Welcome to consider this. Here is more of what is ahead. I am a gay man. Im hope to be one. Courageous. Hes a good football player. A zoo in denmark is under fire after killing a giraffe, feeding the remains to the lion. Its abominable, insensitive, ridiculous thing i have heard of. [ singing ]. Backstage there are a tonne of other people back there. A lot of girls they are sayingar anorexic are literally 14 years old. We begin with michael sam and the possibility of an historic moment in sport. His public declaration that he is gay three months before the National Football leagues draft puts him in the position of being the first openly gay player in the n. F. L. I understand how big this is, its a big deal. Its a nervous process. I know what i want to be. I want to be a player in the n. F. L. Sams revelation on espn was praised from statements from the white house to the n. F. L. Which said a homophobic backlash followed. Im joined by chris kluwe, a former n. F. L. Punter, outspoken about equality in the n. F. L. , and dave, host of edge of sport radio and author of games over. A lot support for sam. Sports illustrated interviewed players and coaches who said the n. F. L. s draft will make sams path to the lead daunting and the publicity will be daunting. You gave the less than inflammatory statements well get to the unflamentry ones in a moment. Sure, but saying that a gay player would chemically imbalance a locker room is bad. The part i found distressing was that none of he is anonymous n. F. L. Executives were willing to own their own homophobia. They put it on the players, saying the locker room is not ready, the players are not ready. It may take a decade. Instead of saying, this is our problem. One thing that michael sam said is he wanted to open his open truth. I dont think n. F. L. Executives own their truth, that they have a bigotry problem. Lets give you some quotes that were blunt. One said another coach said chris, since your name came up in a quote, do you think its different to have a confirmed player out there. And you commented on twitter that the story shows that its not the players, really, that is the problem, that the front office is the problem. Yes, and its disturbing to see many in leadership positions, running teams, have the view point. It shows what they are thinking about is their open problems and difficulties dealing with a gay player, and im reminded of the Richard Sherman situation, in which the word thug was used as a code word for something uglier. In this situation its distraction. Everyone is saying michael sam will be a distraction, distracting to the players. Really, what they are saying is i dont want a gay player on the team, i cant say that, so ill make up something else. We need to call them on it. As chris is saying. We are almost blaming the media. You said the comments are coweredly. Absolutely. A lot of the gms are people who like to affect the personae of being tough guys, mill tarristic. They sounded week and scared. And they soupeded like they were sounded like they were completely incapable of confronting the realityies. Dante said it best, saying if having a gay player is a distraction on the team, it means you have the loser of the team. The entire n. F. L. Season is made of of distractions. Michael sam said he told his teammates in missouri in august that he was gay and they were supportive. Lets listen to that. Hopefully players will see and not judge me because im gay, but does that person work hard, can he win games or the championship. I can. Its a work place, you want to act professional. Chris played the whole seen. His tomb mate have no problem supporting him until he was ready to do this publicly. If College Players can do it, why cant n. F. L. Players do this. Exactly. If this is the distraction that michael sam would be, a team should welcome it. They won 11 and 12. 12 and 2, yes. Yes, and when you look at the distractions that the n. F. L. Had to deal with, mike vick, riley cooper, tim timbo, there has been others, why would a gay man be the straw that breaks the camels back, bringing the n. F. L. To its knees. A lot of people point to jason colins, coming out towards the end of his career and no one signed him last year. It probably will affect his draft status a little bit because thats the reality of the n. F. L. , there are teams that will pass on him because hes gay and they wont want to deal with it. I think a team would pick him up. To not do so would reveal the fact that n. F. L. Is run by homophones. Frankly, i would be spriffed if roger cadell is not on the phone, speaking to owners saying, this is an image problem. Talk to gm and coaches and let them know we do not tolerate this. A lot of players came out after they were tired. Assuming that sam is drafted and is successful in the n. F. L. , could it mean that this would be the Jackie Robinson moment for gay men in sports. Mark twain said history doesnt repeat itself, but it rhymes. In other words, theres one Jackie Robinson. Every situation is different. The similarities to the Jackie Robinson situation cannot be ignored. If you go back and look at what owners and Baseball Players were saying, they sound like the people, speaking about distractions and the locker room. Basically offshoring bigotry to the players. In this report its instructive. What we are looking for is what general manager has the courage to be a 21st Century Branch rickie, saying i care about whether this man can play, Everything Else is not a problem. We have a couple of months before may to see what happens before the draft. Good to have you both on the show. Details about an n. S. A. Program using electronic surveillance to geotarget overseas mobile phones to determine who americas drones should kill. A report says the mooed is unreliable and led to the death of civilians. This as its decided whether a drone should be used to target a u. S. Citizen in pakistan who has planned attacks against the United States. Christopher swift, professor of National Security at George Town University school of Foreign Service jones us from washington d. C. Studio. Good to have you on the show. The authors of this piece said effectively its death by metadata. Its unreliable and the n. S. A. Does not confirm the people they are targetting with information on the ground, and that that leads to bad strikes and civilian deaths. Your rehabilitation . Theres a certain amount of truth. Theres an overreliance on signals intelligence on the war in terrorism and intelligence that we get from allies, the governments of yemen and others, where these operations take place. Theres a lack of insight, people on the ground who have relationships in the communities, where the strike takes place. When you put them together, you have a legitimate critique. Its not death by metadata, its death by geotargeting based on specific phones. Who is holding the phones when the drone strike happens is an issue to be addressed. It goes to the broader problem of trying to fight the war by Remote Control and not knowing who the advocate is. How do we put people on the ground in yemen, the mountains of pakistan and afghanistan. How do we confirm. Using the signals intelligence, is that the only way to do it . Its not, and we dont use signals where we operated. We dont rely exclusively on signals intelligence. Theres very little stomach for large u. S. Investments for troops, money and material in some of these conflict zones. We are trying to find a way to degrade our advocacy and maintain a certain amount of distance. When you rely exclusively on Third Party Sources and governments and signals intelligence, you get into trouble. Thats part of the issue that is raised with the report. We are joined from montana by brandon bryant. A former sensor operator for the u. S. Air force drone program, after leaving the air force he was presented with a certificate crediting his squadron with over 1600 kills. Good to have you with us. This new journal, this article in the journal intercept. It outlines the article, tracking people through phones and sim cards. You said your units motto was we track em, you whack em. You lived this, and you had no idea when you shot the missiles, you had no idea what it was based on, from an intelligence stand pointed. Yes. For the most part. I was not part of the squadron that was part of we track em, you whack em. That was not our motto. We worked with these people all the time, and for the most part we really didnt understand the depth of their job or what they were doing. We were just told to point and click basically. You said the terrorists were on to the program, they changed sim cards to confuse n. S. A. Analysts because they figured out how all this works. What i picked up is they figured out that we were tracking their cell phones. Then they figured out that, well, if they changed sim cards, its harder for us to track them, and we developed technologies to, you know, keep tracking them, and they developed tactics to counter it. Its typical warfare. Costs on both sides. They are coming back with better tactics to avoid being tracked. The president said that the drone strikes saved lives, the first choice is to capture and prosecute the terrorist, and before a strike is taken, there must be near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured. The report argues that that is not happening. We are not hitting all those points. I think the president is looking at it from this is how it should be, and i believe this is how it is stanted point and the standpoint and the reality of the situation is its not chris, your reaction to that . In war, confusion reins on the battlefield. Part of the broader problem here is not just the risk that comes from alienating civilians, the bigger problem is understanding who the adversary is. We see the difficulty at the tactical level, and we see the issue raised at the strategic level, where we have large discussions about Al Qaedalinked organizations, but we dont have definitions for what the terms mean and who the groups would be. Until we sort out the broader issues about who the adversaries are, and how they interact. It will be difficult for us to deal with the strategic for tactical aspects. You go further. You dont support the strikes when they are against people who are the head of al qaeda in yemen. Correct. You know, our constitutional Fourth Amendment says traders deserve a fair and speedy trial. We blatantly violated something we were supposed to defend. That makes us not worthy to defend it. Chris, i only have about 20 seconds. The president says he thinks its consit usual if we constitutional if we go after someone abroad, waging war on america. 4th deals with privacy. 5th going after someone, and 6th deals with under what circumstances you can take a life. When you are dealing with an individual who has taken up arms against United States and their allies, you have a circumstance where the fifth amendment may not apply as it does here on the streets of new york or washington. Its an important issue. Especially immediately, because apparently they are looking at the american citizen who may be in pakistan. Good to have you both on the show. Coming up. Is there a quiet war on Social Security. We explain that next. Jack hannah joins us on a controversial killing of a zoo in public. And we track the top stories on the web. We have a disturbing story. Some new yorkers make tens of thousands off a barbaric blood sport, and getting away with it until now. What do you think . Join the conversation on twitter. On facebook, and google pages. What is this place . Where are we . This is where we bring together the Fastest Internet and the best in entertainment. We call it the x1 entertainment operating system. It looks like the future we must have encountered a temporal vortex. Further analytics are necessary. Beam us up. Thats my phone. Hey. [ female announcer ] the x1 entertainment operating system, only from xfinity. Tv and internet together like never before. A zoo in copenhagen is facing outrage from around the world for a decision to euthanize a healthy giraffe because he was, as they said, surplus, he was then dissected in front of of a crowd, including children. He was then given to other animals to eat, instead of being sent to other zoos that offered to take him. Some part of this video are graphic. Joining us from june iter florida is the director of the colombus zoo and the host of jack hannahs into the wild, and the weekend show jack hannahs wild countdown. Its good to see you. What did the zoos scientific director say . He argued 20 to 30 animals are culled every year. Is that normal. You spent years at the colombus zoo. Did they cull animals there . No, we have been founded sips 1926 and never have. We heard about this in the last 24 hours. I heard from grotesque, insensitive, and not one person you dont know the tonnes of stuff i made said they understand what is going on. Its impossible to understand for most of us. We dont understand how a beautiful animal could be killed. Let me be devils advocate. They said the animal was killed to prevent inbreeding and protect the genetic diversity of the captive population of giraffes. Is that an argument worth making. Meself correct. Thats what we have to do. We had to protect the genetic diversity. Nothing was wrong with the animal. Why did they bring them, number one, and why didnt they find a home for the animals. Somebody told me a man offered half a million. I dont know if that was true or not. Myself, the colombus zoo, the top zoo in the country, i would have raised the money, me, myself, i have people calling me. I came up with several hundred. I would have brought the animal on a boat to wilds. We have 10,000 acres and given it a home. Diversity is important. You said it. Genetic democratic management. Are you kidding me . How many visitors understand that . None of them. Maybe a few. They never will. We are here to teach families about how to love a creature like a giraffe, how to save it. There are some areas where they are endangered. They shot the giraffe, cut it in front of the people, from what they said and fed it to the lion. The director said thats wild. Not many people see what i have seep in africa, asia, south america, north pole. South pole. Have a seen predators on hunts of course i have. Have i seen how it goes down . Of course i have when you come to a zoo logical park. I dont think its called education when you take an animal and announce they had shut it and cut it up in front of a family and feed it to a kahn vor. Sorry, maybe something is wrong with me. Someone said its the different culture, their culture over there. Give me a break. Trust me, theres nothing wrong with you, everywhere agrees with you. They dont understand how they could have done this. This is not endangered, its a nearly threatened animal. Again, you said you would take it on your property. There are reports someone offered half a million to have the animal. Others would have been willing to come up with money to put the giraffe somewhere else. Again, why in the world would they do this . Sure. I dont know a lot about animal questions. Why do they do this . Its educating the people, no, no, as i told you. When i come to the zoological park, 98 of our animals come from the zoos. If i instead a giraffe in africa, we can help them. If i need one, i can take a veterinarian. I can do more with cats and all kind of creatures. That is educational. We want kids, when it comes to the zoological parks, saying why you should love it. We work hard in our zoos. We work hard to teach people that. What do you think this teaches everywhere. One kid in the other building said mr hannah, i saw this, i think i take away our draft. Thats going to be the buzz word around our country. Talking about accredited zoos, the zoo is part of the european part of zoos. Thats correct. They have rules to protect the species forbidding the transfer of animals. Again, my simple question, i assume you would be asking the same thing over and over, how do you protect an animal by killing him . Exactly. Yes, the animal had a geep pool. Okay, fine. Thats fine, they can only go to credited institutions. Something like that is going on in our country. Theres private breeders who have great gene pools, spending a lot of money keeping the goon pool clean. There are some that dont do that, they are not good breeders or look after the animals. There are people that may not be accredited. But they are great people, and we know who they are. I am sure there are people like that in europe. Dont set a standard that only us can save the world. The good loord didnt put us that way to say only the credited zoo can save the world. We wouldnt hand a giraffe to someone that doesnt know how to care for it, but someone that has the money and is reputable. A terrible shame. Its a spectacular animal. Its horrible to see if happen. One man said, my children colour a giraffe, callum bia are building a platform where people can handfeet the giraffe and know that they have the same number of veterinary brat in their neck like you and me. The kids learn it. Do you learn it by cutting it off. This giraffe this seven vert bra, but we had to feed it to the lion. Would you do it to a giant panda im being radical or gorilla or another animal. I wouldnt think you would. Such a shame. Good to see you. Thank you for your time and to address the sad issue. Changing topics. Returning to a growing problem that both sides of the political nation agrees we are facing. Why are both conservatives and liberals questioning a new initiative to help low and middle income americans . Today most americans dont have a pension. The Social Security check is not enough on its own. While the stock market doubled, it doesnt help folks without 401 ks. I will direct a new way for working americans to start their own savings. My ra. Joining us from los angeles, california, david dan, a contributing writer for salon who wrote the dark site of my ra. You argue that president obamas my ra is an attempt to distract people from a push to expand Social Security. Why would the president do that. I cant get in his head, but i can tell you the context. There had been over the last year a growing number of activists who had seen in the wake of this crisis that you just described, the best and most efficient way to solve the problem would be to expand the security and on the other side you have the president in his budget who sought a cut to Social Secu