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Transcripts For ALJAZAM Consider This 20140819

Witness accounts were true. He was shot at least six times. Following a night of violent protests. National guard is moving in. Looting, carrying guns. A major battle is waging in iraq. Air strikes are helping iraqi and kurdish troops re claim the damn. A ceasefire extended for another 24 hours. Gaza needs hospitals, schools, houses not rockets, tunnels and conflict. In india more than 300 villages are flooded. Its the same fore every year, floods, land slides taking the lives of hundreds. We begin in the streets of ferguson, missouri, governor jay nixon lifted a curfew, hoping it would help to restore peace after nights of protests following the shooting death of moun by a white policeman Michael Brown by a white policeman. Permits of the Missouri National guard elements of the Missouri National guard and captain ron johnson said that while peaceful protests will be allowed. We will not allow vandals, criminal elements to impact the safety and security of the community. An independent autopsy requests by the family explained part of what happened the day of the shooting. Six bullets struck, and two may have reentered. They werent science of a struggle. In washington president obama met with attorney general eric holder and called on protesters to be calm. Giving in to that anger by looting or playing guns or attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos. It undermines rather than advancing justice. For more on crowd control and keeping violence off the streets, im joined by a former Los Angeles Police chief, and is a member of the Los Angeles City council, serving the eighth district. A pleasure to have you with us. We have seen several nights of violence. Governor nixon lifted the curfew, bringing in the national guard. Are they wise moves under the circumstances . I think it will play out to see how its addressed and how people will accept them. I sense that there has been so many dramatic changes from an argument or concern about the mebbinganisation of policing to a curfew, the curfew is gone, now the national guard. There has to be at some point consistency in how the city will address the issues. Mechanizing, militarizing, we see a lot of police doing that, for having a big overwhelming response to the protest. Armoured vehicles. Were critics correct when they suggested that that response inflamed the situation . Depends on how you use the equipment. Its not a danger, its how its moved. Often what you see in using the equipment, you loaded offscene and bring it in when necessary. I think that, you know, you cant criticise them for wearing vests and helmets, when people are throwing fire bombs and shooting. The issue of what benefit the armoured weapon trucks are, will only play out in the long term, in that you have to use them, and it shouldnt be a show of force for no benefit. It should be to reduce the level of violence. Its something you have to play by ear. Theres no set guidelines, again we have to realise that criticising, talking about vehicles is taking the argument and discussion off the main point. The main point is a thorough investigation is to find out was force legally or illegally used against the victim. The other is to use the violators out of the crowd that is peacefully demonstrating. Those that want to be peace. And the rest of the community, business people, will not be harmed by their Property Damaged, that they become injured. Those are the focuses. Mostly anything else on the periphery until we resolve the points. To your first point about the investigation, what about the ways that the ferguson handle that. It took 10 days to hear how many bullets hit Michael Brown, it took a week to get the shooting officers name, and it was released at the same time as a tape of a robbery that Michael Brown allegedly committed. Has the department fuelled the flames. I think you have to make a judgment as quickly, or thoroughness. The worst thing the department or anyone could do is give information. When we get the autopsy report today, the only thing we know of that we didnt know at the time he deceased is the number of shots. We knew the day he died was due to gunfire. Toxicology is the other issue, and the comparison of the autopsy to the physical investigation has not been done. Basically the forensic scientist said he cannot make a thorough and a judgment or a final judgment on anything in the preliminary report until he can compare it with the evidence on the scene. It may have caused more question than it answered. The push to get information so quickly just, in my judgment creates another volley of information about dealing with rumours, and things of that nature, which constantly is something which fills the airways, but doesnt solve the problem of getting to the point of whether deadly force was appropriate. You were deputy chief during the riots. You were a Police Officer during the riots in 1965. You see some of the worst in the cities. Given what you have heard, about handling volatile crowds. What would your advice be for the officers in ferguson. We learnt a great deal in 65. We found out that you could not allow a riot to go unabated, believing it would burn itself out. Because it will eventually burn the city. We learn in the rodney king incident, is that there has to be a great deal more attention paid to the tenure of the Community Prior to an explosive event, and then we learnt after the trial was over, that we have to be more sensitive to deploy resources in contemplation of a potential outburst. Those are things you learn, and you find that they are hurtful in the sense of Property Damage and loss of life. Again, theres no specific formula allowing you to know what to do in every incident. You are deploying your resources, putting them in place, and you hope they serve the community. You have to be careful of not overdeploying or using equipment and resources to bluff the public because they quickly sense, as it relates to your activities, whether you are basically going how you are going to handled something, and you cant have, as i thing you have seen in ferguson, where every day theres a new strategy. The public will sense indecision and theyll act accordingly. So many variables and a volatile situation, and a lot of important points. A pleasure to have you with us. For more, lets go to the streets of ferguson missouri, and robert ray, our correspondent. Good to see you, are you streets tense . What is the mood like tonight . Its been peaceful so far, but you can see Missouri State Highway Patrol behind me, down the block protesters have been coming up and down the strot. National guard is up at the command center awaiting to be deployed in case the peaceful protests go awry. Thus far, there has been a few arrests. Weve had a major journalist arrested earlier today. Things are quiet. We are waiting to see what will happen. Were people surprised the curfew was lifted. Has that diffused things. People were surprised that the curfew was lifted. We are not sure how plate people will be out here. Yesterday this went down. Some of the back and forth between the police and protesters went down 8 30, 9 oclock. In the national guard, you said they were there at the command center, and thats where they are supposed to stay. Is that still the plan . Yes. I mean, they are at the command center a few blocks from us. Last night some protesters infringed, and i think thats why they were called in. It would have to get nasty for them to come out. Theres a lot of police presence. Theres an officer behind me. The cops have the sticks out, the cops, and a lot of people have these. We are hoping not to use these, the gas masks. A lot of folks were hit bad with it. Some of the citizens have gone to Army Navy Stores in case this occurs again. Its difficult to think about the things that could happen, and a volatile situation. Robert ray, ferguson, missouri, thank you for joining us. For more on the autopsy, im joined by dr carter. A lot of people hoped the autopsy by a good cole eke of yours, dr bader. Here is what he showed, that Michael Brown was running towards or away from plifr Darren Wilson when the Police Officer fired. It could be consistent with his Going Forward or going back ward. But they are from the front. If it was shot Going Forward, he would collapse right away. Its possible. Theres a number of different possibilities. Why is it so difficult to determine what happened in this era of csi. People thing you guys can figure everything out. A lot of witnesses say brown had his arms up in surrender. Do we not yet know . We dont know that yet. This proves the autopsy by itself does not determine what happened. It will be important to look at all the various statements, seeing photographs, appearance of the body. We do have different services, and bodies can be in moecks when they are injured by gunfire. It will be important to have a look at that victims body. The scene, the police cruiser, and most important the uniform of the Police Officer would be important as well. And it is important because we have these conflicting stories from witnesses, and we have heard from an alleged friend of officer wilsons. She said that wilsons version was that Michael Brown had attacked him in his car, and when brown started to walk away officer wilson got out of the car and told him to freeze. Then wilsons friend said on the radio that brown did this. He just started to come at him full speed and so he started shooting and he kept coming. He really things he was on something, because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable . Do you think the forensics will be able to help us sort out which of the stories is true . Well, certainly thats the main thrust for going to the autopsy. We cant provide 100 of apes. These will be analysed, and its difficult when you do a second autopsy, you dont have all the information, the way the body was presented, you dont have the clothing at hand. You are working half blindsided. So as dr baden said, he didnt have the xrays, all the original information. Somehow you have to put both of these out op autopsies together. The photographs from the crime scene, clothing from the officers clothing, and coming up with a scenario to explain the wound and how they could have occurred. Now the clothing and how close they were, this is what dr baden had to say. Theres no gup shot residues on the skin surface. So that the muzzle of the gun was one to two feet away. In order to be firm about that, we have to look at the clothing, which we havent had the opportunity to look at. Sometimes the clothing can filter out gunshot residues. Why is distance such an important factor. Well, as we have heard there might have been a gunshot fired off within the vehicle, and also that both the victim and a perpetrator were close enough to have physical contact. If we were in close proximity, we would be looking at evidence of gun powder embedded into the skin of the victim. Certainly gunpowder on the uniform of the officer that would tell you that they were, indeed, in close proximity, and looking for evidence of the gun fire within that vehicle. The st Louis County Medical Office praxed an autopsy last week, dr Michael Bayden performed his, and now therell be a third, scheduled to be performed by medical examiners at the pentagon. Would you be surprised if all three didnt produce the same results . Not at all. You are doing an autopsy on a body already examined, its not in a fresh condition. You have different people with perhaps different training methods, and they are probably not communicating with one another. Each may tell you something a little different. According to the reports, the county autopsy showed that Michael Brown had marijuana in his system. Besides, you know marking him as someone who might use drugs, does that serve any purpose, i think, in conventional wisdom saying marijuana would make it less likely for someone to be violent. Well, a complete autopsy has to have toxicology done. I am sure therell be someone looking into Michael Browns background, character, interactions of the people. Its good to roll out that he does not have strong drugs in his system. That may be looked at for him being aggressive. Marijuana is common these days its good to have the completion of the toxicology aspect. So many questions, thank you for helping us clarify what you can. Coming up, the u. S. Increases air strikes against the Islamic State, helping kurdish and Iraqi Forces Retake a critical dam. A form u. S. Official says iraq is being advised by the wrong group of people. When you run a business, you cant settle for slow. Thats why i always choose the fastest intern. The fastest printer. The fastest lunch. Turkey club. The fastest pencil sharpener. The fastest elevator. The fastest speed dial. The Fastest Office plant. So why wouldnt i choose the fastest wifi . I would. 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Joining us from dubai is ali kaderi, the longest continually serving assistant in iraq, an assistant to five u. S. Ambassadors, and Senior Advisor to three commanders. Ali, good to have you with us. Did you expect the expanded bombing by the u. S. , now that it seems the iraqis will be able to form a new government with Prime Minister Haider Alabadi, as opposed to his predecessor, Nouri Almaliki. Its a good step that the Obama Administration is recognising what a threat is is to International Security. Three years after allowing asaads genocide to continue unabated, really the continues that allowed i. S. I. S. To be created, recognising that it didnt exist three years ago, and after watching for months, entering iraq, seize a third of the territory and gain control over the mosul dam, im encouraged that the administration is understanding the threat of iraq and i. S. I. S. And confront it with kurdish allies and others. You wrote that Haider Alabadi is iraqs last chaps, that sectarian politics is turning iraq into lebanon or b siberia, and the hollowing out of iraq you dont sound hopeful for Haider Alabadi, even if he begins a campaign of national reconciliation. Right. A concern i had for months and years, is americans under president bush and obama are willing to bet and stake our International Security on individuals. Leadership is important. The Prime Minister represents an change, but as i outlined in the New York Times peace, the problems go beyond Haider Alabadi. If you were to install a wonderful leader like nelson mandela, im not sure that he could overcome systematic failures within the iraqi political system because of the entrenched sectarianism and corruption, and the interference of powers like iran, to weaken iraq and keep it upped tehrans control. We had under tehrans control. We had two former ambassadors to iraq on the shot. Both have been critical of the administration. The president took a break from vacation to meet with the Security Council about iraq. You wrote that the National Security staff sa part of the problem staff is part of the problem. Most dont speak the language, and you quote a white house staffer that say you call that inexcusable. Absolutely, i watched the coverage of the president returning from Marthas Vineyard and meeting with the president in the roosevelt room in the white house. From the people pictured around the table. Not one speaks arabic, not one served in iraq, not a single one of them served in the middle east. I am extremely troubled by the this. Having sat in on national Security Council meetings in the past. I know what issues are discussed. I know how serious the matters can be, and are right now. And frankly it troubles me that the president is getting advice from some wellmeaning, very patriotic and hardworking men and women, but none have served in iraq. And that is troubling. Now, you also ask do iraqis want to live with one another. And ambassador, who has been an advisor to the kurds, talked to us and he seemed to think no, the division between shiites, sunnis and kurds will split up the country and talking about the kurds, he thinks the kurd will move on to have their own independent state. I know ambassador galbraith well, he advised the kurds during constitutional negotiations. Hes right. Again, the rule under Saddam Hussein from the 19 70s, 80s, and 90s, left Nouri Almaliki

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