Showing the largest al qaeda gathering in yemen. We are aqap and we are a force to be reckoned with. This doesnt increase our concern because frankly our concern was incredibly high. The bureau of planned management released 400 head of cattle for failing to play grazing fees. Our grazing fees are minimal. Our battle is who owns there land. We begin with a disturbing videos from al qaeda, which first appeared on hard core islamist websites is believed to be from march and shows an open meeting of 100 or more al qaeda fighters in yemen, a country that has seen a number of u. S. Drone attacks. The man believed to be al qaedas number 2, nasser alw ahishi, fighting the biggest enemy adding we have to move the cross and the bearer of the cross, america. Spokesman maria harf told the press the u. S. Is well aware of the threat. We know they have been increasing in strength. We have been increasingly aware of them since 2009. This doesnt increase our concern because frankly our concern is incredibly high. Mark kimmet, assistant secretary of Foreign Affairs and assistant secretary of defense. How seriously should we take that threat as al wahishi said, to remove the bearer of the cross . I think we should take it very seriously. This is the first time in a long time that weve heard al qaeda focus on the United States, not the governments inside the middle east. And al wahishi has quite a terrorist resume. He fought at tora bora, jailed in iran and yemen, he escaped prison in yemen, was one of the founders of al qaeda, and has directattacks on the u. S. , saudi arabia and yemen. Are killed three al qaeda leaders, considered to be number 2 like al wahishi is, why is he willing to appear in public and show his face this way . I think there are two things going on, number 1, hes trying ocoalesce all the al qaeda affiliates, credit but i also believe that he doesnt think that we are watching him as much as we used to. The fact is, theyre practicing much better Communication Security than they used to, courtesy of the revelation of the snowden leaks. They understand how we listen to them and how we find them. And i think hes just practicing much better camouflage concealment and Communication Security. Hes a little more brazen about his activities because he doesnt think hes being watched. We hear about the supposed fear the terrorists have about American Drones but clearly we must have had no idea this was going on because we continuallyt any drone there. I dont know the facts of the circumstances but the fact remains if they are practicing Communication Security the drones arent going to help. Because the drones can only be sent when you have a general item of where the idea of where the drones are. The drone is like looking through the sky through a sewed ah astraw on a piece of ground. If you dont have a general idea where they are, if you dont have intercepts or radios to guide you to an approximate location, the drones arent going ohelp. Could a pull back in drone attacks have emboldened these guys . Thats one line or theory that some are presenting. I dont have any facts to back that up. Since Osama Bin Laden was running those Training Camps in yemen, by having these many al qaeda fighters meeting openly like this . As we talked about earlier, since the devastation of the core of pakistan and afergz, the major concern afghanistan, al qaeda and the islam ick peninsula, al qaeda in the levant, what it appears that he is trying to do bringing these tribes and franchises together, into one centralized organization again, answering to him in the field and al sawahiri, as al wahishi has said as a threat to the United States. As you bring up all those different al qaeda affiliates, al zawahri, focusing on syria to strike the west. We have talked in the past as al qaeda is holding more territory than ever, from yemen to syria and where al qaeda is apparently holding that part of the country and really dominating it, is that where we need to focus the most more than these guys in yemen . Its clear that these outliers in yemen are gaining support from whats going on inside of syria. I would add to your list, the sanctuary in western iraq as well. That area between western iraq and syria the area that isis the islam ick can state of al shalam, is creating this petrie dish, Central Command and control is coming out of there. Capability is coming out of there its going to yemen, its going to lebanon, its going all around the region. These guys have been the only al qaeda affiliate that has really tried launch attacks against u. S. , until recently they have not succeeded. Some of the faces were blurred out. We know that they have a very creative bomber there in yemen, ibrahim alsiri. Maybe some of these guys are westerners helping them out. It certainly could be. There have been a clear record of foreigners coming in to join these in Northern Syria in the assad regime, and the fight against hezbollah inside iraq. There is this centrifugal force because they know this is where the action is. Frightening to see all those al qaeda people all together in one place, and seemingly sending some message to the United States. Brigadier general mark kimmet, great to have you with us. Are the numbers lying, chicago magazine has just published the first of a two part investigative report that contains explosive charges. After a year long investigation the magazine says the city has used various quebility techniques to artificially questionable techniques to artificially show numbers. Joins us from chicago, we asked the Chicago Police department for a statement but have not received one. Elisabeth good to have you with us. Big cities doctoring Crime Statistics has been an issue before. This is an especially big deal because this has become the murder capital of the country. It gave chicago quite a black eye on the world stage. Getting those statistics down is a pretty major deal for rahm emanuel and superintendent mccarthy. Some of the statistics you found, incredible. The victim tierra grove, had a agriculture around her plowt, a wire to tie her mouth, a wire to tie her to a chair. Since the medical examiner couldnt find a clear cause of death they didnt ascribe to it murder . How the medical examining team is describing some deaths, this was described tierras death as a homicide by unspecified means. The body was so decomposed it was in the medical examiners opinion they could tell someone had killed her but werent sure exactly how. And so apparently the Police Department seized on that ambiguity to change it to a noncriminal Death Investigation instead of a Homicide Investigation thereby removing her death from the citys year end homicide count. And this kind of ambiguity has reflected in other occasions. These would be funny if they werent so horrific. An example, a man beaten by a gang with a pipe, died six days later. That in no way did the battery contributed to the cause of his death and therefore ruled his death as natural. So again, this man was beaten by a pipe over the head. How does that not possibly lead to the guys death . Right. And whats interesting leer is the fbi crime code is very clear on this. That sometimes the medical examiner and the police might disagree on the cause of death and in fact the police are charged with doing an investigation to find out the truth but increasingly what were finding or reported as finding is when medical examiner, they are taking the oath that the medical examiner is giving them calling it into the case and moving on. Just to bring up a couple of more examples. A woman you used the pseudonym, tiffany jones, had been punched by a relative, died soon thereafter, did not classify that as a murder. A man shot in the head, four months later this had not been determined a homicide. Right. It was four young men, it was a day after thanksgiving, they had been drinking a bit, had a car accident, it turned out that the three passengers were fine, the driver was dead, died from a shot in the temple. You woo think that at the very least it would well, the sources we consulted said that the very least you would imagine this would be manslaughter, if you were drunk or not aware of what you were doing. But that was never charged as a homicide of any kind. And againists a bit inex pliblgable. Again its a bit inexplicable. Virtually all of these cases, the victims here are lowincome and African American. And its sad to see. Yes just raises so many questions. Certainly chicago had been getting a tremendous amount of negative publicity nationally because of the murder rate there. So how much do you believe is this pressure thats going on at the mayors office, at the Police Department, at the medical Examiners Office that is leading to this kind of reclassification . That is a really excellent question. And we try to really stick to the facts as we know them and what our sources have told us. And what we do know is the mayor is very aware of how chicago is perceived on the world stage, very aware of what the Crime Statistics is doing to the reputation of the city, and in daily touch with the police commissioner. The mayor did not come up for this story, we did speak to the medical examiner, who said he is not influenced by political consideration he. We reported what we found, and really you can be the judge. Theres ample reporting that theres certainly a lot of pressure to try to bring this murder rate down. Im sure they would like to bring the murder rate down period, not with any kind of funny numbers. Sure, sure, imagine how hard that job is, its a terrifically hard job. Are on the other hand, chicagoans deserve to be the truths. We would like to see them come down, not in some doctored way. Your next installment can going to deal with felonies robberies, assaults, you think there there has also been some questionable accounting . Thats safe to say, yes. Youre basically telling me ill have to wait to see the next installment, right . That would be a good idea. Disturbing things to be raised by your piece. May issue of chicago magazine, Elizabeth Fenner thank you. Thank you. Consider this will be right back. They dont wanna show whats really going on. Mr. Drumfield, id like to speak to you for a minute. This is where columbias war continues. Still occupied. Police have arrived. You see the blast scars from a bomb that went off. The man who has become americas most famous cattle rancher is facing a new foe. Saying he owed 1. 2 million in fines over the last 20 years incurred because his cattle grazed on federal land. But bundy doesnt recognize that and says his familys cattle has grazed on that land for a century. Federal land agent abruptly ended their cow roundup citing serious concern for the employees and the public. Bundy might have won that battle but harry reid is warning, the case is not closed. Well, it is not over. We cant have an American People that violate the law and walk away from it so its not over. Joining us via skype is clive bundy. Its been quite a day for you. Senator harry reid who hails from nevada says its not over. Well you know, about the only thing can i say to harry is he dont want law breakers but what about does he not want Food Producers . You know, somebody has to need this nation besides harry. I dont know that hes been needing us too good. What i have to say to harry, we the people of nevada elected harry to go back and serve as a senator in the United States congress. Were not in the United States as a senator. Harry get back there and take care of your job and your job would probably be something to do with foreign nations. And dont be coming out here where your armies and pointing guns that we, the citizens of clark county, nevada. And certainly that did happen. There were some tense armed confrontations there. And the federal government at least for now as ive said theyve given up on seizing your cattle which had become a major operation. What do you think is going to happen now . Well, ive got a handful of certified letters from the United States government, las vegas blm. I havent opened them. Im assuming they got their lawyers working on them, on me. Ive had their lawyers working on me for 20 years. You know, the public dont understand or know abouts that things. But about these things, but ive been fighting these legallily for 20 years. Bring them upon. The blm is the bureau of land management. As you said, you guys have been fighting for 20 years and they wanted you to be forced to pay or give up your cattle. That is a matter of issue to 16,000 ranchers who do follow the rules. What do you say about that . Id like them to find one or two happy ranchers. 52 ranchers my neighbors are not very happy, theyre out of business. There was ranchers all across the mojave desert, three were out of business. Every Western State unhappy ranchers. What im saying blm making a Statement Like that, they are liars. What is your argument as to why you circulate have the right to have your cattle graze on that land and not pay any fees . Well, probably that main argument would be that the federal government does not own this land. It is a ranch within the sovereign state of nevada, a subdivision, clark county, nevada and so i do not graze on public land of United States. I graze on public land of clark county, nevada. So if i was to owe fees, it wouldnt be to them. It would be to reply local county or state. But youve lost in court. Youve gone even up to courts of appeals and havent been able to win this. Do you not recognize the authority of the federal government . Not in this case. I tell you, its a Foreign Court. The United States court does not recognize statehood, nevada law, or public land rights, and theyre not a court of competent jurisdiction. The nevada state of competent jurisdiction. Theyre a Foreign Court to our law. And you know their senior judge lloyd george who made this decision was exactly right when he said that this court does not recognize those laws. He said theyre moot. And he was totally right. Because they do not have no jurisdiction, that court does not have no jurisdiction or authority policing power or arresting power. Katy in clar owners ink county nevada on these public land. We saw armed federal agents we also saw armed people who were supporting you, states rights groups, supporting you, you felt that the federal government does not have authority at all in the state of nevada. I do not believe they have authority over this land. I think the United States government and their army has definitely has authority over Foreign Affairs and even disputes over states. But not within the state of nevada. And they are you concerned that this is going to escalate . I mean at this point obviously they have pulled back a bit but there were some very tense moments with armed people on both sides. You keep saying armed people on both sides. I was with you know, probably close to a thousand people that day. Some on horses. And i would say less than 1 had any kind of an arm, and it would have been a small side arm if three carried anything. A lot of them were using, seemed like most of the weapons were actually iphones or smartphones being used as cameras to film the federal agents. Did you ever expect youd get into the middle of a brouhaha like this . Well, i never expected. But i knew that we, the people, would fight for their liberties and freedoms and they proved theirself there. That fight was not for me. It was individuals fighting for their own rights and liberties. I wasnt even in the middle of them. I was on a stage waiting there with my wife, you know five, six miles away. So i cant take any credit for that. They did that on their own. Well, a lot of important issues raised by this case and its certainly a lot of passions have arisen because of it, clivan bundy thank you for joining us. Thank you for giving knee opportunity. A fight over gun rights and to a fight over governments across the country billions of dollars every year. Thats the claim in the new book the rule of nobody, saving america from dead laws and broken government. It lays out several cases where outdated rules and regulations have handcuffed our current leaders from using common sense to govern. Phillip k. Howard is the author hes also the founder of common good, are lets start with the big picture here. You say that dead people are in effect running our government because they set up just way too much regulation and thats basically holding our leaders hostage. It is credit a degree of laws like sai sediment in harbors. How things work daytoday are set owl in millions of words of detailed regulations often written by people who are no longer with us. With many unintended consequences. But its the law. And everyone in washington treats all these laws like their scripture not like theyre tools for management of society. To make decisions with common sense. And you bring up all kinds of unintended consequences, with big to small. First one bring up is a tree that fell on a creek in new jersey and ended up flooding an area and what happened . Its just so frustrating. The town fathers sent in a backhoe to pull out the tree. The judge said no thats a class c1 creek, whatever that is. It took them 12 days and 12,000 in legal fees to get the permit, which is obvious, pulling out the tree which was crossing the creek. And what happened with the deepwater horizon. In the gulf of mexico. Are all unintended consequences. The regulation that tried eliminate any oil spills, Something Like a mud gas separator to contain anything that came back up the pipes. Well it turns out it was designed only for a certain amount of pressure, not from the amount of pressure that it was going oget from these pipes. If it had han escape clause which the regs didnt allow, it would have been a small sp