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Transcripts for BBC Radio 4 FM BBC Radio 4 FM 20191213 01000
Transcripts for BBC Radio 4 FM BBC Radio 4 FM 20191213 01000
BBC Radio 4 FM BBC Radio 4 FM December 13, 2019 010000
A very tight contest between the s.n.p. In the Lib Dems that time the seam again in 2019 I suppose the 2 questions really are because both parties have student dance Brax it so it is very much whether the s.n.p. Have been able to reenergize those those voters who came out in large numbers for them in 2015 but but fewer numbers in 2017 that the exit poll pops tells us something about or whether or not the Lib Dems have been able to attract the true union voters who in 2017 lent their support to the Tories have enough of them switched over to the Lib Dems to give them the edge both parties are describing as as very tight so far the Lib Dems certainly think that perhaps the exit poll was it was a bit of a bit off as far as that particular seat was concerned but what we hear is that the s.n.p. Not only ahead the other interesting seat here in Fife is. Very different reasons and 27000 Labor one seat bought from there same with a majority of 259 Leslie Laird she was the the shadow Scottish secretary and for both of those reasons I suppose the numbers and also her profile this was a top and St Pete argot at the start of the campaign but during the campaign their candidate was suspended pending an investigation into allegations of Antti Semitic material he posted online he was suspended by the party they withdrew their support for him but because of the timing of it he still appears on the ballot paper beside the s.n.p. On while he has apologised for for for what he what he did the he has still campaigned and activists have complained on his behalf despite the 1st minister Nicholas sturgeon telling them to go and lend their support their energy in other near nearby constituencies so I suppose the big question is can he win county when Certainly no one is ruling that out and I just. I've just heard him say that he is reasonably happy with the way things are going so far so that is another fascinating scene in Prospect Stephen Gordon thank you let's go back to the northwest of England to Washington Chris valances there are 2 seats in Warrington both held by Labor one Natalie and one more comfortably what's happening Stephen Yes well it's Chris here yet. So I've just been talking to Stephen and no problem at all there are 2 counts going on here as you say in the Birchwood leisure and Tennis Center in Warrington you can probably hear the almost autumnal rustle of papers behind me very busy counting Warrington north is as you say safe had been a safe Labor seat to labor season said 183 so it's a big upset if. Labor seem confident the new candidate Charlotte Nicholls who replaced Helen Jones can hang on to it albeit with a smaller margin but that said you know that the number of votes in so far are still a lot of work going on there. The contest was expected to close in Warrington South Beach in campuses some industrial areas some leafy villages expensive suburbs final Rashid the incumbent Labor m.p. Is defending a 2 and a half 1000 majority and he Carter the conservative candidate and former radio journalist but we won't help hold that against him. Must be feeling pretty confident now that he can overturn. His supporters say so far there's a small advantage that they can detect it's still early days but interesting it is breaking down they say according to whether the area the votes coming in or coming in from areas that will remain or leave Warrington South was just small even more leaves than remain so that may give you some insight into why we're seeing what we're seeing but again you know the still a lot of counting to be done Chris thanks very much will be back when things proceed. Back sublight what you're hearing now well. Well we're counting one spec now but except Ashley is going to a recount now this is a seat held by Ian Lavery He's the chairman of the Labor Party is a strong brick city in a brick satiric constituency and last time he had a majority of movement 10000 but this has gone to a full recount tonight his challenger is I think a 26 year old conservative called Jack Gephardt he's a more pathetic ounce of him and I think you spoke to me a Lavery not that long ago an hour or so ago he seemed then quietly confident so I don't think this is necessarily a situation that anyone expected here this evening in terms of that more surprises than to come it might be it would seem like it the fact that it's gone to a full recount a man whose share of the vote went up in 20152017 I beg your pardon and he had this massive majority the fact that it is going to a full recount not even a partial recount a full recount suggests that it must be very very close we're told that we'll have the results in about another half an hour from now but there are a lot of sort of anxious faces around the whole Thanks very much for that Phil let's just go to you and I just made a point about the early earlier I said that in the exit poll a large number of seats which were too close to cool but that meant the majority could go up as well as down. One but was one of those but it was marked as labor so in the early tallies an exit poll once but was done as a Labor seat albeit to just go we're hearing rumors as well the red car. Has basically probably gone conservative that was also a seat that isn't was in that labor tally but Mark too close to call so you know it's incredible if we're going to get some that I think it is it is however also true that judging by the exit poll as we move south because we're saying earlier we will not be seeing some of these quite dramatic as dramatic shifts we're expecting these in bits of the northwest and particularly to the northeast. But still that when these are astonishing results are we said anything at this point about the so-called remain alliance. Hasn't been terribly successful in that would be the 1st point we would make about it just on Labor's vote by the way and Bracks it has fallen more in leave voting areas but it has also fallen in remain voting areas it's just fallen less dramatically in the Senate is a benefitted list American and in general what you're seeing snatch is Nort a huge improvement in many seats overall in the conservative share the vote what you're seeing is the labor share of the vote plummeting so far by sort of you know 12 percentage points the conservative vote rising slightly. That's that doesn't isn't as it doesn't matter because you're massive swing of the sort of 910 percentage points swing we've been seeing in some states. But it but it is mostly because Labor's vote is forming and Labor's vote we have the exit poll the underpinning values of the exit poll basic have Labor's vote falling amongst every single demographic group so thank you well we'll talk about moving So so let's do that and go to Wilcher and to see it's interesting seats in in Swindon Swindon says is held by the secretary of state for justice no less Robert Buckland with a relatively slim majority of 2 and a half 1000 last time and it was clearly one that. Was going to be hard fought but under the conditions that we're seeing tonight maybe Robert Bucklin is feeling a bit confident are you. Well Jim Boyd up by the North Swindon result on Wall Street's I think a bit foolish of anybody to extrapolate a complete. Result from a neighboring seat traditionally the Swindon seats have gone with the government I'm optimistic I can see the ballot papers being very fight before me and my team I wrote there I'm not going to judge precisely what the result is but I'm feeding in a good mood if you look at the northern seat in the city in the turn Justin Tomlinson your colleague I'm in more or less doubled his majority indeed 16000 share of the vote that does give me confidence that we can do the same I've been out in the wind and rain talking to many voters and also interestingly my secret is a bit of a microcosm of the u.k. I've got a bit of everything really in it it is those states traditionally perhaps have been seen as more blue collar where there's been a lot of support for the conservatives today a real surge that I feel will be reflected in the results tonight Well what's interesting about this let's assume that that you prevail but even if you don't it's quite clear that there is likely to be a conservative government with a comfortable majority come to morrow. What do you think. But biggish majority would do for but Boris Johnson in this sense what kind of administration would he run what would he do with the relative freedom that a majority of that kind could give him well if he does prove to be the case I think the 1st thing that he and indeed the team will do is look at where those seats of come from and I'm seeing a very much across country coalition of seats it's not no longer the case it seems to me if these results are extrapolated across in the way they're think they're going to be that it's that that that the Tories are the party of the South in the southeast anymore this is a truly national party. Making the point in the studio of course and it needs to go on and so on but you know banging on is a One Nation Tory but. Which one was what she always has but he was making the point that quote what would happen as a consequence of this kind of result of it if it persists is that the party in Westminster has to reflect that it is going to be broader by the nature of this result and that will change its tone I think it's a very good thing and you know Jim that as a proud Welshman but a pro Tory I've long believed that the strength of the party has still lie and it's true reflection of the whole of the u.k. And that's why for me getting you know seats like Bly and seats in the north is such a powerful to put in a club really it helps liberal Tories like yourself well ah and I think it helps Boris Johnson because when he talks about a One Nation Conservative government he actually means it in I've been given the privilege of serving him in his 1st cabinet and I'm more than happy to do so because I believe that he shares those values he wants to govern in a way that will include the Left Behind communities that will level up parts of our country that have felt excluded. And we'll understand that the Bracks it wasn't just about the issue of Europe it was about that question of being and feeling left behind now it's a huge challenge for any government but I believe that Boris Johnson the conservatives are up for it we are up for this challenge and we want to get on with making 2020 years of progress Robert Buckland a secular state for justice but more to the point candidate in Swindon sir this evening thanks very much for sparing us time from your current Ross Hawkins what are you hearing and receiving on your phone which is red hot this is it's really amazing for nearly as much as Little does it all for me new special model for the. Moment as we said it's in the service contact I was in. 2 days ago with one of these tactical voting campaigners and they were saying they were supporting Labor but it was all about getting tactical vote out on the face of it across the country to answer a question from 2 minutes ago it doesn't seem to have much in effect with the cafe at the canary which of course was the remain option for many of the seats at least in quite complex close ones thinks that it's held all 4 of seats so it thinks maybe it's helped a bit there and intriguing thought from a senior member of tourism ace team you just gave me a ring saying if only Labor had done the deal with the Tories 3 men when they were trying to get together and they wanted to get a one spectacular ration chairman of the Labor Party. Number given to each candidate was as follows. Michael Flynn Christian Peoples Alliance 178. Jack Alexander got the Conservative Party candidate at $16310.00 votes. In Lavery Labor Party 17000 was was. I hear Lavery Labor Party 17124. Steve Leyland the Green Party 1217. Stephen Antony leader well that is the term of the Labor Party in levity scraping whole time in a seat which has always been considered very safe x. Mining say to Northumberland his own territory of one's back and he's got a majority there of under a 1000 now over the conservatives with a vote of 17124 I don't know if Mr Levin is can speak it might be worth hearing what he's going to say different what has been happening to his party this evening in which he is the chairman member of parliament for the ones that constituency was the above. And he is going to say something not. Was a close call. Just clear some record my. Function to the staff here at the loyal lover though no certain Be sincere function to the people involved in the coltan everybody who is organized in here to know you're doing a terrific job you all deserve a real art on the box your function very much for the art a lot of people would like the sun but all of that going to do with 3 years in order to do that we've got a very fair we've got a very fair election with the individuals concerned you know what democracy years a funny thing. We should all live by the rule of democracy and I think that's certainly which is a very important I think as it being a Brick City only action and I think we've seen the situation in the world shouldn't just delighted by the weird to be reelected to the to be the m.p. For one's birth it's such an honor such a privilege to to represent the people of this period front past the constituency and I look forward to represent everyone and want not just the people who supported me but in the party at the election every single person they just hearing from in labor he scraped time with his seat Let's cross now see to speak to Cornelius Lysaght he's there for us at the b.b.c. Now to save one of them writers and yet we have to if everyone has Could he says usual role for us at Cornelia's to tell us what's happening way you are tell us about the seat Yes hello good evening or good morning from the Westland entertainment venue in Yeovil the name a nod to the best known employer around here and votes from the oval constituency and neighboring Somerton and Froome. Counted in the ballroom here these areas once liberal Democrat strongholds the late Lord Ashdown Paddy Ashdown m.p. Cornelius Well for start. We're just going to cross. We're going to go in a minute more than a minute to a declaration we thought we had one cornélie Steve Carrell just Paddy Ashdown m.p. For Yeovil for nearly 20 years but these 2 seats the oval and Summit and Froome of being comfortably conservative for the last 2 parliaments hopes high that the Lib Dems could actually make inroads into the big majorities of Marcus 15 Yeovil and David Warburton in Somerset and Froome and this could bode well for the Liberal Democrats fortunes in the south west of England in the future but at a venue where Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs are in pantomime action this Christmas there's a lot more grumpy or maybe going on which I found it really. Let's go let's go to the lead at the daily plan to have the show and. Seeking great it is always there for the working too and constituency do heat I hereby declare that the total number of votes cast for each candidate was as follows. Nikki independent 842. Thank. You Heyman Labor Party. 16312. Thank you. Huge Neil liberal Democrat. 1525 thank you I've been sued and boy Alan 87. Thank Jenkinson mark the Conservative Party 20000. 30. 102-0400 incident 88. Perry Jill Green Party 596 thank you all could David Fricke seat party 1749 thank. Their fall. Mark in Jenkinson is Julie elected as the Member of Parliament for the working student constituency. Well the historic times here working to this has been a labor constituency for most of the last 100 years the total number of votes cast was 41692 let's just talk about what this means and that's a 10 percent swing from Labor to the conservatives. In the seat which you know had been much discussed but let's not and it's a shadow environment it's the 1st big name to go 2nd. Conserved again it's a seat which basically with a very brief exception during a by election has been held by Labor since 1900. You know and in the end actually that wasn't even that close. That's that's turned out basically a 10 percent majority into a 10 percent conservative majority and it was obviously became the seat to be talked about on this campaign was and it was like the profile of what the conservatives were aiming today yeah and they've they've achieved it I mean a new Met numerically on their target as this was 62nd but I mean a slightly odd East Kilbride declaration sort of number of course called for each candidate which is 4 was. Margaret Ferrier. Scottish National Party. 23775. Was. Jade when. We brought in a quarter of the. 18504. Chinese was if my count. You've kept. 620 in a. Monarchy vote. Scottish liberal Democrats. $2791.00 and. I try to deal with. Scottish Conservative and Unionists. 8054. And that the play of the moderate fairly out is awake to I. I. Was Going To School brag but you went to rather not that far away that's rather Glen in Hamilton West and that is significant because Margaret Ferrier for the s. And p. Has gamed that from the Labor Party with the majority of just over $5000.00 and that's the 1st of several seats that we would expect in Scotland to go that way. Phil Yes I bet bear in mind that right at the top of the program we said that of all the bits of the exit poll the bit that we were most unsure about was the situation in Scotland and that's partly because there were fewer sampling points about because there were lots of marginal seats and you needed to be a little bit careful about what might happen there. I'm just very quickly looking to see how far we are away from the prediction she maybe that maybe well it doesn't matter but what you know it does it does it doesn't I'll tell you know what's really want does matter I'll tell you why does that I think is slightly less good in terms of the swing for the s.n.p. Than we might have expected which means if it turns out that this holds across all the seats that although they've taken this seat maybe they won't take quite as many as we were predicting at the top of the probably had a tight stilt if it's an s.n.p. Going it's another Labor loss they're moving Ross in Mary labor Scottish m.p. Turning out for his count I think the country spoken if the party doesn't listen then the party will get everything that they deserve in money of course who broke with carbon but 2 years ago oh darling to Declaration important one because if you talk to your bank you know his number of things from the winter he said this is Paul. Brown can enjoy indeed and tonight he. Championed Jen. 17600. Calories. In the House 2097 Gibson piece and I think so because there are around 29 tax incentives we've got in 10 from. I think that's Jenny Chapman out she was the Sunday breakfast in the sack and she was I'm from all these from the bench before rejoining it's a good night again I spoke I spoke to her I went to visit the constituency and I put this point to and she said oh you know what happened last time we had sky here we have babies everyone turns up it happens every time she was really confident she wasn't going to lose a seat she had a pretty confident pretty well dug in servant of candidate who had been there for quite a long time that was the key thing and we. Lose another fighter if you like on the right of the Labor party someone close to k. Stern one of his lieutenants gone and someone else gone from that side of it and how that balances up in the night will really matter which is talking about where it's been taken from Labor's Jenny Chapman and gone to the conservatives let's head back to Doncaster and our colleague Justin Webb Justin what news have you. Heard there yes Don virally one of the 3 constituencies being counted here and I should say we're not close to the the actual results I don't think actually have any of the 3 of them but don't vally which is Caroline Flin
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