Pacey in the Sunshine Band with that's the way I like it thank you so much for your company I'd love for you to join me next Monday night at 10 for part 3 of Nelse kitchen when I'll be cooking up a musical folk treat in Greenwich Village. Kitchen as presented by me Nell Brighton and produced by Jody Keane this is b.b.c. Radio 2 online on digital radio and 188291 at. The d.c. News out 11 o'clock this is James Kelly Bernie Ecclestone has been removed as chief executive of Formula One bringing his 40 year reign of the sport to an end the move was announced by the American company Liberty Media which has completed its 6000000000 pound takeover of the sport Earlier today Mr Ecclestone who's 86 claimed he being forced out President Donald Trump has mocked his 1st full day in office with a decisive shift in America's dealings with the rest of the world he's pulled out of a giant free trade deal with the Pacific Rim countries and warned that he would impose a board attacks on u.s. Companies that move jobs overseas and then import goods Mr Trump is also reinstating a controversial ban on u.s. Funding for international groups that offer abortions the White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Mr Trump was a pro-life president he's wants to stand up for all Americans including the unborn and I think the reinstatement of this policy is not just something that echoes that value but respects taxpayer funding as well and ensures that we're standing up not just for for life for life for the unborn but for also taxpayer funds that are being spent overseas to perform an action that is contrary to the values of this president the authorities in Nigeria have warned that female suicide bombers have begun carrying babies to avoid detection. And do quite reports from the Nigerian capsule Lagos on the 13th of January for females soon. Side bombers approach the town of my golly in our state too well identified by vigilante include guarding a security checkpoint in the town and were told to stop when the devices exploded but 2 of the attackers were able to get past the checkpoint undetected they were mistaken for civilians because they were carrying babies officials told the b.b.c. That the women went on to detonate their devices killing themselves the babies and 4 civilians in 2 similar Tamia splats an investigation into the death of a prisoner has found a catalogue of failure has contributed to his suicide Dean Saunders who was 25 killed himself at Chelmsford prison in Essex last January the prisons ombudsman said Mr Saunders should have been in a hospital not a cell Britain's most successful female boxer Nicole Adams has announced that she's turning professional Last year she became the 1st British boxer to retain an Olympic title in 92 years the boxing reporter Steve Byrne says Adams has a star across the world she would arguably be the most famous for an athlete in traffic in India in Azerbaijan in Russia in Cook many star certainly in practice all she would be the most popular female athlete all around the globe I wouldn't be in places like America maybe Australia and maybe Canada steepens and that's the b.b.c. News. I'd like you to try and imagine your Sunday evenings as if they were a series of fairy exclusive soirees Now let me introduce you to your hosts don't block from 11 if you can't trust the multi award winning lyricist look up your taste in music you can trust if you like great songs or you sing those large helping of mind you've come to the right place this glad tale from 9 class probably one of the most infectious book cost is ever and how could you sum up close if she knew which team you. Sometimes about tonight Music face to join in the party Saturday night from 7 it's b.b.c. Radio to. Hello this is Russell Davis with the art of artists some of whom have a kind of golden age after which they settle down to a more steady career while for others the golden age seems almost perpetual their choice is a good their standards never drop and the formidable career builds up without ever stopping the gossip columnists in the Twitter reality and such is the case with Emily Watson I would be one of the busiest and as we'll see most serious but not faced actresses she has an enviable knack of carrying off the kind of role that's described by the critics as controversial distressing even traumatizing and doing it cheerfully even though there have been a couple of occasions when the portrayal of suffering has required a little recovery time she is not to be confused with Emma Watson who acknowledges that she has a way to go before she develops the same kind of range and who probably wouldn't have chosen to hear as Emily has reasons to be cheerful by Ian Dury and the. Beach or. 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Reasons to be cheerful poem by enduring the pot heads choice of my extreme to welcome guest Emily Watson thank you very much thanks for having me that was a nice musical star you have a need to go looking for reasons to be cheerful are you generally in content I think that being reason speech is a brilliant song because it expresses any kind of. Very animal Koolhaas is Yuri kind of boy everything that people who worry about mental health these days are trying to say to you which is you should be grateful and he just knew that he was an amazing man I the reason I picked that piece of music was because I had the great pleasure of working with him once my very 1st job acting job was at the Royal Shakespeare Company and it's sort of a very unlikely person to become abberation with the Shakespeare Company but it was it was in Jerry and we did a play called a jovial crew which was like a band of beggars and it was directed by myself a clock and we felt like we were the insurgents you know in the establishment we with a kind of revolutionaries within the Royal Shakespeare Company and in Gerry wrote the songs to go with this 18th century play and it was fabulous because he it was like a party at his house every night and we went over that you know the band were there and they would stop playing and singing and and he gave me some bones and told me to play them and I still have them so it was off I felt very connected to him and he was very he was very inspiring to be around he took away any sense that being a creative being an artist being in the arts was in any way possible proper It was just give it will let go role and live I loved him for that and I played the song to my kids we sort of do on long car journeys we have it's a bit like a picnic principle crisps something else you can't you see Jeff does something else so they get a choice and we get a choice and we've educated them enough that we can switch he has now one of their choices yeah I only met him the once and it was at Faber the publishers which was a bit pushy I don't know what either of us was doing that really when he came up he surprised me with a bit of rhyming slang he said Oh what a lovely Shepherd's and I took me a moment to work shepherd's pie tie. And one but he was great he always claimed he was from Essex up minister I think but he was actually born in hair oh so you're basically you're more of a Londoner than he was because you were born in is until I was yeah yeah name which covers a multitude. Since all of them are solved but I imagine since your father was an architect you lived in one of the more you know spawn so we lived in what is now a probably very swanky palace was going to end but it wasn't ready then it was very mixed slightly crumbly and rundown but yeah I have very fond memories of just being out in the streets of his name to know my trust goal roaring about him which was possible in the you know no t.v. In the house I understand we didn't have a t.v. In the house I had a quite a strange education upbringing in that we didn't have a t.v. And my friends now refers to it as the hole in my resume I have a whole area of popular culture that I just didn't grow up with and that I have I have accumulated sing sense this includes music so a lot of things musical things I've come to much later in life than other people so when I'm asked the question can you know can you think of 6 songs that are important to you that sends me into a blind panic. But in a way growing up without a t.v. Was very good for you must have gone into the because I was reading books Yeah yeah your actual education not that you organize yourself prove controversial sort of after the fact the New York Times it was Anglican but the school as I understand it was run on sort of eastern religious principles which turned out to have relied on fear and intimidation and even cruelty to people though so it later emerged. There was an investigation a few years back and did you witness any of that I did yes I think it was an organization and a school in its infancy that had very little regulation and I lost a very very very high flown kind of idealistic ideas about what they wanted to achieve in terms of education and it with the people who were here with educators supposedly not in the way qualified and it just became very very controlling and quite cruel in a lot of ways and. I mean looking back on it I feel very mixed about it there are things about it that was you know. Inviolable But I I think there were a lot that was the word to get me out of here didn't occur to you in because you grow up with what you think is you know it's a you know it's what it's what it is chosen for you and yeah yeah you progressed anyway to Bristol University but not the Bristol Old Vic snow which you know I did used to grade University which I kind of loved and I did a lot of plays while I was there I says a lot of messing about in the ending price but your drama Training happened in London but only eventually off there were quite a lot of applying went to. Drama schools and didn't get and I sort of didn't really probably know what acting was I kind of had an inkling that it was what I wanted to do but I didn't know what it really meant to embody somebody else such an know what that was so I kind of stumbled away at it for a bit and then I got into drama school and then it just sort of started to fall into place for me I did the r.c. And I. Did ask traditional spear carrying types Absolutely yeah they are a see it's not a bad place to know that and you do a lot of understudying and you do a lot of you watch other people and there's a lot of company and a real sense all of being in part of something which was very very good there of course on stage you get prolonged exposure to directors are no directors or at subject of yours because relationship with the director seems to be more important and more complex for you than for most performers that's correct impression but you've spoken a lot about the more than most actors do I think theatre director and film directors are very different because film directors obviously have a lot more interference to deal with on the well I think yes a theatre director the sort of spread of the Croft is narrow I mean they can be both fish directors and film directors at their best philosophers really they are. Through investigators of the human condition through navigators of the human story and that can either be on stage or in film but on a film or on t.v. They are also the team leader of a massive machine on a film set it's the most collaborative art there is and there are so many different departments doing incredibly different jobs all at the same time all coordinated to exist at the same moment in pin drop silence and then you know they say action and you have to do your job it's when it's working well it's incredibly impressive showcase of humanity ready it's a very thrilling thing to be around but they have to be the generalism our. Attention can go towards our actors we know that the good ones know how to get all the other things sorted out so that then they act as really have their space and know how to make that moment that when you step up and you have to be there that it's truly intimate and truly creative and nothing is imposed fixed or you don't feel forced you feel really that you are being given a chance to discover things as you go along and that is an incredible skill for a director to be able to organize that and let you fly in the same moment then to me Joe has been to the r.s.c. Just to give him credit for that yes indeed and we have been married for 21 years now and he's an amazing man and we've been through many evolutions together because he was an actor when I 1st met him and in that he was a rush for a while but he's now a potter you know we've raised families together and you know we've been through a lot of different places together and you know it's for me in terms of my career it's been a. True constant through the whole thing and he's been always intimately involved in my choices he helps me think about the work I'm doing in my lions and you know he's ready at this. Center of his whole which is you know I don't think I could have done it without him it wasn't long before you popped up at the National Theatre do you did you go straight from the r.s.c. To the National I'm not some progress I was in a production of the lady from the sea at my house and then there chemist meth and then I went to the nationally right yeah I read somewhere that you were virtually unknown when you were 1st whisk off to film land but being at the National as you were at that time I mean that I think my idea of being you know that's true but I had never done I was known in the film world I was you know I was I hadn't done any films before but you've been very much noticed before we get into the film debut Let's get another piece of music from your fascinating selection here what about the one that's the oldest among them at least this version is I don't know whether this version is one you want to actually but it's not by Freddy Sitas dad how did this come to you well when this sort of is jumping forward a little bit when I made punched laugh which is a film I just adore it's like it's like one of those moments in your life where it just feels like a gift and you know if we tried on sacred ground it's directed by Paul Thomas Anderson who I think is you know one of the great American directors and he just gave us a whole load of musical references to listen to and this was one of them and there's something about this but enough one day that is I mean I know Fred Astaire didn't he didn't have a big range but it has appears he saw it and there is a moment in it when it transitions into the words night and day when it is like that moment of the light going on all of just the doors opening and love going into your life and it's delicious and delightful and I love it as well I hope we're talking about the same version of what I have his original 932 version was quite a long orchestral premiered before Fred comes in but I love it because it's got a lovely pseudo voted yes for yes is the array you. Which would be dumb out b.p. To self conscious to top it beautifully done here to set aside that. Mike so be me be Bob Saddam when the Jong Il shadowless bomb block the bomb the same lead mom as it. Is Obama like the drip drip drip from the rain from when the bombers. Boys went then. Read the. News in you. Knew all the. News all you. Saw. The. World to me off on this small matter of dollars you walk around me no. Not. Today I'm numb. Why is. That a this long. Are you. Roaring. Not. At all sob John. Densmore Mamdouh won't be. Alive. Nice Day by Fred Astaire with Leo Ries money and his own 32 a choice from my guest Emily Watson who has claimed she doesn't sing except in the shower etc While I have actually song on film I did a film called credible rock which is directed by Tim Robbins where I played a young actress who was homeless in the thirty's in New York trying to make a way on Broadway and she gets a job sweeping the theater and she gets to sing and they gave me lots of singing lessons and I could sort of saying but they sort of had to make it a feature the part that she got the part because she was young and it looked nice and yeah it wasn't the greatest singer but then Fred Astaire always claimed he couldn't sing out of it all the songwriters loved what he did with it on now back to 99 to 56 and last from trio comes looking for you for breaking the way the least he does and these again of the fortunes of the freelance life which is an actor's life you know when Helena Bonham Carter drops out yes as a very very bad yes she did I think she got cold feet really about the nature of the project because it's very very full on very extreme Amanda but you know as the movie it's you know it's a searing piece about a young woman who's. Chooses to have sex with strangers to you she thinks make her husband well again and he's having some sort of strange least initially fancy that it's good for her you know it's extort of car crash of a human situation it's very stream and it was an amazing opportunity for me and I kind of. I was young enough and foolish enough to jump into a full fee and just go for it and but these things come around to go around down there because you've turned down a couple 3 as the great advantage of all of this Cate Blanchett and. She picked that up on something else I may lay the movie which was actually written for you I think kind of yeah it was but no French then yeah you know I and ship's crew Yes And I just felt very uncomfortable about trying to work in French which really and I didn't do. The Breaking the Waves changed everything for you didn't I read that there was that classic tabla shortly afterwards when you were sitting in a Hollywood hotel and these waves of ridiculous offers were already shouted again upon you and so on because you nominated for the Academy Award and 1st time out yes what is shocking experience radio and I mean fabulous but I think I was a bit teacups meant to take it in a way yeah but do you think it helped that it was a debut I could imagine some internationally is that what you say the bottom car has of saying standing on the dignity and not wanting to be involved sex sexual degradation Yes I think that I think a lot I think if you debate in an actress it would have been hard to fit people to buy into it in a way because I wasn't and. I've met since genuinely thought Oh. You know that I was from that place and of that world yes it was you know because they'd never seen me never heard of me yes part of the reason for that onslaught of script proposals must of course been partly the nomination but also that you were seen as somebody who was and this word has been used so many times about you fearless the edgy comment that in taking on demanding and Hunter virtual parts Yes And so it proved actually Rica's you took on others yes I am I think once you've done it once you feel like it's it's just a challenge and it's in a way it's a great workout it's like an athlete being also compete it's a very high level it's just gives you a. Chance to really really get you teeth into something and lose yourself in something and go to a place that's very demanding and that's very rewarding can be yeah your working relationship