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ALJAZAM Consider This August 29, 2014

At light i am amingz provide evidence russia has intervened directly with combat forces. The mask is coming ground . This is not a homegrown uprising in Eastern Ukraine. The president says that isil is a threat. He really focused on political solutions. That starts with iraqs leaders forming an inclusive government that will unite their country. The world has never seen an outbreak of ebola like this. A case load that could exceed 20,000. It is going to be worse before it gets better. Police have apologized to an Award Winning businessman. Charles bell, for six hours because he was fitting the description. Honorary calm to new orleans. In missouri, he says he would repeat his famous mention. Put your weapons down. We begin with what appears to be a major escalation in the war in Eastern Ukraine. Nato has confirmed that more than a thousand russian soldiers are now operating in ukraine in support of prorussian separatists. While nato satellite images show russian art artful on the ukrainian side of the border providing fire support. At the whitehouse, president obama would not say russia had i knowveyeded ukraine but was continuing actions that had goeg on for months. Russia has deliberately violated the territorial integrity of ukraine and the new images of Russian Forces inside ukraine maybe make that plain for all of the world to see. The president hasnt ruled out military action but says the u. S. And al i recognize would take steps to punish shapiro for actions with additional sanctions. Meanwhile, russias United Nations ambassador blamed ukraine and its supporters for the escalating crisis. The current escalation in the southeast of ukraine is a direct consequence of the reckless policy of kiev, directing war against its own people with the support and under the influence of a number of states, the kiev authorities have torpedoed all political agreements on resolving the crisis in the ukraine. For more, joined from toronto by a ukrainian canadian journalist who worked as Moscow Bureau chief for the Financial Times and serves as a liberal member of parliament for torontos center. Good to see you again. In case it wasnt evident before, we now have nato satellite image reshowing russian selfpropelled artillery supporting prorussian separatists on the john boehnerian side of the border along with video of russian tanks operating in ukraine. President obama wouldnt call that an invasion but rather a continuation of what has been taking place for months and in a sense, he is right. Ukraine has already captured russian soldiers on its soil, so is this in your mind an escalation and are we free to call this a war which nobody seems to be calling it . I think this is an escalation, the president of estonia put out a very strong Statement Today describing this as a russian invasion of ukraine and this isn indeed a direct, clear russian invasion we had that before. Crimea has been annexed by russia. So in that respect, ali, you are right to say this is a continuation of what we have seen. You are think there was a hope we could treat that as separately from the rest of mainland ukraine and what we are seeing now is russia actually directly deploying forces although russia is being could i about admitting that thats the case wishouldnt let russian news speak deter us from calling things by their proper name. Ukraine is not a nato country. Latvia is. Article v of the nato treaty states if a member country is attacked, the response has got to be as if any or all member current trees were attacked and we saw in syria when a missile went from syria totie, they were ready to deploy airstrikes if it werent settled. President obama has said military action against russia is off of the table and he has insisted that u. S. Intelligence shows that economic sanctions on russia have been effective. What do you think . Well, i think economic sanctions were important and i think economic sanctions did play an important role. We had this russian effort to occupy southern and Eastern Ukraine began right after the occupation and annexation of crimea and the russians actually didnt i wouldnt quite say pulled back, but didnt push as hard as they could have done at that time, and i think that they didnt push as hard as they could have for two reasons. The first was the force of the ukrainian counter offensive, bothmit and also the rejection by the ukrainian people in cities like odessa and skokiv of the russians. I think russia was surprised by the strength, especially of the second round, of western sanctions. Ukrainian Prime Minister yanukovych said the government wants to freeze all russian assets. You and i have discussed this. Putins calculations seems to be europe will pay the price and not isolate russia. With each month we get closer to winter, his events seem to be proving him right. Time is certainly on putins side and winter will be difficult for ukraine and europe. Having said that, ali, i think that putin i wouldnt be so sure that putin has a grand strategy. I think he is trying things out, and he is testing. I think thats why he hasnt described this as a direct russian invasion of ukraine. He is still wanting wiggle room. I think we shouldnt assume that putin is going to fully in and take and try to take over these parts of ukrainian territory. The u. S. State department again said on thursday that the u. S. Would supply only nonlethal aid to ukraine. Republican senators john mccain and cylindlindsay graham say th helped lead to this situation, this invasion and that defensive weapons need to be sent. I am not really understanding. Is the lack of weaponry and training and military ukraines problem or a lack of International Resolve to deal with this . Well, look. First of all, ukraine didnt really have ukraine was doing really well up until this stepped up Russian Support for the separatists. You know, when you think about what happened in ukraine, this is a country that had a democracy revolution in february, a country that had a completely corrupted, hollowed out state, a current they are that the minute that that happened had part of it invaded and annexed by another country and had thousands of Russian Armed separatists, maybe of them mersnaries show up in an eastern prove incident and yet the ukraineians were wibbing that war. Thats the whole reason we have seen this direct russian invasion. Ukraine was doing not too bad, was really doing well and thats why we have had russia, putin feeling he couldnt allow the ukrainians to win. Ukraine now, i think, needs three things. Those are three things very much in the interest of the west to provide. The first is we do have to step up our pressure on russia. They are going to be there are going to be some important e. U. Meetings over the weekend. I think there needs to be very serious discussion between the e. U. , between north america and there needs to be a concerted tightening of the economic pressure on russia. The second thing we need to do is find ways to support the ukrainian military, nonlethal aid has been significance. I think we should be thinking about forms perhaps of intelligence support and then the final thing is we have to be starting to look ahead to the wichitaer and thinking about way did to guarantees ukraines energy position. Europe is depend he want upon russian gas. Overwhelming majority of it travels through ukraine. Yeah. That conversation becomes yet trickier but i suspect you and i will have it. Thank you, Krista Freeland from toronto. Turning from the crisis in ukraine to the war against the Islamic State in syria and iraq, i s. Posted video thursday said to show the massacre of more than 100 syrian shoulders captured when a Government Air base fell on sunday. In washington, president obama said the u. S. Was working to build a broader regional strategy to drive is out of iraq. Meanwhile, heather al abadi, iraqs new Prime Minister koptsd to try to form a government that is overrun much of western iraq. For more, i am joined by ambassador fisel, serving as in the United Nations, the founding director of the center for the study of the middle east at indiana university. Mr. Estribadi, good to see you . A pleasure to be with you. What i worked on was the interim constitution for the record. Yes. So this is key the remarkable strement and power of i s and its ability a lot is the failure of the state in iraq that created the vacuum that allows it to come into it. So working on the interim, subsequently, permanent constitution. You were not designing for a vacuum. Why did iraq end up the way its become . One of the lessons of the last last eight years is no group can dominate. If our aspiration, the next dictatorship in iraq we need for a transitional period to work on the basis of a cone sent annual politics. Hasnt been there. Groups, particularly sunnis felt the they became disenfranchised. And to embrace what we used to call isil. Now, its the Islamic State, is, with the results that you are seeing now. And so, hopefully, Going Forward, the Prime Minister designate will learn this lesson and form a government of a Mutual Consent consensus. Eight years ago, we said the same thing about numbouri almalaki. He was outside of political 6 as this new Prime Minister is. We had hopes that that would happen and it didnt happen. What gives you any sense that it might happen now . Well, hopefully, dr. Abadi will have learned the lessons of the past eight years. After all, we have gone through the past eight years. I am also bouyed by the fact that he is a professional. He has a ph. D. In Electrical Engineering from manchester university. He lived in london for some time and saw how a finksi functioning democracy works, how a constitutional democracy works. Hopefully he learned those lessons as well and hopefully the International Community learned some lessons and will be better advisors perhaps than has been the case over the past eight years. Ambassador, if this works, if iraq becomes a proper functioning state again, then is can be relegated to being a f r fearful and dangerous terrorist organization but without the tent cals of infrastructure they continue to develop. A big part of the ants, would you agree with me, is iraq strengthening itself . No qui about that. The way it strength owns itself in the first instance is by getting all groups, authe authethniciti authethnicities, to feel they are franchised, to feel they have a hand on the levers of power. No one should have a monopoly in a constitutional democracy on the levers of power but everyone should feel invested in the new polity. Is what has been missing. Thats created what you saw, accurately called a vacuum. In truth, though, it has been absent in iraq for a long time. You know, we have heard a great deal about the enmity between sunni and shia in iraq but in truth, in truth for 1400 years in many parts of the middle east, sunni and shia and airabs have lived in peace y cant that happen . You know the middle east very well and you know the history of the middle east and you know that you are absolutely right in the statement that the notion that iraqis have been slaughtering each other on ethnocofesional lines is a myth. It has been true for a very long time in iraq. It can be true again. One of the problems thhas been that the United States in 2003 when it entered iraq only saw an iraq of its parts, those who made iraq policy to a large extent now through 1 and a half administrations only saw iraq in terms of its components. Hopefully we can put those days behind us and hopefully, we can empower a new Political Class in iraq which strifes for a paniraqi vision, one of consentual politics, not one of confrontation and certainly not one of violence. Should you said there is a role for the International Community in terms of shoring up the baghdad government but it is the International Community that sort of drew messed up borders in the middle east that we are still paying for today, particularly after the collapse of the ottoman empire. What should we be understanding . What should the International Community, in addition to shoring up baghdad and ensuring Good Governance or trying to out of backgroundad, what should they understand about what the future of iraq, a strong iraq, can look like. A strong iraq is one in which all constituents, all ethnicities and all confessions voluntarily want to be a part of. It is not one in which a group or another is forced to be included in the state of iraq. It is not one in which one group dominates another particularly through coercive means. Is what in my view the definition of a strong iraqi is. In fact, its the only iraq that in 2014 and Going Forward works. That means consensual politics and that means agreement on rather than confrontation and attempting to coerce enforcement of norms as has too often been the case, particularly in the last three to four years. Ambassador, thank you for joining us, sir . My pleasure. Thank you. For more stories from around the world. We begin in the Golan Heights otisis syria border where armed rebels have captured 43 United Nations peacekeepers according to an israeli official, the Group Responsible is the alqaedalinked al nuesera front, one of the groups fighting the asad regime. They are all from the island nation of fiji, part of a u. N. Operation to maintain the cease fire on the border. Thats been in place since the end of their war in 1974. Next, we go to ferguson, miss your e where a group of protesters filed a lawsuit against local officials after altercations in the wake of the shooting of michael brown. Six plaintiffs are alleging civil rights violations. The city of ferguson and stop signs county along with a number of Police Officers and officials have been named as defendants. We end in egypt where three al jazeera journalists remain in prison. The wife of one of the journalists has given birth to their third child. He released a letter to prison written to his new born son in which he said, i was fighting for the truth in my career. That was not easy. Whatever it takes, keep looking for the truth. Never be afraid of it. I want you all to maintain your dignity. It is one of your most precious values, end quote. Here with baher fahmy and peter greste have been detained since last december, falsely accused of had he, the outlawed muslim brotherhood. They were given 7 years sentence did. And an extra three years because he had a spent bullet in his possession which he picked up at a protest. Lawyers for the three men have filed appeals against their convictions. The Al Jazeera Network continues to demand their release. Is some of whats happening around the world. Coming up, the Ebola Outbreak could reach 20,000 people. A massive relief effort is underway. So why might it take another nine months . And nine years ago this weekend, Hurricane Katrina displaced more than a million americans and killed 1800 more people. The man some credit with saving the relief effort will join us, plus, our social media producer, hermella is tracking the top stories on the web. Whats trending . Ali, hash tag Market Basket. The bitter summer battle over the familyowned business is finally, over. Ive got the details coming up. And while you are watching, let us know what you think. Join the conversation on twitter ajconsiderthis and on our facebook and google pages. Dont mean youre lifes ended. 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen premiers september 7th only on Al Jazeera America sglofrnling. The ebola epidemic is accelerating and could infect more than 20,000 people. The World Health Organization said on thursday. With the death total topping 1500 out of more than 3,000 cases, the u. N. s Health Agency laid out a roadmap to fight the virus that could see it stop within 8 to 9 months but even they are uncertain about the time frame. Joining us from dallas is dr. Suma yasna. She is a currently a professor of Public Health at the university of texas at dallas and a staff writer for the dallas morning news. Dr. Yasim, good to see you. Thank you for being with us . Thanks for having me, ali. With this International Attention on the outbreak and the attention it has been getting, it seemed like a response had been mobilized. Why know eight or nine months before they say they can get it under control . Ali, the scale and the speed at which this outbreak is spread something absolutely unpre unprecedent unprecedented. We have had agencies like Doctors Without Borders at the front lines say it was in the past few days that they are maxed out. They are doing all they can do in this region. As of monday, 250 medical workers have become infected with e bobolebola. On the back much that, social countries and agencies are withdrawing their healthcare workers from the region where they are most needed. One epidemiologist with the eu said there could be as many as four times as many cases of ebola, the 3,000 that have already been reported. Its hard to get an estimate, i assume, of these. This is based upon modeling in the Infectious Disease business . Its true and based upon experience. We have seen this in other epdemmics of different diseases actually,

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