad shape. The mayhem that u you see down there today is a taste of what i think the the new normal. Unfortunately, for years come. I hope youre wrong. Good to see you. Up next is googles free email service breaking the law. What you think our social media producer is fielding your questions. Please join the conversation on twitter on aj consider this and hi, my name is jonathan betz, and im from dallas, texas, and g mail is also something one of two privacy lawsuits that google is fighting in federal court. In the first google is accused of slighting federal and state wiretap laws by scanning emails looking for personal information that is then used to generate targeted ads and services. The second suit stems through large amounts of personal data that google secretly took from Home Computer Networks as its street view karbs maps and photographs streets in 30 countries around the world. Tkpwaobl has fought unsuccessfully to have the suits dismissed. The project director for consumer warpbl consumer watch dog group. Great to have you both with us. I think over last few years, google is demonstrating red itself for something as a privacy violator. I think in both of the cases, there were decision, one by an appellate decision that wiretap laws were being possibly violated and in a gmail suit the judge said the same thing. Basically, what they are doing, you explain this better than i am. They are scanning in an automatted way. They are scanning emails that people send and they are picking up key words for example, my son plays tennis and all of a sunday, i remember a couple years ago, i am getting all tennisrelated ads. That. It wes one thing to scan an email, to see and check whether there are viruses there or malwar. Google depositing much more and not only used to target ad bus build profiles on individual users. They are doing this without most peoples understanding and permission and consent. Dont most email services make money in that way . Well, its something my email providers right now. Yahoo and google do have emails in the systems but some like microsoft with its outlet system do not and microsoft has helped out reisntl out resent s advertisement campaigns. Well, it content s they are pointed playing and gmail kwraoeurs hav usershave not con sented in this way. Its how the communications will be interrupted. Google says we use their product, their emails will be mine for consent. Heres the quote i think part of the problem is that youre exactly right. They very, very vague on what it is they are actually doing. If they were up front about it. That might have solved the problem for more gmail users and gmail addresses. It doesnt sto fl problem for somebody who sends from another email system. I agree that google can intercept my personal messages. Its not just the email that im sending as the gmail user, its what im receiving thats also being scanned. A scan is what you do to check and see whether theres a virus. And its also perfectly sensible to figure out from a meta data where youre supposed to deliver the email. But to deliver the consent is an invasion of privacy. Some people are willing to give that up in exchange for free email, perhaps theres an explicit information on whats going on that might be acceptible but google has never come clean. We have a question. Thank, the viewer asks how can gmail wiretap a series that they offer and that we voluntarily sign up for . Wiretaping under the law is involved in intercepting the messages. They were trying to suggest in their motion for dismissal that all this was part of a normal ordinary business practice. The judge found that wasnt that the enter accept that they are doing is not a part of passing on the email message. And again the other aspect of this was consent. Now what the judge also said was that she did not think that the average user had given consent because google hadnt explained what it was doing. Thats the heart of the case. She said okay and in that circumstance they can go forward with the classaction suit. Fall. John brings up the ordinary Business Practices which goes back to a law that was passed in 1986. While all this became a lot years. Is part of the problem that the law hasnt kept up wp reality . Yes. Judges are called on how an email comes to play. How it is determined is that congress does not intend for email providers like tkpwaog toll have a leeway in the course of its ordinary Business Practices. So, while google is arguing that standing email to help sell ads is falls under ordinary Business Practices, the judge finds that its tranc transmitting email. It is a little different argument there. It would radio, transmissions and the broadcasts were readily available to the ordinary people and the judges thought that true. What happens that google ends up losing these lawsuits. Well, some think that email providers may have to change the services that they offer users because Automatic Processing is used not only the to help sell ads but to also allow users in their inbox and messages. One bill is that google could be on the hook on millions of dollars and loss of legal fees. It becomes certified as a classaction lawsuit the tpaoeupbg could be enormous it could be in the billions. Well, people who correspond with that. John t the final questions how you compare what google is doing in the email scanning and data mining to what the National Security agency did with all the meta data that it got about phone calls . Google has it. How much worse is it if they already have the emails themselfs. Why is that any worse at all . The reasons one of the reasons is that theres a possibility of access to that. Its what was going on with the nsa. Thats very troublesome. A lot of privacy issues these days to think about john and julia. I really appreciate you taking the time to joining us night and discuss this. Thank you. Spying on your email to spying novel. Its the passing of tom clancy. We will work at how the on inside story, we bring together unexpected voices closest to the story, invite hardhitting debate and desenting views and always explore issues relevant to you. On august 20th, Al Jazeera America introduced a new voice in journalism. Good evening everyone, welcome to al jazeera. Usa today says . Writes the columbia journalism review. And the daily beast says quality journalists once again on the air is a beautiful thing to behold. Al jazeera america, theres more to it. Stpaoe he may. Best known for the 1984 novel the hadnt for red october which sold for 5 million copies and stand alec baldwin for film version. Evolution. So, just how has the genra changed . We will ask her. She discovered clancy in the early 80s. He is also the founder and principal of the governor of the agency and joins us now from washington, d. C. And he is the New York Times best sell author who also serveed is more than 20 years in the u. S. Army and a special services with colonel. He joins us from mount pleasant, north carolina. I know you were obviously close to him as his first agent. What is tom plancys Lasting Impact . What was so different about the hunt for red october when he picked it up from any other thing that you read from that time . I think what clancy was able t