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News is read by Chris Aldridge Boris Johnson has said the government will announce further plans today for what is called fundamental changes to the system for dealing with convicted terrorists following yesterday's attack on shoppers in south London so Desha a man stabbed 2 people in Stratton before he was shot dead by police a device strapped to his body was described by officers as a hoax the 20 year old had been released from prison recently after serving half his sentence for terrorism offenses and attack near London Bridge at the end of November in which 2 people died was also carried out by a convicted terrorist who'd been freed early Here's our Home Affairs Correspondent Tom Simons Sudesh a man was jailed for 3 years and 4 months in December 28th seen after pleading guilty to having and distributing terrorist material he had already served some time waiting for his trial and having completed half of his sentence he was released last month a man was on the police surveillance yesterday and within minutes of him starting his attack it appears to have been armed covert police officers who shot him dead it's 2 months since the murders that fishmonger's hall in central London also committed by a recently released prisoner with a terrorism conviction this latest attack will put even more pressure on counter-terrorism police and the justice system to closely assess the risk the home secretary pretty Patel has promised new measures imminently those measures will build upon the actions that we've already put in place very swiftly in terms of investing counter-terror police overhaul in the licensing conditions and the licensing regime around counter-terrorism offenders and ending the early release of counter-terrorism offenders it's right that these individuals are kept behind bars and we need to stop their early release from prison a man in his forty's stabbed in yesterday's attack is no longer can. Headed to be in a critical condition another victim in her fifty's has been discharged from hospital a 3rd in her twenty's is being treated for minor injuries caused by glass broken in the shooting police say this was an isolated attack and their investigation is proceeding at pace our reporter Daniel the Simone was at the Old Bailey when a man was jailed in 2018 he has this profile of the man behind yesterday's attack Sudesh mom was jailed for possessing and distributing terrorist propaganda and instructional manuals including several relating to noids such as bloody Brazilian knife fighting techniques he smiled while being sentenced at the Old Bailey for 13 terrorism offenses a man had been arrested in 2018 on suspicion of preparing an attack but that was not the offense he was charged with an alarming picture emerged the college student pledged support to the Islamic state group spoken of wanting to die as a martyr and told his girlfriend she should kill her far parents in what now sounds like a warning a man had written of his preference for knife attacks and discussed whether he would stand his ground if police ever came to arrest him. The prime minister will today underline his opposition to e.u. Demands that the u.k. Should follow rules laid down by Brussels as part of a post breaks a trade deal in a speech to business leaders and ambassadors in London he'll give notice that the u.k. Will set its own regulations more from our Political Correspondent Chris Mason Boris Johnson wants a relatively loose long term arrangements with the European Union and its what he will call an ambitious Free Trade Agreement which opens up markets and avoids the full panoply of e.u. Regulation citing Canada's agreements with the e.u. As a model crucially he will insist that there is no need for such an agreement to involve accepting e.u. Rules on competition policy subsidies social protection or the environment Mr Johnson will adds that the u.k. Will maintain what he will call the highest standards in these areas and claim they will be better in many respects than those of the e.u. But will not commit to this in a treaty with Brussels the prime minister will say if a deal comparable to calendars can't be achieved a looser arrangement still would suffice in either case I have no doubt that Britain will prosper he will say be used chief negotiator Michel Barnier will publish a draft of the European Union's objectives for the trade negotiations with the u.k. The 2 sides won't sit down in earnest until the document is approved by all member states towards the end of the month. The biggest operator of ferries in the Irish Sea has said it expects there to be checks and inspections between Great Britain and Northern Ireland because of bricks it Stener line so they believe the checks will be carried out in the British ports Here's our economics editor Feisal is the government's message on Irish Sea ball ejects has been mixed over the past few months the clear implication of the new Bracks it deal that there would be checks on trade from Great Britain to Northern Ireland has been contradicted by some ministers now Stana line has acknowledged that new checks and border facilities will be required and it's planning how and where they would work the company says it hopes we don't get to the point where it needs to start to build large amounts of infrastructure an extensive trade deal would remove the need for some though not all of the checks and customs technology could help but a senior executive at Stener in Hampton said if no trade deal was struck by the end of the year the company would encourage a rethink by the government over its refusal to extend the transition period fears about the corona virus outbreak triggered a sharp fall in share prices in China as the financial markets reopened after the Lunar New Year holiday the force came despite China's central bank announcing it was pumping more than 130000000000 pounds into the economy Robin Brown reports from Shanghai the government tried to preempt the mass sell off but so far investors have bailed out across the board more than $400000000000.00 of value has been wiped off the markets here the Shanghai composite is down by 8 percent and all this is China's economy is already suffering a slowdown in growth the number of people killed by the virus here now stands at 361 up around 15 percent on yesterday's figure just over 17000 are infected state media has continued to make much of a new hospital that's been built in the city of New Hire the epicenter. Of the outbreak in just 8 days it can treat up to 1000 patients voters in the u.s. State of Iowa will have their say tonight on who they want to be the Democratic candidate in the presidential election in November the Iowa caucuses marked the start of the state by state selection process polls suggest the Bernie Sanders holds a narrow lead over the former Vice President Joe Biden. Prince William has strongly criticized the lack of diversity in the nominees for this year's Bafta film awards in his speech at last night's ceremony he said men and women from all backgrounds and ethnicities should be recognized as Chichi is under reports the award some cells were dominated by one film and the Bafta goes to 97917 was inspired by the grandfather of this direct assuming days he fought in the 1st World War It won 7 categories including Best Director and Best film the film wasn't the only thing which dominated the ceremony diversity or the lack of it was called out by Baptist president of Cambridge not for the 1st time in the last few years we find ourselves talking again about the need to do more to ensure diversity in the sector and in the awards process that simply cannot be right in this day and age in a female directors were nominated and 20 nominees in the acting categories would want something like you've been exposed systemic racism and he picked up his award for leading up to the Joker I think that we send a very clear message to people of color that you're not welcome here people that have contributed so much to our medium and our industry in ways that we benefit from Jayco one a take 2 or 3 back of the readings included many ways are we going to have the trail of g.d.p. . Chichi as and they're reporting and it is now 9 minutes past 7 it was a quiet Sunday afternoon in Stratham in south London quad That is until 20 yr old today walked into a convenience store grabbed a kitchen knife from a display on the wall and stabbed anyone he could people on their way to the shops pubs cafes and the cinema a man who was wearing a fake suicide vest was only stopped when he was shot by police who would soon emerged. Been following him he'd been released from prison just days earlier and was still considered a risk in a moment we'll speak to a former crown prosecutor he says he warned Boris Johnson about the threat posed by radicalized terrorists 1st though let's hear from one of those who rushed to help the victims Dave Jonah had been on his way to a movie. I had what I thought at that time was a car backfiring I turned back and turned around and saw a small group of people around a man who was on the floor who was incredibly distressed he was holding his right quarter and that was blood everywhere and it just happened to have a blanket my back and I gave it to you to help stem the bleeding and I ran to the nearest crossroads to wave down the ambulance which took quite some time to get there I find it incredibly frustrating and distressing The ambulance took well over half an hour to arrive there were 5 or 6 cars with armed plainclothes police officers within minutes but the ambulance wasn't arriving and when I asked the police officers I saw that they said that they were in touch with the ambulance service as well and seemed as frustrated as I was what you were counsel just Dave is this how remarkably quickly the time between this man running out of the shop and those shots I mean what you thought was a call but I'm at the shots firing Can you estimate how long it was we're talking seconds no minutes and the things that selfishly if I had not been on the phone to my girlfriend I would have crossed the street and it would have been me that's going to that is as follows Chief Crown prosecutor in the northwest of England and tweeted yesterday that he had warned Boris Johnson not about this man of goals but the danger of releasing still radicalized terrorists morning James Das filed the morning what was your warning to him as he asked me where keeps me awake at night well years ago I told him the imminent release of convicted terrorists without. Property radicalization programs and he then asked What do we do about that that doesn't cost money what I said mentoring and a property radicalism program and he said what I cost money and then moved on let's make it clear that responsibility for what happened yes there was a target at the criminal he is as we know a narcissist who wanted to make a name for himself and I refused to name him but could have been prevented Yes yes a longer sentence of people been talking about sentencing as being the answer we could have delayed this inevitable crime by a few months if we give him that but there is a real problem with the radicalization in this invasion programs they have been largely underfunded. Poorly executed this is all down sadly to the impact of austerity on the probation service will isn't it also because they're not yet proven to work in other words you may want them to work there may be some cases where they do work but in the end they this is an act of faith on your part isn't it that they would work in this man's case where they want exactly you don't have a case case basis but you know that for example Saudi Arabia Malaysia Sri Lanka and Denmark have world renowned evaluated the radicalization programs properly resourced which are making a significant it was going to Denmark for example you know I think 98 percent success rate or something of that nature yes 2 percent means one person may do something terrible but there are programs that work the ones that we have in this country where there's an x. There are excellent examples Nick where to radicalize former extremists work and prevent this from happening but I've heard myself the government don't want to work with for makes treatments because they wouldn't get through the vetting a chemist and so just one last brief on it if you would use a striking phrase a moment ago you say a longer prison sentence would have delayed this inevitable attack are you saying that you know if we lock people up the longer unless we lock them up for life they will still attack without the right programs I'm saying that there is no formal mechanism to risk assess them and they will commit this crime unless something is done about this in the prison yes longer sentences will have an impact they just delays the inevitable again as they have cell phones if Crown prosecutor in the Northwest van with thank you joining us. 14 minutes past 7 the 1st caucus will be taking place not just here in the midwestern state of Iowa where there are there are enough registered I wouldn't voters to gather they'll be able to hold a caucus so today there's one in Glasgow and another in Paris there's also another one in Tbilisi which is only worth mentioning as it allows me to say there's a caucus in the Caucasus for the field of candidates is essential to perform well here in Iowa as Jim Messina Barack Obama's campaign manager in 2012 told me. I was not going to decide the winner of the nomination but it is going to decide the losers you know there are some candidates who absolutely have to do well in Iowa to springboard their candidacy a good analogy is 2008 when Barack Obama had to win Iowa to kind of catapult himself past Hillary Clinton in the polls and we did and he went on to win so there's candidates like Mayor Pete buthe judge Senator Amy close are you know those candidates have got to kind of do a win place or show to get the momentum the money and the enthusiasm to continue on you know it's pretty clear that the front runners Bernie Sanders Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren are going to have enough momentum and money to continue on no matter what happens but for some of the candidates down a little bit they've got a move in Iowa is there anything that can stop but he sounds as he seems to have the most committed bill meant to grassroots support organization and he seems to be getting up in the polls though it's kind of almost relentless it's a tank munching towards you Well the interesting thing about Bernie is like you know I was always been a very good state for him and in a primary when you have this many candidates having a base is very very important Bernie's challenge is that the view and I very much share of the spear as he'd be the worst candidate of all the major Democrats against President Trump and a general election and that's the rationale for the candidacy of Michael Bloomberg it's why Joe Biden continues to lead the national polls because Democrats are absolutely desperate to be told Trump and Bernie's challenge is proving to a bunch of naysayers that he can win a general election you know the issue here isn't who can excite the base right there is a stupid debate in my party about do you know meet someone who can excite the base or do you nominate someone who can get people in the middle to vote for them and if you look at the last 3. Democrats to win the presidential in America Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton Barack Obama they were able to do both characterize how you think the messaging from Donald Trump and from whoever emerges as the Democrat counted it would be the kind of framing of the debate President Trump superpower is dominating the news but in his day to day dominate the news he doesn't talk enough about economic issues because the states that are that are going to decide this election Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan those states are dominant economically people want to know why their economies haven't grown as fast as the rest of the country and they want real plans you know it's much like the voters in the north of the u.k. Like those voters these voters are very economic focused and the Democrats have got to have an economic message to those voters that make sense to them and President Trump needs to stop talking about impeachment he just stop talking about whatever his daily thing is and really discuss what he's going to do to make these people's lives better do you see any sign of buyer's remorse from those people who voted in 2060 because I've got to say that when I travel around the country I still find people remarkably consistent and feel that they made the right choice with him in the Midwestern states there are voters who voted for Donald Trump who have said you know especially on the trade issues we have some buyer's remorse we're very worried about what this trade fight has done and so today he has the worst poll numbers in Pennsylvania Michigan and Wisconsin that any incumbent president has ever had worse than Barack Obama worse than the 1st George Bush when he lost worse than George w. Bush and so we are talking about a really small margin for both of these parties and it really matters very much who the Democrats nominate for president Jimmy Siena thank you very much it's coming up to 90 minutes past 7 How does that go. Persuade power companies to invest in green energy is a problem they've got to solve if they're to have any hope of meeting their target of net 0 carbon emissions by 2050 years down with more yes nick off Jim the energy regulators having a crack at solving part of their problem this morning by putting out its 1st plan for greening the energy transmission network the wires that get the power to our homes John Briley is as of today a chief executive at off Jim I don't know what's a problem with the network as it is what's wrong with it so look the government has set us one and I stand business climate change targets in the world and what we're saying today with this plan is we the regular are full square behind supporting them to deliver against that goal so what's the challenge right now so do so 2 things 1st of all as customers we may need to use our energy differently to get the best out of that system and the network needs to grow to make sure we can accommodate all those electric cars and new forms of generation now remember if we do all that if we invest now then there are good reasons to believe cost might come down as technologies change cost comes down quite dramatically so teach on just $1.00 is lots of electric cars the current good could handle them so if we use the grid more efficiently than the current We can handle most of them we may need to invest more but lecture cars are a great example when you look forward at the projections electric cars are almost going to be almost as cheap or cheaper than ordinary cars and they're much much cheaper to run we think about those offshore wind farms 5 years ago they were extremely expensive now they're a 3rd of the price and still falling and becoming cheaper than new forms of generation so what we're saying today is we'll invest now we'll build the network we need and we'll make sure that we have the most cost effective pathway to 25 percent So whose job is it to come with come up with the individual plans for investment well the companies are already coming forward with their plans now over the Georgia job to say yes or no Exactly so over the course of this year we're going to be looking at those plans and we're going to be driving a very hard bargain with those companies we've already said to those companies and their investors based on today's evidence that we're going to be bringing returns down and we think we will take. Back 6000000000 pounds through that process but yes we do need to invest in that work to make sure we can make transition more investment will mean higher bills well more that's meant does mean higher cost but there are reasons to believe that cost might come down in other ways 2 ways in particular 1st of all the returns investors get might come down and we think they will based on current evidence and equally as technologies change the overall cost of our system may come down and mention before those offshore wind farms but also think about electric vehicles soon will have vehicles at the same prices or even equals but much much cheaper to run how does all this square with the with the price cap there the retail price cap which which you which you have to look after slightly Will you be able to keep to that price cap and generate enough returns for these energy companies to pay for the investment so the core of our mission is to protect customers now last year we introduced the price cap and that put a $1000000000.00 pounds back in customers pockets we will be watching like a whole the activities of the companies to make sure they are moving this transition in the most cost effective way and treating their customers well thank you very much Jonathan really from off Jim. Don thank you very much just coming up to 22 minutes past 7 a United Nations flight carrying critically ill patients is expected to leave Santa International Airport in northern Yemen today for the 1st time in more than 3 years the opening of the medical bridge has taken 2 years of difficult negotiation between the Saudi led coalition which controls the airspace and who feel for it is in charge on the ground at least except reports from Santa. It's only warm winters daily here in the sun and that's the sound of fear it could be any power. But there's a difference most of these children are critically ill most of all rocket She's a thin 13 year old with a protective face mask. Is going to smile it's through the military is the for us through them and have class Ragatz father of speaks proudly of this daughter there's something he doesn't want you to know she's waited so long for a flight her body is now full of cancer are you able to tell her because if she knows maybe something. Everything will be changed. If she stays in Yemen as the doctors say both legs would have to be removed to amputate Yes but it will be imitated sometimes she said they were do not want. My father to . Are you worried about you. Know what I said. This is the only cancer hospital in Yemen and I are going into the cancer ward for the children inside this room in the ads for little boys. To hear last from chemotherapy wearing woolen hats alley pulls his hat down over his eyes one of them is bulging and white as mine is the. National has just sent out in Santa what would have caused Ellie to do society like this I think is there a case of little blastoma and I feel more in the eye because planned the plans for this but if this little boy was able to leave the country he could get a new I yeah. The space and the Secure of that that meant After he can with it if not him it after so I stiffed. To be a doctor the sickest food for you what does that make you feel. Sometimes old is the best you can sometimes i. Would think. So some a Airport has been closed to commercial flights for 3 years now so time to Begum of the Norwegian Refugee Council in Sana what this amounts to is a death sentence for thousands of sick Yemeni civilians who have been unable. To get out of the country for urgent medical care there has been the use of blockade which has prevented food fuel and medicines coming into the country this means that the health of them is barely functioning that's not enough equipment there's not enough medicines for people with chronic conditions on able to be treated. Here at Sana International Airport and that's a World Food Programme plane taking. There's only a handful of the flights departing here every day the Saudi led coalition. Is Steve's. Symmetry in Sano gravestone after green stone December tree as big as far a verse 6 football pitches or more. And today amongst them 17 year old a wab he has a story about a war which shuttin airport and caused his father's death. Under the earth and have it was all he had the seriousness of the liver he was able to get made this enormity inside but after the book had began the medicine disappeared we couldn't find it if the airport had been open we would have been able to travel through there any promises that you could be flying. For 2 years but they kept promising he would travel and now you are in flight we had everything ready this war has destroyed everything many patients have died just like my father. Lee's Doucette reporting there it is 26 minutes past 7 Robin is here with this post is moving up in a has plenty of ambition in the quote serving in rugby union head coach Eddie Jones before that 6 nations opener in Paris against France talk of confronting the French with physical brutality and of building the best rugby team ever well it all sounds a bit hollow this morning doesn't it following a desperate 1st half performance which left his team treading 17 nil and where there was a 2nd half revival of sorts from with 2 tries when Johnny may eventually was out of 2417 to France could hardly be described as an injustice Here's a clip from Jones's post match interview certainly was slow and the blocks we were feeling a bit sorry for ourselves and to kill time and let the situation get to a spin and half time we took responsibility belief of the situation and I thought the response of the boys was absolutely magnificent Well let's hear now from another Jens Iraq because Paul and Chris morning Chris more than ever Eddie Jones says we were sorry for ourselves and out of kilter sorry for themselves what do you mean by that you think I think a few things didn't go England's way in that 1st half that wanted to little opportunities the pools would drop they want able to score any points after a little bit of pressure in that 1st 20 minutes and maybe saying then England went off script and started to lose their way mentally but yeah it was a very sorry performance from England in that 1st half especially 24 nil down they were at some point and instead of getting the kind of performance we thought we might get for the World Cup semifinal against New Zealand it was a repeat of the final regular completely overawed what happened to that brutal physicality was talking about well this is the thing with it James isn't it Rob you just have to read his autobiography to know the store the importance he places in these pre-match war of words he has their own personal consultant down Australia he liaises with on a daily weekly basis about his messages however when it works like against the All Blacks in that semifinal he. Genius and when he doesn't he just looks a little bit silly the whole plan is to take the pressure off his players by dominating the media narrative but actually when things like this happen in the past week heaps more pressure on the players and that may be told on the weekend so how likely is it you think to turn down the the pre-match psychology Well Jones will have another plan this week and I wouldn't be surprised if it does shut up shop slightly but this game against Scotland now takes on a whole new significance you got a Scottish side you haven't had the best preparation but play pretty well out in Dublin they hold the Calcutta Cup They want Murrayfield against England 2 years ago and in their lives again on the road and they've got 2 really good sides in in Wales and Ireland coming to Twickenham So it's a big one America and they may not have managed to Langley at their disposal cause I'll be surprised if they do yet because to like us at these chronic growing problems for years what he says now is the moment he feels it's great he comes off the pitch straight away and even if it might not be a 6 month kind of injury are expected to out for the next couple of weeks and that will leave him alone without any and without belief in a poll or 2 of their most potent ball carriers Christians thanks very much indeed when they were in the 6 Nations meanwhile produced in 1913 away we differing in against France well and defeated scored in 814 but Wales they lost 115 to Italy and elsewhere a stunning go on his top one debut for new signing Steven Berger and said his side on their way to a 2 new win against Manchester City Spurs 4 points from the top 4 this morning Well Bernie Drew Neil Neil with Arsenal and the Kansas City Chiefs came from behind to beat the San Francisco 49 ers by 31 points to 20 in the Super Bowl in Miami so the tips both to the media today 255 Number 6 ladies Jen 325 number 3 fantasy 0. 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Quick look at the weather now very windy showers all spells of rain for many cloudy with the rain across the false self and you're listening to today on Radio 4 with Nic Robertson and John Siple of time guys 29 minutes to 8 now a summary of the news from Krystle Tritch new measures for dealing with people convicted of terrorism offenses will be unveiled by the government today following yesterday's attack on shoppers in south London police shot dead Sudesh a man shortly after he stabbed 2 passers by in Stratton The 20 year old was released from prison last month after completing Hoffa's sentence for terror offenses one of those injured is no longer in a critical condition the other was discharged from hospital a 3rd person suffered minor injuries from glass when officers opened fire the e.u. And Britain are to lay out their visions for post breaks a trade deal Boris Johnson will say there is no need for the u.k. To agree to follow e.u. Rules as part of a trade agreement in argue that the u.k. Will maintain the highest standards for workers' rights and environmental protection without the compulsion of a treaty Brussels chief negotiator Michel Barnier will publish a draft of the E.U.'s objectives. The biggest operator of ferries in the Irish Sea Stener line has said it expects there to be checks and inspections between Great Britain and Northern Ireland because of breaks it Mr Johnson has repeatedly said there would be no checks on goods arriving in Britain from Northern Ireland shares listed on stock exchanges in China have fallen sharply in response to the coronavirus outbreak financial markets reopened after an extended holiday for the lunar new year the number of deaths from the virus now stands at 361 with more than 17000 infections voters in Iowa are preparing to pick their preferred Democratic party candidate to face Donald Trump in the presidential election in November the 1st Us state to make its choice opinion polls suggest Senator Bernie Sanders and the former Vice President Joe Biden are the front runners. Prince William has strongly criticised the lack of diversity in the nominees for this year's Bafta film awards attending the ceremony last night that is simply cannot be right in this day and age the 1st World War epic 91717 Bafta is including Best Film and best director for so Sam and is thank you Chris it is 27 minutes to 8 and now an apology if you thought breaks it had been done and you could think about something anything else he may need to think again today is the day when the negotiations begin again the negotiations about all future trading arrangements with the e.u. In a speech this morning the prime minister will tell them that Britain has made a choice will not follow their rules and regulations in future even if that means agreeing to tariffs let us discuss that now is shank a Singham former trade advisor to the Department for International Trade and now the chief executive of the trade consultancy competition in a moment we'll hear from Lord Mandelson morning to you both the moon Shanker Singh and 1st of all why would anybody say we might agree to tariffs on trade is it simply a bit of negotiating a posturing or is there a possibility ministers might actually agree to this well 1st of all the issue that is causing all of this to happen is the issue of regulatory alignment between the e.u. In the u.k. Going forward in all trade relationship and I think since July of last year it's been pretty clear that the u.k. Was going to on the Boris Johnson's prime ministership opt for a free trade agreement with the e.u. And preserve the ability the regulatory autonomy of the u.k. So in other words to resist what in the jargon coming from Brussels and indeed Dublin yesterday from the teacher is called the level playing field the idea that you can trade with us provided you agree to do things our way you know so the issue with a level playing field is what the e.u. Will want is they want to know that British companies will not be benefited from subsidies and. Other interventions in the market that will put them at a competitive advantage over European companies that are subject to European state aids and the subsidy disciplines what the u.k. I think will be prepared to do will be able to do is to have its own anti subsidy regime its own state Hades regime administered by its own courts and to agree with the European Union that we will probably implement that what they won't be prepared to do I think is to put their whole economic system under European state aids rules and states disciplines and with respect to labor in the environment which of the other 2 areas of the so-called level playing field I think the u.k. Again would be prepared not to derogated from its existing. Trade labor conventions International Labor Organization and environmental treaties you may want to go back to often my 1st question that yes of course you can see the logic particularly for Boris Johnson him say there's no point leaving if you then follow the same rules yes but if you're contemplating tariffs additional costs in doing trade you must feel there is some gain you can have in order to offset that a lot so so so no one wants tire of the u.k. Doesn't want terms the e.u. Doesn't want Taras we start off with 0 tariffs in Zurich on side restrictions we'd like to preserve that for the trade to flow the problem is that it's not possible for the u.k. To agree a version of level playing field that means that it's going to dynamically a law in to European regulation over which it has no control and therefore. The prime minister will say today in his speech they've made a choice the choice they've made is a trade agreement type approach where there are disciplines on both sides in all of these areas but what you can't have is market access for regulatory identical Lety all regulatory harmonization and the e.u. Is very much an outlier on that point so so I think it's legitimate for them to to approach it in this way let me turn now to lower demand. There is before we get into the detail a pretty easy bit of logic here isn't it if we leave it when I want to follow their rules or be pretty old to leave something you didn't want to do of course but to be all for anybody to leave and say well let's follow the same rules read before but we also want to secure the continuity of our trade Nick because. Hundreds of thousands of jobs depend on that look if you take literally what the foreign secretary Dominic Rob said yesterday and what the prime minister is saying today they would be putting at risk the trade and jobs in swathes of the u.k. Economy and I simply don't believe that any responsible British government at the end of the day is going to do that I think we need obviously we have to navigate our way through this trade negotiation and I think we need an honest national conversation about how we do so my approach would be would be this 1st of all to seek alignment with the e.u. Rules where we can where there's a clear commercial advantage for Britain to do so and no skin off our noses to do so secondly to continue to operate European environmental labor and other standards and put these into the agreement because the government has already rejected a strategy of undercutting e.u. Produces In other words pursuing a process of negotiation that tries to identify a sector by sector mutual interest and mutual advantage between ourselves and the European Union's rather than pursuing confrontation for the sake of you know again there's a logic in what you say that ministers say they want to undercut so why not put it in writing you say isn't the difficulty this you don't know what the might do in 10 or 20 years' time why would you bind yourself having just left the to something a few you might choose to do it might make you very own competitor but you've got to negotiate at this stage Nick in details not generalize realisations you've got to. Follow a more sophisticated approach frankly in order to arrive at a more nuanced outcome and if subsequent divergence between us is desirable no desirable from the u.k. Point of view I mean then we should agree in advance a process of consultation and arbitration that doesn't plunge us into an all out trade war I've been a European Trade Commission I know a little bit about them the reason I think that u.k. Flexibility will ultimately be met by a lack a lack of e.u. Rigidity despite its strong hand is for these these reasons one although the e.u. Is better placed to absorb trade disruption there is a strong mutual interest in getting a trade agreement because neither side wants trade shocks and also job Secondly although the e.u. Has no intention of tearing up its rulebook in order to accommodate Britain how it applies its rules is open to negotiation and thirdly the so-called level playing field what understandably very important to the e.u. Is not in find in some Old Testament sort of tablets of. Stone It's a set of principles that has to be applied and implemented in ways in which the e.u. Has some choice therefore it may be what therefore it be down to negotiation about how that implementation takes place understood I want to just impact what that means I think you're saying just to clarify whether you are there look if they dial down the rhetoric a bit your saying it's perfectly possible for both sides to agree or that they really want to undercut each other or so there is labelled as Prime Minister I said that we don't so why not put it into our gridlock crucially the 2nd half of that was what the prime minister wants to be able to say is we won't have a system of automatically following your rules we certainly were allow your courts the European Court of Justice to judge that. Can he win that part of the argument in your view I think if he approaches it in a sort of sensible way and dolls' down the rhetoric as you say I thought I believe that he can look you know he should neither enter into this agreement in a spirit of of sort of hubris just because the government you know won a huge honking great parliamentary majority courtesy not least of Jeremy Corbyn or out of pique you know because the e.u. Seems to be introducing you know a new set of negotiating demands that's what happens at the beginning of a negotiation be calm it's a long journey take it step by step set to by step and dial down as you say the rhetoric the megaphone diplomacy because that's going to get you nowhere now you invite me to ask you a question about labor because you raised up Jeremy governor levy on a great feeling for the time maybe to discuss that. If labor in your view makes the wrong choice now for korban success or do you fear as I suspect you did in the early eighty's when you 1st got involved at the top of the Labor Party do you fear that it could be all over. Oh I think there's every possibility that if the Labor Party makes the wrong choice of leader we will almost certainly be looking at electoral defeat again I would be the 5th in a row I think that there would therefore be serious question pox put over the future viability of the Labor Party but fortunately we have alternative talented candidates for the party to choose for choose from and I hope they do not Mandelson shank using him thank you for coming in. 17 minutes to a time for a look at today's papers and news websites nearly all the papers devote several pages to yesterday's events in South London when armed officers shot dead a man who stabbed 2 people on a street in Stratham while many are full of praise for the actions of the police other such as The Guardian question how Sudesh a man was able to attack so soon after his release from prison when he was being monitored so closely the Daily Telegraph says ministers a brace to face immediate demands for all those convicted of terror fences have been freed early to be recalled because of growing fears over public safety the son claims concerns were raised about a man while he was in jail but there's nothing police could do to keep him there a former Chief Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police writing in The Daily Mail says officers will be feeling utterly let down by the judicial system they express uses the attack to make the case for a stronger police presence on our streets that American college the prison de radicalisation breadcrumbs clearly on twerking the Financial Times reports that the Japanese carmaker Nisanit has drawn up plans to pull out of mainland Europe if Britain if the BRICs it leads to tariffs on vehicle imports The paper quotes 2 people involved in discussions as saying the firm would close factories in Spain and France and concentrate production in the u.k. It says Nissan believes that if import taxes make cars built overseas more expensive if it can increase its market share here from 4 to 20 percent the f.t. Goes on to publish a denial by the company that such a contingency plan exists finally the Mail tells on the market town of d.c. Norfolk has been left divided over whether or not to feed a federal flock of $200.00 chickens which have been abandoned by their owners the hens opponents are said to be white for a cocker hoop after the local council threatened to fire on anyone giving them food and I will love is on the other hand all spitting feathers flock e horror show is the paper's headline it is now 16 minutes to 8. He was jailed for 13 terror offenses he kept a notebook in which he wrote his goals for life which included dying as a martyr and going to paradise he told his girlfriend to kill his parents kill her parents I'm sorry yesterday 20 year old sort of man grabbed a kitchen knife from a shop and attacked passers by on a street in Stratford he'd been released from prison just days earlier a b.b.c. Producer watched his court appearance which was for possessing i-s. Recruitment material and instructions on how to wound using a knife and Danielle Simone joins us now what do you remember of that trial where he didn't actually go to trial even pleaded guilty I attended his 1st appearance when he was charged and then when he was sentenced in December 28th. And I remember him quite well actually because we see a lot of terrorism defendants in these in these cases that over 60 people each year charged with terrorism offenses but he kind of just came across as someone who's very radical and someone who was smiling as he was being sentenced and someone who just appeared to have no contrition his whole. And the details of what he was thinking of doing because he wasn't jailed for an attack is shocking when you hear it is shocking and he was arrested on suspicion of planning an attack he just wasn't charged with with planning one there is an offense preparing acts of terrorism which peoples on his are charged with making preparations what flexibility was there for the court after he pleaded guilty and given what he was charged with what flexibility was there over his sentencing. They had a bit of flex the judge would have a little bit of flexibility but I think because it is a huge and then because he pleaded guilty at the 1st opportunity he wouldn't have been able to give him a much longer sentence I mean there is also there is always a possibility sometimes he judges give consecutive sentences on some of the offenses so that kind of step quite on top of the other but this didn't happen it meant that he was getting a 3 year 4 month sentence he'd already been on remand for over 6 months and that means you know he came out last week we think actually and his early release is automatic that Hoff provided he's had good behavior Well now it's automatic I mean it there's no parole board involvement in terms of proving the release he is just released at the halfway point automatically he is then on license so if he breaches the license he could be returned to prison but breaching allies is isn't what he thinks not what he says he would have to be committing another event there would be conditions we don't know exactly what they'd be but he'd have to be doing something that breach those conditions the fact he was under such close a veil and only a week after he'd been released shows the police the security service or as he believed he was still an extreme threat because not all terrorist former terrorist prisoners subjected to such close about to be clear they couldn't influence whether he was released or not it was not possible for the police or the intelligence services a wallet as I can keep is going inside no it wasn't he was or that he would be automatic released last night Daniel to see him and thank you very much indeed coming up at 10 past 8 we'll talk to the man who carried out the inquiry into the radicalizing people in prison when I hear from the mayor of London as well. 12 minutes to 8 and time for thought for the day the speaker in our studio this morning is the Reverend Dr Jane Leach the principal of Wesley house the Methodist College in Cambridge Good morning good morning over the weekend as our focus has been on other things not least are leaving the European Union coronavirus has been quietly spreading at a frightening pace there are now more than 14000 confirmed cases in 18 countries and 46000000 people are subject to restrictions to try to contain the disease take back control has been one of the sound bites of the Rex It campaign but this virus is a terrifying reminder of the things we cannot control new diseases in a new host or often most dangerous incubation period are not understood new vaccines need developing a new problems opposed Never before has anyone tried to contain a new virus in a city like New Hanover 11000000 people corn team is an ancient strategy the term originated with people Nick plague and dates back to 13th 77 when the seaport of riggers a officially issued a 40 day isolation period but isolating those with diseases goes back much further than that the Bible for example gives ample illustration in its instructions for dealing with contagious skin conditions was the choice to isolate the few is designed to protect the lives of the many the horror of being trapped inside a cordon cut off from loved ones or fearing for loved ones can hardly be imagined often it's been compounded with religious ideas of uncleanness the project the cause of the disease on to those already suffering ideas that Jesus challenged as he invited his followers to think again about what it means to choose life was containment may still be an important disease control strategy according to Professor Tim Benton of Chatham House we need to see coronavirus as part of a pattern of diseases that a bridging the animal human gap was this is always happened urbanization in the intensive human interventions that are disrupting ecosystems and making us all more vulnerable. Of course some will always be more vulnerable than others poorest city dwellers are more likely to be cleaners and sanitation workers elevating their chances of encountering disease carriers they may also have weaker immune systems because of poor nutrition or lack of access to health care in some cultures people also use urban one life for food caring for the poorest ensuring that people at the margins have access to good sanitation food and health care these are values often repeated not least on thought for the day as part of a vision for choosing life and as often dismissed as soft or compromised in the name of profit or push to the bottom of the agenda because charity begins at home and yet it is literally true that in the case of a virus like this the world's population is only as strong as its weakest link is in all our interests where the decisions that govern our lives are made in Brussels or in London urgent need to cooperate across the globe in making radical changes to the living and working conditions of the poorest and to the ways in which we interact with the environment not because it's nice to be nice but because as research helps us to understand better how the world is interconnected so we understand better what it means to inhabit the ancient religious invitation to choose a life that was thought for the day with the Reverend Dr Jane Lynch the Turner is 9 minutes to 8. It would be overdoing it to say that the only thing on Iowans minds is the caucusing that will take place later today wondering through Des Moines last night there were lots of people sitting in watching the Super Bowl but astonishing numbers come to the rallies held by the different campaigns and Iowans expect to have had profit face time with the candidates It's as absurd as it is wonderful. In the brutality and divisiveness of American politics today there's an almost Norman Rockwell's charm about Des Moines Iowa not just for the never ending freight train snaking its way through the city and evocative piece of Americana but also the question is of the caucus. It speaks to an older more intimate retail politics as candidates hoping to make progress really do have to press the flesh sitting in diners talking 20 handfuls of photos but it combines the 2 the endless soul sapping ads with a legally required punch line. It's time to choose American history is not a fairy tale Thomas Jefferson it's time to turn the page from a Washington experience paralyzed by the same old thing take a look around find someone you don't know maybe somebody who doesn't look like you that's why she's visited all 99 counties I know exactly who line the party. And Elizabeth Warren I'm people I mean I'm going to say this. Much more than the republicans democrats have tended to go historically for the bright shiny new young big Kennedy Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton Barack Obama. But this time around you've got Joe Biden who's 77 years old but he Saunders who is 78 that is where the similarities and. This is the. Campaign where the working class of America is going to stand up and say loud and clear enough is enough the we have to be able poll Democrats and dependents and Republicans together we have to be able to do that the 2 men represent the battle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party the unfinished fight from 4 years ago whether it becomes much more left wing more cool be night or whether it remain centrist. The Biden can't believe there's a binary choice between electability and political purity and his supporters I spoke to last night at a rally just don't think that Bernie Saunders Kuwait in November this year do you think America would vote for someone whose left wing has been Saugus. Now. So who do you want to win I would like any club. And if Bernie Sanders reach Would you campaign for him I would vote for him but I would not campaign for him why because he's not talking about and the things he's accomplished he's got lots of great plans that I don't know are realistic but to get the king in the race have accomplished things and we don't know exactly what Bernie is down the pike in rally is not what you'd call dynamic and senior establishment Democrats spoken to worry that the Biden ground game in Iowa is shambolic unforgivable said one veteran the other people to watch a peek through to judge the youngest candidate in the field who's been the up and coming star and Elizabeth Warren from the same wing of the party is but he saw this she's committed to a well organized. Rallies don't lack dynamism and he too is organized and he's mostly young fan base a 5 I'm tired of half assed promises from previous Democratic administrations. And I don't think a president Sanders to do that I think if Joe Biden becomes the nominee we'd be doing a great. Dishonor to the people of America as a Democratic Party and if he wins in the 2nd ballot because the delegates are torn in the 1st ballot will be destroying our party and say the somebody saying and such like a trying time I think that he's just like really what we need right now for everyone and for everyone have equal rights and equal opportunities I just think that there's really no better option than him for someone who's going to give everyone exactly what they should be getting it in America I do think you can be trying to. Because I mean I think he's got the most dedicated supporters and the best ground game and I think I really think he's the only chance we have. To hope Lutheran Church on the outskirts of the city 2 and a half 1000 people have turned up for the Saturday evening service will were there yesterday God is big in American politics and super important in Midwestern states like Iowa a white evangelicals overwhelmingly pro truck the state voted for him 4 years ago and it was hard to find anyone who changed their mind all of my friends who voted for Trump are very happy my family my friends everyone what is it that he's done what is it that you think he's bringing to America. He's bringing back America. Democratic candidates I want to take America a different direction and I don't like that I like the direction that trumps taken us on the town where you're trying to stuff I am here and when did you become a Trump started we did you vote for him 4 years ago yes I did and he pleads with him I am going exactly what he promised he would do. But when you see some of the language that the president uses on Twitter in the way he's you know rude to people in the passes and all the rest of it what do you think what do you what do I do I think you know certainly he's a guy you know and what does that mean you only come on. Guys liable to say most anything and he's just a normal human being I just I don't like him I'd say you forgive him when he kind of goes a little too far well sure. He would forgive me I'm pretty sure. This week will see his impeachment ordeal come to an end with his 2nd acquittal 4 years ago the Trump campaign was a ramshackle make it up as you go along the ration note this time around. They've been hoarding money have been building a powerful machine with a remarkable digital outreach night out of the last 11 times in Democratic Party politics the person who has won Iowa has gone on to with the nomination whether it's someone from the center or the left they'll 1st have a job uniting the party and there further down the track Donald Trump will be waiting the Democrats have a fight on their hands a brutal. Move from John in Iowa coming up but it's time now at 2 minutes to wait for the weather with Chris folks that's all neck and we're looking at surf some fairly windy conditions today particularly So across the northern half of the u.k. But it's weather wise there's quite a mixture around so we'll start off with the forecast across southern counts of England where it's a cloudy start to the day outbreaks of rain will work into southern coastal counties so initially moving into Comal and Devon before too long and that will spread eastwards towards the coast of West Sussex and Kent later on this afternoon it stays mild not quite as mild as it was over the weekend but temperatures still $10.00 to $12.00 degrees way above normal for the time of year Wales middle eastern England and Northern counts of England for many areas it will stay dry and bright today with some hazy spells of sunshine coming through now said there will be a few passing showers particularly for Northwest England and across Wales as well temperatures between 9 and 11 degrees Celsius in Northern Ireland quite a windy day here the showers that will be moving in will have some hail in from the mixed in will come through fairly frequently temperatures 7 degrees and in Scotland we got some strong winds in the forecast today through the central belt 4050 miles an hour but over coast in his 55 to 65 miles an hour for a time and it's a day Broadly speaking of sunshine and showers with the showers setting wintry with some snow on the hills later on immense evening and overnight it gets even windy or gusts in western Scotland could reach 70 or 80 miles an hour bringing a risk of some disruption as latest. Chris thank you very much in the next hour of the program London's mayor city on his response to yesterday's terror attack and I'll be speaking to the chair of the Democratic Party here in Iowa eliciting today radio for John Sopel and Nick Robinson. Good morning it's 8 o'clock on Monday the 3rd of February that lines this morning ministers are pledging new measures for dealing with convicted terrorists after yesterday's knife attack by a man released from prison only days ago Boris Johnson will say the u.k. Is not prepared to follow e.u. Rules when he sends out his vision for post Breck's a trade deal Prince William has criticised the lack of diversity at last night's Bafta film awards the b.b.c. News read but Krystle George Forester on some the said the government will announce further.
Her daughter on Facebook it emerged in court that the guard had sent came several images of herself in her underwear and that he didn't welcome the fact she had some them but he did not delete them when police attended a hostel in Belfast where kena been staying they were informed by staff for the storm gum had been falling in his room a car wash in porta john has been temporarily closed by the Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland as part of a multi agency operation investigating human trafficking police say they find no evidence of human trafficking or modern slavery offenses the u.s. Ice of Representatives is to be using whether to impeach President Donald Trump for abusing his power as obstructing Congress if they vote in favor tonight Mr Trump would become only the 3rd president in history to be impeached Republicans in the Senate are expected to acquit him in the New Year Congressman Joe Kennedy spoke in favor of impeachment he broke our laws he threatened our security he abused the highest most sacred office in our land I want you to know that it does not feel good I can't stop thinking about the cost to our country not just the impeachable offenses. But the collateral damage of a president who uses power like a weapon against his own people finally the weather forecast to Cecelia very windy this evening with widespread gales and gusts over 60 miles that are in some exposed coastal areas heavy rain will continue for a while and there's a risk of localized flooding a weather warning is in force and there's a risk of some disruption it will turn drawing or in most places tonight and winds will slowly bitches towards morning a milder night with no frost or ice tomorrow will be drier for a time and milder with some sunshine and a few showers b.b.c. News so. B.b.c. Radio Ulster travel. Well part of the 829 between cooks time and money more has been closed after a lorry shut its load this is causing major tailbacks in both directions as well as on the Mara felt road heading into moneymore Meanwhile heading out of Belfast queues remain on the Am one ought to Lisburn as well as on the West Wing towards the empty We've also heavy congestion in and around Belfast city center and at the George Best City Airport flight b 735 arrival from London City is now expected at half past 8 and Jordan reporting from the traffic control center. Travel on b.b.c. Radio all still. Well time now on b.b.c. Radio oldster for some festive food with Camilla. On today's festive maybe we're talking small plates. I serve back to Christmas Day I serve them are the 5th. Week in the most of our seasonal. Fish was found on average $150.00 on our trip on food and drink at Christmas but many of us will enjoy a good old prawn cocktail as a starter on Christmas Day but given high good the project says from our own shores . Should See be a much bigger part of our Christmas thanks I went to St George's market where I met full of the noise and stock Association. There. You called me in my face so here we are some things take shape and those scallops 1 look amazing. But very sought after mostly export of. France would be the very front spear. That's what's the price of them because on the call going to a much more and we'll pay locally for them. Like hurls without little bit of Karl Rove on the side they really are big and to see in fantastic Is this their best this is surprise when the role would be for. The orange pace over to their prime and they should stay in they got to take a day and a fabulous price spices that reflected as well given that this is the festive season price wise where we are today the 14th of December is just about when the prices are very stark will pick night they have a shelf life of 14 there's a scale of show if you're a band today you could put that on the player for Christmas Day So obviously the prices reflect that there so don't believe the Christmas Eve Despite the fact that most of the shelf I share is still exported deep and we have started finally. What is off the coast of the wonderful place that we had absolutely absolutely but if you're in Belfast 15 years ago for a stroll should hardly looked up to you went to Dublin totally different story well 1st of last 10 years we don't have a tradition here all bench and shellfish is part of the fast to face just part of our Christmas manually if you look at somewhere like France Christmas Eve They will have a huge scale fish seafood faced which we don't approach fills probably only. I think it is time to change I do want to add to my party food to my Christmas dinner I want to add some most untasted local projects that are in the right person so if a. Doctor lead Gilmore from say face this is crying see me look at the scar in the prawns crapolla the muscles in town state I know it's not just quick to say it's in Georgia's market here has the biggest selection all fish bowls in Ireland so it's a brilliant place to come dine and get your fish and you know get organized for a Christmas full of seafood traditionally people haven't included fresh and their Christmas seems to be changing even a little but people have become much more aware of the fabulous seen fit that we have that are truly local products it can be so much with seafood compared to less just little party food never love a scallop wrapped in Punjab or you could turn it into a starter with the classic black pudding and combination look at this display Isn't that gorgeous there scallops here and there's beautiful local brine crab claws. There's mussels they look to me about rope farmed mussels from strand for cloth there's just a huge say parsley here monkfish tails which are also fabulous party fish and you know you can use mentioned morning. Hard. To think of my choice to say they are great party food you just sat them on a plate could have been a vice right them what I thought maybe but if you found gold in the grab whatever I'm nothing on show it was hard to open up you just get in here battling and go into the hood and put your name in the middle and your back open to you to get. The hot stock to go more kind of steers. There really a sold older parent. Wait til oil so sweet for just a delicious to get the day and we put nothing on the way spoiled the flipper of the night throw the other thing we're looking for today's Roll Call and that's what we call the portable be paid for and they're short after the world will go to go plaster and that's what you get. Always to be following that the something fishy coming to earth and George's market and Belfast later in the show Lynn Gilmore will show me how to whip up some tea party food. I took a trip to daring to me to him or he was busy. Bronson talking but still took time to talk me through a few. Small plates for Christmas service face the. Kind of party I do. Feel sauces Ok I'm really good quality one. Off of the awful mix so I want to put them all right I don't want to I am going to leave them with. I'm using some where you could use honey if you want that golden service by so nice but then we especially when they get hopper just money for this I serve these as a snack on Christmas Day I serve this party food just will be surprised if I have to say this is cheese This is the Craig Brown. Truffle oil k. And I want to hear food. So I always think of the almost welcome kind of when you see him temperature at all I want to call it the grease you just want to put out at roughly about 5 to 10 minutes you can tell it's kind of the. Wife of a Christmas as welcome she was kind of today chicken liver far from it always seems far too complicated for the likes of me so I just go out and buy it this is my version this is a Thailand version off chicken liver Christine Ok c.m.c. . Which is beautiful this is kind of version which I'm going to show you. Just what I have here. And I chopped them up from wrong Ok so picture some chicken never. Jumped up and the. Took me about a minute. Through . What would be our chopsticks behind him definitely. Look at us that coffee for them 2nd never roll a look this is. When you get a kick in never is there something coming back that I didn't. Know what the local supermarkets today was all prepped for me all the deals with all the little bits of b.s. So what if I fried this off. When I do this in my house every year this is this is one of the favorites you know people just. Write. Them a few months. I think the thing that really is this is this is Ok. To do this. Like so. Well. Actually for that recipe for $500.00 mil we have to build the foundation so it's kind of cool how we're going to have a. Red wine as well and this is well. I'm a traditional right. I'm going to shake my cheese here. On this really funny. Thing this is a water they say I'm just going to serve make you just the. Cheese crackers or bread. Because the. Oh that is good. You can really the big Ok so in the question is Where do I go next time to get in the chase for the cheese come. Up illness with the farm and never get tired he did not thank you very much for coming. In or of Braun's and dairy and even mentioned a local goat's cheese so I thought I'd pay the producer of that at the foot of the sparrow not far from where Kevin and Julie Hickey make dark mind to. All the cheese names in the cheese. Is behind us. We would be in the partial sure we would be. Her bold learn to crawl she always cultural crane. That was named after the chief. Birth and afford her he was cold turkey. 'd cheese maker Julie is hard at work. See how you make the Chase tell me we're making today and I'm told through the prince of today I am making the banner bold which is my ale washed once the cheese is made and formed in 2 wheels I use a local beer that's made over in camp and I wash the wheels of cheese in their ale and that creates a very interesting surface bacteria really nice climate for various nice and molds bacteria to grow so that's what I'm making today. Whenever people talk about me it. Big This is absolutely how meaty stuff lay everything we make here from the granola to the chutneys to the beer jellies to the cheese is all handmade we don't contract anything out because to us that's the most interesting part of the work is is the making of it so right now you're just watching that's 500 liters of milk that will go on to make anywhere between sort of $50.00 to $60.00 kilos of cheese about at the. Period the milk it's just an ocular eating now and then in about an hour all at a quagmire and to begin the process of separating into curds and whey then it'll be scooped out of that and into the middle drain there overnight it will then go into a brine bath to be salted and then go into the aging rooms and that's where the kind of the real work begins. I have 3 rooms here I'll just let you see it and the 1st. Step. Oldest mail a bit of the smell and cheese is a living thing so it needs oxygen for the good bacteria to grow and as it's aging it's giving off ammonia it's giving off c o 2 so it's very important to keep these rooms Well then to lated you can see that they're probably about the same temperature as it is outside I never really loved the Irish weather very much until I started making cheese because it's just perfect for cheese. Right through the gloom. So as he sees a little here a little here which is the environment is that the cheese likes to get the blue to grow in the interior of the cheese I will spike each of those cheeses about 100 times and that'll just open up the airwaves with the channels of oxygen and that's what allows the order to grow. The 1st time you make it it's the most incredible alchemy every day I start with liquid and I end up with this all in the very 1st time I made it I was completely hooked and the fact that you've got one main ingredient and limitless permutations I mean they're just thousands of different types of cheese. Kevin has said that he's going to get me water buffalo for our 25th wedding anniversary which is coming out shortly so then we'll be able to branch off into that. Of. Course. For Christmas. When you can keep your crackers what you really need. To. Lend oatcake and did you know that Ok Kes meat and time are exported all over the world I went along to ditties bakery to meet Master Baker Robert to take. The job the series issued in process where it was just right time for fitness we need for the Ok but then moved on to transfer table on this this is the color I like the way but it's a. Newbie stitch on the production us another plus because if you make the right angled take to the office to go to stage. And then the water dish moved on we call in a tray of a slip but still like a piece of metal a slip of the nose ball from baking trace on from there to fill. In for example will hold 90 trays of old cakes with a bar towards I think it's 66 or tray it's the think it's going to have everything we've had a number of big machinery companies come on the say look we can speak of this process by half your production time fold there was always a compromise of change in the recipe and taken the above normal dying to a level where they had a biscuit that was much drier didn't eat anywhere near is nice and. We're still Kurgan's on the upgrade. We were always trying to. Id is true so on a cheese board quite often you have walnuts to return to just walnuts from some of the other one was just on the recall bottle which is made of site or celery in black pepper again or something that you would associate with cheese board. Just a pure Actually I'm very friendly with the guy who smokes the whole force Frank had a man who. It is probably one of the most famous Irish. He smokes them on like a door with a mesh. On the small. We have big customers the likes of sure she's known for. Them and played recently asked them a list of their customers they have Irish embassy in Kuala Lumpur. Where did the idea for the cakes come from because you were already for many decades a well established here and somebody said to me you should start making Ok so when we looked at the recipe we decided right. Then we'll put that sort of Irish Northern Irish. The difference between. Because both places very famous for their own Well I mean I would defeat the Irish were making the kicks long before the Scots travel and monks and people come and out of the 4th century had written about the Irish big into kicks of the site of the fire and this was something that the ad between a new season potatoes on the old season Christmas and they made those. Which they dried out of the all of them which effectively was a biscuit So I mean I would be if I'm. Robert did say. I'm proud to tempt us at Christmas it's very easy to lose that none of our sales and. A lot more than. Here's Mark Crawford with a few tips on keeping costs down. Because there's a word that you k. High school spend on average $159.00 pounds extra on food and drink a Christmas. That the obvious high school go through weight 470 pounds worth of food for whatever you forgot. All run out of these Christmas or New. That. 6 gets ice cream just about anything we get caught up in Christmas for Christmas shop the music play and burn the festive form and we do make purchases we initially wouldn't so get missing something this hell of a downright crazy. Head of consumer trends for a particular some top tips for consumers to consider before you go shopping. Be aware of what you have in your cupboards and your fridge and see what you have them planted to meads that you intend to have over the course of the week and taken to consider using any leftovers for example they can be frozen you can make cheese you can make soups make a shopping list before you go and stick to the shopping list rigidly and set yourself a target budget so we don't have scanners for example in supermarkets for you to monitor your spend as you go and if you have a budget you stick to the budget. I think this is a great one don't go shopping on an out the stomach. Or hungry free of anything and the last place you want to be is a supermarket when you're hungry so don't go in and out based on work and remember for one final 7 check your bags for life because we all shop works most we need more advice b.s. And the last thing you want to be doing on top of an actress band is having to purchase extra bikes so they're some of our top tips we recommend practice for the summer concert also has a festive Christmas bunch of concerts on our website and we also have copies of the consumer's treadmill now I think what happens Christmas is people get caught up in this birth and they decide I don't need the trash today I have a piece of everything but what we all know then is January arise budgetary problems arise the bills have to be paid and a movie doesn't stack up whereas with this decision had to be needed in February or March you would probably make that decision and you probably may go by d.p.s. Than I'm with your family need to particular product you'll have to be conscious about what you're standing on for some people going to supermarkets you may well think you can you can see it is because they maybe have an offer in the beehive to for one take a look at the small print take a look at the price per kilogram make sure what you're getting is the best days for example if your pantry for one but you've no room in the fridge for it will be a pressure on to use I don't know maybe it's not be just. Unfortunate that in the families don't talk say something because you know it's coming up so it's a bit beyond Weisner purchases and make sure you get your best 5 you've. Heard of the consumer. And you can find their Christmas budget plan at consumer console. Of course one way to pastime is to make your party fade. I visited St George's market with Dr Lynn Moore where we find some local scalloped and poured in. To put them to gauge youth gradients are ready. With up. Manet's up parents were on to some Tabasco sauce so we're going to use a bite a cup of mayonnaise. Half a cup of tomato. And I really do this to taste and I've never actually measured I but what I am for is a lovely sort of a really rich paying so let's mix they stick out there 1st to see how I work out I don't know if I like my cocktail sauce to have a little bit of spice I'm going to add a couple of good splashes of tabasco sauce Let's move on then to our problems we're going to cook a nice part of. Your problem and they're quite straight they're almost like you know the top of a finger what we want this them for the card to card rind and see shit but when they're carded brined their cloaks and what we want today is plenty of salt they say that seafood is best and sea water that we don't see water here but what I'm doing is saying 3 pinches of lovely natural sea salt. Ok so what I do know is I don't want Darren Star going to run through. The limit just that strip and then. We have an option an adoption thing at this stage so we can either serve as we would for Christmas starter or just cut them into not only that this is a common pay with a starter I think I would serve them with a bit of a condo and lettuce and then as our party food we'll put them in an. Ok social move on to the scallops. Ok so when it. Was here that was George's market so what I'm going to do is I'm going to slice them across the lace to make lovely writing discs and then I'm going to day as I'm going to wrap them in some form or I'm going to pan fry them a round and. It protects them from directly. So you can still have this college and it's still nice and safe so now I'm going to just start. A slice. These are when you go to find clinics and some. Of hiding much you get I guess but actually a little goes a long way to look at our town and I think Paul tear gas we've got some lovely local. And so what we wanted to do was the for the farmers. And when it lets. Them or no or. So here they are fresh O'Connor and this is really. Just a fit all scallops wrapped and Parma with some lovely slices of lemon on the side perfect very extreme or I should have a few of those nice glass of bubbles with the Amish just like. The ambassador's reception noted in the paper the host exquisite taste if you really want to schoolboy your guests hired by something a little different the legendary popping space and chip shop and so recently decided to deep fry some well known Christmas sweets. So we thought we'd try it but turn. With. The award winning dolphin take away. Of the. From the festive fitting. And what are you decide to I hope you have a very merry. Christmas Happy Christmas. No it's this Saturday. For the. Well actually. For this Christmas story and others about everything. That don't make the storytellers Christmas told. To see the way to d.c. Thanks to you since. I've been. With b.b.c. Northern Ireland well. It's time for the blame game with guest holy Hamilton. Thank you. Thank. You Ok the blame game the show that's got more laughs than the number of people who turned on hosting the show. Now you can say to me Gary is still not with us this week give us an all. Good news he has promised to be back next week. I can tell. You My name is wholly Hamilton why some of you might know me is that we are as presenter from b.b.c. Sports as are basically Gary Lineker I'm Clare Balding we're too expensive so you've got me so I instead there were thank you. Thanks. T.v. Presenter cold holy people do often get me confused with a certain other presenter cold holy but we're actually very different people at 1st start I actually really like Phillip Schofield. So who knows what questions the audience will be curious avoid tonight only know for certain is that the answers will be provided by our panel of regulars its color Murphy Jay cocaine . And our very special guest tonight is an award winning standup comedian and actor you have seen him on shows such as Have I Got News For You Q I and Mock the Week it's the multi-talented unnaturally charming miles job or a good. Way. Of knowing our studio audience have been asking some questions of our own tonight I cannot believe the number of you have been asking questions let's have a look and feel more than 31 question Ok it better be a good one. Is to blame for me voting 123 rather than an x. For the city it was you know what we thought well as many times you can. Go right so we get on with the show let's do it our 1st question tonight here you do you blame for believing the hype so in the final week of the election Boris Johnson said the worst thing he's ever done was riding his bike on the pavements Yeah of course Boris famously spent a lot of time cycling when he was the Lord Mayor of London no all of the Tory party followed his lead for example I mean you wouldn't catch Jacob Riis Morgan a bike mostly though because the Westminster bike racks aren't able to accommodate his penny farthing. But who can we blame for believing the hype. Well I suppose this is about an enforced as of the day on the poster the d.p. Had trust issues with Boris Johnson and I mean I there's a lot of people to blame for the current situation we find ourselves in I I haven't come to Northern Ireland to rake over old history but I. I would certainly begin with the ancient Greeks I who create I think what we can all refer to as the curse of democracy yes she said should contrast Boris Johnson any more said once bitten twice shy I think it's probably a case of once bitten twice for crying a course of antibiotics. Once he's not kept himself himself over the years I was I I I'm not really best placed to fire into the Steve. You know I've come to Belfast to escape the bitterness and infighting where I live but I and I don't I don't really know enough about the d.p. Did I did they want to glance at a science textbook so it wouldn't be a fair fight I. Thank you for suggesting I said that Neal. Look out is but the fact of the matter is if a problem involves Boris Johnson in any way he will be to blame i years I used to wonder what it was that Boris Johnson did I didn't even appear to be doing it anybody always looked absolutely shattered. He always looked as if he'd just come round from a general anaesthetic. And then you know and also you wait I'm not quite right you do you think of something missing what's missing when I look at Boris Johnson is the fact I said it wasn't that he's not wearing pajamas right. If he only ever appeared in public where my job is he'd make sense wouldn't he's got a natural outpatient chic if I was I think I was wrong actually the reason he looks so shattered all the time is because he. Was very very busy it was the immense amount of effort it took to make him look homeless. Was. Stories he'd be on panel shows and look at him to have didn't know about and think oh look at him he couldn't hurt we could only hurt himself couldn't he maybe trapping his hand in a car door or diving into the shallow end and then it turns out. That he was actually using a technique beloved of a different reprehensible section the community it was grooming us. Was. When he was the mayor of London I used to live in London and when he was the mare it got to a point when they're worried about street crime and they said look people have started stealing phones so don't use your mobile phone if you don't expect to have my phone don't use it maybe don't take it out because people are on bicycles are stealing them. When cars was marabout and this bicycle was his main mode of transport that was the only way he could escape from his own security detail and so if you put the clues together of course it's actually just part of the wind a pattern of his behavior so that of course is who I think is to blame but then I am completely neutral I. Thank God I'm going through glad it's over I'm so glad it's I have one more leaders to be had if there were one more leaders to be had but the best of the leaders to be it's your t.v. Your t.v. If you watch the t.v. The bit. The bit you know misses don't you keep getting the bit and the messed up the subtitles I mean you t.v. Messed up subtitles was there were some brilliant ones s.-t. O.-p. Leader column Eastwood was caption to say then to speak on my ass all of the peak on behalf of the people I. Knew Me Long was quarter sand these are not green or to go angled brush or use. Their leader Steve is it them. Here asked to the problems we how. We were soon Syrians were shown her subtitles work and look I read the subtitles I can't keep up. With that if you think they were. The subtitles actually when you actually looked up to me when that is actually how they speaks out isn't that sort of the table sort of sort of what is what is like short as well sort of just because you were you watching this here I mean they're interviewing anyone or anyone is a live broadcast of the have to do the live subtitling and you watch it it's just clearly the person wasn't from here on is just here and there's going to Mongolia summary. We were called all the terrible turn to go brush our nose I think it was going to take a right angle you know really it's a very hot issue here we'll take a brush on our if we're not taught we're going to about the fact that the prime minister of the United Kingdom he did in Afraid she by the way oh yeah in a free to avoid talking to Piers Morgan there was an industrial size for age because people like to put up the photographs and pictures that the kids have shown and he needed a fall and those she had worn for all of his skids photographs I think and he did and then he dressed up as a milkman sorry if you that many kids don't dress it was the middle class I. Think if you were also I think the people of of here are going to be really annoyed at the stone t. Did where he was insured to j.c.b. Is a massive donor for the Tory Party and he's there and there's this big big formore and he drove through and j.c.b. And said Get Bragg's at dawn coopt sort of a monster drives a j.c.b. Through a wall and since the 80 am before they were a thief would come through the wall with an a.t.m. And the bucket Yes everybody here whether God or God or they were. Yeah during the election I guess go my way no harm to shiners no harm to the shutters and the shutters in. The Army tell you that they're not going to Westminster you know I mean but their argument is all we have them French we have them French the whole thing we had said at our end since we had strange time safely in Central Europe we answered the word prudent to cheer you thinking to prove that you look at Israel so what are your parish I don't I was tossed off to get. You to be shared in the laboratory said Look at that he had made happy dishes then forgot that love you know to me that most are squeak I told her to get the moon he wanted I sang Michael Collins What do you say and cover with. Thank you thank you Ok We're going to turn you're going to say I want to there are a lot of talking about something like the. Words you insert Oh I am always surprised by the lack of knowledge of here when you are in England it's like if I was on a this is brilliant I've never seen the like before I was on a train last week right on in the paper that had a seat mop all the corners of everybody who was in all the seats I was woman beside me talking a friend when I look there is a Tory in Northern Ireland no will cause a blue we're looking at Luck now. We were. Throwing stones we don't seem to be a little bit of a controversial figure so we asked him admitting to writing has bicycle on the pavement I mean personally I don't know if that is enough to get him on to sound as noticed however after letting during the day you pay he is certainly in Arlington Foster's naughty list so far s. If you open up your stocking on Christmas morning and instead of presents it's full of wooden pallets. I think you can get them from. Was. Well already know also said the bars Johnson has moved away from what he had promised her at the Tory party conference Arling you're lucky he's even still speaking to you most of the women he promises something to the Tory party called if you get off for breakfast the next morning. I tell me wrong to our next question let's get off our us now I know you're going to get out there who. Were having the wrong. Which made this plane only hear you blame for dirty air Ok this week politicians and the Saudis have revealed that. The burning of smoky fuels might not be quite as straightforward as they 1st thought of course the production of new green smoke was fuels it's actually an opportunity for baseness Several companies have a nice that they'll be working on smokeless turf and coal and smoke free pallets and effigies of the pope for the summertime. So let me ask you Who do you blame for dirty air yes they're trying to get rid of everything in the barns in Dublin. Trying to get rid of coal and turf cricketer out of a turf I fetched it's Christmas time people are just the people who don't even have open fires are not going holes in the wall. For you to come over here in Florida back to the roots of. The risk is fix usually just to burn alone get in the horse or through a bit of turf or to go to dispell It's like going back and they go in the hold is. The for the drug dog. I mean there's no one says Chris would be. Ok. But since it's you have to have to open fire the dogs turn the other bar on and throw another Bowker on the stick this is the professor until they're trying to get rid of it I didn't realise that that I was looking up I thought about foster this book was going to remember this becoming part of the company to be part of the focus. I've ever heard of anybody having their door kicked in by the consul was it it's only one step away from the slack it was the perfect disco the I don't think I'll ever come out was coming out of the pot I don't a lot of thought I was never will. Go towards me as a smokeless as a smoker the way a full fat full fat cat or a. Search I'm. Going to foreigners back pocket was. Seriously we were told it was all smoke it's own I've never heard of anybody on the Net He's very good about it and then all you heard that wood burning stove was the way to go and the word burner and everyone loves a bird burner on very nice We've got a good burner as well and harbors like an indoor twelth. I never did many pyro in there who are in the. Us but in every other word burner on marvelous wonderful Christmas time bit of wood burner it was intended to go on file that. Was similar to a smaller one this like you know it's like having a March of 1 of those in a mass of Talia's just people here are just greedy of what we are and yes we're trying to get rid of all that because of the particulate particularly in the air that's the thing so wood is carbon neutral but it's the stuff that's but that's particularly bad and. So the Republicans are trying to ban this whole thing not only in the public because air apparently stops at the border was sort of the reason you're gone but I don't have a lot on them I was little done to watch Carmen for Gordon was there were the they thought I could smell tar and I. Thought that me and you could just like the pipe from awfully just Midlanders country. Was need to send us out to be a maze yet so that the took us to things which because they have a very dangerous things not. So a lot of they ask you to respect a tree all especially London to 25 people a day a pretty diverse respiratory illness brought on by pollution dairy apparently the product the life markers for people in dairy apparently the lifespan of women has gone dawned. On Us 81.3 years the average a woman in dairy lives compared to Lisburn. And let's burn 83 and point. So that the life on the very women has gone down in the last monetary man has gone up by 2 years which could explain why dairy women are dying younger. Because they're just one and all he's still alive if you're in my head I'm way it was when you were a guy who would be the technologies where you and me technologies were I mean and I it's technology it's they're doing they and hits us and Alexa are linking up and they're worried about how much of our information is going to go to Alexa Yeah and the worry Department there's going to come you know what a doctor you're going to be told Alexa and I are rash was that I don't want this subject because what's my accent what Alex I have got are rash and I got a Kramer and I got a throat screen coming back it was so my mom there's no way they're saying sometimes they get it right because. It was because there are. Apps that are trying to openness I'm not able to I want to freak me out voice my kid sent me off for this online music for the 3rd and then you get the music and you pick the music and all the rest is it called Happy Valley music stuff. That I do the undock called the last year that I could collect in your town all the time I got an e-mail my top 5 of 2001 thing I might send are. My children have said if I ever mention what is on that list they will the show want me. Some other scientists say because we have heard. Stolen Car boy Glen Campbell who lives in the charge of the more for it's a perennial sole star Paul Simon at number 3 it's the caring once again always will be the king over us presently I turn to both her book she and her and you think it's number one to get as many McCrae. Have both of them are you want that out of the worst Here's the news to me I'm embarrassed to believe you know to me yet like on a plane I listen to just when I listen to John Denver on a plane really. A child or at home 20 years old going John hey you know you know where that smoky cause thing. You get your control because that's the sexist thing you've ever said to be able. To get it to sound like a cigarette in the smoking code but you're golden The average anybody there is really. Cool so I assume that that have to be to smoke certain things he well you can't know wants to eat salmon. Because actually you have to be going to do a disco to be that there were kippers over the dry ice machine. So said to come to visit some of the new exhibit difficulties to Strobel cherries. You can try going to travel towards Campbell a turf candle or you know that just piece of turf know what you. Like but the one thing the one defining characteristic of turf is that it lights. Up when you're when you're running toward for a way you stop smelled all the city people smell it I love I will start streets you know own to love like she was confident earlier on like that which is like a little boy when I was growing up. Do you think you like the smell but that it gets and your hair away hang on no hold. You to pick up on something you said earlier on about this survey that this week revealed that female life expectancy in Derry has Yeah it's to Crazy say in fact the shortest lifespan in Northern Ireland. It's for a man who live in Belfast like I'm not saying that Thames health is power but his wife is buying his advent calendar one week at a time. Well you're going to feel so his name. Your. Next question tonight's 9 Hey do you blame for unbelievable when so this week here's an example we saw Celtic beating their arch rivals Rangers in the Scottish League Cup There's a sentence to divide this audience I said you know if you're a Rangers fan you might just wanna leave the room for the next couple of minutes Celtic but history they played their 1st match in May 18th 88 it was a friendly match against Rangers it was also in a $888.00 that the words friendly Rangers and Celtic all appeared in the same sense . It is remarkable that this win for Celtic That was their 10th consecutive domestic trophy to do our panel blame for unbelievable wins I was struck when I visit Glau schools the 1st time you played law school comedy club house you know I play it and I run cooler in the city and I thought to myself 1st Sometimes I thought this is very similar to Belfast Glasgow Belfast very similar studies for a similar architecture you know what I mean post chip a little city's very old us but as I said the audience there's one big difference Glasgow is much more sectarian than Belfast to get. The sport out of it cold you'll Firm derby in order mean that it's hard it's sort of the world's the world to get that going to cost that you're in a big buy to Celtic fans in North Belfast they are very fanatical in finance they do not think that they could not believe that I do not support Celtic because it's very very very very angry very but I let them reach Cruzan height of indignation when the North Belfast man's voice. We can only only dogs can hear them really. I was on the 5th. Ranger said. And I just like I said No fellas I don't follow the soccer I'm in the g.a.a. . The when men don't do their sales. I don't follow sports it intrigues me people's allegiances the things of the celebrated thing I find quite horrible and really genuine and the shots they Daintree me as well the fact that the both of them seem straight to Belfast supporters shops as the Rangers show up there on the Celtics one where they opened they were open across the road to me . Because of their fans are there but obviously are going to be there because they're going to be fighting. So they will win one across states I'd look at it to see how many of these take it from chances there are. Quite a few there's quite a few but for think in Glasgow and it's about another 4 in other parts of Scotland and then one in Belfast and one in Dublin and then a loss of range Yeah there's a rhythm Celtic shop Celtic show Ok something shocked that. Their return so how do we target are you surprised there are only 2 Rangers let's put it online sure but there are 2 thirds one in Glasgow and one here that's it not even any other parts of Scotland that the Rangers you know the people who make the March they decided on in the go no go to show long and done. Well but Belfast now she's on the real world and I think it will put before the one in Glasgow. If you're going down to one thing I think we should expound if you found us Collins No honestly. Think I have an outlet shop in Glasgow Airport in the terminal building for those last minute sectarian purchases. For your head on your holidays to Alicante on your. Own you're not told how much shock the ones here knowing you know listen if you want to. To buy a new jersey for going away your going away jersey. Which is called the away jersey Oh and is that what. You feel because you were the weird thing about boxing this week that you watched a documentary on Joshua and so there's always my books in the brilliant really understanding Mike Tyson was in as Yvonne Holyfield was innocent Sugar Sugar Ray Leonard was in it and in the middle it was Sylvester Stallone and Duff long good people who put tended to be books. That's just really weird like if they're ever make a documentary on Torvill and Dean I want to see a nice kid I don't want to see the lads from Blades of Glory ever think if Mike Tyson was brilliant he was explaining never he's not he doesn't look the way you think he does he says that's the way d.d. . And now he has that to looks like he's brilliant. But you mustn't exist by the want to do one thing on its head doesn't know what it does but about to tell. You that you have been bought is going to look at the book and has got I don't know what I am. With. Thank you but it is funny we talk about these things you know like Celtic I never pull of course at the minute as well don't many endings right now well I'm not great in the ga. Nancy support any particular take. Sorry county cricket top. Thank you. But it's what you do what is the thing that's according to People come to Ireland. Bizarrely you. Know Sorry that is the brass historical generalization. Bizarrely they show the roi . The country to try and keep it in house. Not water travel choky our weakest Yeah. Yeah that's to. Support. Premiership football club as well Ok good that's very expensive. And always it's very expensive to be a football fan at the minute I mean 1st if you want to pay phone you know it's going to set you back right in your article I went to had to go to Sports Direct to get homes he don't strike me as somebody who sells direct I have to be helped to the till I told you before you were with before you get to the movies if you go you can't even push towards the exit again I think you're lost I'm not I'm not sure what that meant to but I do is you have to pay per letter of course to have it on the back when they when they get it's going to find it doesn't I said How long does it take to word to put the. But the name in the back of the shirt they said oh you know it's almost instantaneous about a minute and I said all right you need it while you wait yes that's right and then I said why was not a good take about 50 minutes machine to warm up I was so instantaneous and. I panicked about knowing those big mugs I. We just to have time now I for our quick fire Ryan so I will read you some newspaper headlines and I want you to be quicker than Jonathan Aiken given his acceptance speech. Ok here we go. I swallowed part of my own necklace in a chain restaurant. We need more batteries Christmas morning the non Summers house. Pick your poison Charles gives Andrew ultimatum. They are. Gas can be used as money for yourself rich. Mind your own business how long have you been a fortune teller. You. Know there's a pothole loss or a in sight farmer although who wants to win a pot hole. Cost of a sec to me Tell Mills just a snippet 400 pounds. I watched part well boil basically your granny is a bloody liar. But I'm not here I thought I was you didn't look like. Before you vote think after you vote drink. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you I'm holy Hamilton and if you haven't enjoyed it I've been to Macquarie. Thanks for allowing me to be your host tonight and if you could show your appreciation to our panel of course call it my feet Miles job to cocaine on Neil telomere with the with the next time don't blame yourselves blame each other good nice. Thank You can hear the game again any time the 2 to buy don't go to the podcast or using the b.b.c. Signs up to play the game is a production for b.b.c. Radio oldster. 92 to. 3041 media. B.b.c. Radio one. B.b.c. News at 7 o'clock I'm Ali Gordon the Health and Social Care board says organizations across Northern Ireland are experiencing major disruption to services due to strike action members of the Royal College of Nursing are striking for the 1st time in their history their joining other health care unions in the dispute by pay and staffing levels part Cullen is the Royal College of Nursing northern art and director we have to start paying on base and like we have to encourage courage than to be treated the same as nurses in the u.k. Paid the same as nurses in u.k. Respected treated decently they want to see the 2 SARS and its 100 fake can say he's addressed. The 5 main storm and parties have held talks with the u.k. And Irish governments amid the crisis in the health sector the party leaders had asked the secretary of state to take control of the issue unresolved pay parity but Gillian Smith insists it is a devolved matter they are making new efforts to restore power sharing with a health summit to be convened tomorrow the relatives of 4 British soldiers killed in the 1982 Hyde Park bombing have welcomed a high court ruling that convicted Ira member was involved in the attack John Deiner he had avoided prosecution because of a government daily under the Good Friday agreement the judge described the to sit in as a catastrophic failure and said the families could seek damages for the yes House of Representatives presented as is debating whether to make Donald Trump only the 3rd president to be impeached he's accused of abusing his party and obstructing Congress the Republicans have accused Democrats of using an unfair process to try to overturn the 2016 election result the Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi opened the debate saying the Republican visaged by America's foreigners was under threat as speaker of the house I saw only and sadly open the debate on the impeachment of the president of the United States if we do not act now we would be derelict in our duty it is tragic that the president's reckless actions make impeachment necessary he gave us no choice and with the b.b. And with the weather here Cecilia Daily very windy the saving was widespread gales and gusts over 60 miles that are in some exposed coastal areas heavy rain will continue for a while and there's a risk of localized flooding a weather warning is in force and there is a risk of some disruption it will turn dryer in most places tonight and winds will slowly bridges towards morning a milder night with no frost or ice tomorrow will be drier for a time. And milder with some sunshine and a few showers b.b.c. News. More year of drama for the b.b.c. . Should the House. Your. Over the. Boris Johnson has promised to repay the trust of both leading the conservatives to an extraordinary election victory. For looking after work of course I took responsibility for putting them on the 1st of 4 but I have to say I want to 1st it was universally supported throughout. The. Week the. Constitutional balance of power between Northern Ireland and Great Britain is changes like a. Slightly weaker it's nothing dramatic but it's a real. I will publish the detail Democratic case for the transfer of power from Westminster to this parliament to a losin independence referendum that is be your wouldn't. Have listened very carefully during the selection Campian right through the election campaign and there was a desire to get storm back up and running again on the parties to get back into government with the crisis in the strike action plans and patient waiting lists the words. Were not paid. Why don't we hardly call to pay or not 2nd class. Into these negotiations in a spirit of optimism and determination and that the big test is political will and parties have to recognise which results.
Training is a particular area of concern we offer examples of incident commanders not getting the right sort of training even the brigade doesn't have a kind of pass fail for the standard for incident commanders so it doesn't know whether they've got the right skills we found. Fire engine drivers who haven't had any training for 20 years is still driving around London it's emerged the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry warn privately back in September that Labor's chances of winning the election would be hampered by Jeremy Corbin's decision to take a neutral stance on bricks it these ringtone South m.p. Was speaking to the b.b.c. For a documentary Little be shown on b.b.c. 2 tonight it looked as into the election saying I don't have a view on the single biggest decision that we have to make I think that what worries me is that every single interview he does will all be about Greg said I'm really pushing this because I want Jeremy number 10 Meanwhile the mayor of London says Labor needs a new approach following its disastrous showing in last week's election the process of electing Jeremy Corbyn successor is expected to begin early in the new year with the winning candidate in place by the end of March but city can says Mr Corbin should go now but I'd say to the current leadership with I take this with respect and generosity is please step aside as soon as possible the last of a cli good clean contest and the standard that we choose to be our leader must be a winner this morning Boris Johnson will chair the 1st cabinet meeting since his emphatic election victory and he's already announced a new clause to his bricks that bill that would make it illegal for parliament to extend the transition period beyond the end of next year M.P.'s are expected to vote on it on Friday but the Prime Minister's critics say it increases the chances of Britain leaving the e.u. Without a trade deal reckless and irresponsible according to Labor's shadow bricks and Secretary Sakia Stahmann Britain's most senior police officer has described the legalisation of cannabis in parts of North America as interesting experiments that should be watched speaking to drive time on b.b.c. Radio London last night the Met commissioner Dame Cressida Dick accepted that cannabis is widely used and said we should see what's happening elsewhere the debate about to legalize or not. All drugs including cannabis I think is very complex I think that it's worth looking at what is happening in Canada and parts of the United States you have to recognize that culturally that is very different as a kind of citizen if you like as opposed to as a police officer My own view is that almost certainly if we were to just try and legalize immediately here we'd come up with all kinds of other problems the American aircraft manufacturer Boeing is to suspend production of its 737 Max model next month the entire fleet been grounded worldwide since March following 2 crashes in Ethiopia and Indonesia that between them claimed the lives of more than 300 people a road on the Barbican estate is to become Britain's 1st 0 emission streets when petrol and diesel cause a band in an 18 month experiment the city of London Corporation says from the Spring Beach Street will only be open to pedestrian cyclists and 0 emission vehicles in sport Austin all have held a meeting with the Manchester City coach McI l r tetter to discuss their managerial vacancy The Gunners have lost 4 of their 5 games since Freddie Ljungberg became interim manager leaving them 10th in the Premier League so the search for a permanent replacement for an I am or a has taken on a new urgency and last night a stunning goal from Wilfred's are rescued a point for Crystal Palace against their art rivals Brighton that Soho's park now Kay consoler has London's weather a rather damp start this morning we've had some heavy rain even ice it's going to continue to come and go through the course of today tending light and patchy for a while but then some heavy rain expected a bit later so it stays wet and cold temperatures not as warm as yesterday with a cement of just 8 Celsius say the night tonight it stays rather wet for a time especially through the rush hour but gradually it will start clear eastward sky clears temperature drops the minimum in the suburbs down to minus one and we'll see some missed and folk forming as well and with the b.b.c. Radio London travel. The m 25. A few anticlockwise looking slow from Junction $25.00 Enfield down towards junction $24.00 Potters Bar after a broken down fare called Also once you get past sun it's a looking anticlockwise from Junction $27.00 at the am 11 grounds are towards. Mountain junction 27 of the m 11. In busy clockwise as well in late. Looking busy after the collision but all restrictions have been removed and in our part an ailing road blocked near to our butts and cheap station and lobbies hit the bridge or there are no problems on that section of the cheap although the Circle Line still has no service anticlockwise severe delays for the District Line or so severe delays for a large part of the d.l.r. Most the central Hammersmith and City Line and the trams all have my mid to late travel at 815. 95. And on. The. Radio. Good morning listener welcome to b.b.c. Radio London with me Vanessa Feltz I'm sorry for my cold you can hear I'm not the best possible Nic but we definitely have a will of where there's a will there is a way the time is 6 minutes past 8 It's Tuesday the 17th of December and I do think that I don't normally say this but I do think you're going to find today's program really really perturbing disturbing and very interesting indeed not to mention on nothing that something like this could be happening so close to all of us in central London the Charity Commission is investigating a London based church over allegations that its vulnerable young members are being exploited by its pastors spac nation has been promising thousands of young people an escape from gangs and the pathway to salvation through prosperity and success but as the B.B.C.'s Panorama program has discovered all is not as it seems in this particular house of God Our reporter Greg Mackenzie spent 5 months invest. The chat and he joins me live in the studio it's been a little poll off to this broadcast but hasn't days so 5 months or so since July and Vic Santoro you may have heard from before the actor from Blue story here is the one that really came to me with the I know him through for acting and stuff and he said look this is happened to my brother he's big he's taken out this business loan we have a bank he wasn't sure what he was doing any kind of films he was coerced and crimes that this had been done fortunately that's kind of where the story began yes so we investigated the church which is facing allegations of fraud other worshipers of told us how the church has left them 10 thousands of pounds in debt now speculation London based church there's about 30000 congregation members it's kind of been lauded as a big can of how really in the black community as a way of tackling gang crimes they got a lot of coverage and last year the year before because this was new this was rather cool it was they were doing stuff they were doing positive things in the community and ultimately this is why I guess the interest is really there but our investigation has discovered financial irregularities and evidence that some of its younger members may have been exploited financially now we don't know really how long this has been going on for but in terms of the testimony to be heard it definitely the last year year and a half but you heard from literally moments ago on your show you know I spoke to for the program and he was more angry in terms of the rest of the community to why an investigation a proper investigation hasn't been undertaken by the police or indeed White took so long for the charity commission to look into this his big sense all right well strongly believe you know is because this cause a black kids. Is or was seen as does doesn't it doesn't you know it's a problem the sad thing is a lot of the young people they are looking was open but that is why they went to speculation that's part nation denies that denies the allegations but says it can't be responsible for what. It's hundreds of members do some of whom are ex of Fender's Meanwhile the Metropolitan Police says it's reviewing the allegations of possible fraud and other offenses before deciding whether to investigate further thank you very much indeed that's great Mackenzie there are investigative reporter you might well have seen the Panorama program last night months and months of work have gone into this as you've had and joining me on the program is Steve read his labors shadow minister for child protection and the m.p. For Croydon north west some of the fact Nations meetings take place Steve good morning to you. And you're well aware of this story aren't you you've been raising concerns about safeguarding young people at spac nation what have you discovered yourself so far. Well it's very similar to what was on Greg's o'clock eastern part of Ramah last flight this organization is recruiting thousands of young people right across London then coercing them to take out for different loans setting up businesses to take to access business loans or the cases of students being coerced into giving over their entire student loan you were talking about universal credit fraud on the show I've had cases of young people being pressured by leaders in this organization lot for money and it all seems to be about enriching this organization and its leaders by any means possible primarily illegal is absolutely terrifying this is happening right across London and what can be done about it because that remain extremely active in Croydon this is an up and running concern isn't something that's been shot down low or that has any hung its head in shame and fled following Penrod's of it it's not just Croydon Vanessa's happening right across from there I know of at least 12 hours where this is happening plus the post burning I'm sorry it's happening everywhere I don't have a single location they move from place to place but what of what needs to happen is we need a proper investigation of problems so that we can find out through the pleas exactly was happening in this organization now 5 weeks ago I took 4 young people who have been involved in spite of the nation to meet the place I gave the police a dossier of 12 for the very very serious allegations including child criminal expert motivational potentially child sexual exploitation 5 weeks later they still haven't even I'll consider investigation what is going on do you have any idea what is going on like out of the answer the question what Annette is going on her mother I wish I wish I knew what really speculate is there is a lack of a lack of resources but fundamentally the gravity of the allegations says to me that please leave Clinton best. Gratian quickly circle safeguarding authorities in on the not just to try and protect the up to a 1000 young people that may be at risk right now in this organization but actually there are several thousands more who have been involved in the past and are now out of it but the criminalized body of them are heavily and many of them are traumatized and I believe have psychological damage from the abuse that they've suffered in many cases they've been distance from their families in a way the cold sore from developing this organization is a cult some of them are homeless Why is their support being given to these young people tell tell me about what you've just said about allegations of sex abuse because what we've heard this morning is much more financial we've heard and fraudulent we've had me up about young people being possible mentor and bought delicious free chicken and maybe bought in a fabulous jacket from things like that itself which is a wherever and then and then being told right you now need to take out a loan because we're going to help you set up a business or whatever it is and some of them we've also had a mapping had length taken out in their names without even realizing it and had been taken I think we've heard about finance you know exploitation we haven't heard yet this morning on this program about any sexual exploitation So what are the what are the sorts of things that you have heard about him and that area I mean it's very unfortunate even as a when you get criminal exploitation of young people you tend to find there's often sexual exploitation as well but I've had young people tell me many of the young people that are involved on moved into our culture houses these of properties the church or church leaders rent and then they move young people into these properties where they are subject to quite severe brainwashing but some of the young people in placed in those premises tell me they were pressured into having sex with older pastors younger women some of them under the age of consent one young woman alleged that there was even an offense and a possible cause offense against the child by a pastor. I wish I was with the trout so it's like God in all solitude across mountain. I hope by all investigates we'll together with the police because if there's any risk in this kind of thing is going on those young people need to be protected immediately we believe there ought to be in caucuses this current across one but it's not just in court one only to have 2 sides this is a panel on the problem but your court is happy to respond just to say that this is the 1st that we have heard of these kinds of allegations the ones you've just mentioned and I should reiterate that spac the organization says that there is no no basis to talk to any of these accusations or allegations and I do appreciate you talking to us Stephen I do hope in your role as a baby the court north you will be able to expedite some kind of emancipation and wouldn't harm in Parliament this week if I come across of Don't you think so to marginalise don't recall making horrific alarming allegations but no one of them thank you for talking to us I mean obviously this is a hell of a hell of a subject and we know that investigations been going on now for months thank you very much for talking to us if you love a listener have anything to add about this do please give us a call this morning spac nation s p a c nation if you have been part of the congregation if you are still a member if you are a great fan of spec nation in your happy Deryni worship there and you work for it or you work within it and you find it very nurturing spiritually and everything else you absolutely feel free so to say if that's how you feel but if you've had other experiences you don't have to give your real name it's not about outing you that's not it you might want to say what you have experienced or how it has affected you or member of your family 080-731-2000 we'll be straight back with you after the travel. The m 25 looking busy anticlockwise between junction 25 am firm junction 24. Hour after a button down fairly want. Clockwise around junction $28.00 a try. Of st roundabout and junction $2711.00 after a break and sound fair to a fairly standard on the votes of all that would you have problems in our ailing vote he's currently blocked off need to help him cheap station a lawyer has hit the bridge them see underground over doesn't seem to be affecting the underground suddenly the underground has several problems of itself this morning severe delays from the Circle Line severe delays from the District Line Wimbledon to Earl's Court there's also severe delays for a large part of the Docklands Light Railway the central Hammersmith and City Lines and the trams also have Myna to lace this morning the trains the mainline chains not looking too bad aside from the ongoing problems on South Western Railway because of the industrial action plus of course are going to land slip which means new trains are able to run between Epsom and new West and he updates you can tweet me at speed b c travel and there's no trouble at 830. This is London it is here in Love that I just love that it's so beautiful this is London I've referred of all kids growing up in poverty and that's tough to say have any bearing on this is long delay Victoria Square I mean the tourist the most mocked up. For the building site throughout my entire life this is London she got the great station that is separate and stage one of the full building that. What. People have said. This is. A. Beautiful b.b.c. Radio land and. They call New York the city that never sleeps but what about London literally technically are you actually asleep you're in bed you're trying your best but what happens is it the mobile phone maybe that's keeping you awake where do you keep your mobile phone at night in the kitchen on your bedside table clutched to your chest like a hot water bottle under your pillow maybe it turns out that you. Thing before bed may make it harder for you to sleep even if you turn on the night made function to reduce the amount of blue light emitted sun to say that blue light shines out from phones and tablets and t.v. Screens has a disruptive effect on our ability to sleep and discussed this morning is Rory Callinan deigns the B.B.C.'s technology correspondent Hi Rory morning good morning Vanessa I think people think they're saving themselves from this by putting the thing on tonight made so they think that means it doesn't shine too bright Canaille sleep the sleep of the innocent baby step thing yeah I don't know about this how I've just been reading the article in The Times which is you're talking about you know about it's completely confusing to me I mean most of us you don't even the whole point about putting your phone down is that it it's not shining it is it's you know it's just not there I think it's the very presence of the phone on the bedside table which is a bit disruptive and I am terribly guilty of this and the reason is we have become addicted to affluence and particularly to the social media my guilty secret the last thing I look at night is Is Twitter I put the phone down if I wake up in the middle of an eye I instinctively pick it up and look at it again and then the phone wakes me in the morning and I look at Twitter and it's always lurking there the the online world just a couple of inches from your face waiting to wake you up and when you keep looking and looking what you're looking for I mean what do you hope people going to see what do you think you might see what's the point of aids the sad addiction Vanessa It is the fear of missing out what's called. Yeah it's it's. I mean if someone like me is addicted to the news want to follow every twist and turn of what's happening. You know it does it too much. To be particularly bad in the last few days I'm testing. Bunch of mobile phones 5 g. Mobile phones which is the next generation. My wife was furious at the night because the 3 spam phones were piled on the mantel piece in our bedroom and middle of the night one of them began buzzing she banished them to another room. But yeah I think it's something that we're all learning to deal with I mean the smart phones been in our lives for about 10 years now and how we live with it is kind of important effects that I know I know it doesn't affect you know it does you know you all did out of that I have I still got my 8 pound thing in there seem to be reasonably Ok and the great thing is it shields me from the vast majority of stuff most of which I don't need to know and can function happily without knowing it I was going to produce is printed out for you all right. What about the rest of my I don't live here you know I don't live it but I mean I I just want to you know I do you do you do you were you told you sort of think you do you do you regret you know you all the B.B.C.'s technology company you want to be the one person in the country who can take or leave your phone or you know absolutely you see something I see any more of my joy I do I do tell my wife or is it is my job after all you know somebody was laughing the other day when they sort of any friends of you got with you and I got out these 4 phones that I'm carrying them I would like a medium I do worry about I mean. I'm thinking a lot about this lately the combination of phones and socially it's those 2 things they're incredibly credibly powerful for with the last 10 years just the combination of smartphones and social media and there have been really good effects and we were very optimistic about it in the early years you know we talked about the Arab Spring and all those kind of things the flaring of democracy people getting in touch with people they hadn't seen for years and now perhaps we've swung a bit far the other way we see them as the source of nothing but bad of spreading fake news. Of cyber bullying and addiction. And somehow we've got to find a happy medium and and do you think that eventually we might be going in the direction of some kind of government guidelines or some kind of public health warning somehow that you think we might because in terms of you know the amount of screen time the baby should have in the month is going to the children should have and whether you should really see it with a new bedroom whether you should keep it as some people as we said cradle to your chest all night were tucked in your bra wrote you know in your pajamas pocket or under your pillow you know that there might have to be some kind of guidelines to save us from Alfons I mean yesterday would you believe we had a highly respected surgeon on the program is it bone does not some fly by night cowboy guys a really eminent chap talking about selfie wrist would you believe and this is you know carpal tunnel What is even written but he's got patient after patient age between $18.32 who have done terrible trouble and damage to that to their wrists nerves that can't be repaired without an operation through taking too many say is this wasn't even a joke it was an April April Fool sounds like a no but it wasn't it may sound like one but it wasn't that's what I think. People rightly say if the government starts telling people how long they can look that is the ultimate in the nanny state but that might say the government tells you to use a condom how much more ultimate could that be and yet they did to save us from ourselves didn't they I mean it couldn't get more basic more intimate than that could it and they did and we did or meets the gentleman did and women insisted they did and that was public health information that couldn't have been more personal private in the boot Warren all of that so you might say that actually the government will have to stand on its Or that I don't know the chief medical officer or somebody will have to start issuing proper guidelines to say do is allow your phone to do it you don't use it to detriment Well I think there are some cause for concern and I think you can get go too far with this this is not like smoking this is not like you know sexually transmitted. It's. There is no good research at the moment shows there's a lot of harm coming. And obviously I think it's up to all of us to have sensible discussions that particular with our kids about what is. Good smartphone educate a lot of people have this rule we do have and try to have in our house those smart phones at the table and so on and I think people will work their way through this I mean it is it is a new technology as I say it's been only the last 10 years that it's been so prevalent we did have exactly the same discussions about television when I was growing up about television was young minds and we kids are addicted to that so I think if it was different a when you were growing up and I remember too I think of a space in the vintage television was known to vast swathes of every day there was just that girl with the but the chalk in the hand in the cloud in the bottle I many households it was left on all day even went to Tesco Yes the test Cup I mean the point was you could hardly you know be glued to a known unknown program also it normally there was one set in the house and it was downstairs in sleep looking at it or with your arms around it didn't take it with you wherever you went didn't get into the bathroom to laugh a tray on the boss it was at home and you know it was a whole different thing I mean yes they said density place to it and yes they said don't watch too much of Indonesia as a babysitter but it was a whole different thing wasn't really the amount that the sin kind of weight of impinging on your life was different well yeah technology changes technology is a was a disruptive force and it has its negative as well as its positive sides but I think we've got to have a happy medium we can get completely hysterical about this and you talked about the evidence about young people there have been several studies recently and they've come to no particular conclusion they actually haven't found. Compelling evidence that this is doing harm to kids Yes They're saying maybe don't don't let your kids . Have a smartphone in their back. It's late at night but they're not finding. Real harm caused caused to young people thank you very much for talking to us were Captain James at the B.B.C.'s technology correspondent and taken Stella is here with with a good morning it's not particularly nice out there this morning it's rather which we've got rain had some heavy rain overnight it continues through this morning welcome light and patchy for a while to be replaced with heavy rain later so it's never going to be very far away I'm afraid temperatures pretty cold as well setting colder than yesterday despite the mildest out this morning 8 Celsius the maximum as we head through the often enough the rain probably going to be with us as we head through the rush hour but then kind of ridge of high pressure starts to build inside pushes out away cloud clears temperature drops down to minus one in the suburbs central London probably staying around 3 or 4 but on the clear skies the light winds we're likely to see some mist and folk forming as well will start to lift tomorrow morning if we get a tool and then we'll get some sunny spells some bright spells through the afternoon the wind will really start to strengthen through the course of Wednesday and that's going to push rain across this is we had a the night as I say tomorrow is probably the driest day this week and temperatures perhaps a little mild at 10 Celsius the maximum it stays really unsettled really quite wet and temperatures still mild right the way through Thursday and into the weekend and tell me about you know you know I mean as things were getting ever closer is the 17th of December always dreaming of a. Dream as much as it does a Balmoral covered in snow at the they have all Carol going to b.b.c. Looks as if a bit of snow is trickling into head this morning didn't she did she I don't know what she was a fisherman. Well I've got it on in the corner of the studio and she looks as if there's a bit of snow somewhere about I'm not here at the moment definitely you know while we're looking at about 10 Celsius at the moment on cheese I mean just I know I ask you this everything I just I would say is this it and it's because as a child I never understood it and I must admit I'm a grown up I still don't really understand it the bit where my mother used to say my late mother used to say it's too cold to snow I never understood that lie still do and what did she mean by that but not much actually does that mean that nurses know they kind of aids but it's up it's more of a myth than anything. Tell me about her let's keep going to call and then she will coughing and sneezing it's Or it depends how the average space right you've got really dry eye coming in from the continent and it's really cold because it's coming from Siberia there's not enough moisture in the air to create the snow Ah so if there's nothing fooling it's not going to send the right thing to say would not be it's too cold as a but is to draw in the snow yet has beset moisture Yeah elements in the air and at the moment for think often listen to us who I know gracious although they were taken in fact each other in the state it's terrible I wish you better thank you very much to see you and hear from you coming up on the program we're taking your calls on all you the same person you were when you were younger so. You know you think of old people elderly people or old age pensioners or senior citizens or the old or whatever you want to call old people usually older than us however we are we think of older people as older than us we never really think of ourselves as being old or elderly or whatever it is you think they're old people they do sort of old people type stuff don't they they do what old people do not what we do we young people who do stuff that young people do but I My contention is I'm contending that we remain ourselves however old we are whatever you thought when you were 16 Have you felt whatever you liked whatever your preferences were and your passions and your dreams you know the same person when you're 26 or 46 or 86 the same person so if you like to tension you still like attention if you like defection you still like affection if you like Saif Ali you still like live as far as I'm concerned you are who you were you don't suddenly morph into some ancient Crone and become a different person that suddenly likes to wear carpet slippers and knit and drink oval Tino's as far as I can see but maybe I'm wrong maybe a very different now from the person you were years ago maybe you've changed a lot over the years your interests of changed your passions have changed everything about you was changed you've gone off the boil in terms of. Activity you know into that the more used to be now you're not I don't know but let me know are you the person that you always were or have you changed with every passing decade maybe things with not to change maybe Of course life changes you why wouldn't you change maybe you think of course you're not the person you were when you were 160-807-3120 extension 00 that is what we're talking about and we will be straight back with you after the news headlines for. Your morning a London based evangelical church that's been praised for its work with x. Gang members has been accused of leaving vulnerable young members of its congregation with debts of thousands of pounds spac nation denies financially exploiting young people but it's now being investigated by the Charity Commission and the Met Police are reviewing allegations of possible fraud. The London Fire Brigade has been branded wasteful and slow to implement change after the fire at Grenfell tower and inspectors say they were left with the impression that the brigade isn't particularly well run the commissioner Danny Cotton who was given an advance copy of the report 6 weeks ago has announced the retire at the end of the year more than 3 months early it's emerged the shadow foreign secretary and his Linton South m.p. Emily form Bree warned privately back in September that Labor's chances of winning the election would be hampered by Jeremy Corbin's decision to take a neutral stance on Bracks it Meanwhile the mayor of London City Carne has urged the current Labor leadership to step aside immediately but he has ruled himself out of the race to succeed Mr Coburn and the government has to add a new clause to its Breck's it bill to make it illegal for parliament to extend the transition period beyond the end of next year Boris Johnson's critics say that increases the chance of Britain leaving the e.u. Without a trade deal reckless and irresponsible according to Labor's shadow bricks and secretaries secure Starmer London where the cloudy and wet today some heavy rain at times and feeling chillier than yesterday with top temperatures of 8 Celsius 46 Fahrenheit now with the b.b.c. Radio London travel. 25 Mathew anticlockwise is one lane closed off between junction 24 The Potters Bar and junction 23 at South mins the outside lane closed because of a collision in output an ailing road is close knit output and sheep station is a lot he's got stuck by the Vail Weybridge that's not having an impact on the cheap at the moment northbound up towards Blackpool tunnel looking very busy and just getting word that there's a collision just after the Blackpool tunnel which is adding to those delays on the cheap the district lines got severe delays when wouldn't Earl's Court there's a severe delays for a large part of the d.l.r. The bacon loo the circle and city lines all have minor delays asa Chan's also have . And it allays the trains posting a good service aside from Southwest a mile away with the ongoing industrial action and the landslip full details on Twitter at b.b.c. Travel and. Travel a quarter to 9. Coming up on b.b.c. Radio London's breakfast show with me Vanessa Feltz your calls on what should or what does happen to you as you get older do you think that when you get older it behooves you to sort of subside a little bit into the shadows not to draw attention to yourself not to be sort of a virtually sexy not to be not to be whatever you were before you come down and you soften off those sharp edges and you kind of tone down your personality a bit and you tend on the color of your hair a bit new tone down the the sort of height of your boots a bit and you turn down that swagger a little bit and you know just you kind of morph into an older person the kind of more mellow more mature I suppose less wart less something version of yourself an older version of yourself maybe everyone does that you think and why wouldn't you or maybe you don't feel like that at all maybe you fiercely feel exactly the same inside as you always did you feel the same you like the same things you want the same things in fact Lionel Blair when with we get Lama Blair to talk to us once he was on the show I don't know how old he was then let's say in his eighty's and I said Man when you do still have dreams do you still have desires to be sick oh my god yes go call I love to star in a Hollywood movie that's what I'd like I'd like to have a starring role in a Hollywood movie because he was himself he always wanted that and he still wanted that because he was in his eighty's and he wanted it any less doesn't mean he doesn't still want the role of the grease paint in the thrill of the crowd he still does He said that's what we're asking this morning do you think it behooves you as you get older to kind of tone it down a bit more camouflage bit more measured because that's what you learn as you get older well it's not all about you not even once and you know cut your hair off absolutely lower your skirts toned down your makeup and just generally. Gentleman to that applies to you to make up you know the use maybe that's what happens naturally you just find that that's what you do you kind of learn more and you become wiser and a little quieter and little more reflective and you take a sort of backseat because that's what old people do in you and you give up the limelight people and you know we all the younger generation let them have their turn Oh maybe you don't feel like that at all you know what it took the Donald Trump for goodness sake held as he is right there in the front line still hoovering up the applause in the plaudits in order to think maybe you are yourself you've always been x. And you still are and you always will be till a very day you die I always want the same thing exactly what was wanted whatever that is Do let us know what it is and how you feel about it very interesting to talk about it. And you know I am in the papers this morning and I am on the front page of The Sun If you don't read the Sun You don't have to see it and if you do you probably already seen it and I'm not going to apologize because you know nobody made me do it I decided to do it and it was really because of the the banning of the picture of the Rico in the in the necklace and I just thought Good God why they done that Tiley empowered woman and I don't think women of a certain age have to be as should be or should be made to be invisible I don't like this whole mutton dressed of last as lamb thing I don't like it I don't see why you should dress as mutton why the hell should you if you want to dress Islamic dress Islamism as you like that's my view you may absolutely disagree and you're entitled to do so 080-731-2000 but now it's time for the sport with Matthew Schofield. The London School as Arsenal have held a meeting with the Manchester City coach McI l r Tatar to discuss their man a jury or vacancy with the Gunners having lost 4 out of 5 games since Freddie Ljungberg became interim manager leaving them 10th in the Premier League the search for a permanent replacement for an I am ready has taken on a new urgency was the B.B.C.'s Simon Stone explains the club's chief executive and chief contract negotiator. We're pictured outside our teachers apartment just hours after Sunday's 3 nil defeat to Manchester City at the Emirates we can only conclude from that that negotiations have taken place between our teta and Arsenal over this vacancy they've got for manager since Emery was sacked a tetter was interviewed for the job in 2018 but that went to Emory Instead there's no word from either club about precisely what those negotiations were about whether arsenal of offered the job or not but yes it's a decision if it can development and it looks as though Arsenal are edging closer to appointing a new manager Meanwhile Everton have made Carlo enchiladas He their preferred candidate to take over their managerial post on a permanent basis with some reports suggesting the former Chelsea boss has agreed a deal in principle to take over from Marcos Silva a Goodison Park now in last night's premier league match a stunning goal from Wilfried Zaha rescued a point for Crystal Palace against Brighton at Selhurst Park the seagulls dominated the game but the Palace boss Roy Hodgson thinks his side deserved the draw. From the table thought it was full of character political relation you know there's no denying that when they took really we couldn't suggest that that was unjust but for us to state that it was an incredible effort and the 4 English clubs in the Champions League face a tough test in the last 16 Chelsea have drawn by in Munich Tottenham face a tricky tie against the current board as legal leaders are be like Liverpool take on Athletico Madrid a Manchester City will face the 13 time winners realm adrift in the Europa League Arsenal will take on the Greek giants of m.p.r. Course and Manchester United will play the in-form Belgian side club Bruges. Digital Radio $94.00 f.m. And on b.b.c. Sounds this is love and this is b.b.c. Radio London there so shall. I with sustainability at the forefront of our consciousness in a way that it certainly hasn't been in Christmas is Paul Auster it's time to turn our attention to something that maybe isn't the most glamorous side of Christmas but it is pretty hard to escape and that is all the waste that will begin piling up in our household over the coming weeks I'm talking about wrapping paper and gift packaging leftover food all sorts of things unwanted presents a list of them Christmas crackers and everything else that ends up going into the bin in fact 7 out of 10 people will readily admit to buying full more food than they need while they cater for family and friends this year reportedly see De has been to meet an inventor who's hoping to change the face of food waste here in London and he joins me in the studio Good morning good morning Vanessa was this close to home the subject yes it was and I feel like it's becoming more prevalent as we cover in the news pretty regularly in our news room and the long and short of it is Vanessa we do in fact waste a lot of Christmas I found out that we throw throw away around $54000000.00 page falls of food during December alone that's basically one full meal per person going straight in the bin one and I decided to find out if there's anyone right here in London who's trying to change that so I met a lady called Saul Vega patched ita she believes that we track away loads of Our Own wanted food because we can't really tell when it's going off she thinks there's a problem with expiry dates so she came to the conclusion that if there was a better technology on the market to tell us where the food was still edible we might just keep perishables for longer in the fridge and therefore throw less away so they decided to invent that technology she go to patent for it's cool mimic a touch she's been busy developing the technology with her colleagues Lawrence case and Jessica Katz and. Down to the mimic offices in shortish to find out what they've been up to I started by asking solve a get to explain her invention to mimic a touch is a label on your food and it tells you exactly when that food is no longer good for consumption all you need to do is run your finger across it and if it's smooth it means that your food is safe and only when the bumps appeared then it's no longer good for consumption and the reason why this reduces the whitest is because that most expired dates are set to the worst case scenario dates and what kind of blanket applying these worst case scenarios to all products when in fact most of us are keeping food much better than they expected conditions so the 1st things we can wring doing in the New Year is working with juice companies who have our products integrated into the juice cap so consumers were able to tell if the juice is still fresh boy put rubbing their finger along the line it will exactly is so very good scribes so if I am family and I have you know a bunch of people coming to stay with me over the Christmas period and I have got a project that has your mimic touch technology on it and it's in my fridge over Christmas how will that help to reduce the amount of waste over Christmas many of us like to put on a wide variety of foods as a spread so that means many packets being opened at the same time and over the kind of longer Christmas period you might notice that a cheese has been open for a week and you're not sure if it should still be consumed or maybe a pack of meat that you've opened or some juice and I think it's difficult to keep track in the Christmas period when people coming in another house who opened it when it was opened and also if you've got kids around and they're opening products you're unaware of when they're out and of course up what's going to show you that while this is being kept out for too long he better not drink it so vague or where did your Where did your passion for reducing food waste come from to begin with I actually started thinking about food waste in quite an. Unusual way I I realize that there's no way for people with visual impairments to read expiry dates and so I decided to look at this as part of my final major project while studying industrial design and very quickly I realize that we're all kind of blind to when off it really goes off not just the blind people so tell me a little bit more about what it was like growing up in your household and your family's approach to reducing food waste so I'm Lithuanian and. While I don't remember in my generation but my parents certainly remember rationing from the Soviet times and and the food that you were able to get you certainly weren't going to waste it so that's really the way that my brother and I were brought up so it's always been kind of not wasting that kind of mentality and why are we so bad at tackling this problem in the u.k. Now we have such a throw away consumer society where we don't really think about what we're throwing away even the lower class have access to her a lot of food through these crazy multi-pack deals in supermarkets so people tend to her. By no matter your income so even if it's a one person households people still end up buying much more and thrown away a lot more food one of the great benefits of bringing me because touch the market is helping with food poverty and giving greater access to people with low incomes being have to have confidence the boy food because they know that they can it's going to last longer than they originally thought so they go why why do you think people want to use your product this Christmas and in the future there's so much being spoken about the climate crisis and what people need to do but in reality when it comes to food waste to helping people reduce the amount that food or food that they're throwing away is actually just saving people. So disappear making an operation is going to make an easy to sit decision to take just a waste less food Lissie day they're investigating for us and loveliness and we'll be straight back with you and we're talking about whether you essentially remain yourself and whether we're kind of the hooves us as we get older to subside a bit to tone down a lot to become like an older person whatever that means you need to to meet ourselves years think well you had today had to time in the sun you've been young you've been exceeded print you've been sexy you've been you've been out that you've done it but now you're older just rain in scale down calm down be less of whatever you were because that's what older people do maybe you just think you know who is a political fight in me as long as I got the the urge as long as I've got the the desire to be me I'll be maybe until the very very last day I'll always be me I'll always be making a joke in the operating theatre just as they take me down to operate on me I'll always always be flirting with the nice that is doesn't matter how old I am is I need to do with an age thing I'll always always want to be remembered and noticed and to make an impact I'll always always love schmaltzy musicals and I'll always always love a gorgeous man and a tailored shirt I'm just always going to love that never not going to like that that's me that's who I've always been and I'm not going to change or do you feel you've changed a lot your tastes have changed your desires change the way you project yourself has changed everything you want has changed it's really up to you this one is as individual as you are that's why it's worth talking about so the number is 080-731-2008 is a free phone number one cause your brain to say so and I just like your take on it I would be really interesting to know whether people feel very different from how they used to when I feel the same whether you feel old what age we think old age is when is it suitable to become an older person anyway 080-731-2000 we'll be straight back with you after the travel. 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Lovely little Welcome to the program it's 848 on Tuesday the 17th of December trust you are well a very cordial greeting to you this morning now we're asking this morning on the program whether you feel that it's incumbent upon us as we get older somehow to I suppose step back from the limelight scale ourselves and our personalities downscale our desires down change the way we dress become older people in a new. In a suitable man a say nobody can ever say she's must know he's dressed as lamb will he thinks oh she thinks she's a much younger than he was she really is or what don't they realize that well past it past their sell by date they've had their day nobody can accuse you of that if you scale yourself down and maybe you can ring me 180-871-2000 say well yeah you do that instinctively as you get older that's what you do you do you tone down everything because you've been young and naive older it's a whole different ball game maybe not and you will remember the picture of the record Johnson in a red necklace day and it was banned on t f l And it was banned because it was said that it objectified all Reka other people said Now come on as an agenda he's an old woman she's 53 in a necklace a maybe it's considered unsuitable unsavory even really she should go where some sensible comfy with pajamas and some nice carpet slippers and she shouldn't be showing picked people pictures of herself in the mirror together and you know I'm a human I do work at the b.b.c. I am a conduit of your views but I also have my own views and things that I'm allowed to be to be an individual about and I just don't come off it's ridiculous you remember my father was Norman the king's I grew up surrounded by lots and lots of different underwear and I thought Come on let's have a nursery shoot hand so you will see me I wasn't expecting to be from pages but was shocked but anyway front page of The Sun today in a red negli say an enormous call joins me on the line I'd love to get have you one this and I don't have any idea in advance what she's going to say and that's the truth Nina good morning morning 1st of all what us what a fabulous photo shoot that was you look terrific I know you don't have to say that I don't mind if you were horrified you're and allowed to be horrified I don't mind honestly no no. I don't think anybody's ever thought I made any kind of not a grunting and I sincerely hope they would know I look at the picture the story I'll share I mean 1st of all congratulations you've lost 4 stone and you can't look . Fabulist No I hold businesses you know getting all the where in the elasticated waistbands a sense of shoes that may be Ok for some people but frankly I just go on as I always have done I think of myself as exactly the same I do some idiot I mean but. Fortunately my my life goes on as it has thought I don't think of myself as the older generation or the younger generation I'm just need. And do you feel as if the things you want the things you like the things that excite to the things that you know that appeal to you are what they waste why would you feel that life has dulled it or changed that sort of thing no I am exactly the same you know I've been happily together with my lovely as a grant for 29 years happily unmarried you know I still feel the same about him you know when I see in you know if we can particle little bit you know even an hour or something and I see him across the street my heart gives a little leap you know it's it's it's great and so so so that hasn't changed you know my clothes haven't changed particularly No not at all in fact I'm still wearing this I'm sitting here actually talking to you in skin tight little lemon leggings imitation and I'm at the gym I mean like I go to the gym every single day . I want to ask you something do you remember youth that Joyce Do you remember George and Mildred that sitcom on the telly Yes Yes And do you remember you think Joyce was I don't know how old she was meant to be but she was kind of post-menopausal and how let's say she was 60 I don't know what she was but you remember she used to kind of wear a necklace and was a figure of fun because she was an older woman who like sex wasn't or wanted sex absolutely she was that she was she was always like a pantomime. And and sort of and sort of sneered at and I think you are getting too heavy but I think that you know men have always been fearful of women there are lots of things that they they like that they can't cope with so as a sexy woman find that separated a sexy older woman you can't have it all you can have wisdom which you Coakley get with you can't be sexy and that because that gives you too much power that gives you much too much power is that what I think it is that's interesting I never thought of it that way well I just I just you know men have always. Worried about strong women if you look at if you look at it if you look at the the the difference between and not all women say Katyn Meghan Yes you know Meghan is is forthright she's made her own way she's intelligent woman she's spoken at United Nations she believes strongly about all sorts of things she's very much an independent strong woman she's gorgeous if sex which is everything that you imagine a woman should be yeah but she is reviled by the British public in comparison with Kate not Kate dresses beautifully always looks lovely simple as a lot talks about the children and that's it so therefore Kate is the perfect. Ideal British woman she is not a threat. And I think that's totally unfair and I think so seriously our society needs to grow up and and except a woman in every aspect of her lust for her for who she is and not be strident of. Some people said to me when I said I was going to do this she People said oh my god you're brave are you nervous are you frightened and I was thinking well I'm frightened of of you know of Tibet sitting in a necklace if going to say why would I be scared of that and not really know but then when more and more people said it to me I thought gosh maybe I should be frightened a nervous and I'm lucky I mean because I've only got this 8 pound phone and I'm not online so if anybody wants to tell me they can't thank God for that I'd really hate that but but I suppose I I mean I realize now I will think about it I must be exposing myself to all kinds of vitriol and gnostic and you know and people just thinking why doesn't she cover up and you know who wants to see that it put me off my breakfast and all that kind of stuff I suppose as an older woman I'm 57 so as an older woman I suppose people just think maybe you know if we're not interested. People to move out of the parade so they can shine that the younger generation the trouble with with that we won't be. Any way that anyone anyone would think yeah if you say are you worried about what people say. When I when I approached my 70th birthday I asked him did have a bit of a wobble in our sails through all the age things not thought it was a bit of a hiccup but then after that or about anything and simply was a bit of a goddess finally and but I spent my 70th birthday in nice and the San Fran and sunshine here and at the moment of my record of my birth certificate 5 parts for the afternoon I was designed by the top of a lovely hotel in a shocking pink bikini why a glass of rosé by my side actually it was I thought it was an act of defiance I'm not sure or did pretty much something to make I lay there on the sun lounger and when the moment passed the 5 past so after all life is still possible and I've found my glass of rosé and called for another well that's fabulous isn't it that fact do you think it any point you will think of yourself as a lot or do you think that's just not a mindset would you think it comes a view occasionally in waves and most of the time you just feel like yourself you don't feel either old or young you just feel like Nina I guess I feel I feel like men and I think I am by it people can call me out but actually I don't care about that so what so what what what it's a label it's it's it's not a state of mind it's not an actual It's not act it doesn't actually describe here you are what you think or what you do and does it describe what you all to do or to just think well what I have a crew Dave and what I've acquired and what I've learned is you know the world doesn't center around me and if you want to look at me you have for me and I'm just going to as I'm older now wiser I'm now quieter I'm tending myself down I'm a different version of myself is that is that poets like this. That I think I listen to me. As many as you can. I just feel like I felt when I was it I keep saying 16 for legal reasons but really I feel like I felt I was 14 at exactly this I mean the long hot summer. 76 Boy what a year that was absolutely you couldn't go to bed on your own you couldn't go to bed with anyone else because you were too young but you know that you want to do is really exciting and I feel exactly like that oh I just want to say well it feel any different I have a new and to me a kind of script about how I meant to feel and I feel like I was felt. Very interesting report card called Q like to die young I interview celebrities who are of my generation Michael Playland great times down to row. Glenda Jackson Roger Dorsey and you know we are just saying we are keeping you know not just keeping going we are continuing as we were I mean there maybe are you know creek and groan and twitch and you know that that's not what it was before but the Spirit is the same and I think that's the point is and I think the same the same spirit the same curiosity the same dedication to live to to work to creativity to having a good time that doesn't change too and I think if it does it's very sad to hear well I'm really pleased to talk to you as I always thank you so much that's need to misquote Absolutely. How she celebrated his 70th but the in the pink bikini in the south of France with a cocktail what a woman this is from and says When I said there's clearly no slowing down for you after seeing the pictures in the sun today well done that's very nice of him not to c.g.i. Lots of lighting lots of makeup you know I don't really look like that if you look at me now but the shocking cold I look nothing like that but anyway I just hit 50 and I feel sexier than ever says. And I'm getting more How's your father than ever embrace life whatever age you never feel the need to apologize. Or when you're 30 that's absolute rubbish I say says it is all about attitude Bravo He says leading the way again that's very nice of him you're listening to b.b.c. Radio London coming up from 10 robot has a London Christmas special they can sing on Charles Dickens and find out about a production of a Christmas carol. The Tells Dickens museum is still to come on break this your calls on being yourself as you get older are you still the person you were in your teens still like the things you always did when the same claims in this instance say music what he discovered other things that you enjoy maybe you've changed and moved. On to so Radio $96.00 f.m. . B.b.c. Says this. Is an island and. This is b.b.c. Radio. London's Music 9 I'm Matthew Schofield a London based evangelical church that's won praise for helping ex gang members has been accused of leaving vulnerable young members of its congregation with debts of thousands of pounds spac nation denies financially exploiting young people but it's now being investigated by the Charity Commission and the Met Police are reviewing allegations of possible fraud the labor m.p. For Croydon North Steve Rita's told the Nasser it's a cult and it needs thoroughly investigating disorganize is recruiting. Call right across the. Border sorting up business is. Needed in this organization. For money and it also could be about enriching this organization by possible primarily illegal is absolutely terrifying. Right across the London Fire Brigade has been branded wasteful and too slow to implement the changes required following the fire at Grenfell tower the commissioner Danny cotton has brought her retirement forward by more than 3 months after she was shown an advance copy of the highly critical report by inspectors who say the brigade isn't particularly well run Matt Paul who wrote the report says training is a particular area of concern we offer examples of incident commanders not getting the right sort of training even the brigade doesn't have a kind of pass fail for the standard for incident commanders so it doesn't know whether they've got the right skills we found. Fire engine drivers who haven't had any training for 20 years is still driving around London it's emerged the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry warn privately back in September that Labor's chances of winning the election would be hampered by Jeremy Corbin's decision to take a neutral stance on bricks that the is linked in South m.p. He was speaking to the b.b.c. For a documentary that will be shown on b.b.c. 2 tonight if workers into that election saying I don't have a view on the single biggest decision that we have to make I think that what worries me is that every single interview he does will all be about Greg said I'm really pushing this because I want Jeremy number 10 well this morning Boris Johnson is chairing the 1st cabinet meeting since his emphatic election victory and he's already announced a new clause to his bricks a bill that would make it illegal for parliament to extend the transition period beyond the end of next year and peace are expected to vote on it on Friday but the Prime Minister's critics say it increases the chance of Britain leaving the e.u. Without a trade deal reckless and irresponsible according to Labor's shadow bricks and Secretary secures Starmer with a cabinet minister Michael Gove was asked earlier if Britain might have to leave without a deal we will get a deal and the political declaration commits both sides to that So Michel Barnier and the European Union have put in black and white and of committed themselves to making sure that we get a deal by that a major review of the decline in the number of prosecutions in convictions for rape purse found the criminal justice system is so under-resourced it's close to breaking point but it found no evidence that the Crown Prosecution Service is only taking cases to court when a conviction is easy to achieve but Sarah Green a campaigner from the end violence against women coalition says prosecutors are increasingly risk averse seeing cases such as a recent Liverpool case where the c.p.s. Delayed a prosecution for more than 6 months while they asked for school records from the victim they asked for those school records in a case where a woman.
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Sounds this is London this is b.b.c. Radio London turning Crystal Palace made me laugh he said I made a pact with Charles Dickens if he didn't have to finish the Mystery of Edwin Drood if I don't have to finish Little Dorrit says turning now I never finished a little door it was I mean people were saying it's praises and it's by the kids it can't be a bad book but it was so. Drenched in kind of Victorian Secor in melodrama never quite got that. I can't remember if I ever finished the Ok. There's quite a lot of the star of the not finished and then is off as the read more the months and has some of never even begun to turn of to see is one the never even still to. This is one of my favorite tricks of the moment. It's about swimming trunks and it's buzz erosive a. Phone . Call right. If you. Follow. Me. Closely and. You'll. Yes. And long. As she can costs. Money a long. Fall From come. To come. Cease all. Good fun 07 and. I'm we're about to go to church group about to go to one of London's great churches a church which. I'm sure Dickens would have known very well indeed and it's the church of St John's in Waterloo and I'm joined now by 2 people by Canon Giles God who is the vicar of St John's and by the architect Erik Perry who's been working upon it welcome both of you to b.b.c. Radio London and I thank you let me begin with you Giles give us a bit of the history of the church and also kind of how you see its present they function and the church has been really at the heart of the community since it was built back in 1824 that area was a marsh until about 70750 and then it began to emerge as part of the industrial revolution and there was a special funding stream that put churches in these new towns back in the 19th century so it was built then it served the people of Waterloo right through the ninety's and for those who do not show where we are put give us the hot so we always say it's the church by the Imax Yes So it's opposite opposite Waterloo Station it's right at the heart of London if you can't look that little bit of green in front of you exactly yeah we go to church art and things like that and we're quite close the National Theatre in the South Bank Center and all that so we're very connected to all of those things and I guess historically that would have been a large local resident very working class community it would have been very much so yeah certainly by the end of the 19th century it was pretty pretty much slums Yeah and then the church was bombed in the war and it lost its roof and it was burnt out and it was derelict really until 1950 when the it was rebuilt for the Festival of Britain so it was the kind of the Church of the Festival of Britain we did absolutely yeah we did and it was stunning and choirs came from all over the country to sing there as part of the festival and we've got a wonderful mural which was painted at that time by a man called Hunt's 5 Bush who is a Jewish refugee who came over in the 19 $130.00 s. And found his body painting murals in churches where he's done this fantastic meal which is now falling to bits so part of it is part of a whole plan is to put to restore that and you mention music and music and perform . Has been central to the kind of the work of the church yet completely we we see ourselves as one of London's great musical churches we went home to the south met Sinfonia which is no extra which gives people the training in being part of a professional construct and then they go off and get jobs and full time orchestras we have lots and lots of a mixer and no fresh an orchestra so use us we have choirs we're also we also have something called a Waterloo festival and we reach out very much to kind of local community arts organizations What do you still have a Co a local congregation Yeah very much so over half the congregation walks to church released locally in current street and around the I was going to say because I think people probably forget that there are people still living in very much in the area around there definitely I think we have about 8000 people living there live in the parish we don't have 8000 people coming to church on fortunately but we have come up with the only. Next plan so you're doing some major works of restoration which is where it comes in Eric welcome to the show and this is not the 1st church that you've worked no not at all. Some just over a decade ago we finished the the renewal as it's called of St Martin the fields which included a lot of space underground crypt Yeah that's right yeah and what was your brief on this particular project Well it it 1st of all I think you have to imagine that the church when it was referred Bisht in 151 had his roof put back on and so on was set in a wasteland you know and that's changed so the 1st thing in a way is to make it more accessible to just feel a bit cut off is a job on an island you know when you drive past all psychopaths that you're risk and kind of go boy Yeah so the architect's kind of brief in 1951 was to create a sanctuary with that that that surrounding Depor really obviously the festival Britain site comes up and then so much as. And around the site so that's the 1st thing is to to make it more accessible but also to rework areas in the crypt that have been dormant so to make that also accessible so lift staircases and then to improve the conditions of the nave which is this it's a Greek portico in the front where the big box in the back huge wonderful spaces 11 meters high you know 20 meters wide 30 meters long good acoustics very good but a bit too lively and tends to get a lot of what the acoustic versions called flatter so reflection so a lot to do the improve it and the lighting and much else and give it a give it a really fresh look yeah. I'm a crazy I mean I'm not a religious man but I love churches and I think that anyone who lives in London we're very aware that they tell the story of a city in many ways and I'm always slightly nervous when I see one of the great churches being kind of redone if you like I mean I think of spittle fields for example which is a truly great hoax more church I find a little too bright a little too new and a little this is if they raise the stories a little you know I mean about that. Yes And it's interesting I'm not just saying that one but you know over restore can't you can and actually you know we have a limit on budget that sometimes a good thing. At smart in the fields you could walk in and say what's happened actually because it's quite judicious it's easy to get it wrong and make it make it to Dusty as well you know to get it to kind of get the pattern nation in the wrong way so redecoration is one part of it but it's also mediating from this huge space down to a focus on the stand and dealing with pragmatic things like storage and we've also worked very closely with lots of heritage but is the 20th century society been really interested in is always going to say Ok So yes the end does that area reflect the kind of Festival of Britain 950 is nice it does it does and we're keeping that I mean we had quite some quite big discussions when you were the 2030 or our initial plan plans had to be changed quite a lot and we're now doing something which both celebrates that past and that's why we want to refocus the fiber but also brings into the 21st century What's the 5 Bush that's the mural that's right that is very much a part of history because it's interesting that that period of architecture that kind of we know what's known as mid century modern has become very fashionable as it was the sort of thing that we was we were not now is in 20 years ago now we're saying oh that's actually fantastic However the it must be said that the architecture of the 1951 reworking of the church was not in the spirit wasn't of Modernism as you interpret ing it you know which is of course very in vogue. Is it what your vision at the end of all of this and when is the end of this well hopefully the end of all this will be. April 2021 in time for the 70th anniversary the 1st for Britain right where raising We need 5000000 pounds we've raised 3000000 so we're on the Today show over 2000000 shy but you know we're heading that way and we might talk more about how do you raise the money from is corporate money is this where does it come it's a bit of some of it's come from the mayor of London which was great he's given us 3 course of a 1000000 through his good growth fund we've got trust in foundations the congregation of been very supportive and quite a lot of other people so we're heading in the right direction we do need more donations and there's a website some jobs Waterloo forward slash reignite. The most important thing about this is that it's for everybody there are kind of 3 headings as arts community and environment so we want to make the building fully sustainable so make it carbon neutral by storing p.v. Panels and. Panels on the roof and source heat pumps and various all this it just does it as a question I mean obviously relating to the church but more generally is there were a tension ever between wanting to be carbon neutral wanting to be as green as possible and the aesthetics of a building Yes certainly with with historically historic building Yeah I mean I live in a I'm very lucky I live in a Lake George in house and you can't put the double glazing you can't put solar panels on the roof it would be appalling that that's all absolutely true of the Navy particularly you know but it's Act We're starting with a crypt and there it is possible to make such radical improvements that we end up in a very good place from the point of view of sustainability and it's in the equipment it's in a multitude of small endeavors that add up to something that is really radically better I mean one of the other things that our area is and if famous is the correct word but known for is that there's always been a large homeless population around the area What's your relationship because obviously some are in the fields you know very similar story so there are 2 things that we really focus on the local community want to supporting homeless people and we open every Winter's Night Shelter Yeah so on Monday sat down in the crypt always in the church but it doesn't work very well at the moment because we haven't got proper catering facilities and things so this will enable us to provide proper food for 25 homeless people during the winter on a Monday night we also have a food bank and again that doesn't work very well because we haven't got the right city so it will improve that and we provide quite a lot of advice and support people so again that will become better through this building the other thing we do is a lot of supporting people into employment especially young local people who are funny to get work we've got a really successful track record. Sort of helping people in this one form and yeah we do a lot of that and but again we're hampered by our spaces and we want to improve them so that we can provide better services and we have a really good record about 80 or 90 percent of the people we work with Go want to get a full time job well which is great. Well how far are you into all of this where we're at the actually at the stage of being in able to implement this whole scheme so the intention is to start on site in July we've already done some enabling work so we're well on our way and you know there are there are contractors' in the wings and we're ready to go I'm going to be where you have to. Resteal meet the team. When we're going to have the project so we wouldn't be able to do the Church of the limits of that's what we need from the guy to turn that into the great space could be when the great day comes and he's having some big musical events to celebrate do you think we certainly will yeah we'll be lighting up the sky and it's going to be amazing when we reopen especially for celebration the Festival of Britain as well and if people come along to St John's just just literally if they were in the neighborhood a lot passing by oh they want to come and have a look you open every day yet where if an everyday 10 till 6 noticed those were still people about the scheme those donation boxes there's all those things and it's very much it is really a church from London and that's what we want and maybe some hearing about that from Kevin Giles go to the vicar of St John's Church in Waterloo and the architect Eric Parry Gentlemen thank you both very much. Was some poem about Mabel Mabel won the table. There it is somewhere in the very back of my addled brain. Stephen West Ham says Robert are you here up to Christmas Eve just so you can play your traditional homeless man singing before the break for Christmas yes indeed I am I'm here right up to Christmas Eve I've got Christmas day off I'm boxing day off and then I'm off for New Year's Day but other than that I'm here here all the way through and there's a link to the piece of music that I play every year and the church we were just discussing the piece of music is Jesus' blood never failed me yet and I'm sure most of you will know because you've been listening to the show a long time that it features a homeless man who was recorded back in the 1970 s. Singing that little ditty there's no other new word for it kind of rhyme. Set to classical music and on 90 odd percent certain that he was recorded in the grounds of the churchyard of St John's in Waterloo he was certainly recorded in Waterloo now it could have been in the old roundabout drama before it was the imam because people are homeless but we still live there and that was known as cardboard city was in it but this was earlier than that and I'm pretty certain he was recorded singing Jesus' blood in the in the. Church Jones he was with a group of homeless people who were there at the time that recording was Mike so there's an absolute link to that church and that piece of music which I will indeed be play. And it is it's a tradition in the show that we couldn't possibly like. The look of the lead to the. News. Want to join in it's news. News. Just some. Fun. See. She's a. Young punks against come she. Comes on the phone. The next. Phone. Thanks again. And. Again. Thanks. For getting up. K. K. And lots and lots of people tell me what to read which is fantastic and you know what many of you agree I'll tell you exactly which Dickens book is coming out as 5 for me to read next you know if you've never read Pickwick Papers that's the one I would say I mean they were great vexations I think is the greatest but Pickwick pipers is sung much fun. London's headlines at 1130 Good morning Boris Johnson has told his senior ministers You ain't seen nothing yet it is 1st cabinet meeting since the conservatives decisive election when Meanwhile Labor has branded the prime minister reckless and irresponsible for adding a new clause to his breakfast bill that would make it illegal for parliament to extend the transition period beyond the end of next year a London m.p. Has called for an urgent police investigation into an evangelical church that stands accused of financially exploiting its young members spac nation which has won praise for helping ex gang members find salvation denies the allegations made in last night's b.b.c. Panorama programme but the labor m.p. For Croydon North Steve Reid has told b.b.c. Radio London it's a cult and Scotland Yard should take immediate action the London Fire Brigade has been branded wasteful a not particularly well run by Her Majesty's inspectors the commissioner Danny caution who was given an advance copy of their report 6 weeks ago there's already announced shall retire at the end of the year more than 3 months early and the t.v. Presenter Caroline Flack says she won't be hosting the next series of Love Island after she was charged with assault at the home in a sling too and she shares with her boyfriend the 6 series of the reality show launches on i.t.v. 2 in the New Year. Miss Flack says in order to not detract attention from it the best thing she can do is stand down London's weather cloudy and wet today some heavy rain at times and feeling chillier than yesterday talk temperatures 8 Celsius 46 Fahrenheit now with the b.b.c. Radio London travel Rob Oxley. Deva have tunnels closed my few today and tomorrow until about 4 o'clock each day the trees that overhang the approach to the tunnel being cut down and back long delays on the highway and the 13 heading towards Tower Hill and over Tower Bridge as a result of this Jamaica the southern section old southern approach to the hives and not looking quite so bad still busy northbound up towards the black or tunnel that still not recovered from the rush hour and at Kensal Green Chamberlain road and Kilburn lane both of those closed off police investigations underway after an assault on the cheap severe delays on the bay Kalu line is also severe delays for the circle district and Hammersmith and City Lines was the Metropolitan line now on the move again but just minor delays the chains on the whole aside from Southwest in their way posting a good service there's more travel just after midday. This is all right tell me the last thing that you did that for you that was probably wanted the privilege to do it is London anywhere in London. Without hearing some noise of this is this family arena it's pretty big I mean I'm most excited about coming out and just saying hello there been askin to him he was here this is the trick is to come see you pleasure Milledge bonsai b.b.c. Radio London. Oh and let me remind you what we've still got to do we've got to listen to Perry right a female singer songwriter in a kind of a jazz a vine coming in to perform for us she's playing at the. Crazy Coke's on the 27th of February and she's going to be playing with us today so that's going to be the last half an hour live jazz music with Perry right before that between 2 of the in one mark I miss will be in Mark his now kind of industrial history correspondent he looks at factories and stuff that was made in London but we've put him on a kind of a Christmas tape so he's going to be looking at factory Christmas parties what were they like what did they involve Do you have any stories to share so that's what we're going to be doing with Mark between $1230.00 and. Between 121231 as to what became the show we love you to recommend your favorite Dickens book to me what's the best Dickens film of the I think there's 2 contenders to that personally but you tell me or your favorite television adaptation or whatever it might be which if I've seen in a Dickens you could you can do that with the kids they are a collection of so set piece scenes. And there are you know there are so many wonderful ones so let's talk Dickens between 12 and 1230 we're going to be talking Dickens in the next half an hour as well because I'm going to be joined by the curator of the Charles Dickens museum Louisa price to talk about beautiful books Dickens in the business of Christmas before that one of my favorite tricks of the moment my favorite tricks of the year it's a new find for me this I'd never heard of Leif volley back before this particularly you still don't know an awful lot about him except he's made a truly great album and the time from the moment is the way that you feel. Just to carry the. The mad ones of the blues. Some to do with between. Sometimes it gets to you from. There we assume. They were just in with. The clothes in the room in the 1st. Leg of the run. Is that really well that was worth a. Lot and I was struck a deal. It took me where I will. The answer. Is not really when I was in. Other than I was took. It took me where I was. In the way to thing. To the way yes feel. To the way you this feel. To the way that you feel. To the way it's feel. Leaf volley back is such a good piece of music that and in fact it's such a good album it's one of the ones I would really recommend the album is called New worries by leaf volley back and you heard it here and probably nowhere else but on the river elms show and today you're hearing a lot about Dickens because begins and London and Christmas the 3 things just go together there they're so intertwined every notions of Christmas are essentially Dickensian this certainly Victorian I mean kind of Christmas as we know it was invented in this period of time as by Dickens as much as anybody else really and that's what's being celebrated over at the dickens House Museum and I'm joined now by Louisa Price's a curator from the as Museum in doubt c. Street to tell us about beautiful books Dickens in the business of Christmas Louisa Welcome to the show thank you so I think so 1st of all for those who've never been to the museum in the must be some poll cells out there maybe they describe kind of where you are and why you're there and what you do so the museums a bit of a hidden gem so it's up a street that you probably don't expect a museum to be on and it's actually within Dickens his house where he lived in the $830.00 s. So it's a Georgian town house and open from the kitchens in the in the basement all the way to the nursery in the attic and in the neighboring properties because you've got next door as well as that I mean yeah and so then it's a property we've got the opportunity to have a shop and a cafe and then also this these special exhibition rooms where we can bring out other parts in and show them off at times like Christmas and your own which is kind of deep in what I think covers Dickie newsies London Yeah it's a really great location because even just getting out the door you know you're immediately into different places that feature in the novel so you know just down the road are key spots from all of the twist and don't these don't be straight is nearby there's heaps of streets nearby which named after the characters as well which is very yeah it's a it's within explore. We're not just coming to the museum but the area around as well and also you've got the foundlings opposite haven't you which is very much you know the idea of childhood and Christmas it kind of the 2 go together Yeah absolutely so. Christmas is a great time comes the museum obviously because Dickens loved Christmas he wrote about it and so the house is decorated as Dickens and his family would have had it at Christmas time so this is his can of go into the dining room and see the ticky laid out and. The drawing room with all the you know greenery about in a Christmas tree on display as well but this Christmas we've also put on a special exhibition and tried to showcase parts of our pollution which talk about the way that Dickens was this big part of helping establish what we understand is as a modern day Christmas what's the what's the core of this exhibition is is it the book this is it absolutely So this you know there's a lot you can talk about when you talk about Dickens in Christmas and particularly with the Christmas Carol but this exhibition is about really the way that Dickens was actually quite commercially savvy that he understood or all these significant changes that were happening in the 19th century the way society was changing this in facilis on the family on children on on this particular news new feast of season of Christmas as well as developments in printing and communication technology and He will all these things together and he thought I've got an idea I want to write the perfect gift but for Christmas and he came out with a Christmas carol he wanted to in some incredibly short period of time absolutely it was 6 weeks yet and so he put together this beautiful perfect little bit for Christmas and 6 weeks time and it was an instant hit and also the in in subsequent years he's released several other Christmas books and in Christmas stories and very much cornered the market for Christmas publishing because we think of the kids the novelist and his what 15 novel I guess but this course of short stories and ghosts . Sorries Yeah yeah and that something he was really aware of that set for Christmas time a little ghost story is just perfect it was something that families would gather together and the readership around the fireside and and and share that time together a Christmas carol is a ghost story and subsequently some of his later Christmas stories are also. Full of a similar theme so what do you have to illustrate this with what people actually see while so we're really lucky for this exhibition we've we've we've been partnered with mags brothers who are great antiquarian but she just around the corner from us and they test some beautiful books which we would get to the 1st edition with these these are actually books that were given by as gifts at Christmas time that have just been an elaborately decorated so they buy the Great but bind a single skin Sutcliff they used to use like Reus Reed jewels precious stones within the embodies of the books so we're just talking about Christmas in terms of like the gift giving of of printed materials we've got lovely things like that but we've also barred things from St Bride library who are just off Fleet Street to talk about printing in the 1903 they were great at another head in Jim in the city that have a collection that relates to the printing industry and Fleet Street and so they're helping us talk about the way these books were put together the role of composite has and and bookbinders in the period was thickens a reader as well as a writer that he read other people's books Yes absolutely and he was very select Dickens's libraries that she really well documented because when he died it was eventually sold in its entirety and so you can do you do see a great range of authors and also he he commissioned a lot of authors for his his journals as well through the fifty's and sixty's so yes he was very aware of particularly British writers how long do they live in that particular house because he moved around a lot in the yes so he was only doubt he straight for 2 and a half years but it was quite a signal. That period of time so he spoke to the everything he wrote Pickwick Papers all of a twist and a clinical day and a tiny bit about to be read which isn't bad for 2 and a half minutes that's not you I got you and those of those a doorstopper books is the biggest Yes so it was a very productive period of his rushing life where was he living when he wrote Christmas Carol so he just moved out of doubt histories and he got a little tour of America in between and he was living in different terrace which is not actually far from the museum as well it's again just in that sort of Mala been area as well. You also have events and performances and things that you at the museum in years with so every Christmas we have. Various readings of Dickens's Christmas stories and. Some popular performances as a Christmas Carol but this year also we've got other actors who are performing some of his Listen 9 Christmas books as well. It's a beautiful saying it's we're not a method museum but it makes it into motion and it really. Just in throwing performance opposition you have to what tickets you do and I have to warn you that some of them are selling out fast at the moment. Yes and the other thing is we're not open on Christmas Day But on Christmas Eve we have an amazing event where we've got his all through the house and so if you come to question immersive experience in every room you go and you'll find. Some some actual something and exciting going on Ok so all of these events taking place plus there's the exhibition thickens in the business of Christmas and you just get to get a sense as well I guess of the man and the place again absolutely So I hope people coming to 6 but most of say the way that this was 176 years since Carol was written Dickens has just had such an impact on the way that we're celebrating Christmas today well that's the dickens House Museum over there in the street in w c one and we've been hearing about it from Louisa price Louisa thank you very very much. I. She. And. A couple of people are send me e-mails about the old curiosity shop and I mean the Dickens book with our overseas link to that but I mean the shop in the same Poland Street it's rammed the back of the l.s.e. Is a show I used to go past every day when I studied there and I've been there you know my son studied this I've been in more recently. I've always thought always been told that there isn't that there's no link to Dickens with that shop it is a shop from that period it's one of the few surviving shops one of the few surviving buildings some of it's kind of a medieval building I think a 17th century shop it survived you know the Great Fire of London in the Blitz and all of those things but I don't actually think there's any link to Charles Dickens with that show isn't what the city was by Still it's being called that later. This is still so kind of pixie shoot. I haven't seen that show I've been to the I've been there for quite some time of course you could go there and go to the dickens House Museum and take a look at it you could go to the sun's Museum which is very very close by because it's right by Lincoln's Inn Fields It's sort of behind the l.s.e. I'm just performing in food starts and it's well worth taking a look at. It's Portugal st not punish St sorry that's what I meant I didn't mean policy I mean. Thank you for that yeah it's import you go Street which is at the back of the l.s.e. In just the bottom of Lincoln's Inn Fields I guess and a walk around that area from there over to where Taoist Street is take you through ridiculous Islam and there is a dumby street and there is a Others Well I've never known is the lady said you know they're named after Dickens characters I think it's the other way round I think he went out walking the streets and called characters after the streets that were there because those streets were built before decades so in one instance I think it is that. Anyway so it's well worth that guys have a look at last time I looked it sold slightly unusual and might shoot of a club of a kind that I probably wouldn't way because they were so Pixie ish but a fascinating place. The love affair and everlasting love. But between 12 and 1230 I want you to tell me what the dickens what Dickens to read next what's your favorite Dickens What's your favorite be construing What's your favorite scene from a Dickens book or film but love to hear a word of God. Off to that. We're going to be talking to mum I miss our industrial history correspondent about factory Christmas polities us what we're going to be doing now at the top of the show I played with some fantastic fruits in it and I said I love it a flute I thought to toot my fruits for you couldn't them what song that kind from someone pointed out of course that it's this one. Slug it will be let's plug. Away. If you can use some exotic foods there's a. Come Fly With Me Let's fly let's fly away. Come with me let's close down shoot. Him. There's a one man band then do his flute for you. Come fly with let's take. The blue. One side gets you up. One side gets you. Sorry about that let me try and get this into the right place that went horribly wrong. 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Criminalisation What is your feeling how all your thoughts do please express the mo 87312000 of course London oh we were made as well we by and large say therefore may well be the Affinia absolutely fed up with the whole flipping thing how are you this morning give us a call about that and also I'll be taking your calls on convalescent homes what do you remember about them what do you think we need to bring them back are they due a revival or even a renascence I mean 207312000 you're in the program my paper reviewed the physiotherapist Ultimo race to it told me a shortage of stuff means there's a lack of care when people leave hospital we have a problem with what happens to people after they leave hospital now in terms of rehabilitation what we need is people to get out of hospital be to really be rehabilitated and then go back to their homes to find the proper care that they need and what we haven't got is the bulk of staff care workers physiotherapists all the other had allied health professionals to get these people back to where they want to be. And she said the convalescent homes could be and also her own mother had benefited from one my mother was a beneficiary of that system and I remember having her having a hysterectomy and she was for have you know she was having issues Apache work yes and she had to recover she could not go straight back and they recognize that to save money in the long run you need to get people back on their feet if you're going to go back to work then just give them this time. And joining me on the program is Professor Eric Brown from University College London he's from the Department of Epidemiology and public health Good morning Professor thank you very much indeed for joining us the culm the lesson home is kind of like is a very man take figure of people's memory rather than something that still exists is it. Well I think you're right I think that there's a case for having convalescent homes for the sake of a small groups of people but by the treating move towards a system where people spend soft nights in hospital let's say after a hip replacement Yes And then along comes someone on their feet sudden. The question is. What's what is how is there somebody that to help if they can be a problem with that as and so forth and of a going to be able to get back on their face and get back to functioning. Without help and that's where the convalescent home I These folks have to sell a specific gap which is to do with the living circumstances of the individual but it didn't used to be that people go to convalescent homes even if they had you know people that might be able to help men when they did because it was considered that it would take you you know x. Number of weeks even months to get to recover from a hysterectomy it would take your set amount of time to recover from a hip replacement and you know the idea was that you would be fine tuned and you would be well fed and you would be debriefed fresh air and you have your physiotherapy and then you feel better and then you go home it was a kind of different different time frame and a different way of looking at things wasn't it it was there was a but I think if we if we open the arguments ought to consider the fact that. The pressure on funding is absolutely massive and today we also have a population which is growing older the most remarkable rights are money and the. Analysis that we've done using official state service surveys and our shows that the population is the population of over $65.00 yes is growing at a rate of over 2 percent per year well to pursue. Per year doesn't sound enormous but when you compound over a decade it's absolutely extraordinary So what we what we see we see. Deficient statistics is that RINGBACK the I was 65 population is going to go up by 20 percent will is in the process of doing that between 20152025 so all those older people quiet substantial proportion will have social cat means that didn't that really wasn't much real problem in the past and we are talking about more than 2000000 today from the contrary I don't know about decade off a 1000000 extra people needing social cat so. We've got to think about as a society how we're going to pay for that really seeing that and in the recent election and in the previous election the political parties really do not know how to address or how to solve the problem if they were to just invested that convalescent homes would save money in the long run because they'd stop all this to ing and fro ing I suppose they'd stop what people call the callously bed blocking and they'd be attended to independents in the patient unknown devotee maybe there's an argument the saying yes they're expensive to maintain set out but in the long run they pay for themselves. What I think you very much depends on who when I said before you know we. Most of us have got the capacity to be able to convalesce but some of us haven't so that's the group. Benefit from convalescence and. We really what we really need to do is as a country we need to support people to retain their independence to get back on their fate and if convalesce. Homes. Can be found it's all well and good but we've also got a thing as a down side cause Yes the staff who are working in a convalescent home are noughts in the community or maybe they can do both Maybe they can do both but what about the body what about the deep enormous change in the kind of tolerance for how long to say no as well in the old days whenever they were days of yore you remember them if you had a baby perfectly normal delivery perfectly healthy mother and baby you might stay in hospital for as long as 2 weeks self to Woods now you're home within hours of giving birth Similarly if you had a hip replacement it would you know you've been fop maybe a week and these days you're up and walking around the next be you know within about 2 asses coming out of recovery you're walking I'm walking makes me a walking up the stairs at home I mean is it better this way or not to get this way . Well the question is what what was best to Maine for the patient I mean in terms of in terms of health outcomes. Things are improving so maternal mortality has gone down infant mortality has gone down. The headline health statistics are all getting better so from a strictly health points of view the less time you spend in the hospital the better because you know you know there's a joke in the health community about you know the hospital is the place to avoid if your own and the reason for that is because it's where you get infection if you stay in bed too long you get muscle wasting hospital food isn't very good you'll cut so from your Will family in your command it's a side being being in the hospital. Is a contingent issue you know if you will if you're on the euro and then staying in hospital could be a great thing because it could be very supportive it could allow you to rest recuperate and so on but for most people the soon to get out of hospital but it's going to be for health so that for you know if the expecting a recession single minute I know I don't I think there is a place for convalescent homes but when you consider the competing demands that they're all on health and social care funding not call our comment. Much of a case where I mean one of one of the big problems that we do have is well the people new to this bad looking thing but of course it's not all people who are doing the system and the system can only function effectively. If the hospitals if the prison primary care systems work. Or works and of the moment we're in a situation where there are problems. With hospital. Primary care is concerned there's a massive shortage or general problem very much indeed to us as policy appreciated Professor Eric Brahman there from University College London about convalescent homes Yeah they're lovely but actually it doesn't doesn't help to get out of hospital nice and sharpish maybe they'd only be suitable for people who don't have family or people to help them should they go home from hospital the number 871-2000 your memories of convalescent homes what you remember about those and talking about the political climate and how it's all change of what's going to happen next 08712000 Let us take a trail and there will be straight back with you because. This has always been my home to see that we have to stop this. The people from an area around London Bridge being slowly and very calmly evacuated and I think this is one of the joys of London actually people if you stick a microphone on today announced they have a response and that's part of why I love this city this is London where the most interested city in the world b.b.c. Radio London. And online in Southgate is John hi john morning good morning well thank you how are you feeling after the election results are you really are you are you generally or how do you feel. Desperate because that's exactly right. Angry disenfranchised a lot of cons of work why disenfranchised in you that oh yes off to generalize that that's a franchise name do you exercise your right to that why you disenfranchised because obviously from the other callers that you've had his number of rules mentioned that I wasn't to talk of Europe's I was where I am I voted in contradiction to the old color in south west London the cover the age they live without it's obvious that libel here much better judgment to stick a Khepera remain a Tory and it works out that respect like what Moxie worked for the country as a whole. All of the analysis is that we're going to be worse off with this brakes thing and so from our point of view 'd must it just is that London guys independent because that gives us the right to be enfranchised and to choose our representation and to join Europe as a city state eugenics can happen in mini is due I don't think it's going to happen but if there is enough political will in London and it's heavily reminded that with the right organization there's a possibility cause I think that's probably pretty slim but it will then you will if it's good enough for Scotland to have independence hall Northern Ireland have independence does it not but it will Nolen Well they've got more independence than we have in London and it's good enough that's got them it's got them they did against independence in 214 standing 299 Scotland virtually guys independents and most recent referendum look at the when the other Thai suicides also were things interesting the fact that you now have few votes Scotland did get proceed to get those people returned to Parliament as opposed to the Lib Dems who got many more votes and fewer seats. So you say you feel as if just London is this kind of pocket of remaining is in this country a break city aids and say you feel kind of isolated and misrepresented or say you a lot should be our colleagues and friends who work with us who are from some of these European countries that seem to be so resented and hated by Walker and he sees bigotry in the rest of the country and I think that therefore in London we probably got more in common with some of the European cities maybe than we've got with Bradford so or poppy polo Murtha to fill in I think it's time that the rest of the country appreciated that with our money they wouldn't be anywhere near as well off as they are with taxes. And suffer made up its sleeves and love with the men taxes prime minister we've got he's a complete lawyer there was a terrible terrible choice that we were faced with but I think now the only way that we can be optimistic about it is by trying. To get representation in Europe for London Why do you think the Lib Dems did so poorly given that they embraced and they were just wholeheartedly in favor of it and said so and were on the poll and they didn't hedge their bets and didn't get on the fence you would have thought wouldn't you hear it in London for example you might see a clean Lib Dems sweep across the whole of London Well I think 1st of all the leadership was terrible as was the Labor Party the conservatives obviously are completely cynical short an optimist opportunistic y. And I wonder if. All this indiscretions and lies can tell us how many kids etc He doesn't have to resolve the conflict well. Values doesn't and that should have been attacked from Taiwan as well as far as I'm concerned my mind can literally turn suddenly had a few children that no one had ever heard of remember that occasion I just happened to mention them but all it just happened to have various of them I can't remember how many there were oh my Who but I just suddenly remember the day when that much I mean Boris is not the 1st to decline to comment about his offspring and progeny is he I'm Fenice you know and it's already a Tory trait Ken Livingstone did exactly the same as you know exactly someone whose values you want to follow I think and I think that was Mr Cowper go to your question the Liberal Democrats. With all of the other parties and said we are going to field one candidate in 8 c. The u.k. Accounts the conservatives and that person is the person past priced to win the Remind and possibly when the conservatives say and that's what I have missed probably I can go the leadership assessment from school for what did you think was wrong with it 1st of all she spent so much time talking around the fringes talking about stuff to do with transgender issues and things like that right that was one of the things that is a massive distraction and I don't know how much of that you had on your program a little and I must admit I was surprised that that was the main thing you know one particular Lib Dems candidates. As to what not this isn't wrong with it I just was surprised they put it kind of front and for most of them I'm just of you my producer she remembers that when the live time comes it came in and the time the main thing that seemed to be discussed was transgender and that kind of. Game was a bit surprising just the just the amount of emphasis placed on it I did feel just because there were many other things you could be moved commonly appreciated or will you know more clickable I suppose cross the border maybe yeah I agree when she was right or not she was a type of she's kind across a bit like a shrill prefer showed poor leadership. I think the fusing clearly also saying we're not going to respect the results of the referendum are going to just not have you know it's going to play out that that was also a mistake which she should have said is what most of us wanted was let's have you know we think the 1st the most biased on the tissue of law and have a confirmatory rip 2nd referendum so that we can actually see what we're going to see misjudge that one didn't she felt that there was no appetite for referendums as she said they would now when people would like not dislike that I think that some of the parts it is great to have all these principles and ideals and what you. Actually have to work with the politics as they are and I think that she missed that and she probably yes we are and where where how does the now and I think people didn't like that I saw a little bit more kind of superior so you had the choice between her terrible Jeremy cope and. The choice well they called it none popularity contest and they did it for your reason you might say I don't know I'm sorry for your frustration and for your disappointment of your anger there's a lot of it going about in London especially thank you very much says talk to d. In legs and also a very sad Heidi not what you want is in. Jail 5 pm I've been not faces all the other party that I threw doing together just to get her out that I wasn't even enough in the prove to day that. Thank you and you know what can you see now when you see why are you left absolutely dumbfounded you just don't know what happened and why well one person the thing is I saw it was a bright light so that we have to go back to where Christ was born and I saw that price it was all about immigration really it was born on colonial British Empire Imperio rhetoric and I think that's still cool that a lot of people outside of London who live in that. Interrupt you but it's interesting you say colonial British Empire rhetoric because very often the calls that I've had about immigration have been from people who profess themselves to be and I think quite accurately networking classlessness who say for example I live in Croydon Vanessa and when I get on a bus in Croydon a con hearing the spoken I combine English paper you know the place has been taken over by people from abroad they seem to jump to the middle the front of the social housing queue that kind of thing they don't seem to be relics of the British empire using imperial rhetoric they seem to be working class people on a bus in crudeness or as I can hear oh really all of those people are out of London and they really all really working class people or are they working class people that now consider themselves to be the new middle class and it was driving here that everywhere they've got over there you know they've got that Bobby care they've got I think to kick share and they saw it and they are you know like I say poor leadership I'm not so easily said Jeremy who can stand there and go I take that and I think you know what a great thing that responsibility for terrorists what they see for integrity say hi or fences to say giving people a choice not bowing down to peer pressure being mature you know like the mature decision would pay to let's just see what deal is going to be and why it is not if it's a resoundingly catastrophic failure how could I think something would be nice if I could have won what he's done to the LEOs and where do you find that kind of maturity in any of those programs do you not. In the way de in which you've dismissed huge swathes of the working classes you know with barbecue and the little call going here the reason that they're in that little. Patronize ng and completely condemn the tree of those people that you claim to represent Gary which is the poor and the oppressed everyone poor and oppressed desperately wants their own home their own barbecue and a car to go around in and if they want to watch eastenders that's up to them I mean you you to judge them in this way and find the morning and also what would you like them to be doing and we don't want them to have a semi and you don't want to have a car you don't want to have a barbecue What do you want them to do a lot of time a little bit of community consciousness and just a little bit more cautious. Everybody doesn't mean you don't if you have a semi and a barbecue in a car doesn't care about your community you don't know how hard they've had to walk and how long they've had to suffer and save and got this want to get the semi in the Call me people aspire they don't just want to just be still sitting on a picket line all the time do they are allowed to do stuff. Yes they are I'm just giving you a reason as to why I feel the price is right it was born and I feel it was born out of immigration I think we have to be a princess why that was such a share and why it was too much to change the color but if you're looking at why it's such an issue it doesn't help to be contemptuous of the people to be an issue and it doesn't help to you know stick them into sort of swathes of idiocy that they're just stupid little people watching stupid programs and being brainwashed ready you know somebody else use the word brainwashed today about about the people who voted Tory in the north brainwashed by the media brain was it really does doesn't it show tremendous lack of respect for those people and for the fact that they turned out they made a you know a heartfelt conceded decision to go against Usually family programming that had been ingrained for you as maybe even. 100 years or more in their family I mean that was a big deal and they were just brainwashed by Eastenders in a semi and a barbecue minute so you don't know Hosty and I certainly. Don't mean. It means it what it implies is that you understand and they don't and that you understand the working class plight far better than the working classes themselves in the northern working those who've had to leave the Be rough and tough and I wonder whether that's something to do with the you know the failure of the Labor policy in this election the idea that they know better and that they understand and corral the working classes and they've really shown that they weren't able to do that or to do what they. I don't know I think it's a lot more than. Floated in my clothes good quality. Placated I don't really understand why people can't look at those good qualities. An outlier Why are people who are like following. Jeremy platforms with with terrorists it didn't help the anti semitism scandal me quite a lot of things didn't help and one of the things that the papers were suggesting of the weekend and I did try to read all the different papers from all the different angles I wasn't just being fed one thing and ignoring another point of view but obviously even the profoundly leftwing papers had to examine the failure they couldn't exulted they couldn't say Well we did great as you did they didn't do well so one of the things that was suggested about Jeremy Corbin which is an absolute failure to come to terms with history of you know to take on board the different countries in which the various regimes that he has favored What are implementing these and how catastrophic he they found when they won Stalinism communism Leninism English various isms that you know were attractive to many people at the time but then was shown in practice not to work you know the lessons the lessons of history that kind of thing I suppose I think being wearing. I want to the people that pay taxes and given the services that they pay their taxes for I don't really think that equates call. All the evidence to be quite frank. The sale or the how mainstream media portray you know I don't think this is a bit of a stir even if there is. A story where history dearie I was right I spent time in Laos and met men Symon it's influence and it's kind of I suppose you might say that some of the vitriol in the language in the the social media and that kind of thing I suppose couldn't necessarily help the cause I do appreciate it called it was petty if me please doing again. And. And yes I will be straight back of the news headlines that's right. 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And on b.b.c. Sounds. Into this is Radio London. It's. Which will be a bad seismic political change being described as an earthquake some people think that's an understatement so profoundly different is the political map since the general election also doing about convalescent homes and whether there really is a place for them whether it's a shame they disappeared whether we need more of them let me says remember who says I'm an allied health professional working in a cottage hospital I love when. But there are only 12 beds and they're significant running calls for such few patients there's so much value being offered being able to offer more time days recovering particularly we say many patients in the ninety's However there also needs to be more follow up from therapy in the community to continue the good walk of the country hospital not challenge is often the people don't want to go home because it's such a lovely place to be says m m m m m. That's good Gillian open to new She's calling about Convalescent Home Health really and morning however no sir you know my memories are very recent are only a matter of 12 weeks ago ah I have 3 boys that there were only 16 to it seems well I don't know whether I was supposed to name the one that you can tell me if you were doing or why no I'm well it was called the transit else and it's been killed. By experience was absolutely excellent I had Sister therapy and hydrotherapy every day I'm very very good care and I noted too that most of the people there were from far and wide because it is so well recommended and I can't imagine if I'd come straight home I would have had anything like the care and assistance Well I wouldn't have had to detour I was available I'm in h.s. What did you have to pay for it I had to pay for what it was a very expensive quite expensive Yeah and it's the kind of thing that the private health insurance doesn't cover you have to pay for reminding people to have private health insurance in actual fact I did pay and worse it was voices Well I'm now just 4 weeks since my operation and I'm pretty much recovered I can walk I can do anything I need to in the home I can use just so I'm certainly not having such a long recovery period as friends of mine in the posts I've known to have so I recommend I recommend there are no yes are paid and I don't know whether there are any available under the national health but if you had a hip replacement and you're in your eighty's like me. It's a very good. Thing I'm still getting a physio come to see me I was awakened up their exercise is but I'm so glad I went to the metal lab that you were covering they bring in the well that's fantastic you know I had no idea Reno eighty's your voice is so young I seem to ring you don't know if it is all something like that didn't realize you were new atheist I'm just tell me to is it is it a little bit like a hotel in that you have your own bedroom and that kind of thing or do you see poet warden once a line x. It and just like a hotel in fact I think it previously was a hotel and I think it was converted into a rehabilitation I call it rehabilitation Yeah as a source I was aware there are no 6 people that people who have had knee and hip replacements and something like that sure know Yes yes it's just like a hotel you're in room and plenty of stuff excellent assistance from everybody surprising to hear it really and I'm glad you're doing so well Gillian thank you very much indeed Julie one of the lucky ones a secret again to convalescent home base could be she could afford to pay for it so that's all good in Haiti she feels she's recovered so much better than she would have done had she just been shoved off home straight after the operation she's probably a pretty right about that let's talk democracy and ones with the his considered view of a political earthquake Telemark is Good morning and morning great introduction there I'm not sure how considerate that is but I guess. You're either wasting your interesting what do you think about it. But it's hardly that I listened to your previous contributor to this process arm so Chris Tracy we've be. Lack all be falling into what is just pretty right you know you can clearly hear anomaly the support of the song circle you will all my life come to 2017 when I was so disillusioned with your new call being stoned on your reply you know I probably had them but in the election just gone I voted Labor again because we had the best chance of getting out the Victorian combin just the greening. You know my constituency returned a Labor m.p. But. It's a complete radio right over policy leadership and I'm personally too young and I don't get how Labor supporters don't see the problem of Jeremy call being an arse many Labor supporters have seen this for millions back and he was anonymous in the break see the break right here with anonymous and he's failed to lead I'm opposed and you know change the narrative on immigration right away from this toxic debate that's been led by the Tories has always been led by the Tories this is nothing new and Germany called in a new leadership team failed and they have many would think why why why why you capable of seeing that saying that appreciating that didn't anything that explaining that so clearly said nicely about one non-sentence did you get right to the nub of it why why was that a I mean that's that a career that spanned life long makes of a smith politics and try to get into Pa the party if you're not empowered subsidy point that you have to win your magazine otherwise it isn't just doing it for a game and it's not made you know if they way they will have the for the fun of joining in that's not it so why do you see that what would happen and why was there a failure to tip to grasp that I've been so you you hate mail right on the head there right it's about winning power and I don't challenge some of the labor activists down in my area and they were telling me about you know these lofty ambitions of what he was going to do on the climate and for workers' rights you know when he got into power and I'll stick to them when you see it you know it's pretty cagey don't you getting into power and the facts all right you know labor your strategy was abysmal You cannot have right I leader who you knew to win the most important policy issue which would bricks and. Have him be on the face when Boris Johnson a populist leader in the Tories elected him irrespective of the skin into his clothes they elected him because he was a populist leader and he pretended to take the stones on the bricks the about was enough right but he didn't sit on the fence we had a leader who is a brick city I can who took a strong to be neutral on the very most important policy issue and so all that these could be missed is that you've been talking about talking to business that right there in love with the idea right all. Over Germany called big policy there is a lot but the idea of it they they they love the idea more than they Love Actually when in power where is the Tories not being in power they do everything they can do to get over the line right I've been watching now how they will not adopt a different stance now that they go over the Lonny coal business there's a meant to movement how whether you term them are really love with the idea right old. Nationalisation less like these but the no in love we've actually get into power so all of your ideas are great but you know in power and it makes absolutely no difference when you're not in power I'm back in the issues I see but they're in love with the coats of Jeremy Corby and where has it got us absolutely nowhere so it's time to out your ideas have not worked right I mean we talk nonsense about Tony Blair but Tony Blair won 3 elections so let's get Lida right who's capable of you being to the heart like I am not I'm not a politician like him and I know why why no I know I'm capable of global economy if you have my mouth again how do you get my 40 Don't you think you'd be great I just you know again I saw you know I never thought I'd ever say that but it just strikes me just sound is. Sound sensible You sound like Paul you sound extremely clear you sound in touch you sound as if you've got your feet on the ground you sound as if you've got all that good stuff going on plus you sound like you've actually experienced some stuff in life that you have just been a little color you sound like just exactly the right kind of person don't you know what I'm passionate about all very working class for Exactly that's what I'm saying right yes you know they are really close right but the best of issues will be how will be always Johnson has appealed more to the working people who labor leader Bill guys need to look at themselves and listen when they start their listens well one of the things where is it the pundits said on Friday was that the appetizing this country has never really been for revolution it not really that if you look at if you look at the British and you look at the way we vote and you look at history in the way it's all to say fall we don't fancy it so we may say all we hate this and we can't stand this regime and we need more power to the people and we need to you know not have thing on its head but when he started to say just take from the rich you know bash big business blah blah blah people didn't like it in the way that he seemed they would he thought people would go for a kind of I'm not in this were violent but a dramatic revolution and apparently that's not us we never really do have the appetite for that we don't fancy that very much that it does you know I wasn't attractive I was more frightening there active I think maybe I'm you know going to say that all of the policies were you know you know were bad I didn't go along with some of the policy national nationalization right but you have to win how about 1st you have to appeal at least to you know your bread and butter support and then lost them so how we frame your leadership we need and the French people position are not strict with Labor Party and we have got so Labor needs to look at themselves and stop with these excuses about mainstream media I mean the b.b.c. . You know guardian if you could read the Guardian newspaper they were articles in The Guardian. Not convinced about Jeremy question so stop with the excuse that you look at you so listen to the people listen to your own supporters and everybody laughs supporters out there Les but the poor weeks of West concerned about Jeremy Cooper in leadership means not trying to appeal to intellect Jeremy Corbyn $2.00 it's time to have a complete clear out and to rethink the strategy of brain so that's so cool strategy leaders within the Labor party they need to be clear and we need a fresh new approach is good to hear from you thank you very much indeed trust me passion this is down in Shepherd's Bush I'm delighted with the result of the election better than I could have wished for as the reason for Labor Lib Dem failure I think a mix of forces humor and charisma cool been seventy's throwback feel but mainly the opposition's Arak a mantra on born it Boris Johnson embrace it that's him down in Shepherd's Bush Jane Chizik last week's election was an amazing demonstration of what one might call the collective psyche since the referendum politicians have been indulging in what they love best arguing at the minute points of law forming alliances then breaking them going back on that was and generally treating the general public as fools and don't understand the details or implications of anything they vote for well finally the general public has said enough there's a clear cut decision not get on with it no excuses the immediate reaction of many politicians has predictably been to make excuses and blame everyone the media the public the older generation what has happened but now the government has a clear mandate to just justify the faith that people are placed and I'm not suffused with optimism but let's see what happens says Joe in Chizik Let's talk to Kate in Tufnell Paul Kelly Kate morning. The next. What is going to say I think Larry it was only forward saying about colonialism unless and until I heard this morning to her to know that I never voted to leave because of. Immigration I voted to leave because of Fisheries. And we have this we are surrounded by water yeah and to think that Europe take billions of pounds from waters and we can't do anything about it peeves me and so that's why I voted to leave because I don't see our fisheries back because I'm hoping that all around our coastline the work we will do business will grow I'm Jeremy Corbin the Labor Party never mentioned the fisheries once in anything they do it's because they don't think outside the m 25 and that that's the way I feel about Good to talk to the Tories mentioned officially. At the edge of a large fish to me that's true he said he doesn't mention the fish he was there with the fish you are quite right so how dare me call him a photograph of the fish with that of which you know no because I don't I don't agree with the policies it was too radical to run you know I mean Jeremy Corbyn he's my baby. And you know like he got 39000 votes to die and I and I don't think that's a very healthy healthy active. Healthy way to be and can I just say something about. The n.h.s. Yeah and I does Finck. Looking after the older people I mean the Sres should all be attached to to school with 9th of hospitals shouldn't be separated so you have. All attached it's not farmed out you know I mean yes you know nursery where people take their children should be attached to the school so everything is one place so people I'm going to go running around catching the bus to help people out how to spend 5 minutes with. One Roof but nobody's ever going to take that well it's and it doesn't sell a bad idea doesn't doesn't sound like a bad idea from where I'm sitting at me tell you I would rather people thing sounds very base and eminently sensible almost too much common sense there are we allowed common sense at this stage of the game I'm not sure it's Lovise do it u.k. Thank you very much indeed Jason Solomons is sitting in for Robert today you know a good deal I was I was grill him about the films every time he comes in even if I'm not meant to be and I definitely will do that now what should we be going to see every Xmas period are there any films that we really ought not to miss blah blah although I'm going to ask him. Because I don't let him get away on a last time I say all of that coming up after after this trial radio still this far too much when I became commissioner Centonze time since my number one priority as it's affecting our young people on the 1st of the day the Met police commissioner talking to me earlier this year so what message do you for our police chief regarding noise Croyde our day to day security this Monday should be with me on Dr Joy I'm taking your questions. On this Monday there will be a new government in charge so how will that work for them we've had significant reductions in budget 70 years that has made on Job huge police commissioner President Dick with me any less store all serene to London this Monday time from 5 p.c. Up to so I could ask Jason about the political landscape I brought much rather ask him about Phil I scape in your darkened room to listen to exactly always specially as with the Xmas period upon us we might well be thinking into sin Martin if we didn't go all the time and so I'm just wondering Could I start with the word. They call the Christmas turkey you know and I mean last Christmas which which people more and more people I met have seen quite a lot of the tree it's still going what happened then when you want to people said it was Red No I was I went and I think with one of your production team Missy Yes and I saw her afterwards and I said she said Oh my God it was that terrible You could see it you know it's all intensive purposes it's pretty terrible Yes but it's a Christmas movie doesn't want to be any better than it is nice it isn't perfect really but I mean some films are terrible but you can enjoy this and they somehow you can kind of pretend they're not terrible some you you know some are not terrible this is this is terribly terribly This is a terrible as it needs to be because you see my other producer my radio 2 went to see it and he said he got the twist within the 1st 2 minutes he thought Emma Thompson was absolutely baseless and Croatia should be doing to him was and the person he was with who he was with said to him Oh my God what an earth today Mathilde's and play that role for and my producer David said said Well not if you play the role she wrote the film she wrote the whole thing it was going to be a terrible blot on her career and she'd never recover from the stain it used to I mean it's the biggest hits he's ever had so what is happening there then well I think it's very clever I think it knows what it's directed by Paul Feig as well and he knows what he's doing there's a sort of charm to eat that is sickly in the way that Christmas is it's and it's completely unbelievable but if you but if you were giving for say for example Love Actually Marks out of 10 how many monks would you well I think that she's pretty well written I know exactly so sick about this I'm saying all right so you think it's quite well written and you quote you rate it quite Yes I said What would you give that out of 10 Love Actually yes that's probably a 7 out of 10 k. So watch this one last Christmas it's probably a 6 and a half you know it's really not was but he doesn't want to say because it's so because I haven't been here because I was just put off by I think it was absolute felines that do what they set out to do just should be lauded for it they did 8 it doesn't aim so hype it's quite difficult to charge people and it's doing it it will put a lot of people off and. Yeah but it seemed to. Like I thought. I couldn't believe they were going there with this twist that everyone's talking about I. Don't face kind of money to see that film I just don't want to but I'm probably wrong I probably sit next year or something and think I would you know your daughter's age enjoys it was the best of ever say your kidding I think I would like to have my highlight your hair he had to fight with education for those girls I think wouldn't take it apart. Though it's like being bloated Quality Street when you don't need them knowing that you're going to be before I know because everyone says so what else and if we don't want to see now I got a double header tomorrow night which I don't know if I'm looking for 2 at all I know which one I'm going to ask about before you tell Go on little women oh I love to live is that wonderful That's what that's I would love to see that was but my recommendation Ross cried I cry you cry did I do I don't know me like I'm bit like you know Donald Sutherland Mr Bennett Yes you're right you're very much as I sort of tolerate these twittering films as they go along and think there were 2 I thought I was going to like this too but I thought it was true how do you read it well I mean I've never you say I know I when I sent my heart I read it yeah I mean it's you know I don't know I read it and read it and read and I thought you know the film is so it's. Almost want to read the riffing and I liked what they were all great and I thought Florence pretty was terrific I think cicerone is just she runs with young Meryl Streep she can do no wrong I think she's tremendous that I imitate Charlemagne he's good he's good in it as are able fancy Yeah and Meryl Streep's in it and there were dozens trafficking that's a great film I suppose and great fun stories as well as girls boys who are in touch with certain elements of my boys who maybe should be in there not they just don't know what it is about breaking hearts and pulling in love and treating people wrong so yes because Laurie's is an interesting case about girls being able to do whatever they want to do oh yeah and she's I think not only dressed in a certain ways I have to go in a certain way I think she's a fantastic filmmaker as when her husband is know it well a lot of the married Noah Baumbach who's done marriage do it I've seen that at the moment which I like a lot as well I thought about that film was I thought it was absolutely excellent tremendously good in absolutely beautifully acted magnificently written tremendous . And I didn't enjoy a single frame because a popular not one law for that with the funny bit with the sister that is very very funny it's. Funny that no I don't think that's so funny that bit you think wasn't funny because they do funny so well yeah but I mean it's such a miserable hell of a film I thought that all the little is that it is slightly bizarre and absurd and funny all the way through in a play in a bin of funny how funny how it was yeah I do think it's very funny but in a horrible way makes you never want to get all this and you do it was mostly no it's funny incredibly good but if you want to have a good time in the cinema you know I thought I was going to tell you in the end I just did I suppose I'm not going to pay to see it but I do I wish I had a miserable well so I'm going to see you know I'm 64 and I'm doing a double header counts right and then Star Wars. I have to do professionally but Katz I am intrigued by this I do not know as it sounds are you in advance of having seen it that they have made I mean I know. Opossums because I thought it practically by heart and they're really very jolly and yes an extremely jolly book I have a Gumby cast in mind a name is Jenny any Don't you know have you seen the Lloyd when you see the Lloyd Webber musical which just sticks in the lame page song Memories which is nothing to do with the book and totally different tone and quite vulgar not to all appropriate but but is this still made it very miserable if that's what's happened I don't know why and as soon it no one seen it they kept it under the ram nothing sinister in the book it doesn't look that sinister celebration of. Cats. Either No Well I'm not that lady but it's it's it's you know it's quite jolly I'm wondering I mean you know what Taylor Swift caterwauling away you know if you sail was a cat Judi Dench is and to be a cabbage I have to. Tell you can last of all it's kind of animal like whatever form he was anything else so there's Star Wars Yes we're going to see it but the tree is little women I think I think it's fabulous I really enjoyed that with that would be it's your family Christmas outing. The daughter of the Amish human or whatever is 3 and a whole that's not a Christmas treat no. So there is another treat though it's I think it's tremendous film isn't it of a kind of a lot it's a hell of a long film and it's a meditation on aging and have you lived your life and how it might affect your skin and your bones say it's a deep deep Hill where there's not a ton of which there c.g.i. To look young and yes go but they did look old as well and young because they had all that and they committed evil so the it kind of plays on the face I think it's fascinating field it actually is one of the best if you know what putting in the time well you can do it on Netflix and sort of do in stages if you wish I went to the cinema and saw 3 half hour because you don't want to move in front of this I was fantastic here he is just very brilliant Ok or I cope better see that better of everything all right what's coming up an essential film so it's all realize that there really no point having you here not if you write well what is my point to get value for money for my listeners I've got listed love that's Ok license fee go ahead and I like that's what this is why the exact details of all about safe until early m.b.a. From setback and she's my niece did London I. Began with and quite of me to the idea banjos which is a Nigerian family comedy set in the pack and and then rage I lost out on everything and no it's a on Netflix it's a sitcom I did I just he's going to nothing yes. Yeah and then rage loss has him playing live ahead of his seasonal dates at Ronnie Scott's he will get the week off to a life swing in the studio I want to see Jason let's bring out unseen stains on the line Hi Antony What's the story after the election. Story labor think the roses think about William Blake take labor. Camp salute me yeah I'm normal about it Jeremy Colbert the momentum all in the night for a fungus fight to get rid of that military we're going to be quite cathartic process like chemical me a thing out moment the mountain go from party bring it right back the center got a massive rebranding process a new logo like mindless and you can go back to those. You can't go back can you go to go forward and to know what it will but then isn't that the whole issue of then suddenly called tell the 2 parties apart if you've been a bit too close to the center yeah then you've got this thing where there's not really any compare and contrast because pretty much the same in the same the same isn't it well they were combatants and it works in America really much you can put a piece of paper between the Dems and the g.o.p. Can you or most probably know. What's ahead of the Tories were born probably there for a good few years but the more comes the more what usually brings that satori down is usually scandalous hooted at. Big about that anymore do you know maybe married and who's not married and you know which affairs and who's got who's children who cares no one seems to care less about that we see the list goes on not receive. And nobody gives a member the whole blanket situation committee phase that was all very exciting at the time and if anybody would even ages that now do you probably not but if it's more financial scandal time off you know I'm thinking right ahead I don't know goodness knows where it is headed but I guess labor over to me don't need to bring the bring in the rebuilding process is rebranding admonished Oprah and. I would say I'm looking for doing an excellent I had a reply me x. 5 I want some sign because I can remember it at the corp and it's very old fashioned Very his creative. Logo would have been like sunflower but he sounds fine and. Very well it's a cultural today and same as. My love thank you talking to set me just read you this is things you said this morning talking about convalescent homes to me back to my childhood I'm a 60 years ago my dad dad had bowel cancer had a number of operations in the early sixty's I remember after his operation was said to convalescent him to recover and help build up his strength is the operations he's had was to be it was there for quite a few weeks just sounds like Clapton It used to be state him it was beautiful a tranquil environment all the patients that is from John thank you very much indeed for listening to the program this morning Jason coming up next have a lovely day I will see you bright and early tomorrow morning thanks to the team and lots of love bye bye. Yes thank you Vanessa. I've got my listed London uttering as I said Robert l. Detailed b.b.c. Ready London we've got the creator of Meet the Adam and judges and we've got Johnny . Will be telling us about the history of pantomime in London that's all with me Jason Solomons and I suited for all the elements here on a.b.c. Radio London on a Monday but now. It's time for the news. On this so Radio 94.9 f.m. On b.b.c. Sent us this season and. This is b.b.c. Radio. London's News at 10 I'm Matthew Schofield Labor's general secretary has set out a timetable for choosing the party's next leader following its heavy defeat in Thursday's election Jenny Formby is proposed the contest should start on the 7th of January with Jeremy Corbin successor in place by the end of March some in the party have called for a complete change in direction but the shadow transport secretary Andy McDonald says Labor's core values won't change Jeremy is stepping down but have a new leader and she or he will print their own narrative and we will get behind the person because well underpins our values is a commitment to social justice to a fairer more equal society and that hasn't changed as for Boris Johnson Hill welcome more than a 100 new Conservative M.P.'s to Westminster today as parliament prepares to get back to business following his emphatic victory M.P.'s will be sworn in from tomorrow then on Thursday the queen will set out the government's program for the coming year and then the Prime Minister's Breck's it led. Could return as soon as Friday the Supreme Court is due to start hearing a long running legal battle over whether the n.h.s. Should pay for a woman to have surrogate children in America after a London hospital failed to spot her cervical cancer the woman known only as x x was left infertile and the Washington Hospital n.h.s. Trust has admitted negligence but as the B.B.C.'s Andy Moore explains it says it shouldn't have to pay for the woman to have surrogate children in the u.s. The question here is whether she goes for surrogacy in the USA or here in the u.k. Very different systems so in California you pay for a surrogate but in return you get a legally binding contract here in the u.k. It's simply a voluntary agreement and you can only pay expenses now the woman wants to go to the USA because she says it will be more certain it will be better for her and for the children but the trust is saying they don't want to pay out of the public purse for a treatment that would actually be illegal here the water regulator has told water companies it wants household bills cut by an average of 50 pounds a year by 2025 It also says they must spend $51000000000.00 pounds on upgrades and improvements over the same period Tamara Ecclestone the daughter of the former Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone has reportedly lost all her jewelry in a burglary thieves are said to have broken into her home in one of London's wealthiest streets near Hyde Park after she left the country for Christmas with the B.B.C.'s Jon Donnison who's there says Scotland Yard has confirmed officers were called to reports of a burglary on Friday night they say they got a call just after 11 o'clock and they've said that an amount of high value jewelry was stolen they've not said who the house belongs to they've not said how much jewelry was stolen but the Sun newspaper has an exclusive it says on its front page tomorrow is 50000000 jewels gone in 50 minutes the Chinese governor. And says the Arsenal midfielder maser Turtill has been deceived by fake news after he use social media to criticize the reported mass incarceration of hundreds of thousands of we good Muslims it's invited him to visit the autonomous region of Sion Jang where it says as long as he has an open mind he will see China respects religious freedom with a gun as have distanced themselves from comments but yesterday Chinese state television dropped their game against Manchester City from it shuttles now Jill Brown has London's weather well a cloudy and overcast start the day today and that cloud is going to stay with us for the most part the aft in the we're also going to see some showers I think creeping in as we go through the day and some of those could be quite heavy so best to go out prepared if you can but temperatures should be up to night all tend to go .
Does of corruption and illicit position a foreign currency in a culture of course on Saturday as Bashir watched on silently from a missile defendant's cage The judge also ordered the confiscation of millions of euros in Sudanese pounds which were found in bushy is residence when he was toppled following months of protests in I put a defense lawyer said he would appeal the ruling that is Reuters in my McCarthy the United States and China say they've agreed on the 1st phase of a trade deal that will avert further tariffs u.s. President Donald Trump says he will it will allow him to cancel plans to impose new tariffs on $160000000000.00 worth of Chinese imports I mean complicated but that's what I do it's a phenomenal deal the tariffs will largely remain 25 percent and $250000000000.00 I will use them for future negotiations on the Phase 2 deal some Democratic lawmakers are criticizing the agreement saying China is not making any hard commitments to structural reform Chilean officials overseeing this year's u.n. Climate talks say they plan to propose a compromise to bridge differences that have been deadlocked that have deadlock the talks Karolina Schmidt is Chile's Environment Minister we have to work cheap and over all violence I repeat an overall violence outcome among all texts while ensuring ambition and a solution that will work for all with a meeting already in 2 extra time draft arguments presented overnight failed to achieve consensus David why ask over the World Resources Institute says the draft agreement is concerning it's really extremely weak it doesn't point in the direction of countries really taking walks years doing what's needed we say you know there are people on the streets we see the urgency from science but we're not seeing that reflected here negotiators are working towards a deal that will see countries commit to make new climate pledges by the end of 2020 for more news whenever you need it download to be away mobile app in Washington and juniper tell v.o.a. News. From Washington v.o.a. Invents issues in the news. And welcome to issues in the names on the panel this week know how to see foreign affairs correspondent for Politico Jay Jay Greene at national security correspondent for w t o p and has done Target USA and our moderator is Bob Raddatz White House reporter for West Wing reports and columnist for USA Today. Oh thank you for joining us and here are the issues history on Capitol Hill as President Trump faces impeachment and a Senate trial looms British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his conservative party win big in that country's election and fallout after the murder of 3 u.s. Navy sailors at a base in the state of Florida by a member of the Saudi Royal Air Force Well let's start with obviously what the big story is and that is this ongoing impeachment inquiry into President Trump now just a little bit of background for our a global listeners here 2 articles of impeachment are being debated by the House Judiciary Committee the next step will be for the full House all 435 members to vote after the committee votes so it's possible by this time next week perhaps that we could have for the 3rd time in American history the president of the United States actually impeached by the House and again with the Senate trial probably in January so very big and historic stakes here now and both of you have been watching this all week long now good to see you you've been watching this closely all week long your thoughts I would definitely historic definitely a situation where people know how this is going to and and. Yet there are questions ad being asked that have never really had to have been asked before right people know that the Democrats are in all likelihood going to have the numbers to impeach the president in the house and then the Senate which is run by the Republicans will not convict him the president will remain in office what's new is that he is running again for office and he is going to be the Republican nominee there's a possibility of another 5 years of President Trump so some of the questions that are being asked now is let's say if he does get impeached what he himself would view as a personal humiliation does this mean that he will regardless possibly even be impeached again if he continues to take actions do things that the Democrats find as an abuse of power I mean these are the types of questions that are coming up in previous cases for instance Bill Clinton he wasn't up for reelection there is a lot at stake and I think that regardless of what comes out of the impeachment process next year's election is going to be an even bigger deal than a normal similar reaction j.j. You've been watching this all week to what do you think you know as a whole pointed out this is a momentous time in our you know history and not just because of this impeachment situation but because of the actions that are taking place by the people involved in the impeachment there are situations where people are going at each other frontally with insults and there's this whole business when you watch the impeachment on t.v. Of the Democrats and Republicans they seem to be just a few a few moves away from attacking each other physically I mean it's gotten to the point where international officials diplomats watching this are stunned this is the new version this is the latest version of impeachment the other thing in the whole pointed out is what happens if the president continues forward as he plans to and this continues to play out I was talking with the Democrat in a Republican earlier in the week who are both friends both of them have congressional law enforcement military creds and they. A they talked about the fact that they're really scared that where we're going right now may lead to violence at some point you know it's interesting that one think that no Whole You mentioned how he could possibly be impeached again and the reason for that of course is that evidence will continue to come out and it's interesting if you go back and look at what happened to President Nixon back in 1974 of course he resigned before he could actually be impeached but he clearly would have been had he stuck it out but the House Judiciary Committee was looking at these articles concerning Nixon but the one big thing the so-called smoking gun transcript that showed Nixon was clearly involved in the Watergate cover up that actually came out after these articles of impeachment were introduced against Nixon it's entirely possible that to your point that stuff is going to continue to come out against Trump even after these 2 impeachment articles with him against him had been dealt with and let's not forget that you know the day of this phone call between President Trump and people is America Zelinsky the president of Ukraine this phone call that his transcript appears so damning to the president in terms of that him demanding or asking for an investigation of the Bidens that was the day after Robert Mueller testified before Congress and so Bob Mueller goes out there says these things he didn't do it the way the Democrats wanted but this was fresh in everyone's mind the idea that the president and Russia may have had some relationship that sort of thing it was there and yet the president felt like he could take this action with Ukraine that is now gotten him in such hot trouble so the question is that if he is not removed from office will he also feel emboldened and his people you know the campaign people the time campaign people say that impeachment is a major driver for their base so in a way they're going to capitalize on this to get their voters out well they've been raising a ton of money off it no question he's fundraising emails but when people say that yes to. Huge boost to the truck based implication is that it's not boosting the other side either and if you look at sort of recent elections in Kentucky and Virginia and Louisiana so forth there are signs that it's actually firing up on the Democratic base too isn't it that's right in the hall I love the fact that you pointed out how this is firing up the base and Paul you are the master of history bringing back that piece about presidential history I should say bringing back that piece about the Watergate era and it is absolutely pertinent right now today because the crack in America's political infrastructure started in 2015 it was a small crack and it has continued to crack it's just like a crack in a windshield if you don't get it fixed eventually it's going to spider out over the whole windshield in your car and what's happened now in this country there are those here in the country and those are brought especially Russia China Iran other places that know that there is this fissure in the United States and as we press closer to elections they're going to do everything they can using all of their tools descend from ation misinformation whatever you want to call it to try to divide the 2 apart and make this about what America isn't about and that is all of the differences that's what everybody that's trying to work against us abroad are hoping for to drive the nation apart and it's it's on full display right now to exploit these divisions even Absolutely and just imagine if the race is close in November and the president quote unquote loses do you think he'll accept that result so here's the question it's really interesting to me what happens if the base or the people who are so fervent about this process don't accept the result you know I mean this Democrat and Republican I was talking about said we really do fear violence if people don't accept what the outcome is and how will we get to an outcome you know if it's close will there be you know recounts and accepting recounts and hanging chads and I reckon anything will. The bases of these $22.00 sides both sides actually except we made an interesting point about sort of what the Russians and others are doing particularly the Russians and that is it's not so much that you know they were necessarily pro Trumper anti Trump you can make kind of an argument sort of both ways but the one thing that they clearly wanted to do which was what you just said was exploit these existing divisions and I'll layer on top of that what they really wanted to do rather than support or oppose any particular candidate I think was to make Americans doubt their own system to have less faith in our electoral process in other words to through their own thoughts undermine these pillars of American democracy is that a reasonable That's more than reasonable that is spot on frankly the idea that the Russians and those who agree with them have harped on and fact they've pushed this idea forward is that there is no such thing as truth truth is what I say it is it's an Orwellian kind of society that they've been trying to push here in the us they've been doing it for decades in Russia and in Europe and European allies have been dealing with this for many years but what they've actually done is found a way to slither into the u.s. Political system and insert that doubt and unfortunately because of social media and other mainstream media failures many Americans have been on it and they won't let go do you remember the so get smart I do remember how 99. And Maxwell Smart remember how it's basically a fight between the American agency control and I guess is the Soviet right this is the yes yes it was no pressure because what does Vladimir Putin want he wants chaos you know and that's what they want in America or if they've got it that's interesting she's talking the house talking about that such a good point there is a television program here in America in the 1960 s. Right during the height of the Cold War between the United States and the Soviets never was a comedy but a comedy. It's very funny I love it you know well it's not funny now and I think j.j. And the Hall of clearly made that point to me that's the interesting and scary thing as we look at sort of the you know the election you know are voting systems secure and can they be hacked and who would exploit that these are all questions that you know delicious questions for the Russians and they're not and they're not at all resolved or answered yet so which is why Trump what's the phrase you said Trump is kind of a slivered Well I didn't see he did but I saw Russians have the Russians did but you know there are those who do say that but I didn't say that So what what the president is doing though he is latching on to this kind of truth is what you make of what facts are what you make of it already has their alternative you know these things I think undermined democracy in kind of a broad way to don't think that I have a nephew and a little in the east and honestly I worry about how they are going to consume information in the future I worry about how they're going to deal with the world where disenfranchisement and misinformation on the norm it's very alarming to me as of her son you know and yeah I just think anyone if you believe in democracy if you want control over this chaos in the world you have to worry about the way that governments and these agents and politicians present information and I'm all about trying to figure out a way to help my nephew needs navigate this in a future that's interesting and on top of that kind of delving off another area here you've got things like fake videos that are really getting quite sophisticated you can also present the differing versions of the truth as well and you kind of get this foreboding sense that that 2020 we're going to see a bunch of that stuff all of a sudden inserted into the political mainstream mistress my fear it's mind blowing when you think about it and the whole you again nailed another big point is what are the younger people going to make of all of this and you ask about this question about the way forward and what I have found. To my delight and surprise is that there's a group of people journalists that are out there that are pretty small right now but they are working very hard to counteract this whole idea that the only way you can learn is through social or digital media they're promoting face to face contacts and they're trying to do that in schools the trying to do that with organizations communities you know there are people here in the States people in other countries it's a very small group of people but that is what they see is the is the idea all right we're going to talk about this no doubt for probably the rest of your Wells calls for short break more issues in the news in just a moment issues in the news is coming to you from the Voice of America in Washington if you would like to download the program it's free on i Tunes Just click on the i Tunes tab on our website at to be away News dot com While you're there check out our other programs Press Conference USA and encounter also visit us on Facebook and you leave a comment or 2 then like this at current affairs with Carol Castillo Now back to work and you know hall to see foreign affairs correspondent for Politico j.j. Greene a national security correspondent for w t o p and hence to Target USA and our moderator Paul Brandis White House reporter for West Wing reports and columnist for USA Today. Welcome back Prime Minister Boris Johnson bet big in Great Britain's an election and that bet appears to have paid off his conservative party the Tories has won a big victory the question what does this mean for breakfast at the planned to leave the European Union plus some other things we'll get to the whole you 1st I think it's safe to predict that brags that is going to happen I believe January 31st is the date for us Johnson won enough numbers that he'll probably be able to get his brags to deal with the European Union through the parliament now look anything is possible I mean this is Britain and you know. I thought brags that was going to happen in the 1st place but you know so it looks like he's got an easier path and then once that happens then he will try to simultaneously strike a deal with the u.s. On trade and deal with the e.u. On trade playing each other off and interestingly I think President Trump might view Boris this victory as a good sign for himself in 2020 that's was going to ask him could it signal anything about the American election I mean Johnson this whole trend of de globalization which Trump is obviously was a visible example of that Boris Johnson as well every country on its own is that kind of say anything about him and I might want to disagree tad bit about that I agree on the premises that there's total chaos there and they know they have to do something but I think the observing what took place in the u.k. This is their 3rd go around I think this is their 3rd prime minister corrected his crime and then 3 years in a short period of time because they did Cameron and right recently because of that analogy that you mentioned earlier and I love that I'm going to bring it back to control versus chaos thing you know Britain is right there in it's in the heart of Russian dirty money and Russian this information and there oligarchy there who own soccer teams and people connected to the Russian to the Kremlin to the whole problem here in the u.s. That might present a glimmer of hope with this electorate here is very different the issues here are very different and I do think though what we're facing right now is very different from what Britain is facing if only because of the characters There are involved here you've got the president then you've got the Democrats then you've got the Republicans and then you've got the American people many of whom are deadlocked and many of whom are have locked onto their candidates and are not budging on anything the other really cool thing about this Boris Johnson Trump thing the president avoided him at the NATO summit and I'm not sure that it's going to be a slam dunk for him to try to do or to work on a trade deal with the u.s. Because of what took place and you might remember that whole. Mike Cronin Justin Trudeau little thing that took place at the cocktail party where they were snickering about the president will Boris Johnson was in that too so we have to remember that look this was a very calculated thing on forests and chomps part they intentionally avoided one another last few weeks why because Trump is so unpopular in Britain that Boris once worried that it was her it would hurt him at the polls a couple of things we have to bear in mind Boris himself is not really that well liked but you know he's kind of the best they could do with the conservatives at the time but he was running against a guy who was even more disliked more jammy Harben the socialist leader of the Labor party who has been his face numerous accusations of anti semitism and other types of things and a lot of the people have bolted labor not because they like Boris but because they hate Jeremy Corbyn And I think look at he's a lesser of 2 evils well in their mind and I think people people are trying to make this analogy they're saying oh this is like a sign that the Democrats left this message is not going to play well in 20 twentieth's cetera et cetera I think the bigger lesson is you need to put up a candidate the voters will like more than the other guy and that's arguably the reason the Trump won in the 1st place is that people disliked Hillary Clinton was conscious so you know them cats need to this idea of electability among Democrats I think that's something often people with a why would people worry about that electability a you know it only gives advantage to the white male etc etc But look I think after last night you have to think maybe electability is something people need to consider if they want to get Trump out of office it's interesting let me read both of you here something that I read and British press this morning here's a key point about Johnson I read it you to react to this no longer Boris Johnson be forced to pander to the extremes of his party the hardcore direction hers of the European Research Group on the right and the soft core remainders toward the center nor will he be in hock to the hardliners in Northern Ireland that kind of thing this would be now quite. Very strong prime minister who's going to get his way that's what they appear to be saying that's right and one of the interesting things about Boris's efforts in recent weeks is that he unlike Trump who you know often just wants to burnish his base and strengthen his base force has tried to reach across the so-called aisle and he has made moves and said things for instance he doesn't want to pursue these harsh austerity programs he is not trying to destroy the National Health Service you know those sorts of things and so he's trying to appeal to a broader segment and that's a sign of someone who now the numbers he's won he's probably going to feel more comfortable governing that way as well because he doesn't have to pander to the people who seats he needs to keep him in power because now there's just so many more seats that he has another thing is people often compare Boris and Trump and you know it's funny I use the word for aspects really how he's known his last name is Johnson and they say oh they're so similar and Trump himself has said oh he's the Briton Trump but you know beyond like the hair and the occasional populist outreach and the frankly slipperiness with the truth there's big differences between the British prime minister and the u.s. President I mean Boris Johnson comes from the British elite he went to Eton he went to Oxford he is very much kind of a stablish meant guy for the most part he believes in the Paris climate and he wants to stay in there on nuclear deal and so it's important to remember that the analogy only goes so far it's interesting and when he was the mayor of London he was regarded as a left wing kind of a mere 2 Well I mean London's a very diverse city and when he was mayor of London he also said that Trump was unfit to serve as president but he was clearly out of his mind and number of other insulting things to President Trump Well let's move on here in the United States the Pentagon has suspended operational training for all Saudi military students here indefinitely halting flight instruction firing range training and all other operations outside of the classroom this of course in the wake of a shooting in. Days at a Navy base in Florida that left 3 Americans dead and the killer was a member of the Saudi Royal Air Force j.j. How much damage to these ties between Washington and Riyadh how much damage has been done there are 2 levels looking at the military side of this a lot looking at the political side not much visibly but when you look at the military problem here you have 3 members of the u.s. Military that have been killed by an individual who now we found out within the last day or so who perhaps had been radicalized years before he came to the United States but then there was the scenario that unfolded on this base where he supposedly had dinner parties where you know videos of mass shootings were shown and some of the people who viewed them were his fellow Saudi airmen but people who were also on this base for training as well and there were those who knew about it apparently some who watched another who videotaped so what this says to the u.s. Military from my view is that we really do have to look very carefully at this relationship and how we handle this with these people not just from Saudi Arabia but from everywhere it also possibly was triggered by an insult you know in the classroom by an instructor who was a contractor working for the military supposedly But then there was the background of it so the u.s. Military recognizes that there are threats there are risks not just abroad but here at home and they have to be even more careful about how they vet people and engage with them here on home soil as well and the whole you know when you think about it and go back in time I seem to recall that the September 11th 2001 attacks of the 19 hijackers 15 of them were Saudis So the question is why are they considered an American ally that is a big question but honestly it comes down to differing between the Saudi people and the Saudi government and the u.s. Government has long done not the Saudi government has been an ally. I have the u.s. Against communism and against Iran and so the idea being that you cannot hold the Saudi government responsible for the actions of individuals that it doesn't necessarily control and that they offer so much on counterterrorism intelligence cooperation and I should add they buy a lot of American weapons billions and billions and billions of dollars of American weapons and so that's also a factor in the u.s. Relationship with the Saudis so it's also true Jay-Jay that they've spent an awful lot of money very quietly over the years funneling things like you know what Islam and so forth that's all true as well yeah and that's one of the things that a lot of people have been looking at for years which is why part of this has a political bent to it too because what hobby ism is it's a very narrow view of I guess a religious ideology and it's not very positive towards others outside of the thinking process of what hubby is but you know they do and they have been injecting money into schools and organizations in the u.s. That have fostered that ideology and there are those that believe that people like this airman may have been victim to some of that negative thinking about the u.s. And others that led to the situation but look the bottom line on this is what took place was something a personal decision that this individual made he made that decision the others who may be involved with him made that decision the thing that investigators are now trying to figure out is are there others who thought like him and are they out there now they know they took several trips one of which was to New York and again you mention the 15 Saudis that were involved in 911 that brings back memories to people of the Hamburg cell who work here in Germany and other places just kind of quietly doing their thing this is the problem that the military and the intelligence community is wrestling with now are there others who think like this person who pulled that trigger but you know on the other side of this when people say look that they do support having these kinds of relationships training the Saudis is that when you expose these Saudi soldiers to America probably most of them might end up liking it and that it could foster pro-American. And feelings so that's worth considering as well it's a good day definitely a good thing to expose them to it we'll have to end it right there thanks to 2 of Washington's most prominent journalists not hard to see of Politico also Jay Jay Greene He's national correspondent for w t o p and host of Target USA This program was produced by Kim Lewis our engineer Justin's Thwaites and Ron Paul Brandis of West Wing reports and USA Today thanks for joining us. From v.o.a. Press Conference USA here's your host Carol Kashmir. Welcome to Press Conference USA on The Voice of America joining me on the program are v.o.a. Turkish reporter bag and air sauce and Nova poor Wadi senior t.v. Producer with v.o.a. As Indonesian Service our special guest on this edition of the program is Thomas Carruthers senior vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and coeditor of the recently published book Democracy's divided the global challenge of political polarization Thomas Caruthers is a leading authority on international support for democracy human rights governance and civil society he has worked on democracy projects for many organizations and has carried out extensive field research on aid efforts around the world in his recent book Democracy's divided the global challenge of political polarization Caruthers and coeditor. Andrew O'Donoghue asserted that polarization is tearing at the seams of democracies around the world from Brazil and India to Poland and Turkey it isn't just an American illness it's a global one in their book they say that new and old democracies alike are confronting an array of internal and external challenges from the crumbling of public support for long established political parties and the swelling popularity of illiberal politicians to the growing assertiveness and influence of authoritarian powers and ideas across borders they assert that political polarization manifested in increasingly harsh divides between opposing political camps and diminishing shared political ground is a crucial part of this troubling picture the book provides 9 case studies of polarization with a special focus on the phenomenon of severe polarization this is a process whereby the normal multiplicity of differences in the society increasingly aligned along a single dimension cross-cutting differences become reinforcing and people increasingly perceive and describe politics and society in terms of an OS versus them the 9 countries studied in the book are Bangladesh Brazil Colombia India Indonesia Kenya Poland Turkey and the United States and Thomas Carruthers joins us here at the v.o.a. Broadcast Center in Washington to discuss the findings in his recent pathbreaking book Thomas Carruthers Welcome to the program great to be here and I'm delighted to welcome my colleagues v.o.a. Turkish reporter begin air sos and Nova our senior t.v. Producer with the always Indonesian Service thank you well Thomas Carruthers 1st of all congratulations on this important book how did we go from relative optimism regarding the spread of democracy implore alyssum around the world in the 1980 s. In the 1990 s. Not to mention the Arab Spring in 2011 to increasing polarization around the globe what are specific factors driving this trend. A lot of Democracies got off to an exciting start in the 1980 s. And 1990 s. Authoritarianism seemed to be on the decline everywhere dictators were following it up in the newspaper every day and yet another dictator had fallen and citizens around the world were thrilled with the chance to have a voice but what happened is in many democracies conflicting visions of what the society should be a rose and they didn't have very much experience in dealing with really 2 different visions of the society 2 different ideas about what the country could be and should be and this began to build into political life fairly serious divides so in India after decades of you know a secular pluralist conception of what India should be as a democracy under the Congress party some people began pushing saying can do nationalism should have a greater voice in the society we have a different vision of India and so you see a democracy that begin to pull itself and say well there's 2 different ideas about what this country should be so a lot of openings but then a lot of them turning into fairly deep debates that are hard to reconcile and Thomas your book focuses on cases of what you classify as severe polarization as opposed to lesser those still harmful polarization when do legitimate political differences give way to severe polarization when there is very little if any common ground that's precisely what you have a size there Carol about lack of common ground some polarization is normal it's healthy and democracy citizens should have a choice between very different alternatives but when you have some of the following characteristics you often have a problem as you say very little common ground between or among the parties high level of negativity between them a sense of this is blood politics I don't just disagree with you I hate you I really disagree fundamentally that this process is sustained over time it isn't just a moment it becomes a way of life in the country and that this isn't just a game of the elites who are fighting their normal political battles this infiltrates down into the society and you find it you know. At the dinner table and within families you find it in communities you find it everywhere in the society becomes politicized in ways over this divide like in Thailand people talk about red shirts and yellow shirts and every type of citizen in a sense had to make a choice and my Richard or my yellow shirt so politics becomes an identity game rather than just a normal choice of conflicting policies or that reminds me of maybe what's going on in Turkey so for that I'd like to turn to my colleague big ersatz for a question thank you for doing this president are do one is known to have benefited from the political polarization in Turkey the UK Party for instance run on security issues and also nationalism issues during the local elections particularly in Istanbul but it was the opposition candidates that were able to win the big cities in Turkey in the recent local elections so could this be seen as an indication that Turkish people have been longing for a more unifying tone in Turkish politics or is it too early to say that well divisiveness sometimes animates a society and its early phase people feel stirred up by the sense of us versus them and they feel I want to be on the side now I'm on that side but over time divisiveness is tiring is the constant friction you know sort of begin to think politicians all they're doing is fighting all the time I don't want to have to make a choice I don't want my dinner party upset because a guest happens to be on the other side and societies that have a tradition of tolerance and pluralism which I would say Turkey does in a broader historical sense can become tired of divisive politics new coalitions will form and say you know all of us on this one side we don't want the politics of division or politics of anger we want something different so it could be in Turkey that part of what we see is a fatigue with politics of division and the really intensive battles of the last 15 years in Turkish politics between different political actors and different political institutions now to a different part of the world in Tunisia and turning to my colleague Nova poor Wadi for a question. A lot of these divisions have long roots decades back sometimes but perhaps the role of social media including Facebook and countries like Indonesia or whatsapp is exacerbating it I don't know whether you're familiar with Forbidden Planet Sayf I am movie where a civilization and advanced civilization is basically destroyed because technology is allowing it to express that space or Nature is how much of that is going on it's definitely a factor and I'm glad you pointed out Nova because in many societies the 1st wave of electronic communication both television and radio was very unifying in the United States people around the country used to have regional accents but people began losing their accents watching national television national television brought the country together in many ways when you had a transition to the fractionalization the fragmentation of media into social media where there's just a 1000000 different outlets a 1000000 different choices people have all these different voices being empowered which can be a good thing in many ways it breaks apart that consensus building function of media and allows people to break into smaller groups and often more extreme groups and to that I think you probably have the experience all of us have you go to the comment section in a newspaper and you to see this unleashing of of anger often in hostility you know where does this come from where's all this anger in this society what is it about being able to post a comment anonymously trigger such expressions people don't write and say hey that's a thoughtful idea looking I have a slightly different view instead it's you idiot you know if you had thought of this in so anonymity fractionalization or characteristics of the new way of media development that unfortunately is fueling this trend so Thomas you say that when polarization reaches a certain degree of intensity it can corrode democratic systems where do you see this happening unfortunately there are a lot of examples a couple of key institutions and societies that keep politicians in check are you. Dependent legal institutions and independent election administration those are 2 key things that politicians have to obey the rule of law and a judge can say sorry you just can't do that or an election ministration says I'm afraid you lost the selection no if ands or buts about it then at least you have some guardrails and so polarizers tend to attack those institutions so in Bangladesh for example between the 2 different sides you had an increasing number of attacks on election ministration the country whichever side was in power began to try to put its people into place to run the election ministration to corrupt the process or you see in Poland very polarized democracy government in power is trying to undermine the independence of the judiciary packed the courts with its own people undercut the basic statues that stand for independence of judiciary so degradation of institutions is a characteristic feature of highly polarized countries how would you characterize for example the u.k. Especially given the brags that issue the United Kingdom is having a polarizing moment and it's serious u.k. Citizens in a sense having been asked a basic identity question back in 2016 what do you want this country to be part of Europe or separate from Europe that wasn't just a do you want a tax policy that has a 12 percent tax rate or a 15 percent or a pensions policy is that this is a fundamental choice about the identity of this country when you present a country a society with such a choice that's a very divisive thing to do if you have an underlying division in the society which the United Kingdom did about this and so people have gravitated to the 2 sides dug in on each side at least hardliners on each side and drag the center sort of towards each side saying You must make a choice sorry it's you were either in or out there's no middle ground here and so it's a very polarizing choice to have to make but I think it's a polarizing episode for United Kingdom but that's not the same as decades of a polarizing politics that really create 2 groups that over time really grow to hate. Each other so it's polarizing moment but we'll see and I'm optimistic but I think you could come through this without sinking into a longer term pattern of polarization How would you characterize India it seems to me that that's an example of identity politics coming to the fore and I had an experience recently when I was in New York City for the un General Assembly I saw a perfect display of political ethnic and religious polarization in that country over the question of Kashmir because as you know Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ruling b j p government which is spouses a form of Hindu nationalism unilaterally decided to revoke Kashmir's autonomy causing great consternation among the predominantly Muslim Kashmiris so on 2nd Avenue I see the 2 camps you know railing against each other with posters you know bloodcurdling pictures on either side condemning each other one of course the Indians you know blaming the Kashmiris for somehow providing haven for Pakistan and then the other side saying why have we been unilaterally and act so to speak before a proper process how do you characterize India at this moment you know India has a tremendous tradition of tolerance and pluralism I mean there is no more diverse country in Tunisia is close but there is no more diverse country in the world than India languages religions ethnicities castes regions it's an amazing kaleidoscope of diversity and it managed for decades to have a democracy that that embodied pluralism and tolerance but unfortunately there were thinkers writers activists and ordinary citizens who began to feel like wait a minute we have a different vision of India we feel that this is a this is a country should be rooted in Hindu traditions and should be you know Hindu nationalism should play a significant role in this country that it hasn't been and that Indians need to make a choice you know they share this vision of India which emphasizes this over that secular vision or not and so again like bricks and you're presenting the country with an identity choice and saying are you this or are you that and if you're not. Part of the Hindu Nationalist Movement you're a Muslim or you're another Indian who just doesn't happen to share the view you're faced with a very fundamental choice where you're an other you're no longer part of your You've been other to in a sense and once politics gets into an in-group and an outgroup in a significant way the group begins to feel de legitimised and then you have the angry people standing on either side of the street shouting at each other so Indian politics has gone down the road of a more fundamental identity choice for the country in the 21st century and it's I'm not sure whether it's going to be able to resolve this this new tension within the society and in any time soon or in a peaceful fashion Well I find it unfortunate to see the undermining of a very important concept pluralism whether in India whether in Turkey or even in Indonesia with the rise of Islamist sentiment and here in the United States but we'll have more in just a moment 1st you're listening to Press Conference USA on The Voice of America our guest is Thomas Carruthers He's senior vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and coeditor of the recently published book Democracy's divided the global challenge of political polarization I'm Carol Castiel And joining me on the program r.v.o. a Turkish reporter beggin air sauce and Nova He's senior t.v. Producer with v.o.a. Zz Indonesian Service this is a reminder that our p.c. USA podcast is available on our website at the News dot com slash p.c. USA and a new v.o.a. English app for both Android and Apple devices has been developed and we encourage you to download and use them you may also follow us on Twitter or connect with us on Facebook at Carol cast e.l.v. Away well here's a big shout out to Isa jamu from Nigeria if you want to hear your name on the air please send an email to p.c. USA at v.o.a. News dot com or like us and leave a comment on our Facebook page before I turn to beg you for a question since we did a shout out to a listener in Nigeria. How does Nigeria fit into this picture where Nigeria like India is a country of tremendous diversity but it does have a major division both a religious division and a regional division between the north and more southern parts of the country which threatens to create politics that are deeply and angrily divided now Nigeria in its democratic phases has tried to follow a kind of a power sharing approach president must be from the north next time President must be from the south sort of sense of alternation of power and other mechanisms to try to ensure that the country isn't a winner take all kind of political situation also federalism that he concentrates or decentralized to some power to regions and so there are important political structures that can try to alleviate the tendency towards polarization now it's there in Nigeria and some people feel that it's you know underneath the surface could come to the surface but Nigeria has avoided the worst effects of really corrosive polarization thank you for another question there are 2 pressing issues in Turkey right now one of them is the Syrian refugee problem and the other one is the economic downturn so to ordinary all observers like us it seems that Turkish people seem to share more or less the similar views on those 2 issues so what can you tell us when you look into to what extent those 2 problems might bridge the divide might bridge the gap among the Turkish population what tends to happen when you have a political context which is very divided in the political actors are really lined up on one side or the other when an issue comes along that seems like it might be a bridge and say Gee most people in this country actually agree on this one side or the other will usually try to use it for its own purpose and say we own this issue this is us and so I think the recent turn of the government you know against the Syrian refugees in a way to say enough is enough these people need to go back to their country or somewhere else is an attempt by the government to get out ahead of this curve in a way and say they feel public sentiment has gone a certain way they. Want to say this is our issue we on this we stand for this I don't know whether they're doing in this particular case but what would be typical in a polarized situation they would accuse the other side of saying you have the opposite policy we see this over the in the debates over immigration the United States in which they become characterized in rather extreme terms of closed borders versus open borders most Americans want a nice compromise in the middle but political actors sometimes line up on either side I'd like to turn to our Indonesian colleague Nova par Watty for another comment or question in Indonesia it seems the somewhat entrenched approach to dealing or diffusing with polarization is avoidance just don't bring up the subject and so it would pull the rice and a modern sort of expression of fat seems there's been the ability of the government to technologically disrupt modes of communication and they've been doing that a lot recently during recent riots and such do you see that as an effective means at least in the short term but then maybe in the long term it actually fuels further distress and further point is a ship I mean I sometimes think of Indonesia and its politics is like a large very complicated family that has all different branches of the family with different views than maybe some different ethnicities mixed in and they get together every so often and have to be very careful what they talk about so they talk about the weather because to difficult to talk about other things Indonesian politics has had a great tradition since 1908 the return to democracy of tolerance and consensus building and playing to the center trying to be inclusive but you've seen sort of new waves of polarizing sentiments coming into the country in recent years we saw it in the 2014 elections 2017 elections in the most recent 21000 elections where people instead begin to talk about not just hatred and anger which is different for Indonesia but also an alternative vision Indonesia should be you know a different kind of country than it is we don't want to secular and sort of pluralist Indonesia we think continues should be truer to. It's Islamic roots in these ways and again here you see the articulation of a different vision for the country and so sometimes faced with polarizing pressures the government does need to find ways or a society needs to find ways to kind of quiet things down decrease the tension alleviate the pressure a little bit and so it can be that shutting off certain media channels might be an approach but that's a dangerous road to go on because usually if the pressures are there and you shut off their ability to express themselves they're not going to go away they'll come back in more extreme form so I'm cautious about efforts that would be reducing freedom of expression for the sake of reducing divisions Thomas now I'd like to turn to the United States you say that the United States is in the grips of severe polarization How would you characterize the roots of this phenomenon and what are the manifestations of it Carol and on how much time we have a feeling that's not enough time to give an adequate answer to that question but I would say that our society the American society has been through episodes of polarization in its history we had a civil war we had a time in the Great Depression when there were really strongly different views about how to respond to that recession the new deal versus those who didn't like the New Deal in the 1960 s. We had a lot of social change in this country civil rights movement anti Vietnam War demonstration a new women's rights movement that emerged and some people wanted to go with those changes in the 1960 s. And had a vision of a sort of progressive change some people didn't feel comfortable with them and wanted a more traditional society and resisted those and put forward an alternative conservative view both views progressive a conservative are obviously perfectly legitimate but they haven't gotten along very well and I need to side activists who said no our vision of America is the true vision we're the Patriots were the ones who really care about American values people on the other side don't and there's been a Fortunately a process of turning the other side not just into opponents but the enemy people whose legitimacy I don't accept that when they elect a president to accept the legitimacy of the president so we're in a polarizing moment right now and we feel it in the day to day life here in Washington but it's part of a for. A few year process in which our politics have really been dominated by the deeper debate between these 2 visions of the country many in the society would like to compromise there are many people in the middle who says Can't we come to agreement on middle ground options but activists and politicians on either end have said no we need our true vision we need we need something that's really pure you there this vision or that vision and have brought that into the system and pushed our society into this polarizing time and as you know the or what he said earlier social media and even network media the news media whether it's Fox on the more conservative vendor others they are like echo chambers and they're amplifying these extreme voices Yes I mean in the 1960 s. And seventy's the dominance in the United States media of the 3 television stations a.b.c. C.b.s. N.b.c. Created a kind of a common ground in terms of information space it began to break apart in the 1980 s. With the privatization of media the talk radio emerged which was very divisive private cable channels privatization of a number of other features of the of the electronic media scene and that created the ability to project a media vision based on a political vision which was something people used to turn on their television thinking they were getting something called the truth of the news now they turn it on to reinforce their feelings and their sentiments and engaging in the media becomes a process often of reinforcing your ideas rather than opening your mind to new information and that's unfortunate and really poses a challenge to this country and to what extent do you think President Trump is a symptom of this polarization or to what extent has he excel aerated and deep in polarization and divisions in this country along party lines ethnic lines and of course racial lines look lots of American presidents have been controversy of it been fought over and argued over by citizens on one side or the other but I would say in general most presidents in the modern period have tried to some extent to play to the center looking for legislative comp. From eyes looking to win that political center for the next election he's an unusual leader in that he doesn't seem to be his goal is not so much to play to the center or other to quote energize the base but energizing the base means a polarizing strategy of inflaming the base and saying I'm the only real defenders of the space and so he has a different political strategy than most of the other presidents that we've had and it's a polarizing strategy because it relies upon the idea that the more intense the division the more intense the anger the more people will support me so it is a polarizing tactic the consequence of 50 years of a polarizing narrative and a polarizing landscape that he then inherits and makes use of in his own way but are you concerned about the integrity of our institutions because now that we're in this impeachment inquiry we see a politicisation of the process like I've actually never seen before Mr Trump thumbs his nose at Congress which is a co-equal branch of government primarily because Democrats the opposition party are in control of the House of Representatives even though they are just trying to conduct oversight responsibilities which is part of their responsibilities under the Constitution and other denigration of our intelligence community and the bureaucracy of which we're a part of the way is part of the federal government and he characterize that is in a negative way like in Turkey the deep state it's disconcerting at the least institutions that come to be under pressure in this country over the last couple of decades because of polarization and so questioning the role of the Supreme Court in some cases seen the Supreme Court as a partisan institution it's a sign of that Congress has unfortunately often taken actions on either side against each other saying they don't respect rules or norms when the nomination of America Garland or the attempted nomination merit Garland for the Supreme Court wasn't put forward by the Senate for consideration because they didn't want to on the one side that was to my view a polarizing action which corroded an institutional tradition at least for a norm or a practice and so we've seen worrying signs of different ways some people. Felt the use of executive orders by President Obama was an example of a polarizing tactic but he couldn't get compromise from the Republicans and so he resorted to more you know lateral action each side has its own narrative polarization is polarizing people don't agree on it you can't get a common narrative of blame or responsibility or cause but it's clear we've never seen pressure on institutions like we see tonight in the United States we've never seen constant attacks calling the press an enemy of the people calling you know revered institutions the United States like the intelligence community in the military and the courts politicizing them or attaching political labels in a in a really open way in other things so yes we do see unusual institutional pressure now but unfortunately it's not something brand new Ok quick question now from the big you mayor says so I remember reading a piece for about 2 years ago titled If you want to see America's future look at Turkey that was the title of the article so a lot of observers are underlining the similarities in terms of pattern between President Carter won and President Trump so this question will not only be related to Turkey but to you know other countries that you have studied on the course of the book what does it take to heal this political divide in polarization in countries because you were saying even the 2 issues where people seem to share similar views like the Syrian refugee or the economy downturn where not enough to reach that gap one way to at least stop the process is when there's enough of a balance of power that one side that's being pushed you know you know in a polarizing context as we don't want this anymore anough is enough and we would like to go back to more consensual politics if a polarizing project led by a polarizing leader hits its limits and says you know what these institutions are pushing back but more importantly the society is saying we don't want this project it's too much of course it has some valuable elements to it but there have to be limits that can be one way in which a society begins to walk back from the cliff of even more polarization and then. The intolerance and other damage that it brings another way is for a new leader to come in and say I've seen what's been happening to this country you've elected me to be a candidate of consensus and I'm going to find common ground and I'm going to be a different kind of leader in Turkey has had leaders like that before in Turkey could have leaders like that in the future and Thomas I thought we'd end on a relatively positive note so I thought you could talk to us about some of the countries which were excluded from the book perhaps countries that do not experience that is democracies that are not experiencing significant polarization I believe Tunisia was mentioned as one can you talk about that there's various encouraging examples to mission is a fascinating case after Tunisia return to democracy in 2011 many people fear that it would go down a very polarized path as Egypt did in that same time between those who wanted a more Islamised a nation and those who wanted a less Islamised a nation and immediately political life looked like it was forming around that divide and threatened to become very divisive yet the Islamize side of the equation was cautious about that and even though they gained power within a few years they actually stepped back from power and said no we don't want this right now this is too divisive we don't want the country to go down this path and some people thought this was just a political tactic for the longer term but there seems to have been some real sincere or 2 to avoid what they saw as happening in Egypt and other parts of the Arab world so there are countries that both the maturity of leadership maturity of the society can avoid these kinds of things I think Indonesia is an example also to me of a country that is not very polarized considering all the serious divisions in Indonesia after 20 years of democracy there are a few warning signs that I talked about but a culture of tolerance and consensus building and so forth is still stronger in Indonesia than division or yellow lights flashing a little bit safer Indonesia and it needs to to worry but so far in Tunisia is a very good story of a Muslim majority country in fact the largest Muslim population in the world the. Has made a good run a consensus building democracy rather them polarized markers the book is democracy's divided the global challenge of political polarization the author Thomas Carruthers He's senior vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Thomas thank you very much for coming in and sharing your terrific insights been a pleasure thank you press conference USA on The Voice of America was produced in Washington thanks to Kim Lewis for booking our guest our engineer was just inflates joining me on the program was a Turkish reporter begin air source and Nova for y.d. Senior t.v. Producer with the always Indonesian Service I'm Carol Castillo join me again next week for another press conference USA on The Voice of America.
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Navy sailors at a base in the state of Florida by a member of the Saudi Royal Air Force Well let's start with obviously what the big story is and that is this ongoing impeachment inquiry into President from now just a little bit of background for our global listeners here 2 articles of impeachment are being debated by the House Judiciary Committee the next step will be for the full House all 435 members to vote after the committee votes so it's possible by this time next week perhaps that we could have for the 3rd time in American history the president of the United States actually impeached by the House and again with the Senate trial probably in January so very big and historic stakes here now and both of you have been watching this all week long now good to see you you've been watching this closely all week long your thoughts I would definitely historic definitely a situation where people know how this is going to and and yet there are questions are being asked that have never really had to been asked before right people know that the Democrats are in all likelihood going to have the numbers to. Impeach the President in the house and then the Senate which is run by the Republicans will not convict him the president will remain in office what's new is that he is running again for office and he is going to be the Republican nominee there's a possibility of another 5 years of President Trump so some of the questions that are being asked now is let's say if he does get impeached what he himself would view as a personal humiliation does this mean that he will regardless possibly even be impeached again if he continues to take actions do things that the Democrats find as an abuse of power I mean these are the types of questions that are coming up in previous cases for instance Bill Clinton he wasn't up for reelection there is a lot at stake and I think that regardless of what comes out of the impeachment process next year's election is going to be an even bigger deal than a normal family reelection j.j. You've been watching this all week too what do you think you know as the whole pointed out this is a momentous time in our in our history and not just because of this impeachment situation but because of the actions that are taking place by the people involved in the impeachment there are situations where people are going at each other frontally with insults and there's this whole business when you watch the impeachment on t.v. Of the Democrats and Republicans they seem to be just a few a few moves away from attacking each other physically I mean it's gotten to the point where international officials diplomats watching this are stunned this is the new version this is the latest version of impeachment the other thing in the whole pointed out is what happens if the president continues forward as he plans to and this continues to play out I was talking with the Democrat and a Republican earlier in the week who are both friends both of them have congressional law enforcement military creds and they they talked about the fact that they were really scared that we're we're going right now may lead to violence and some point you know it's interesting that one think that no whole you mentioned you have. He could possibly be impeached again and the reason for that of course is that evidence will continue to come out and it's interesting if you go back and look at what happened to President Nixon back in 1974 of course he resigned before he could actually be impeached but he clearly would have been had he stuck it out but the House Judiciary Committee was looking at these articles concerning Nixon but the one big thing the so-called smoking gun transcript that showed Nixon was clearly involved in the Watergate cover up that actually came out after these articles of impeachment were introduced against Nixon it's entirely possible that to your point that stuff is going to continue to come out against Trump even after these 2 impeachment articles with him against him have been dealt with and let's not forget that you know the day of this phone call between President Trump and all those American Zelinsky the president of Ukraine this phone call that whose transcript appears so damning to the president in terms haven't him demanding or asking for an investigation of the Bidens that was the day after Robert Mueller testified before Congress and so Bob Mueller goes out there says these things he didn't do it the way the Democrats wanted but this was fresh in everyone's mind the idea that the president and Russia may have had some relationship that sort of thing it was there and yet the president felt like he could take this action with Ukraine that is now gotten him in such hot trouble so the question is that if he is not removed from office will he also feel emboldened and his people you know the campaign people the time campaign people say that impeachment is a major driver for their base so in a way they're going to try to capitalize on this to get their voters out well they've been raising a ton of money off it no question these fundraising emails but when people say that yes to huge boost to the trunk base the implication is that it's not boosting the other side either and if you look at sort of recent elections in. Virginia Louisiana so forth there are signs that it's actually firing up at the Democratic base too isn't it that's right in the hall I love the fact that you pointed out how this is firing up the base and Paul you are the master of history bringing back that piece about presidential history I should say bringing back that piece about the Watergate era and it is absolutely pertinent right now today because the crack in America's political infrastructure started in 2015 it was a small crack and it has continued to crack it's just like a crack in a windshield if you don't get it fixed eventually it's going to spider out over the whole windshield in your car and what's happened now in this country there are those here in the country and those abroad especially Russia China Iran other places that know that there is this fissure in the United States and as we press closer to elections they're going to do everything they can using all of their tools descend from ation misinformation whatever you want to call it to try to divide the 2 apart and make this about what America isn't about and that is all the differences that's what everybody that's trying to work against us abroad are hoping for to drive the nation apart and it's it's on full display right now to exploit these divisions even absolute or and just imagine if the race is close in November and the president quote unquote loses do you think he'll accept that result so here's the question it's really interesting to me what happens if the base or the people who are so fervent about this process don't accept the result you know I mean this Democrat Republican I was talking about said we really do fear violence if people don't accept what the outcome is and how will we get to an outcome you know if it's close will there be you know recounts and accepting recounts and hanging chads and I reckon anything will the bases of these $22.00 sides both sides actually accept the outcome where you made an interesting point about sort of what the Russians and others are doing particularly the Russians. And that is it's not so much that you know they were necessarily pro Trumper or anti Trump you can make kind of an argument sort of both ways but the one thing that they clearly wanted to do which was what you just said was exploit these existing divisions and I'll layer on top of that what they really wanted to do rather than support or oppose any particular candidate I think was to make Americans doubt their own system to have slashed faith in our electoral process in other words to through their own thoughts undermine these pillars of American democracy is that a reasonable That's more than reasonable that is spot on frankly the idea that the Russians and those who agree with them have harped on and fact they've pushed this idea forward is that there is no such thing as truth truth is what I say it is it's an Orwellian kind of society that they've been trying to push here in the u.s. They've been doing it for decades in Russia and in Europe and European allies have been dealing with this for many years but what they've actually done is found a way to slither into the u.s. Political system and insert that doubt and unfortunately because of social media and other mainstream media failures many Americans have been on it and they won't let go do you remember the so get smart I do remember how 99. And Maxwell Smart remember how it was basically a fight between the American agency control and I guess it was the Soviet right this is the yes yes it was the pressure because what does Vladimir Putin want he wants chaos you know and that's what they want in America or if they've got it that's interesting she's talking to Hollis talking about that such a good point there is a television program here in America in the 19 $160.00 s. Right during the height of the Cold War between the United States and the Soviets never was a comedy but it's. Funny I love it you know well it's not funny now and I think j.j. And the Hall of clearly made that point to me that's the interesting and scary thing . As we look at sort of the you know the election you know are voting systems secure and can they be hacked and who would exploit that these are all questions that you know delicious questions for the Russians and they're not and they're not at all resolved or answered yet so which is why Trump which the phrase you said Trump is kind of a slithered Well I didn't say he did but I saw Russians how did the Russians did but you know there are those who do say that but I didn't say that though so what what the president is doing though he is latching on to this kind of truth is what you make of what facts are what you make of it already has their alternative you know these things I think undermined our democracy in kind of a broad way to don't think that I have a nephew and a little in the east and honestly I worry about how they are going to consume information in the future I worry about how they're going to deal with the world where disenfranchisement and misinformation on the norm it's very alarming to me as of her son you know and yeah I just think anyone if you believe in democracy if you want control over this chaos in the world you have to worry about the way that governments and these agencies and politicians present information and I'm all about trying to figure out a way to help my nephew needs navigate this in a future that's interesting and on top of that kind of delving off another area here you've got things like fake videos that are really getting quite sophisticated they can also present the differing versions of the truth as well and you kind of get this foreboding sense that that 2020 we're going to see a bunch of that stuff all of a sudden inserted into the political mainstream mistress' my fear it's mind blowing when you think about it and the whole you again nailed another big point is what are the younger people going to make of all of this and you ask about this question about the way forward and what I have found to my delight and surprise is that there's a group of people journalists that are out there that are pretty small right now but they are working very hard to come. Interact this whole idea that the only way you can learn is through social or digital media they're promoting face to face contacts and they're trying to do that in schools the trying to do that with organizations communities you know there are people here in the States people in other countries it's a very small group of people but that is what they see is that is the idea all right we're going to talk about this no doubt for probably the rest. 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Welcome back Prime Minister Boris Johnson bet big and Great Britain's an election and that that appears to have paid off his conservative party the Tories has won a big victory the question what does this mean for breakfast at the planned to leave the European Union plus some other things we'll get to call you 1st I think it's safe to predict that brags that it is going to happen I believe January 31st is the date Boris Johnson won enough numbers that he'll probably be able to get his brags that a deal with the European Union through the parliament now look anything is possible I mean this is Britain and you know who thought brags it was going to happen in the 1st place but you know if so it looks like he's got an easier path and then once that happens then he will try to simultaneously strike a deal. With the u.s. On trade and deal with the e.u. On trade playing each other off and interestingly I think President Trump might view Boris this victory as a good sign for himself in 20 times that's was going to ask him and could signal anything about the American election I mean Johnson this whole trend of de globalization which Trump is obviously was a visible example of that Boris Johnson as well every country on its own is that kind of say anything about it and I might want to disagree a tad bit about that I agree on the premises that there's total chaos there and they know they have to do something but I think the observed what took place in the u.k. This is their 3rd go around I think this is their 3rd prime minister corrected his career and went 3 years in a short period of time because even Cameron and right recently you know because of that analogy that you mentioned earlier and I love that I'm going to bring it back to control versus chaos thing you know Britain is right there in its in the heart of Russian dirty money and Russian this information and there oligarchy there who own soccer teams and people connected to the Russian to the Kremlin to the whole problem here in the u.s. That might present a glimmer of hope at this electorate here is very different the issues here are very different and I do think though what we're facing right now is very different from what Britain is facing if only because of the characters There are involved here you've got the president then you've got the Democrats then you've got the Republicans and then you've got the American people many of whom are deadlocked and many of whom are have locked onto their candidates and are not budging on anything the other really key thing about this Boris Johnson Trump thing the president avoided him at the NATO summit and I'm not sure that it's going to be a slam dunk for him to try to do or to work on a trade deal with the u.s. Because of what took place and you might remember that whole McCrone in Justin Trudeau little thing that took place at the cocktail party where they were snickering about the president will Boris Johnson was in that too so we have to remember that. Look this was a very calculated thing on for us and trumps part they intentionally avoided one another last few weeks why because Trump is so unpopular in Britain that Boris once worried that it was her it would hurt him at the polls a couple of things we have to bear in mind for us himself is not really that well liked but you know he's kind of the best they could do with conservatives at the time but he was running against a guy who was even more disliked more Jeremy Harben the socialist leader of the Labor party who has been his face numerous accusations of anti semitism and other types of things and a lot of the people have bolted labor not because they like Boris but because they hate Jeremy Corbyn And I think he's a lesser of 2 evils well in their mind and I think people people are trying to make this analogy they're saying oh this is like a sign that the Democrats left this message is not going to play well in 2020 and cetera et cetera I think the bigger lesson is you need to put up a candidate the voters will like more than the other guy and that's arguably the reason the trump one in the 1st place is that people disliked Hillary Clinton was conscious so you know Democrats need to this idea of electability among Democrats I think that's something often people with a why would people worry about that electability a you know it only gives advantage to the white male etc etc But look I think after last night you have to think maybe electability is something people need to consider if they want to get Trump out of office it's interesting let me read both of you here something that I read and British press this morning here's a key point about Johnson I read it you to react to this no longer Boris Johnson be forced to pander to the extremes of his party the hard core directors of the European Research Group on the right and the soft core remainders toward the center nor will he be in hock to the hardliners in Northern Ireland that kind of thing this would be now quite a very strong prime minister who's going to get his way that's what they appear to be saying that's right and one of the interesting things about Boris's efforts in recent weeks is that he. Unlike Trump who you know often just wants to burnish his base and strengthen his base Boris has tried to reach across the so-called aisle and he has made moves and said things for instance he doesn't want to pursue these harsh austerity programs he is not trying to destroy the National Health Service you know those sorts of things and so he's trying to appeal to a broader segment and that's a sign of someone who now the numbers he's won he's probably going to feel more comfortable governing that way as well because he doesn't have to pander to the people who seats he needs to keep him in power because now there's just so many more seats that he has another thing is people often compare Boris and Trump and you know it's funny I use the word for aspects really how he's known his last name is Johnson and they say oh they're so similar and Trump himself has said oh he's the Briton Trump but you know beyond like the hair and the occasional populist outreach and the frankly slipperiness with the truth there's big differences between the British prime minister and the u.s. President I mean Boris Johnson comes from the British elite he went to Eton he went to Oxford he is very much kind of a stablish meant guy for the most part he believes in the Paris climate and he wants to stay in there on nuclear deal and so it's important to remember that the analogy only goes so far it's interesting and when he was the mare of London he was regarded as pretty leftwing kind of a mere 2 Well I mean London's a very diverse city and when he was mayor of London he also said that Trump was unfit to serve as president but he was clearly out of his mind and number of other insulting things to President Trump Well let's move on here in the United States the Pentagon has suspended operational training for all Saudi military students here indefinitely halting flight instruction firing range training in all other operations outside of the classroom this of course in the wake of a shooting in recent days at a Navy base in Florida that left 3 Americans dead and the killer was a member of the Saudi Royal Air Force. Jay-Jay how much damage to these ties between Washington and Riyadh how much damage has been done there are 2 levels looking at the military side of this a lot looking at the political side not much visibly but when you look at the military problem here you have 3 members of the u.s. Military that have been killed by an individual who No we found out within the last day or so who perhaps had been radicalized years before he came to the United States but then there was a scenario that unfolded on this base where he supposedly had dinner parties where you know videos of mass shootings were shown and some of the people who viewed them were his fellow Saudi airmen but people who were also on this base for training as well and there were those who knew about it apparently some who watched another who videotaped so what this says to the u.s. Military from my view is that we really do have to look very carefully at this relationship and how we handle this with these people not just from Saudi Arabia but from everywhere it all supposedly was triggered by an insult you know in the classroom by an instructor who was a contractor working for the military supposedly But then there was the background of it so the u.s. Military recognizes that there are threats there are risks not just abroad but here at home and they have to be even more careful about how they vet people and engage with them here on home soil as well and the whole you know when you think about it and go back in time I seem to recall that the September 11th 2001 attacks of the 19 hijackers 15 of them were Saudis So the question is why are they considered an American ally that is a big question but honestly it comes down to differing between the Saudi people and the Saudi government and the u.s. Government has long done not the Saudi government has been an ally of the u.s. Against communism and against Iran and so the idea being that you cannot hold the Saudi government responsible for the act. Individuals that it doesn't necessarily control and that they offer so much on counterterrorism intelligence cooperation and I should add they buy a lot of American weapons billions and billions and billions of dollars of American weapons and so that's also a factor in the u.s. Relationship with the Saudis so it's also true Jay-Jay that they've spent an awful lot of money very quietly over the years funneling things like you know what Islam and so forth that's all true as well yeah and that's one of the things that a lot of people have been looking at for years which is why a part of this has a political bent to it too because Hobby ism is a very narrow view of I guess a religious ideology and it's not very positive towards others outside of the thinking process of what hobby is but you know they do and they have been injecting money into schools and organizations in the u.s. That have fostered that ideology and there are those that believe that people like this airman may have been victim to some of that negative thinking about the u.s. And others that led to the situation but look the bottom line on this is what took place was something a personal decision that this individual made he made that decision the others who may be involved with him made that decision the thing that investigators are now trying to figure out is are there others who thought like him and are they out there now they know they took several trips one of which was to New York and again you mention the 15 Saudis that were involved in 911 that brings back memories to people of the Hamburg cell who were here in Germany and other places just kind of quietly doing their thing this is the problem that the military and the intelligence community is wrestling with now are there others who think like this person who pulled that trigger but you know the other side of this when people say look that they do support having these kinds of relationships training the Saudis is that when you expose these Saudi soldiers to America probably most of them might end up liking it and that it could foster pro-American feelings so that's worth considering as well it's a good thing definitely a good thing to expose them to and we'll have to end it right there thanks to 2 of Washington's most prominent journalists not to. 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A very tight contest between the s.n.p. In the Lib Dems that time the seam again in 2019 I suppose the 2 questions really are because both parties have student dance Brax it so it is very much whether the s.n.p. Have been able to reenergize those those voters who came out in large numbers for them in 2015 but but fewer numbers in 2017 that the exit poll pops tells us something about or whether or not the Lib Dems have been able to attract the true union voters who in 2017 lent their support to the Tories have enough of them switched over to the Lib Dems to give them the edge both parties are describing as as very tight so far the Lib Dems certainly think that perhaps the exit poll was it was a bit of a bit off as far as that particular seat was concerned but what we hear is that the s.n.p. Not only ahead the other interesting seat here in Fife is. Very different reasons and 27000 Labor one seat bought from there same with a majority of 259 Leslie Laird she was the the shadow Scottish secretary and for both of those reasons I suppose the numbers and also her profile this was a top and St Pete argot at the start of the campaign but during the campaign their candidate was suspended pending an investigation into allegations of Antti Semitic material he posted online he was suspended by the party they withdrew their support for him but because of the timing of it he still appears on the ballot paper beside the s.n.p. On while he has apologised for for for what he what he did the he has still campaigned and activists have complained on his behalf despite the 1st minister Nicholas sturgeon telling them to go and lend their support their energy in other near nearby constituencies so I suppose the big question is can he win county when Certainly no one is ruling that out and I just. I've just heard him say that he is reasonably happy with the way things are going so far so that is another fascinating scene in Prospect Stephen Gordon thank you let's go back to the northwest of England to Washington Chris valances there are 2 seats in Warrington both held by Labor one Natalie and one more comfortably what's happening Stephen Yes well it's Chris here yet. So I've just been talking to Stephen and no problem at all there are 2 counts going on here as you say in the Birchwood leisure and Tennis Center in Warrington you can probably hear the almost autumnal rustle of papers behind me very busy counting Warrington north is as you say safe had been a safe Labor seat to labor season said 183 so it's a big upset if. Labor seem confident the new candidate Charlotte Nicholls who replaced Helen Jones can hang on to it albeit with a smaller margin but that said you know that the number of votes in so far are still a lot of work going on there. The contest was expected to close in Warrington South Beach in campuses some industrial areas some leafy villages expensive suburbs final Rashid the incumbent Labor m.p. Is defending a 2 and a half 1000 majority and he Carter the conservative candidate and former radio journalist but we won't help hold that against him. Must be feeling pretty confident now that he can overturn. His supporters say so far there's a small advantage that they can detect it's still early days but interesting it is breaking down they say according to whether the area the votes coming in or coming in from areas that will remain or leave Warrington South was just small even more leaves than remain so that may give you some insight into why we're seeing what we're seeing but again you know the still a lot of counting to be done Chris thanks very much will be back when things proceed. Back sublight what you're hearing now well. Well we're counting one spec now but except Ashley is going to a recount now this is a seat held by Ian Lavery He's the chairman of the Labor Party is a strong brick city in a brick satiric constituency and last time he had a majority of movement 10000 but this has gone to a full recount tonight his challenger is I think a 26 year old conservative called Jack Gephardt he's a more pathetic ounce of him and I think you spoke to me a Lavery not that long ago an hour or so ago he seemed then quietly confident so I don't think this is necessarily a situation that anyone expected here this evening in terms of that more surprises than to come it might be it would seem like it the fact that it's gone to a full recount a man whose share of the vote went up in 20152017 I beg your pardon and he had this massive majority the fact that it is going to a full recount not even a partial recount a full recount suggests that it must be very very close we're told that we'll have the results in about another half an hour from now but there are a lot of sort of anxious faces around the whole Thanks very much for that Phil let's just go to you and I just made a point about the early earlier I said that in the exit poll a large number of seats which were too close to cool but that meant the majority could go up as well as down. One but was one of those but it was marked as labor so in the early tallies an exit poll once but was done as a Labor seat albeit to just go we're hearing rumors as well the red car. Has basically probably gone conservative that was also a seat that isn't was in that labor tally but Mark too close to call so you know it's incredible if we're going to get some that I think it is it is however also true that judging by the exit poll as we move south because we're saying earlier we will not be seeing some of these quite dramatic as dramatic shifts we're expecting these in bits of the northwest and particularly to the northeast. But still that when these are astonishing results are we said anything at this point about the so-called remain alliance. Hasn't been terribly successful in that would be the 1st point we would make about it just on Labor's vote by the way and Bracks it has fallen more in leave voting areas but it has also fallen in remain voting areas it's just fallen less dramatically in the Senate is a benefitted list American and in general what you're seeing snatch is Nort a huge improvement in many seats overall in the conservative share the vote what you're seeing is the labor share of the vote plummeting so far by sort of you know 12 percentage points the conservative vote rising slightly. That's that doesn't isn't as it doesn't matter because you're massive swing of the sort of 910 percentage points swing we've been seeing in some states. But it but it is mostly because Labor's vote is forming and Labor's vote we have the exit poll the underpinning values of the exit poll basic have Labor's vote falling amongst every single demographic group so thank you well we'll talk about moving So so let's do that and go to Wilcher and to see it's interesting seats in in Swindon Swindon says is held by the secretary of state for justice no less Robert Buckland with a relatively slim majority of 2 and a half 1000 last time and it was clearly one that. Was going to be hard fought but under the conditions that we're seeing tonight maybe Robert Bucklin is feeling a bit confident are you. Well Jim Boyd up by the North Swindon result on Wall Street's I think a bit foolish of anybody to extrapolate a complete. Result from a neighboring seat traditionally the Swindon seats have gone with the government I'm optimistic I can see the ballot papers being very fight before me and my team I wrote there I'm not going to judge precisely what the result is but I'm feeding in a good mood if you look at the northern seat in the city in the turn Justin Tomlinson your colleague I'm in more or less doubled his majority indeed 16000 share of the vote that does give me confidence that we can do the same I've been out in the wind and rain talking to many voters and also interestingly my secret is a bit of a microcosm of the u.k. I've got a bit of everything really in it it is those states traditionally perhaps have been seen as more blue collar where there's been a lot of support for the conservatives today a real surge that I feel will be reflected in the results tonight Well what's interesting about this let's assume that that you prevail but even if you don't it's quite clear that there is likely to be a conservative government with a comfortable majority come to morrow. What do you think. But biggish majority would do for but Boris Johnson in this sense what kind of administration would he run what would he do with the relative freedom that a majority of that kind could give him well if he does prove to be the case I think the 1st thing that he and indeed the team will do is look at where those seats of come from and I'm seeing a very much across country coalition of seats it's not no longer the case it seems to me if these results are extrapolated across in the way they're think they're going to be that it's that that that the Tories are the party of the South in the southeast anymore this is a truly national party. Making the point in the studio of course and it needs to go on and so on but you know banging on is a One Nation Tory but. Which one was what she always has but he was making the point that quote what would happen as a consequence of this kind of result of it if it persists is that the party in Westminster has to reflect that it is going to be broader by the nature of this result and that will change its tone I think it's a very good thing and you know Jim that as a proud Welshman but a pro Tory I've long believed that the strength of the party has still lie and it's true reflection of the whole of the u.k. And that's why for me getting you know seats like Bly and seats in the north is such a powerful to put in a club really it helps liberal Tories like yourself well ah and I think it helps Boris Johnson because when he talks about a One Nation Conservative government he actually means it in I've been given the privilege of serving him in his 1st cabinet and I'm more than happy to do so because I believe that he shares those values he wants to govern in a way that will include the Left Behind communities that will level up parts of our country that have felt excluded. And we'll understand that the Bracks it wasn't just about the issue of Europe it was about that question of being and feeling left behind now it's a huge challenge for any government but I believe that Boris Johnson the conservatives are up for it we are up for this challenge and we want to get on with making 2020 years of progress Robert Buckland a secular state for justice but more to the point candidate in Swindon sir this evening thanks very much for sparing us time from your current Ross Hawkins what are you hearing and receiving on your phone which is red hot this is it's really amazing for nearly as much as Little does it all for me new special model for the. Moment as we said it's in the service contact I was in. 2 days ago with one of these tactical voting campaigners and they were saying they were supporting Labor but it was all about getting tactical vote out on the face of it across the country to answer a question from 2 minutes ago it doesn't seem to have much in effect with the cafe at the canary which of course was the remain option for many of the seats at least in quite complex close ones thinks that it's held all 4 of seats so it thinks maybe it's helped a bit there and intriguing thought from a senior member of tourism ace team you just gave me a ring saying if only Labor had done the deal with the Tories 3 men when they were trying to get together and they wanted to get a one spectacular ration chairman of the Labor Party. Number given to each candidate was as follows. Michael Flynn Christian Peoples Alliance 178. Jack Alexander got the Conservative Party candidate at $16310.00 votes. In Lavery Labor Party 17000 was was. I hear Lavery Labor Party 17124. Steve Leyland the Green Party 1217. Stephen Antony leader well that is the term of the Labor Party in levity scraping whole time in a seat which has always been considered very safe x. Mining say to Northumberland his own territory of one's back and he's got a majority there of under a 1000 now over the conservatives with a vote of 17124 I don't know if Mr Levin is can speak it might be worth hearing what he's going to say different what has been happening to his party this evening in which he is the chairman member of parliament for the ones that constituency was the above. And he is going to say something not. Was a close call. Just clear some record my. Function to the staff here at the loyal lover though no certain Be sincere function to the people involved in the coltan everybody who is organized in here to know you're doing a terrific job you all deserve a real art on the box your function very much for the art a lot of people would like the sun but all of that going to do with 3 years in order to do that we've got a very fair we've got a very fair election with the individuals concerned you know what democracy years a funny thing. We should all live by the rule of democracy and I think that's certainly which is a very important I think as it being a Brick City only action and I think we've seen the situation in the world shouldn't just delighted by the weird to be reelected to the to be the m.p. For one's birth it's such an honor such a privilege to to represent the people of this period front past the constituency and I look forward to represent everyone and want not just the people who supported me but in the party at the election every single person they just hearing from in labor he scraped time with his seat Let's cross now see to speak to Cornelius Lysaght he's there for us at the b.b.c. Now to save one of them writers and yet we have to if everyone has Could he says usual role for us at Cornelia's to tell us what's happening way you are tell us about the seat Yes hello good evening or good morning from the Westland entertainment venue in Yeovil the name a nod to the best known employer around here and votes from the oval constituency and neighboring Somerton and Froome. Counted in the ballroom here these areas once liberal Democrat strongholds the late Lord Ashdown Paddy Ashdown m.p. Cornelius Well for start. We're just going to cross. We're going to go in a minute more than a minute to a declaration we thought we had one cornélie Steve Carrell just Paddy Ashdown m.p. For Yeovil for nearly 20 years but these 2 seats the oval and Summit and Froome of being comfortably conservative for the last 2 parliaments hopes high that the Lib Dems could actually make inroads into the big majorities of Marcus 15 Yeovil and David Warburton in Somerset and Froome and this could bode well for the Liberal Democrats fortunes in the south west of England in the future but at a venue where Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs are in pantomime action this Christmas there's a lot more grumpy or maybe going on which I found it really. Let's go let's go to the lead at the daily plan to have the show and. Seeking great it is always there for the working too and constituency do heat I hereby declare that the total number of votes cast for each candidate was as follows. Nikki independent 842. Thank. You Heyman Labor Party. 16312. Thank you. Huge Neil liberal Democrat. 1525 thank you I've been sued and boy Alan 87. Thank Jenkinson mark the Conservative Party 20000. 30. 102-0400 incident 88. Perry Jill Green Party 596 thank you all could David Fricke seat party 1749 thank. Their fall. Mark in Jenkinson is Julie elected as the Member of Parliament for the working student constituency. Well the historic times here working to this has been a labor constituency for most of the last 100 years the total number of votes cast was 41692 let's just talk about what this means and that's a 10 percent swing from Labor to the conservatives. In the seat which you know had been much discussed but let's not and it's a shadow environment it's the 1st big name to go 2nd. Conserved again it's a seat which basically with a very brief exception during a by election has been held by Labor since 1900. You know and in the end actually that wasn't even that close. That's that's turned out basically a 10 percent majority into a 10 percent conservative majority and it was obviously became the seat to be talked about on this campaign was and it was like the profile of what the conservatives were aiming today yeah and they've they've achieved it I mean a new Met numerically on their target as this was 62nd but I mean a slightly odd East Kilbride declaration sort of number of course called for each candidate which is 4 was. Margaret Ferrier. Scottish National Party. 23775. Was. Jade when. We brought in a quarter of the. 18504. Chinese was if my count. You've kept. 620 in a. Monarchy vote. Scottish liberal Democrats. $2791.00 and. I try to deal with. Scottish Conservative and Unionists. 8054. And that the play of the moderate fairly out is awake to I. I. Was Going To School brag but you went to rather not that far away that's rather Glen in Hamilton West and that is significant because Margaret Ferrier for the s. And p. Has gamed that from the Labor Party with the majority of just over $5000.00 and that's the 1st of several seats that we would expect in Scotland to go that way. Phil Yes I bet bear in mind that right at the top of the program we said that of all the bits of the exit poll the bit that we were most unsure about was the situation in Scotland and that's partly because there were fewer sampling points about because there were lots of marginal seats and you needed to be a little bit careful about what might happen there. I'm just very quickly looking to see how far we are away from the prediction she maybe that maybe well it doesn't matter but what you know it does it does it doesn't I'll tell you know what's really want does matter I'll tell you why does that I think is slightly less good in terms of the swing for the s.n.p. Than we might have expected which means if it turns out that this holds across all the seats that although they've taken this seat maybe they won't take quite as many as we were predicting at the top of the probably had a tight stilt if it's an s.n.p. Going it's another Labor loss they're moving Ross in Mary labor Scottish m.p. Turning out for his count I think the country spoken if the party doesn't listen then the party will get everything that they deserve in money of course who broke with carbon but 2 years ago oh darling to Declaration important one because if you talk to your bank you know his number of things from the winter he said this is Paul. Brown can enjoy indeed and tonight he. Championed Jen. 17600. Calories. In the House 2097 Gibson piece and I think so because there are around 29 tax incentives we've got in 10 from. I think that's Jenny Chapman out she was the Sunday breakfast in the sack and she was I'm from all these from the bench before rejoining it's a good night again I spoke I spoke to her I went to visit the constituency and I put this point to and she said oh you know what happened last time we had sky here we have babies everyone turns up it happens every time she was really confident she wasn't going to lose a seat she had a pretty confident pretty well dug in servant of candidate who had been there for quite a long time that was the key thing and we. Lose another fighter if you like on the right of the Labor party someone close to k. Stern one of his lieutenants gone and someone else gone from that side of it and how that balances up in the night will really matter which is talking about where it's been taken from Labor's Jenny Chapman and gone to the conservatives let's head back to Doncaster and our colleague Justin Webb Justin what news have you. Heard there yes Don virally one of the 3 constituencies being counted here and I should say we're not close to the the actual results I don't think actually have any of the 3 of them but don't vally which is Caroline Flint's constituencies she was the m. Page been the m.p. For 22 years minister in the Blair government someone who was a remain but who then became a Bracks a tear on behalf of her constituents as it were and voted for Burris Johnson's there it looks as if she is going to lose the conservatives or she's been talking to a pretty competent man they were sort of teetering on the brink of saying they thought they'd want to rally around in the night but now they are pretty confident that don't vally one of these 3 seats Caroline front seat is going to go conservative but alas a. More least an hour hour and a half I should say for possibly longer than that before we actually get to a result but don't violate looks as if conferences last just said thank you. And though a bang on half past 1 in the morning is Kate Williams with the news the Conservatives appear set to return to government with their biggest majority since Margaret Thatcher when the 1987 election and exit polls suggest they will make 50 gains pushing them on 368 seats and giving them a majority of 86 Labor projected to lose more than 70 seats dropping them to 191 the s.n.p. To make big gains in Scotland giving them 55 of the 59 seats in Scotland and the Liberal Democrats to take 13 seats the Braggs it Party is forecast to win no seats you cast upon Tyne central won the race to become the 1st constituency to declare in common with a number of seats in the northeast of England Labor held it but with a much reduced majority in another early declaration the Conservatives took blithe Valley in Northumberland a former mining area in the past few minutes they've also gained working turn in Cumbria from labor with a swing of nearly 10 percent and they've also taken Darlington the labor chairman even in Lavery has held ones back in Northumberland but his majority of more than 10000 was cut to just over 800 s. And p. Has just gained rather Glen and Hamilton West from Labor the home secretary pretty Patel and the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Michael Gove have both said the government will move quickly to get Briggs it done by introducing legislation in Parliament before Christmas if it's returned to power and the shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said the exit poll was extremely disappointing for labor if it was correct he blamed Bragg's it but a number of Labor candidates have said Mr Corbin's unpopularity was the main issue on the doorstep. Now let's go to north London to Chipping bonnets and I think Leslie Yes well I mention hand and were a match Saracens rugby club actually and they're kind thing 3 constituencies here 2 of them particularly interesting chipping Barnet to reserve Villiers constituency she of course Secretary of State for the Environment Food and rule affairs a prominent breaks a tear she is defending a very small majority just $353.00 votes in a heavily remain area 59 percent of people here voted to remain It was number 5 on Labor's target list but I have to tell you that her supporters here are looking pretty relaxed the c evening we've got a long way before the declaration I think another 4 hours before we explain it but they're looking pretty confident there's another see this quite interesting here too though and that is financially in Golders Green now this is been Mike freer has held the seat for the conservatives the majority of about $1600.00 know the Liberal Democrats have never really come anywhere close in this area but Luciana Berger former Labor m.p. Former shadow cabinet member is standing in this seat she of course resigned over the anti semitism or an over brags as well she is standing in this very heavily remain area 69 percent of Finchley in Golders Green voted to remain in the e.u. And looking at the wards as they're being counted you never can tell of course it's running quite close in many of those wards so there's a lot of liberal Democrats and a lot of conservatives huddled grind the counters there but again I'm afraid we've got a long time to wait about half past 5. I think yeah but that is a very interesting one Leslie thank you let's now cross to using Glasgow because they also latest with well just a flag up that victory for the s.n.p. And rather go on and Hamilton West now has a usurp was being very cautious about that earlier but it was a 265 Labor majority Margaret Ferrier if there's m.p. As a one back the seat with a majority of 5002 $138.00 was the 2nd target that will bear out much more the exit poll means the exit poll is likely to be more accurate in Scotland the Junkers obviously has always had a health warning and that also we are hearing that the s.n.p. In Aberdeen South are doing very well De Barge and east is on a knife edge to Swinson the Liberal Democrat seat but also we're hearing that all call in south pasture which was a Tory take with a 3359 majority it looks like that will fall to the s.n.p. As well which is interesting Leigh being fought by John Nicholson who was. Just Winston beat in eastern time and it also shows that the people of all call and pressure don't hold a grudge because he went to Oakland south pasture having the ready students to barter for as I'm delighted to be here representing the people of East. And of course he was an impassioned thanks very much let's go back to Wandsworth in south London 3 interesting constituencies. No Clive might is not there so Bill will go back to him at some point will go to Ross Hawkins just instead for the moment you know the fight continues Diana has tweeted saying we still need a leadership that fights the many not the few momentum is busy putting on Twitter the idea that their policies are still popular maybe more intriguing Tom Watson you think would be terribly keen to jump on Jeremy. Has said very measured the on Channel 4 No I don't think he has to go I think it's more important we have any to offer leadership election we. Look at the polls 1st why is he talking like that because the people who opposed the recall we know they went too fast too hard time after time they are trying very hard to sound reasonable and I'll share one other quote Ken Livingston has told the Press Association I quote the Jewish vote wasn't very helpful. Right Phil just just on the rather Glenn seat I don't I don't want to disagree with Christie what his punishment if you do that but it's not really true that the rather Glenn result is that the exit poll No it is true that rather Glenn was expected to be won by the s.n.p. And was won by the s.n.p. But the s.n.p. Is a vote went up by less than we would have expected based on exit poll and Labor's vote fell by less than we were in other words you're saying that what we can expect in Scotland is a little more uncertain Well exactly and it may well be that the s.n.p. Still end up with $55.00 c. As the expo predicts but based on that one seat and it is one seat I would at least expect the potential for more variation. Ok Do we have Clyde Martin ones with yet nope I think there is shaking heads who do we have a part from Emma hare and in terms of I'm just going about this idea story of Tom Watson and the Labor Party and not going to early too fast I mean if not after this sort of results when do you do it so you don't need to do it to labor it's not that it's not that they don't think Jeremy Corbyn has to go it's they don't want to look like the ones pushing him that's the key point they think it's an inevitable as if you're already seeing the Jeremy Corbyn wing of the party regrouping that same sentiment all in that I mean could there still be a possibility that the Jeremy Corbin part of labor holds on oh yeah oh yeah they will put up their candidates and they will make their arguments and actually I would be surprised if it divided a straight into here is the embodiment of Jeremy Corbyn like a younger female Jeremy called when everybody's always values and over here there's someone on the evil Blairite right whoever it is. Ever survives then pay although it's worth noting care Starmer everything be London M.P.'s that's helpful for them work very hard not to frame the contests in those terms because they are talking not to us not to the commentary but to those hundreds of thousands of Labor members and they need to make sure that the message doesn't fell flat and they don't look like they're checking out the ideological baby with the bathwater with Jess Phillips she's also trending down social media at the moment people saying they expect her to the 1st move even tonight I mean would that be too early to do it do you think or what's your take on that you hearing anything on the hot it is perfectly possible that someone thinks there's an advantage to be gained by going and takes a different analysis from some other part of the movement other parts of people who would sympathize with her back her campaign think no no no no that's wait but what we really discussing now is tactics as opposed to substance the real question for all of them for a care star for an Emily Thornberry for Jess for that if you're listening please to come on the program answer this for us. Isn't just why do you think Jeremy Corbyn got it wrong it's pretty obvious it's gone terribly wrong for labor but what would you do instead it is easy for that part of the leader of the leadership contest say Jeremy Coleman's an idiot the left to be a top of the next one to be well is that still a winnable fight or is that over if we are 5 years away from the election and if in those 5 years we have a conservative party that spends money rather tive to conservative last time years hand over fist as a labor counted it you can't go handing out tax credits to make people directly richer you can't pull the lever in Whitehall and deliver new heavy industry to areas who can't guarantee thousands of jobs it's exactly the same cauldron sente the Democrats have in America what do you offer the people who in their droves in northern in the middle and seats voted Conservative and turned them conservative that the labor for years what do you give them I mean while the big question is will we be seeing the former leader of the conservative swimming in the Lock Ness because that's what she said she would do she is made of the USA where he doesn't print hasn't she John it was in the telegraph if you see one there's a lot of us have you ever been. To in it but that's about as far as I go the Labor vote by the way Joe Johns has been held by Labor but their support is down 20 point . Let's now cross to Laura Parker from the men's and the national coordinator of course the left wing grassroots campaign group that has been Howard corporatism Laura how are you feeling this evening. Well it's obviously not it's not been the greatest evenings of the Labor Party I'm I'm obviously very sorry that we're not doing better but I'm feeling particularly if there's thousands of young people who we've mobilized over the last few weeks have been campaigning with huge energy and determination around the country and this is clearly not the result that I. Wanted out of what you put it down to do you put it down to a lack of policy that's gone down well with people in terms of it's your manifesto already put it down to to the leadership what do you attribute this lack of popularity to look I think it's quite clear that this has become it is a perfect set election that's not the election that we wanted I certainly don't put it down to our policy I think we've got fantastic policies on rebuilding public services on investments around the country but. That's that's what we were just hearing from you know Lord Mandelson may not have been Jeremy Corbin's biggest fan person in the sense if you just described him as a Marxist but he said I was out campaigning and actually if you put aside Jeremy Corbyn a lot of people were saying to him or someone on the doorstep hoping to get labor votes it was too much it was it was just seem believable subpoena. Well I think it's not surprising that after 10 years of wage stagnation and you know the last 3 years of Breck's it which has been wearing for everybody however they voted or I'm so sorry to interrupt we need to go to a declaration veil of Cluett coming in patrol number of votes given to each candidate was his followers political ransom even obliquely a shadow oddity bottom Gay says Alabama I'm David Wain Wellesley about savage country. 18018 votes in the growth mirror act playbacks kill me if only Black said party. 4400 among the votes handed me a paddle can't I now take plate likes Pratt. Welsh Conservative Party. Applied Only dot alchemy country 11185 votes in a big meal in can't. Play it works with. Jeffrey played Camry the party of wills. $6424.00 votes clear pad of can't be padlocked it lies therefore I give public nor does that when David is duly elected is a member of parliament for the friendly constituency specially Raven's Afghan board wing David where he asked. A lot Snapple I'd give it a thought there are 50 or so policies. Nor a part that I hope we still have you on the line are you still there yes I'm so here I'm so sorry to have interrupted you but when we get a declaration we have to we have to get it we were just on packing what has gone wrong from your perspective with this Labor campaign just on a human level you obviously put your heart and soul into this how are you feeling from this tonight. Well I personally am failing I'm feeling Ok I mean a pick myself up and starts again tomorrow I'm I feel desperately sorry for many of our younger activists who really have been busting a gut across the country for the last few weeks and it's tough you know we're all very we're all very passionate committed to the political changes that we want to see and it's obviously you know it's difficult for people but no one ever said the struggle would be easy get a weekend of sleep and then start again and I think that some labor members have said you know this is the death of corporatism Now this is the death of those sorts of political struggles being framed in the way that they have been do you accept defeat No no I don't I don't in that sense no I don't I mean of course it would be churlish at least and slightly ridiculous not to say that you know I don't accept we've been defeated in this election but I very much believe that the policies that we want to see for rebuilding public services for you know increasing the living wage for reinvesting across the country I still believe in those and I you know will carry on but another other people do that's you know to democracy is a participation sport Well there is significant evidence that in fact many of the policies are popular there's overwhelmingly that comes down to the leader so what do you say now as a national coordinator of momentum did you have the wrong messenger. I think we you know I think that's probably a discussion for for at least later on today if no another day altogether I think we've been beaten by breaks it always has been about you think this is become a brick city election let me let me bring someone in who's really on the front line of this Jenny Chapman who has just lost Laura Stay with us is just lost her seat and good evening Jenny. Thank you so much for joining us I think is a slight delay on my mind but but mass start by asking you know saying in terms of how you're feeling right now put it in words for us. Well I mean obviously there's extreme tiredness and disappointment but alongside that is a real anxiety for the future of the community that I represent and the others like up and down the country who desperately desperately need a change in direction of the country and they need a Labor Government and again we failed to deliver one for them and I think much as I share Laura's admiration and concern for our activists I think really what we need to focus on now is figuring out how on earth we rebuild the Labor Party so that we can change the lives of the people that this party was formed to support and you know failing to do that again failing to elect labor m.p. Every time we do that we let those people down and we just cannot do this again what do you think went wrong in this campaign which is which is left you without you'll see it in Darlington. Well it's not about me at all. And whether or not I'm an m.p. Is neither here or there so there are so many things that went wrong clearly. There was a lack of preparedness for this election and discuss are going to approach the policies I think the fundamentals of the manifesto is sound and the values that we campaigned on the causes we championed with the right ones again I'm so sorry to interrupt. I will come back see you but we just got a declaration in Wrexham. Which is going to bring you will be able to hear us a bit clearer just bear with us for a moment we want to bring that to you live as we have it as a declaration which is happening right now Wrexham. And I think I would just tell you I think we've had a long period. Veil of clue is gone conservative elephant is gone conservative. Shelley felt. The returning officer is now on the stage here he is now calling out . And conservatives want to get out of. This. 15199. I thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you now Barkley Hurst Jonathan the bricks party 1222 Barkley heard Jonathan the press to party e-mail. That I. Carry out commonly known as Harper carry the party of Wales 2150 warm. How do you know that you didn't get thank you for Patti right somebody who can't keep their. Recent Duncan Wales Green Party 440445 correction 445 Reese Clyde where comedy peppered hands I thought there. Sly Timothy John commonly known as sly Tim Welsh liberal Democrats 1447. Sly Timothy John Elliott and a friend being slight him Democrats who prattle company email pepper can't pick a site. Women bring Mary Felicity commonly known as when Bree Mary Labor uncooperative party 13 fouls and 6. Was let's just go back now to Jenny Chapman who we were talking to Jenny we're we're hearing again more of a bad night for labor being specific there about what you think went wrong. Jenny of sorry we've just lost you there I was hoping to go but see but Laura what was clear from Jenny Chapman there is there can't be a rerun of this a lot has to change well look I heard Lucy Powell earlier on this evening talking about the need to have collectively for us to come together and reflect and I mean at this stage in the morning I can't do anything other than agree with that and I still believe that our policies of the right ones for the country I believe are significant public support of the things that bring bringing the railways back into public ownership to reinvest in the n.h.s. The free broadband for the sea but you know we failed to cut through with these and again I think it's because Rex it I think we've been beaten by brakes it be consciously not breaks it can you in this because if you've got a compelling enough vision and a compelling enough leader that would have been all right would never it would have cut through a lot more. Well I think that we you know we've obviously failed to communicate it would be dashed not not to sort of acknowledge that but I think you me and you know 3 years ago whenever the referendum was it feels like a very very long time again l. People were told the answer to their problems was leaving the European Union. They've subsequently been told that the dale that the government of come up with is the way to leave I obviously reject that's entirely and we've not counted that well or a pocket thank you so much I think you have that because partly now the 12th of December a big declaration was 192 here I gave notice that the number of the recorded for each candidate at the said election is as follows. For under certain level party 22790. 9 you. Fergal Joseph Mackenzie Green Party 1133. Will suite the Conservative Party candidate $18000.00. 5 I think it's. Silly Liberal Democrats have already had Sue wicks the Liberal Democrats 85042000 Well just to state the obvious that is probably fill Kelly the the best bit of news Labor's had all night winning not entirely unexpected. South London of course Justin Green ings old seat who left the Conservative Party of course Labor winning there with a majority of what round about 4000 yeah it was one of the 2 predicted Labor gains in the exit poll so you are right a good a good bit of news for labor there is maybe a small sliver of another bit of good news in some of the more recent results which is the swing to the conservatives has actually been slightly less than the exit poll in a string of seats we've recently had so we've just had Peterborough for example which has gone it has gone. Conservative from labor but it's a lower swing than we were expecting we were expecting a swing around 3 percent and if around 9 percent in fact it was just 3 percent I mean the point we can talk about things to we're blue in the face but the truth is conservative such oh you know I mean you know if you're looking out for British and you lose it you lose it and you know and I'm I'm just trying to be as you know helpful here to deliver part either because I'm not ice because I'm nice and out there in the country there are not pieces I mean there in the country there are hundreds or thousands of activists who in foul weather for the last month course here not not for their own fall have been sed banging on doors and against. Well it's quite a let's be nice to all of them and here is a small of the sort into as long as really equally I stalled on I'm the I'm lovely to everybody cheer me really I'm I'm renowned for being lovely to everybody and I'm going to be loved every all through the night I'm not. Ok come on prove it well Wimbledon apparently Stephen haven't see is the king exceeding the close this is one the Liberal Democrats have targeted he leaves they were doing very well and we've got labor pretty strong there as well so off that again in Putney one of the question is going to be to what extent is London a different country. It's been asked before and it's come out in other polls in different ways where they could be really it could be potentially really stark That story is really London just have different politics to the rest of the u.k. That might be better being but out in terms of anything else from the conservative side that you've been seeing or hearing this is a real moment a kind of a centrist rather to the left leaning government minister has been in touch of attack I said What you going to do next they said this is wonderful we're going to have to One Nation conservatism in growth of 3 percent I've got all these ideas and you can hear this clutching Boris Johnson close thing but then they said We're also going to reunite the country. And that maybe at the end of the day the fly in the oil for the conservatives the One Nation concert because if you are one nation or if you are truly a unionist if the results are anything like we expect it could be a very difficult day for you we should say that the Alliance Party as we predicted earlier or as we heard from our correspondent they have actually won the seat that lady Hermann vacated so the Alliance Party has its 1st m.p. Of the night all talking of one nation conservatives that was as if it was on cue Nicky Morgan's just walked into the room wearing your blue suit you wear that every election no no this is a special as are special for this right I would be a Christmas tree brooch celebrate tree mode I presume within the consultative I think at the moment obviously it's encouraging We haven't had loads of results coming through we will see have to to see and we really get a sense into e.c. And I think more seats but do you see this and for people who don't know what one nation conservative is conservative isn't it is the concern about Boris Johnson was that he was very much of a harder Breck's it persuasion that's where he'd taken the people around him and actually what we were hearing from Nicholas Soames earlier he's now no longer being an m.p. It yourself as well the same is that actually with this sort of majority the other side of Boris Johnson will now come into play which could actually lead to a less. Hardbacks it well the primacy really clear way through the campaign that he talks of repeatedly about being a One Nation Conservative 11 Nation Conservative government something that is very important to him I think he's very conscious of the fact we all are off the weeks on doorsteps of course that it has very much divided the country lots of different your campaign played into the I don't the campaign has made it very clear that we need to get it done the reason we need to do that is because until we have done that we're not able to move on to talk about the other issue you think this you know are a very important story but the question is do you think this election results will change the type of blacks in this country has I know because I think the Bracks is in terms of withdrawal agreement that the Prime Minister's negotiated with the e.u. a Set that you know I mean there are well that's very much a matter for the negotiations on the trades are not doing any possible say any kind of breaks until those negotiations have started to be honest with you I think it'll be different for different sectors of the a colony on the b. Decisions to be taken in conjunction with people and businesses people work in the sectors as to the type relationship that's right for this countries have the e.u. And the euro and with other country nationals if your colleagues who have also decided to step down for a variety of reasons have said they feel their party is no longer what you have described this One Nation conservatives it's lurched to the right and do you feel that it's coming back this evening well I certainly think we are busy picking up seats in areas that we haven't represented before and I think they want to know what the Conservative Party in government is going to be doing for them I think the manifesto was very much are appealing to a broader cross-section of the country talking about obviously public spending the n.h.s. Education importance of public services but also saying we do respect the way people vote in 2 and 16 we need to get that done and so the prime minister say he's talked about being wanted because of a lot what about the doubt having to go after him. What about Scotland are you now in a position where if it is what we think with the s.n.p. a Significant increase again for them you know are you concerned about that and the union breaking up well I am concerned as a union is a conservative in Yunus member that of course the s.n.p. Very much want to have an independence referendum now and probably everything is not that well they have to have that legislation approved by Westminster Boris Johnson cannot have been clearer that he is not going to assuming that we have that but already conservative government he is not going to be approving a bill to enable Scottish independence referendum his view very much is we need to move forward as a country not spend time on further reference so that's always you can be a point of difference between at the s.n.p. And a Conservative government but there's lots of ifs you know it is only what is it coming to hours more before we see all the results we do indeed it is going to be baby boom as far as Johnson predicted it as well whether it's directed to a Christmas or the start of 20 twentieth's a new decade and I hope very much that we are able to move towards a country I think the last 3 and a half years have been enormously weary and divisive and if we are able to see a new way forward if that involves people celebrating that that could be a good thing you won't be in the House of Commons to do so Nikki Morgan thank you very much for telling couple of things have just come in the Conservatives taken leave from labor and that's quite a big shift that's you know a big win less good for the conservatives they've lost Angus in Scotland we're just talking about their son p. Liberal hell Lewisham east of on a state with comely Stanford with the d.p. Labor have held. Them still conservatism held how to get near as broad Chelmsford Harlow and Madden which is just come in it's 2 o'clock you're listening to election 19 on Radio 4 and 5 live with them a bonnet and James Naughtie and let's have a summary of the news now from Kate Williams The conservatives are made. Gains at the expense of labor breaking down what was described as the party's red wall in the north of England an exit poll has suggested the Tories are on course for a majority of $86.00 in the past hour the conservatives captured the much talked about constituency of Workington in Cumbria it was a strong leave area and the Tories 67th target seat the victory prompted huge cheers Jenkinson mark the Conservative Party $20000.00. 25488 the new Turi m.p. Mark Jenkinson won with a majority of more than 4000 a swing of 9.7 percent to the Tories the conservatives have also captured Darlington County Durham and the former mining constituency of blight theri about Blythe Valley in Northumberland a seat which Labor has held since 1950 undertaken the seats of Peterborough and Cambridge chair and vale of clued in Wales which were both labor with Tories poised to make further gains in northern England the Cabinet minister Robert Buckland told this programme the boss Johnson would return to full throated one nation conservatism I think the 1st thing that he and indeed the team will do is look at where those seats of come from and I'm seeing a very much or a cross country coalition of secret city no longer the case it seems to me if these results are extrapolated that the Tories are the party of the soaps in the southeast anymore Labor's chairman in Lavery scraped home in his Northumberland seat of one's back on a much reduced majority on this program the national coordinator of momentum Laura Parker insisted that Labour's manifesto was not to blame for the party's losses look I think it's quite clear that this has become what it is a bricks it election that's not the election that we wanted I said we don't put it down to our policy I think we've got fantastic policies on rebuilding public services on investments around the country. One of Jeremy Corbin's closest allies the former Mer of London Ken Livingstone said it looked like the end for the Labor leader and he would probably have to resign speaking on this program the Labor peer Lord Mandelson who is an architect of Tony Blair's victories said the party now needed to focus on looking at where it went wrong the Labor Party now has to decide if it is serious about returning to its mission of winning to change our country for the better and the 1st stage is about expecting and understanding why we lost not looking for scapegoats bricks it all blaming the media and in the past few minutes Labor has taken person a from the conservatives the s.n.p. Have made 2 gains when rather Glen and Hamilton West in south London from labor market Feria took the seat for the Scottish nationalists with a 5 percent swing from Labor Yes m.p. Also took Angus from the conservatives with a swing of 7 percent from the Tories an exit poll suggests the conservatives will make 50 gains putting them on $368.00 seats and giving them a majority of $86.00 Labor projected to lose more than 70 seats dropping them to 191 the s.n.p. To make big gains in Scotland giving them 55 at the 59 seats in Scotland and the Liberal Democrats to take 13 seats thank you very much Kate just in the last few minutes as you were talking there we've had a little slew of results we're into the meat of the evening are just after 2 o'clock is Lou in and so on the West held by Labor bans least held by Labor with him Steve Baker the conservative but there Vale of Glamorgan had by the can help by the conservatives Lester East held by Labor that was the seat held by Keith Vaz who has gone the majority there tumbling but it's been held by Labor haven't very safe Conservative seat and burn.
You know as you say looks like a very decisive election result and no doubt we will leave the European Union in a few weeks but there are millions of people for whom that's the last thing they want to nothing about that has changed and I think what will change and this is all about bringing the nation back together healing if you like lancing that boil of hatred and polarization is that the democratic will of the people will be enacted and you know what the morning after it's over that's the end of that's the end of that chapter we have left the European Union with a really reasonable deal and now it's time to think about what do we want in this nation what we want with our connections with Europe and the rest of the world that is a positive and constructive conversation even if people didn't support the original outcome so I think no I think we're going to be in it and I think the whole mood of this nation will change over the next year to one of looking at you looking forwards looking forward and looking to the challenges that we have and looking to solve those challenges but more a sense of togetherness rather than this polarization we've seen over the last 2 or 3 years very much appreciate you talking to us Adam congratulations once again thank you very much thanks so much anger in Windsor m.p. Conservative Adam a freeway back to reading in the reelected Labor m.p. For reading East Mali mats Good morning congratulations to you you must be thrilled because people even earlier tonight were talking about it being a very very knife edge race in reading age between you and the conservative candidate actually you want to handsomely. I'm delighted and somewhat overwhelmed by it all it was very tight or appeared to be very tight at times but obviously the final result was somewhat better for us than we'd expected so very pleased with that what do you put that down to because nationally your parties that have had a dreadful night more come on to that why do you think reading Easters books that trend. I think is part of a wider pattern across London and the southeast and some other parts of the country where in areas which voted heavily to remain are supportive of those seats so you might have seen that we won Putney from the conservatives for a long time has been a Conservative seat we've increased our majority in Canterbury which is one that we held by a very slim majority in 2017 we've held onto other seats like Portsmouth south and the gallery in Wales both quite marginal so in some areas we don't excrete me well and I think that hugely positive for the party obviously I'm very disappointed by the overall picture and in particular what happened in the north of England now I guess I put it to you that you knew that Jeremy Corbin wasn't exactly an electoral asset because people throughout the campaign to show me your leaflets which never mention the words Jeremy or Corbin or carried a photo of him. Have always it only ever done locally flits out of pure simplicity really so back in 20172059 you have at least had leaflets. Relating to me as the candidate but we've put out a lot of national material as well so. I think that's slightly misses the mark to the Ok fair enough that I mean there's been a broad chorus of Labor members of parliament and labor activists saying the problem for Labor this election was not so much bricks it is the leadership is claiming it was the leader people did not want Jeremy Corbin to be prime minister. I think you have to look at the only still emerging evidence from this evening or last night rather and all I can say all I can really comment on several. What I've heard about the reports I've seen in the media and I'm somewhat a little bit behind that because the announcement of the result no one understand and so what I would say is that there's obviously there appears to be a link with breakfast at the moment so in the Northeast for example we had a large swing against us that's an area which overwhelmingly voted to leap in the southeast and London which have particular London but also large parts of southeast like this seat which are evident wildly remain we did actually surprisingly well and increased our majorities in certain areas so I think certain Rexx it has a link to the result whether it's the whole picture I'm not sure yet we're still having results come through but certainly seems to be the overwhelming. Moment from the results we've got available I realize you've been focused on your own count so you may or may not know that Jeremy Corbyn has already announced that he won't continue to lead the Labor Party at least in the long term. Do you think should replace him. I think it's far too early to get into that I'm still just watching tonight's results really in trying to take it all in roll it and you're passionate about remaining in the European Union that's clearly not now going to happen. Well we'll have to see what the full result is at the end of the day but it looks unlikely yes you're right and I think we're looking probably at a Tory majority government and so I expect they will want to try and press ahead with Boris Diaw which obviously I've been very critical of the many but well the overwhelming majority of local people don't agree with Roy But you accept that the majority of the people have voted clearly and decisively for Boris Johnson and for him to to leave the European Union so all this talk about whether the times of change of want to change their opinion since 2016 was all rubbish people do want to leave the European Union and that's that. I would urge a note of caution that we're still seeing results from some of the seats but it seems at the moment as though a majority of seats have been. Won by the conservatives and they're obviously advocating leaving so obviously there's a greater support for that than appeared at certain times Sure and what are your fears for what the impact of us leaving next month will be on people and on businesses in reading. Well the facts are still the same if we leave and to be raving and. Terms Sorry about the noise they're just packing away don't know. That the issue still of the same that Boris has come what is I believe quite a deal which could harm British industry jobs and could harm our country in other ways socially it could harm our country the supply of skilled workers from the you to work in health service or many other key sectors of the economy in a public service is that also be affected so the same issues that are there but we haven't seen need to respect the results of the election All right thank you so much congratulations once again good to talk to you that same at Rada has the reelected Labor Member of Parliament for the reading East constituency 9 minutes past 4 now let's round up the story as it's been unfolding with the Jones thank you very much peachy and Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed he will step down as Labor leader he confirmed the news in his acceptance speech is Lincoln about 30 minutes ago I will not lead the party in any future general election campaign I will discuss with our party to ensure there is a process now of reflection on this result and on the policies that the party will take going forward and I will lead the party during that period to ensure that discussion takes place and we move on into the future. Meanwhile Joe Swinson the Liberal Democrats leader has lost her seat she was predicted to lose it in the exit poll last night the Conservatives meanwhile are on course for a landslide win in the general election results declared so far in line with the exit polls that suggest the Tories could gain around 50 seat giving them a parliamentary majority of around 80 Boris Johnson said he had been given a mandate to govern this One Nation Conservative government has been given a powerful new mandate. To get rich it Dan. And not just to get breaks it down but to unite this country and to take it forward and to focus on the priorities of the British people who babble on the n.h.s. Theresa May more locally has been returned in Maidenhead she got a majority of nearly 19000 but that is about 7000 down on last time she said the results across the country because night is an important night because this is an important election and we are actually seeing our country being set on a clear path forward we have seen through this election that most people in this country just want us to get it sorted and move this country or and that is exactly what. We've just been hearing from Matt Rada the labor m.p. Who is currently comfortably won his seat in reading he's the exit poll had it at a knife edge but Mr Rudd has secured a comfortable majority above all I would like to thank the public for giving me the huge privilege and opportunity of being runts again elected as the m.p. For reading East I'm deeply grateful for that for the support we've had tonight in what has been a very long and difficult election campaign Philip Lay the former Brighton a limp a turn liberal Democrat candidate for working and was somber after it was confirmed that so John Webb would had retained the say tonight working on the people of this constituency decent folk have chosen to support the Conservative candidate across the country many more have done the same you are going to get bricks I have sacrificed much politically to try to stop it I still believe passionately the what the country has voted for the seedling is not in the national interest I firmly believe it and will continue to fight for that because actually that's how a democracy works the reelected m.p. For Basingstoke Maria Miller says Boris Johnson will be a prime minister for the whole country talking to b.b.c. Radio Boxer right after she was re-elected conservative Ms Miller said that the lead up will be welcoming all strands of her party conservative party's always been a broad church and we always will be. And I've named Boris Johnson and what with him ever since I was m.p. 1st elected in 2005 and I know him to be as very much a One Nation Conservative he always has been may not always be the way he's been painted in the media and I think people will start to see the truth or is Johnson coming through the daughter of Michael McNair Wilson who was the local in Pena brief for a number of years has won her father's seat tonight Laura Ferris is now the conservative m.p. For Newbury He says the Boris Johnson will now reshape the political conversation he said that he's a liberal conservative and with the majority of the prime minister's going to be able to I think really really restate that moderate one nation conservative kind of ethos and I'm really looking forward to being part of a team going to leave Laura Ferris than the ramp either to take you to the river meet and the reading West declaration for any West you hereby give notice of the number of votes recorded for each candidate said the election is as follows Adrian Rachel clad Labor uncooperative Party 20276 votes with was the birth of the call no Mary Liberal Democrats to stop breaks it 4460 votes. A lock out the Conservative Party candidate 24393 vote was to of which James Marcus Richard the Green Party 1263 vote. The number of ballot papers rejected was as follows for the candidates in the voters and type b. 32 being totally void from certainty 148 the electorate 74137 ballot papers issued 50500. In $72.00 the turnout was 68.2 percent and I do hereby declare. Julie elected. Chairman of the international development secretary reelected as the reading. When hear from him now the rhythm the leisure center telling off so can I start by thanking you and indeed all your staff of the really hard work you've done over the last few weeks and of course the count this evening but I want to really pay tribute to the people of reading West. For the faith that they have placed in me for the 4th time a general election I will do everything I can. To repay the trust that has been placed in me I am. I'm seeing across the country that we have got conservatives winning in seats that we have not won before it's a really quite remarkable night that we are seeing and I think the tribute for that must go to the prime minister Boris Johnson. And it is down to his tenacity and the fact that he wanted the country to see that we were going to respect the outcome of a democratic referendum as well as the fact that we're putting forward a really positive message a One Nation concerted message in terms of bringing the country together in terms of delivering on public services but also keeping our economy strong and that is what is resonated across the country today I would also like to create tribute and thank all the fantastic people who've helped me get elected course my mom and dad my wife who is there wave. To all the friends so many of you who have helped over the last few weeks to my agent Gabby and of course. Of course it is the case that the work that you do as a member of parliament the reputation you build isn't something that's done over a matter of few weeks it's something that is built over a matter of years and I want to pay particular tribute to my parliamentary staff to Jessica who leads that staff both in reading and in parliament and also to Tom and Sr and Samara Lizzie for all the fantastic hard work that they have done together with me to serve the people of reading west over the last 9 years. We will see where the results end up across the country it looks like it's going to be a very good night for the conservatives but of course what we will be doing if indeed we form the next government is to govern for the whole country that is incredibly important thank you. So I want Sharma of the year reelected member of parliament from running west this is going to be Rachel Edam the defeated Labor candidate in reading West me my 1st wish my congratulations to Alex Sharma for the incredible privilege that he has to continue to represent me and indeed the people operating West Coasters one time other fellow candidates Mary a colonel in to me with him who have shown it is possible to disagree courteously and with respect I want to thank all the people who helped to run the election and to make sure that democracy happened and I want to thank my mazing volunteers I have been in awe of your dedication and commitment to our cause. I can mention you all but I have to mention my organizers early and I think you have been wonderful to work with and I'm very proud of you. I have to thank you and he was well it's been my agent my fellow candidates today a true com 8. And my strategist my best friend and my partner Richard you've been with me every 2nd best thank you. I am so proud to have served you can do that so all of you who work for this remember this about this campaign we stood on a positive honest agenda and the things that we fought for Don't Stop being important because of this result we believe in investment in our communities and sensible resolution to practice it and to really seriously tackle the climate emergency this is the world and the reading West that we are seeking to build this is the change that I want to be part of bringing that change doesn't happen solely because of want to lection or not happen so deep because of want to lection it happens because as we say in Whitley we were all year every year to make that happen. Thank you I want to thank want a few people to feel that that's a world for being part of that change and thank you particularly to the labor and the co-operative parties and everybody to for me for giving me the opportunity to stand what I believe in and to stand for voting West I will always park community 1st thanking. I'm going to have a merry O'Connell they defeated liberal Democrat candidate in reading West. I just want to thank all of it's just by us you're wonderful and I have sadly no doubt that we're going to be doing this all again very very thing and I'm down by. 419 so from the river me leisure center back to Alan running from the University College London Department of Politics here with me in the studio so we got the running west result there was a slightly increased majority for a lot of Sharma Yeah he went up from about 3000 votes last time to about 4000 votes that was mainly because the labor vote share actually went down a bit in reading West in sharp contrast to going up a bit noting it's Hugh Grant made no difference who don't campaigning in running west on Monday this week that appears to have made no difference. I think we can safely say that again you and we also had beckons field while a lot of us gusty trysting was a Dominic Grieve seat from from last time you know no longer allowed to run as a Tory and he lost haven't seen the full numbers from that yet I mean it wasn't expected that he would manage to hold on in constituency but he did have Hugh Grant out there backing for him. During the campaign but he. Has not managed to hold on to his beckons fealty constituency Donald Trump has been tweeting Hang on everybody Donald Trump has tweeted he just looks like a big win for Boris in the u.k. Says Donald Trump on Twitter he's clearly following all this from somewhere other right to reason may be conservative candidate now reelected conservative from Maidenhead former prime minister has been talking from account in Maidenhead to my colleague Andrew Neil Well I'm very pleased that the majority. Has achieved what does this does the essential thing which I think that many people. Lead how they voted at this election which is enabling us to have a parliament that is go. Going to have with a majority government the ability to take decisions and crucially the ability to get the black specks of legislation through so we can get it sorted get it done and move the country on and then focus on those many other priorities that people want government to focus on and say Today basis but my question was why did you lose your majority and why did he gain a substantial one Well Andrew I thought I'd sort of given you the answer in what I've just said which is that actually this election I think people were faced with a very clear choice about whether or not they wanted to ensure that breaks it was delivered and they knew that if a conservative majority government got in the we would deliver Grex it every conservative candidate signed up to support the deal and to get that legislation through that through by the 31st of January that was a very clear choice for a lot of people this election was about ensuring that we could get over this deadlock in Parliament and could actually get it done and move on is it realistic your new view that Mr Johnson can the comprehensive free trade deal with the e.u. In 11 months. Yes because actually an awful lot of work on that has already been done it was done in the original set of negotiations it's in the political declaration that sits alongside that with all agreement that will form obviously the core of that with all agreement bill that will be before parliament so a lot of work has already been done and with the will on both sides to ensure that we can now deliver on that future relationship the negotiation on the future relationship yes it is possible the Scottish National Party or the other big victors tonight they have swept Scotland on a manifesto calling for a 2nd Scottish referendum I would you advise the prime minister to handle them. Well I think it's very simple I would advise him to continue taking the position that he has done which was the position that I took which is that the Scottish National Party themselves said in 2040 that that referendum about Scottish independence was a once in a generation indeed a once in a lifetime referendum and therefore they should accept that result and of course we all know that it is in Scotland's economic interests for them to be part of the United Kingdom but in that Scottish referendum in 2014 people like you also told the Scots that the surest way of staying inside the European Union was to remain in the United Kingdom I didn't quite work out that way another voting for a party that wants a 2nd referendum because there's a material change England voted to leave the e.u. Scotland did not vote to leave the e.u. So why should you deny them a 2nd referendum. But independence for Scotland would not mean them being staying in the European Union it was made very clear at the time of the independence referendum that if Scotland became independent they would not be a member of the European Union. But let them vote if that's the case let them vote even if they know that let them vote I mean the cut the cunt Scotland England are deeply provided you cannot have a constitutional standoff simply say no you can't have another vote. You know I was prime minister I spent quite a time in the House of Commons being questioned by. And they have one if you own one it was about independence actually if you look at what has happened in Scotland where they are in government their educational system has deteriorated under the government they have problems with their National Health Service actually I think it's time the us and focused on the day to day issues on the job of governing in Scotland and stop simply pushing this single issue of independence to reason with Andrew Neil from Maidenhead having been reelected as the Maidenhead m.p. For 25 election night b.b.c. Radio boxer with Andrew peach good to have your company running he's here as well we're just seeing the conservatives having one in Stoke on Trent Central which I think I'm right in saying is one of the most leave areas of the country I think will be as good to the most voted most heavily to leave of anywhere Yes so as to Stoke on Trent central how to leave 65 percent so not the most leave a bit of stoke the other 2 seats in Stoke where both over 70 percent leave it but still pretty high leave and another of those Labor M.P.'s Gary Snell who had. Reconciled himself to Briggs it because he thought that was the best way to represent the fuse of his constituents but that has not been enough to save him in this night of the conservatives making these extraordinary grain gains in traditional labor areas we've had various other results in over the little last little while another of the seats that the conservatives have won that noteworthy I think is Durham North West but not many people in Berkshire might think about Durham North West but the constituency of Laura Peacock an interesting yes because she'd been tipped as a potential future Labor leader exactly so very much one of the favorites from the carbon Easter wing of the Labor party but she will not be in the running having. Lost her constituency meantime Jess Phillips who's being tipped by many as a future Labor leader definitely not from the carbon he's doing of the party has just won in Birmingham Yardley the concern is it won back Kensington its books like a very very close outcome there majority of 130 the conservatives of one back Kensington which sure surprised everyone by being won by a local party and 2017 The Tories have just won it back and that very much reflects a split in the remain vote between Labor who were just as you say a 150 votes behind the conservatives and the Lib Dems who had quite a substantial chunk of the vote there a similar passion we saw just a few moments ago in Wimbledon where the conservatives held on there was a majority of 600 over the Liberal Democrats but the votes were. 20300 for the conservatives 900704 the Liberal Democrats 12500 for the Labor party so we are seeing a number of constituencies in London Wimbledon cities of London Westminster earlier Kensington as well where the conservatives have been able to benefit from the split the split and the remain vote that was some GMO the former Conservative minister who was standing for the Liberal Democrats in Kensington done rather well the Lib Dem vote was up massively but still came 3rd in the constituency just led to the conservatives managing to win it again yes and of course a few hours ago it was thought that these kinds of results in these constituencies could make a huge difference to the result given that the conservatives have had such a massive victory across the country as a whole the fact that there are 3 or 4 constituencies where the the remain vote might have won had it United hasn't actually changed who has won this election we before we have a flurry of low. Result we were learning as probably an hour ago now that Joe Swinson the Liberal Democrat leader has lost her own seat in the Scottish constituency of East Dunbartonshire Here's some of what she had to say tonight we have seen that it is likely that Boris Johnson is on course to get a majority and it is clearly a good night for the s.n.p. . Some will be celebrating the wave of nationalism that is sweeping on both sides of the border and I do congratulate all those who are newly elected. These are very significant results for the future of our country and I will be making further remarks later today. But let me say no for millions of people in our country. These results will bring dread and dismay and people are looking for hope. I still believe that we as a country can be warm and generous inclusive and open and that by working together with our nearest neighbors we can achieve so much more liberal Democrat will continue to stand up for these values that are liberal movement openness fairness inclusive. We will stand up for hope. Joe Swinson the Liberal Democrat leader had to say at her count having lost her own seat in East back to reading back to the room the leisure center the reelected conservative m.p. For reading West the international development secretary Elke Sharma morning I want morning Andrew Congratulations on being reelected you must be pleased because you're majority is not massive in reading West. No it's not only gone up a tad but you know it's always been a marginal seat as you know and I think it's one of those seats you you love to comment on and enjoy watching it every election so as I said I mean the majority has gone up a tad I'm certainly not complacent I hope that I would be able to repay the trust it's been placed on me once again by the people reading West by working hard for them and the increase in your majorities in reflective of what's happened across the country where the Conservative campaign has built support for Boris Johnson perhaps for the idea of leaving the European Union in a few weeks absolutely when I think that the Prime Minister's was very clear in terms of this campaign of course it was about respecting the outcome of the referendum and that's resonated with people up and down the country but then also be very clear that we were talking about more investment in public services in the n.h.s. In schools more police and I think that again is something that's resonated but at the same time making clear that we wanted to maintain a strong economy and actually get more value added jobs into the economy Roy I mean took to an extent what I learned by coming to feel to see you there but to get all the constituencies as well as well some people were enthusiastic about Boris Johnson for as many people he was putting them off just perhaps not putting them off as much as Jeremy Corbin was Well look I think let's see where the results end up but I mean if the exit poll that came out from the b.b.c. Earlier this evening is anywhere near correct I think Boris Johnson absolutely would have been given a huge vote of confidence by the country and then it is up to us collectively as a party for the deed for the next government to govern for the whole country. What do you understand the plan to be now your back in Parliament next week and I think there's going to be a sort of Florrie of excitement of a Queen's speech a vote on the Boris Johnson Bracks a deal before Christmas isn't. Well I think that's what I have. Reported I'm sure when we get back of the next day or so and all become clear but there is no doubt in the promise has been very clear about this is that we need to sort of get on with the whole bricks issue I think we said in the campaign itself that we wanted to get this done by the end of January and so I expect that will be the timetable do you keep your job is international development secretary as far as you know. That's not really up to me and I know the Prime Minister but you know if you know what we'll see No I don't know I don't know I've I mean I've just got reelected. I don't know but we'll i mean all that I think is for the for the coming days I'm very pleased to be reelected and I'm going to spend a little bit of time with my friends and supporters in a short not alcoholic celebration this morning absolutely I appreciate you talking to us thank you very much indeed I want to thank you that's the newly elected member of Parliament for running west the International Development Secretary I want Sharma now to the reelected concert event before Hampshire ne Randall joy award in a good morning good morning Andrew congratulations good to have you with us he must be very pleased Well it's really great news. Rather humbling that. Trust me time in less than 5 years but the big task ahead which is. Just to get it done to move on to people's priorities mean social. Putting money into getting police on the streets supporting our schools and getting money to the frontline about. What people want to get on and do but I mean I don't rehash all the arguments of the campaign but this money that you're putting into the police with more officers that you're putting in the health service with more nurses you're just reversing cuts that your own policy is made in recent years. Is that you don't want to rehash the campaign but let's do that right now because you know we do need to remember where we have come from the Labor Party when they were last in government almost bankrupted this country we were land of the huge black hole in our budget massive deficit every year we've cut the deficit and we've grown the economy by 20 percent because of that work that the Bush people put in the tough decision because it's taken but now it isn't that we can spend the money people want us to in the value of public services like the police that's what we're going to get on and do it but we can't do that until Parliament can refocus its attention away from breakfast and that's why it's so important to get wrecked. By the 31st January and that's what we're going to get on and do someone said the other day that this is this is a 1992 moment for the conservatives yes he won now but if you do leave the European Union is in a few weeks as I'm sure will happen we could very quickly be into a period of economic difficulty where the conservatives will quickly become unpopular. Well look we are working to make sure that Britain prosperous in the years ahead we are a great country we can be great still but we will only do that unite our people unite this country and Anyway we're going to do that if we get bricks it done must be hard to get your head around the idea of having a majority government because it hasn't happened on the conservative side while you've been Impala money doesn't happen on the conservative side in this level since 987 when Margaret Thatcher was prime minister along with 14 years old well people have put their trust in the conservative to answer Usenet and just to repay that trust and you know we set out a One Nation visions of Britain in the manifesto a vision that not only support public services but massive investment into our infrastructure so that we can really make sure we are match fit for the 21st century as a global trading nation and there is a real prospect ahead there are real prospects of economic prosperity ahead but we've got to take you know that decision to get President right now so we can refocus our attention and you know as Alex said that's what we turning our attention to next week before Christmas in the House of Commons we need to really work this hard when you get it done but such as genuine then we can move on that's what the people want that's what they voted for today and that's what we've now got going on and Boris Johnson be putting his top team together possibly right now I've got a phone on. Well I'm speaking to you I'll get off immediately my ring and thank you very much indeed for talking to us congratulations once more Ronald joy a warden of the reelected concert event before Hampshire ne Let's get the headlines now for 37 years on the Jones thank you page 2 Jeremy Corbin's confirmed he won't lead the Labor party into another general election the exit polls suggested that Labor would take an estimated 190 seats that's down more than 70 from the 2017 poll will be Labor's worst performance in terms of seats since 1935 Theresa May have been returned in Maidenhead she's got a majority of nearly 900000 but that is about 7000 down on last time conservatives are John Redwood has defeated Philip lead to retain his seat in Woking and held on to the seat since 1970 Labor m.p. Tan Desi says he's won in slouch by painting the town red and said he will work to make the town proud of him in Hampshire Ne Win or share wouldn't you just heard from has taken the seat it's a Tory stronghold secured with over 20000 majority James Sunderland has been re-elected the can of right been elected the conservative m.p. For Brighton or increasing the majority of his predecessor And finally Ed I'm afraid has been reelected as the m.p. For Windsor thank you very much indeed on the b.b.c. Radio Barker with Andrew preach good morning c.b.c. Radio Bob Schieffer and you'll be auction you Bob's your stores talking to all Sharma and Ronald joy Warner reelected his local Conservative M.P.'s and running what else has been happening while we now have $539.00 of the constituency results across across the board counting every vote indeed the vast majority of $650.00 seats have been announced now we have had so few things that happened a while ago that we didn't manage to mention that a thinker were worth noting so several hours ago we talked about the possible possibility that Yvette Cooper might lose her seat up or. West Yorkshire she did not use it so she held on to that one she could still be the next Labor leader on the both of them some was going to have to be the next let Labor leader certainly. We have had various kind of weird results it's very striking that all 4 of the big parties so the conservatives labor the Liberal Democrats and the s.n.p. Every one of them has lost some seats and won some seats so even the s.n.p. Which is you know making all of these gains across Scotland managed to lose a seat. To the Liberal Democrats while of course gaining the seat from Joe since and so. We see the fact that breaks it is reshaping the map of the electoral map of the u.k. But we also see that the inevitable local factor is the degree to which particular candidates are popular or unpopular the effectiveness of local campaigns have these quite particular effects on the ground that always surprise us in the early hours of the morning so the concert is now have $290.00 seats in the actual results declared once they get to 3 to 6 hours looks extremely likely they will have won the election officially rather than just on the basis of forecasts and predictions and all of that but we're not only too far away from that I wouldn't think. Yes indeed so next few minutes I reckon it's the numbers as the numbers are still going up quite quickly as we speak so yes we'll probably get over that threshold fairly soon and then we'll just see just how big a majority of Boris Johnson manages to gather for 41 let's go back to mewe brain Laura Ferris is one of the new M.P.'s we have in our area the newly elected conservative m.p. From new Brianne after Richard Benny in the last Parliament 1st rebelled then lost the Tory weapon he was given it back decided not to stand this time that means we have a new maybe m.p. In Laura Farrah's this is what she said shortly after she'd been elected it is always the case that pregnancy is an issue that has divided the nation and it has also to find misconceptions but one of the things I did hear again and again on the doorstep however. Was a sense that the referendum results should be respected and I'm glad that the prime minister has a majority with which to do that and more than anything else that we can. Get back to that matter to the people of the South that are out of this it's. Just for home in the footsteps of riches that he was a great public servant. Thank you Ok. And finally. I made follow the footsteps of my dad that. Everything was actually about public service. During my childhood what. I saw as I said in my selection speech I saw. I saw him when he was very. Building the community and I saw him taking on projects that. Impression on me and the last thing I would say is that I was very much a great moderate One Nation Conservative. And I've always thought conservatism that. Moderate conservatives so I look forward to the moderate. Is Laura fine speaking of the race course and this is Laura far speaking to me a few minutes later it feels like it made a case it's been incredibly intense I may say and I'm going to have to kind of go home and sleep and reflect think about it but I'm thrilled I'm really evidently more interested in elections also stems from being a very small child where my dad used to be a returning officer and I used to be really fascinated by all the detail and you know I get to the sometimes I fiddle around with the ballot boxes and all that kind of stuff and I've been absolutely immersed in the detail of them ever since so did the sort of formative influences do loss right into our. They really do yeah they really do. And this is actually an election where if you're a detail I think is going to be quite a lot to get into I think from what I've been sort of seeing coming through on my phone see off to see where you know traditional results are being appended and there's going to be quite a lot of scrutiny of the swing in the characters and so on. I mean are you looking forward to getting stuck in at Westminster and I suspect will be quite a different Paul meant from all the gridlock and rancor we've got used to Seems 27 team will now have a prime minister with the biggest majority that anyone's had since 2005 the biggest Tory majority since 987 who really can govern as he wishes and rely on the support of people like yourself to vote his measures through important. Yeah I think I mean I think it is you know I have to say something that I am far more positive about now that we have a majority and I think what you can probably expect to see Flora's Johnson is much of the kind of leadership he saw when he was mayor of London he's referred to that basin when he was making his pitch to be prime minister but also during this election campaign. He said that he's a liberal conservative and with the majority that it looks like he might achieve tonight the prime minister is going to be able to I think really really restate that moderate one nation conservative kind of ethos and I'm really looking forward to being part of his team that will be implementing the manifesto I think what you're saying in a roundabout kind of ways he'll no longer be in hock to the people on the right of the party in the way that the reason may have to be because she needed their vote. And so tired I release her talk again rambling on no no. No no no I'm not criticising I'm just sort of I'm trying to get the bottom of what you mean I think you mean Boris Johnson won't need the support of the members of the on the right of the policy and therefore he won't need to listen quite so much to them as his previous. I think what I what I mean by that is that when any prime minister has a clear majority they can really govern as they wish for example you saw that with Tony Blair and after 1907 there were people in his party he may not have really identified with his new labor brand but yet such were the numbers that he could be a bold reforming prime minister and I think that Boris Johnson prime minister Boris Johnson will have exactly the same opportunity but not quite that level of majority but really pretty close. You've talked about how you came to be loyal to Boris Johnson did do you have a real sense of the BRICs that Boris Johnson won't because he's very good at telling people what they want to hear he had to get himself elected boy body members 1st of all. Parliament to contend with and now he's had the election campaign to do you know exactly where he stands on this crucial issue. I can't give you any more that is than than what's in the manifesto because I haven't been any part of the the top team but I you know now that he's pulled the rabbit from the hat and got the withdrawal agreement with the backstop which he produced in the autumn I have no doubt that the next stage will will not be for us to leave off a cliff in January 20202021 I should say I think he will be now moving mountains to get a free trade deal across the line in the next 12 months I'm absolutely expecting him to do that I'm sure he'll try but I think you know with a majority one example of something you can now do without any fear is that if you call do it in 11 months he'll be able to extend beyond the end of 2020 no want to be at a stop or when it won't be a big fuss. About but I think that the manifesto says otherwise but look you are correct with the man with the majority any prime minister has freedom in the way that they conduct government I wouldn't expect him to be crossing a manifesto red light but on the other hand I do think that this is now you know frankly the brakes come off the prime minister and he's going to be able. To lead the country. In that direction I think you probably always wished that he may not be able to have his election didn't get his way Laura Ferris the newly elected conservative m.p. For new Bri we haven't mentioned Hampshire Northwest's yet let's do that now Kid Malthouse has been reelected as the conservative m.p. And Hampshire northwest with a massive majority Kit Malthouse getting 36591 votes his nearest rival the Liberal Democrat candidate Luigi Grigory with 10283 with a majority of 26026000 is that just become the safest Tory seat in area I think it might have done Alan running. To crunch those numbers for the majority have been caught and therefore I don't think they'll be many with him with a majority of 26000 maybe not but it is certainly a very handsome and convincing win for Kit Malthouse in Hampshire Northwest Yes it's like a smaller majority actually than last time that in every vote share has gone up a bit No sorry the Labor vote share has gone desolate have gone for 2nd place in to 3rd place so no actually he previously had a smaller majority over labor and now he has. Only 6000 over the what I mean literally over the Lib Dems Yes 10 to 5 in the morning our election results program with Andrew peach here on b.b.c. Radio Bar show we heard from Laura Ferris who's one of our new m P's conservative m.p. For a new breed here is the other one James Sunderland who's the new conservative for the Brattle constituency quite clearly people are sick of the do that with the we had a clear mandate 2016 to get rich done that hasn't happened Boris Johnson off that it's just manifesto and we've taken it. And I and the reason is the fact that the country simply isn't ready for a hard left government and you know the result been the case that here certainly in Britain right now you just heard before I came to you Philip your predecessor maintaining his view that BRICs it will be very bad for people and businesses in Britain I know you don't agree with that. No I just wish Philip Lee would accept the result of the referendum for the 60 and fully democratic mandate we've got another mandate now and we need to go forward and I personally think that leaving your opinion is the right thing to do I fit your prejudices and offer. Are amazing and you know we are going to do a great trade deal with the European Union as well as have the opportunity of trading worldwide and that's very exciting and I think we will be such an international community with so many international companies based here I think it's a win win do you think there are any risks of the then the next phase of BRICs it after we leave presume been a few weeks we've got to do a trade deal with the Europe from outside the block in quicker time than has ever been achieved anywhere on earth as far as we know. Well I think we've proven in the last couple of years that we can do business with the European Union Boris Johnson . Reopen the withdrawal agreement in a very short space of time and I'm pretty confident what I will say of course is that it's a partnership we are part of Europe but not going to be governed by Europe and why wouldn't Europeans want to do the deal with us I mean we are net importer of European Union goods and I think it's very positive what's on the table and I don't see why we construct a very good deal very quickly James Sunderland the new conservative m.p. For Britain all speaking to me a little bit earlier all our local results are in we have people turning the radio on joining us all the time now early in the morning the morning after the election thinking what's happened well and we still don't have an absolute cast iron election result but it looks all but certain that the conservatives have not only won the general election but are going to do so with a very convincing majority round here no changes politically we do have 2 new Conservative M.P.'s after Richard Benyon stood down in New Britain finitely defected to the Lib Dems in Brighton all but there are no changes so we still have to Labor Members of Parliament in reading East and in. On the other seats around here held by the conservatives what else of the unfolding national picture Alan relic. So we have continuing interesting variation across different parts of the country across the country as a whole we pretty clearly have substantial conservative majority but. If you look for example at marriage the side mostly side remains labor Fortress America side has not shifted in the direction of the Conservative party where as Stoke just down the road one of our great old traditional manufacturing towns is now entirely represented by conservatives. Extraordinary shift from and this was the strategy was in the Johnson dominant coming strategy was that the Conservatives would win the election if they could win working class towns and cities in the middle and the north it always felt somehow such a long shot because you're talking about people voting Conservative in sufficient numbers in areas that have never been represented by a conservative member of parliament that's exactly what's happened yes as so we're seeing the conservatives picking up seats in old mining areas around the northeast one of the very 1st results within Blythe Valley one of the great traditional mining seats in the northeast. And across the towns not so much the cities but the towns of the north and the black country and in the West Midlands we have seen the conservatives taking seats that they have not held since before the 2nd World War which is you know the strategy coming good whether the conservatives can hold these seats in the future or when it's not all about achieving Brix it which seems to be the the motivating force one people have decided to vote for the conservative this time is anyone's guess and I guess perhaps how it goes in there you know 4 or 5 years probably before the next general election so there's an awful lot of events to unfold between Mehlman Yes there's a lot of breaks to be. Done between now and then and when no breaks it had Johnson had his phrase get breaks it done we know that in a sense that will happen as a result of this election on the 31st of January but we also know there's a whole ton of negotiating to be done around the form of our future relationship with the e.u. And any possible trade deals we might do with other parts of the world and you know Boris Johnson has promised a break that will bring many wonderful things to the people who have voted for him today many many economists in particular would say he's not going to be deluded be able to deliver on all of those promises so we'll see maybe he can but he has a lot to prove b.c. Really about if you let your phone handy the social media video of the night look it up is Nicholas sturgeon the s.n.p. Leader reacting to Joe Swinson the Lib Dem leader losing her seat to an s.n.p. Candidate in East Dumbarton sure you can see the hilarious reaction of Nicholas sturgeon the s.n.p. Leader if you search it up on on Twitter or on your social media platform you'll enjoy it I suspect it's 5 to 5 in Basingstoke Maria Miller the former culture secretary has been reelected as the local m.p. This is what she said I think in Basingstoke today people have made a clear choice about not just the way that they want to see our Bara go forward a constituency go forward but the way they want to see the whole country go forward that we want to get Bracks it done that we want to move on to really tackling the things that matter to us here in Basingstoke and I think the decision that's been made is loud and clear and I'd like to thank the people of Basingstoke for showing such making such a decision and making sure that I can go back to Parliament to represent them again and I'm very grateful for that opportunity thank you and here's one more e-mail told me on the program shortly afterwards it's a great result here in Basingstoke we got almost 30000 votes and now. 40000 majority so it's a real real date of confidence I think in the Conservative manifesto and what we stand for here in basing state and the fact we've not only got obviously a conservative member of parliament but a fantastic Conservative council too and I think that's a real vote of confidence in the way the conservatives are running Basingstoke at every level of government and we're going to see is now leave the European Union in weeks. Yes Well this is what we heard time and time again on the doorstep that people felt very let down that they voted in a referendum 3 years ago whether they voted leave or remain but that nothing had actually happened as a result of that and I think that really did mate of 8 many people to go out to vote today as I say whether they voted leave or remain they thought it was important to get the referendum result recognised and very resoundingly result today in Basingstoke very resoundingly support for Boris Johnson as prime minister with his agenda to leave the e.u. By the to put the withdrawal agreement in place and then leave the e.u. By the end of the year put on was going to be some level of cabinet reshuffle tomorrow if there's a vacancy for a culture secretary Maria are you available. I'm very happy to be m.p. For Basingstoke right now and at 3 in the morning I think that's as far as my ambitions will get and keep the phone on just in case. Do you do you have a sense of what what sort of Boris what sort of Boris Johnson we're going to get now he has a majority and doesn't have to worry about getting support from these people or those people he can just do what he believes in. Conservative parties always been a broad church and we always will be and I've known Boris Johnson and worked with him ever since I was m.p. 1st elected in 2005 and I know him to be very much a One Nation Conservative he always has been may not always be the way he's been painted in the media and I think people will start to see the true Boris Johnson coming through really being prime minister and leader of our party for the whole party and I'm really looking forward to that and I think people you know people have really really warmed to him in this general election and that's why the results are coming through as they are and in really winning in places we haven't won for generations Maria Miller talking to me a little earlier after regaining her seat for the conservatives in Basingstoke Alan relic from u.c.l. Is here with me right the way through to 10 o'clock in the morning the Tories have again in Birmingham which of the Birmingham seats is it Gary summer of the 1st conservative m.p. One of the Birmingham seats for 20 years so I haven't seen that actually I would guess it's probably Birmingham Northfield which is the constituency that they are most likely to win we'll come back to that in a 2nd show also looking Luciana Birger has failed to win the seat that she was standing in for the Liberal Democrats. Golders Green which I believe has been held by the conservatives So yes the she was standing in this constituency which was held by the conservatives over labor it's the constituency with the largest Jewish share of the vote in the u.k. And of course given the concerns about anti-Semitism within the Labor Party there was a sense that. That would be a prime opportunity for. The Liberal Democrats to pick up opposition both to Bragg's it and to the Labor Party in that constituency and. I'm looking on the b.b.c. Website which doesn't get young. The number is and that's how many of the Tories of one there eventually in Golders Green Luciana Birger therefore won't be an m.p. In the next parliament and actually might have been a contender to the Liberal Democrat leader had she been there but it is pretty tricky if you're not indeed and the same of course applies to choke a murderer who lost also didn't as now. And that is a Davey on the other hand has won his has held his seat so he'd be in pole position you'd think to be the next Labor Democrat leader wouldn't you yes. They went of terribly many people who have served before and haven't previously been a leader Tim Farron has been reelected in his seat in Cumbria. He's got to go. He's already had to go. There are very few Lib Dems it's with much Lib Dem M.P.'s with much experience left Tom breakers another one with quite a lot of experience who might well lose his seat. So there seems to be a bit of a shift in where the Lib Dems have seats which means that they're very inexperienced. B.b.c. Radio 5 o'clock in the morning and the morning after the night before we're waiting for the official moment where we can tell you the conservatives have got to the 3 to 6 targeting of their For one this general election it's no doubt coming very shortly Do stay with us want a 4 point one lens 95.4 percent on digital radio and on b.b.c. Sounds you see radio while the results declare become so does currently on 319 seats very close to the majority they've been working for and will surely get as we move through the morning it's a view on b.b.c. Radio Boucher let's run up the story so far nationally and locally election 29 team is on the Jones as we speak the conservatives are just 7 seats away from a majority and are on course for a comfortable victory in the Commons they are making big gains from labor and tearing down its so-called red wall in the north of England forecasts of the Tories will have an overall majority of $76.00 The Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn has retained his seating but says he won't lead the party into the next election I will not lead the party in any future general election campaign I will discuss with our party. To ensure there is a process now of reflection on this result and on the policies that the party will take going forward and I will lead the party during that period to ensure that discussion takes place and we move on into the future speaking to b.b.c. Radio back Shirley or Martin Salter the former Labor m.p. For reading West says the Jeremy Corbyn has undone a lot of the progress made in the party during the years before Mr Corbyn took over frankly from the moment Jeremy Colvin was elected which all those lessons we learn now I have seen people and they'll kill a charcoal on the hard left on the militant drag labor back to a position of electability stablished reputation for a party of economic competence and it really looked like Labor hood back from oblivion and to see all that frittered away in a few short years is very very heartbreaking tan Dessie has been reelected as m.p. For he says that given the overall result for his party Labor now is a time for reflection within the party and I think now as a as a movement as a Labor Party to take stock that despite having a transformative policies a progressive agenda that we and our policies were not acceptable to the British public as they stand at the moment so therefore I think it's disappointing reflection and once we've taken stock then point back starts to ensure that we have a Labor government in the very near future 3 Some May the m.p. For Maidenhead said that there was a clear message that the country has sent to Westminster people were asked with a very clear choice about whether or not they wanted to ensure that Bracks it was delivered and that is a conservative majority government got in that we would deliver Grex it every conservative candidate signed up to support the deal and to get that legislation through that wrecks it through by the 31st of January that was a very clear choice for a lot of people this. Election was about ensuring that we could. This deadlock parliament and actually get. Another I'm afraid house regain his seat in Windsor for the conservatives he says it's now time to move forward people have come to a judgment and it's a pretty looks like it's a pretty clear judgment it's time to move on and I think that is an opportunity for us as a nation with Boris Johnson as prime minister to now seal that arrangement and to make sure that anybody from any background of any persuasion from any part of the United Kingdom actually feels that we are together again trying to forge stronger connections with the world and in the time that I've been doing this bullet in the Conservatives are now just 2 declarations away from that majority b.b.c. Radio with Andrew page. B.b.c. Radio Barger So we're surely going to be able to tell you the official results of the general election of 29 team mean time we're getting the declaration that I was mentioning just before the music and gold screen where Luciana Birger who defected from Labor to the Liberal Democrats was trying to win the seat but has fallen not only short but well short actually 7000 seats or 6 and a half 1000 seats short of.
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Later Christmas already would be a busy one for the road trip a call the midwife or we're going to the hotel it reduces things we do to promote the health of it is a bit of drama on Albert Square someone must've been frustrated to the struggle of the falling into the Christmas festival fun with Michael McIntyre. Was covered and there Gavin and Stacey cooking to. Peaceful. Christmas on c.b.c. This is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on the b.b.c. Sounds 5 yard drive with our foster I'm sorry let's say good evening welcome to drive on the day after the night before last night's was a historic nights in British politics and I still digesting it here I'm out of foster I mean Stockton south in the northeast of England just one of the c.t.f. Which turned believe there was some way that the last night if you were watching those 1st results trickle in the very 1st hit came with valley which turned from Labor to conservative early last night one of those moments where you get a collective gasp This is a coal mining community the kind of place where the all those passed on labor voting to Soames mothers to do it says the red runs through people's blood and yet the balloon way has swept through the bill they see slight Northwest while lower paid called the labor m.p. Who lost his seat was to to be a feature of the Conservative party places like red card but the steelworks closed down in 2015 states and mating the town that happened under a Conservative government and to date red card has a conservative m.p. And places like they stopped in South where I used to live and what is really useful tonight is that this part of the country doesn't necessarily have any any affection any. Relationship with the Conservative Party I have my children in hospital which is where you go if you live here eighties old it has seen better days it was supposed to be replaced but the replacement was one of the 1st big infrastructure projects that was cancelled by the coalition government in 2010 people here have known conservative bad times they will tell you that and yes . And yet yesterday they went out in that drives and they voted for the Conservative party boy is that I've been here on the streets all day today since the dark and the cold at 7 o'clock this morning and people have told me 2 things one they don't feel the Labor Party under Jeremy cool been. Represented to many people it didn't feel like Labor heartland politics to them anymore and also Bracks they don't get hit the breaks it by saying area people need to see bricks that delivered and the message that simple message from Boris Johnson repeated over and over again the rights they get breaks they've done that cut through here and I don't think even the Conservative Party themselves believes that they would wake up this morning and seeing the balloons sweeping across the map a.f. In the Northeast and the way it has never done before. Yes I am a ditto here in Burma really decades of political history of going out the window but John Jones was the m.p. Here from 59 to 7920 years pay to park followed him from 83 to a one a team his library pays it held the seat since apart from a very brief hiatus for the Liberal Democrat side something I today have not heard in 10 years at 5 Live you know those phrases you don't hear of 5 live on the bus and I'll get around on a warning sign and there's nothing happening at Clark Atlanta services you never hear those things today I was in my car heading to Westminster heading to the railway station and they rang and said stop the car turning around the store is not in Westminster it's in Burnley So that's why I'm home in my local pub the personally because personally he's gone but the only blue button is in the football shirt car a blue Burnley's gone blue for the 1st time in a 109 years we're going to hear. From the guy who took it from Labor very short yeah we're going to hear on the program tonight is Tony saying what it's like to be a surprise new and pay out Will he was well. About what it's like to lose your seat your job and the place that you grew up the place that you love when people just don't vote for you anymore really getting into the skin of it for you tonight here on Dr I don't 650 seats have now been declared the conservatives have ended up with 365 of them a chance late to a majority of a.c.i.m. This morning it might have Boris Johnson went to Buckingham Palace where the Queen asked him to form the next government it and attend to Downing Street at about 3 o'clock this afternoon where he spoke to the country in these moments often said the time for a Prime Minister's time in office say hey we disempower this morning I I went to Buckingham Palace and I am forming a new government and on Monday M.P.'s will arrive at Westminster to form a new parliament and I'm proud to say that members of a new one nation government a people's government will sit tight from constituencies that have never returned a conservative m.p. For a 100 years and yes they will have been able I mean mandate from this election to get breaks it down and we will honor that mandate by John Reid the 31st and so in this moment of national resolution I want to speak directly to those who made it possible and to all those who voted for us for the 1st time and those whose pencils may have waited over the ballot and you heard the voices of their parents and their grandparents whispering anxiously in their areas I say thank you for the trust you've placed in us and in me and we will work round the clock to repay your trust and to deliver on your priorities with a parliament that works for you and then I want to speak also to those who did not vote for us over me. And you wanted and perhaps still want to remain in the e.u. And I want you to know that we in this One Nation Conservative government will never ignore your good and positive feelings of warmth and sympathy towards the other nations of Europe because now he's the moment precisely as we leave the e.u. To let those not true feelings find renewed expression in building a new partnership which is one of the great projects for next year and as we work together with the e.u. As friends and sobering equals in tackling climate change and terrorism in building academic and scientific cooperation redoubling our trading relationship . I frankly urge everyone on either side of water up to 3 years 3 Nokia's of 0 and increasingly I read argument I urge everyone to find closure and to let the healing begin. Because I believe in fact I know as I've heard it loud and clear from every corner of the country that the overwhelming priority of the British people know is that we should focus above all. On the n.h.s. . That simple and beautiful idea that represents the best of our country with the biggest ever cash boost 50000 more nurses 40 new hospitals as well as providing better schools safer streets and in the next few weeks and months we will be bringing 4 proposals to transform this country with better infrastructure picture education better technology and if you ask yourselves what is this new government going to do what are you going to do with the extraordinary majority I will tell you that is what we are going to do we are going to unite and level up unite and level up bringing together the whole of this incredible United Kingdom England Scotland Wales Northern Ireland together taking us forward unleashing the potential of the whole country delivering opportunity across the entire nation and since I know that after 5 weeks frankly of electioneering this country deserves a break from wrangling a break from politics and a permanent break from talking about bricks it I want everyone to go about their Christmas preparations happy and secure in the knowledge that here in these people's government the work is now being stepped up to make 2020 a year of prosperity and growth and hope. And to deliver a parliament that works for the people. Thank you all very much but happy Christmas thank you. Well Happy Christmas Eve. As we hear the cheers in the background you happy Christmas not for the Labor Party they are devastated today just 203 and pays going into the next parliament already a party seemingly divided over what cools one of the worst results on record some say it's down to breaks it down to the leader Jeremy Corbyn he was asked earlier what he'll be resigning I was elected to lead the party and I said responsible thing to do is not to walk away from the whole thing and I won't do that I will stay here until there is spin somebody elected to succeed me and then I will step down at that point do you think that Coburn ism is dead. It's not it's not coldness and there is no such thing as coldness and there is socialism there is social justice there are radical manifestos all of which there. Are No I don't think they are and what I think they don't want to do this election ultimately. Will Not everybody agrees with that including people who were until very recently some of Jeremy cool but his own Labor M.P.'s You see don't you on election night people get upon the stage as the cow there's the triumphant winner and often they raise the Lusa they lose their job they deal with defeat of what happens next where you know we like to take you under the surface here and drive so why would to see today Phil Wilson he is the former Now Labor m.p. Tony Blair was his predecessor said Field was a safe safe Labor seat 25000 majority back in 1997 I went to see Phil Wilson of his home in the constituency with his family ruminating on the day after the night before and I asked him 1st of all if you actually had any sleep and got to bed at 6 and I was up at 9 sort of a 3 hour slaves I couldn't really sleep because you just everything's going through your mind about the big meeting about the 6 week camp in and about this or Paloma and and all the issues that you've got to deal with. Could you do anything differently. But with the obstacles I got in the where and it's Bus suppose it's just like anybody else or loses the job you know that. You've got to you've got to think the reasons why and also the consequences I think for May is well thought because of what happened last night you know that the Tories win a landslide this is going to be a lot of communities like the ones I represent a group to put up with the Tory government for 5 years and in this general election a definitely believe the people who are voting against things and won't necessarily vote for things. Sore things might be completely different in 5 years time we will do it and say but it's you know these. He's a whole host of things of course are you mind when you were a group after 3 I was like let's get into it I mean it you said that it's a Tory government it's a Tory government that people chose him in such failed why do you think you lost. The big issues for me on the doorstep I mean this is a Leave area. People are well a well aware of my position on Bracks it which is you know what triggered Article 50 to get through a process on the road we've got now to. Dale's which out basically said to the government that I would support them as long as it went back to the people fall. For the final set so I knew what prominent in that you know you you with Peta Col you had an amendment in your name you know you really you put yourself out that would give you some generally done by doing not and it's one of the things I'm actually proud of of trying to get this over the line. And not many politicians involve an amendment you know succumbing to them to offer them after them but and you don't regret that you know I do want to know the reason why I mean Peter would say it is. When we were thinking about it actually if this got through we could actually be facilitating Breck's it be the endorsement of the British people because the people do have the right to compare any jail with what was promised and now we've now got Boris Johnson's table the was nor debate in this general election campaign about the wording this of the lot of thought of that deal and you would ask people on the doorstep what you think of the do what's in the Dail How do you think it's going to benefit you and there was a lot of. There was not much of a discussion because it's never been debated during this general election campaign was it just cracks that well when I said blacks it. Nor the leadership of the party is and this is the breaks it election it polarized people have pricks it does polarize people but I don't want anybody to run away with the idea that the deciding factor in this election was breaks it because on the doorstep for every one person that aren't caught bringing in raising taxes or maybe my approach that breaks that there was 5 people who said the problem with that you've got is the later the Labor Party. Any you ask any candidates live a candidate in this election you didn't see a light rise for that course that you would see especially in the north of England then he didn't do much cumbersome so what did they say why why didn't they like him I think it's not just about the individual it's about the worldview it's the it's the view that he projected into the political arena which Him For me it was on the west he was all the stuff that came out in the doorstep about Hamas about I was below the ira things that you didn't expect to be wrist but was thrown back. And you know it's also the competency factor because not see him as the prime minister of this country and when you've got. This on virtually every door you know it's a problem and it was a problem a 2007 thing and you know what the people about chance to take another 2 years look at them but you must have I mean people said that he will the doorstep you must have pushed back what did you say in reply because you will that to say Vote for me vote for Labor So how do you temper that the way you term but it was was it was to be honest you know I mean you must know what you said yes I agree he's not competent Well what I would set to people on the doorstep is what I've basically said in 2017 which is basically I'm for liberal not for carbon to be and you said that to people I would say about the people I wasn't the only candidate who said because you know one of the reasons for this general election to get to the other side of it was to actually try some of the party out because there is a major disconnect between the Labor Party yes it is today and the people who vote Labor and they don't feel that present Labor Party represents them probably and that is why we got you know we ended up in the position where we've lost God knows how many states and overnight I mean throughout this 6 week campaign and you've been out there every day at some point you must have gone back to the leadership and said this is playing badly on the doors I mean did you feed that back did you tell them how badly it was going to the regional level Party knew what the issues were and you know and they were picking it up not just from a vote from everybody else but he's the leader of the Liberal Party and. We have to work with him not confined and I think what we've got to be careful of going forward is to say that yes it's Jeremy called him but that became short on for like I said the world view which is on the West he didn't say them is capable of being you know didn't see him as being capable of being the prime minister that we would like to say leading the lid. A party and also it was all about economic competency the manifesto to simply be a wish list you know so you ended up finding one so many on so many sides but it you know it became an it became impossible do you blame Jeremy cool open for you losing you'll see what. Is the leadership. German called him as leadership but also like I said the worldview that was propagated by him and his followers So what was it his fault that you lost you'll see I would have I would have thought yes but not just got but the issues that he was propagating the policies that were propagating we're not seeing to be part of mainstream really about so yeah I would say about him and the people around him on the leadership of the party lost to us a hell of a lot of states last night as he contacted you today you know on the thought he would Has anybody from the top of labor contacted you today no no. No contact from anybody within the original organizers have done a brilliant job under the circumstances been in touch Jeremy Corbin said this morning that he he was going to he wouldn't lead labor into another election but he would stay around to have a period of reflection to work out what should happen next was that the right thing to do or should he have resigned this morning when the scale of Labor's defeat became apparent. If he said he's not going to stand at the next election that's still going to ultimately could be your own for 5 years my question is just on when you live with votes do you want to lose. This is going to be brought to a head to soon as possible and we've got to discover a new direction for the Liberal Party which is in that the send left it British politics that resonates with ordinary traditional Liberal voters and the 3 things I think we need to focus on is the fact that we are a party of pleasure to some that we believe that the 1st duty of any government is to defend the quinta and its people that we need a new economically responsible. Economic policy where aspiration is at the center of it where we do believe in the funding of public services but in a responsible manner and thirdly it's a ball culture culture within the Labor Party whereby that if you disagree with the leadership but doesn't mean to say that you are never progress apparently. That is Phil Wilson the former Now Labor m.p. He said still that is how it feels for many many Labor M.P.'s today who have lost their seats they jobs to some of them their livelihoods but of course the important thing a study for every n.p.c. Who's lost a job today he get a new one he's just going to job. Yeah absolutely that that the battle for the soul of the Labor party is well and truly underway and I suggest that it's a constituency like this I'm in the center of but me and the probably cold weather going to have to come and speak to voters who've brought a Labor m.p. Back for a 109 years conservatives see but there is rare as unicorns there is rare as people in this pub in a soft drink on a Friday night if you can hear the hope of what she's getting that louder and louder there was a sing song a moment ago or more often maybe the last maybe they'll Grace El Presidente a little bit later on so there's only one man alive there's only one person alive who's ever been elected as conservative m.p. For me this same. It's been Labor apart from 5 years for 109 years it was brief for a liberal Democrat that man he's Anthony Higginbotham he won it last night for Labour's Judy Cooper Well just before we came on any pops into the Bromley pub I had a chat with him 1st of all I asked him how he's feeling after his historic victory there is also touting this other campaign people who said the conservatives never win in bed and never come out and we've proved them wrong which is very exciting 109 years it's a phenomenal achievement but you're very right in local history. By a 1000000 miles what was the decisive factor when you were canvassing going around about just saying there's 3 things that 3 things that really came up and resonated The 1st was break that undoubtedly 66 percent of people who have voted leave. The anger in the 1st ration but that's not done yet it is genuine The 2nd is Jeremy Colvin and his version of the Labor Party which does not go down well. They are having those replicated across northern towns which you see now is where as well and if the 3rd is just a general desire for change I think all the referendum did do is make people take a step back and go I voted for the same passage that my parents voted for my gram very forceful but I get him I thought I was good and so the number of undecided voters in this election I think was far higher than we've seen before do you think the Labor voters in this constituency sat on their hands or actively came out protesting I think that simply came out most of all is that what they said they would. Do was more than 100 with a moment yes with a die hard labor supporters increase including lifelong trade unionists shop stewards who you would not commit or they would say I voted for the Labor policy all my life but I can't vote for this labor. And they look to the kind of this across the board and they decide the made in the Conservatives we were that which is you know one nation conservatism but also conservatives who. Believe in respect in the referendum to get it done and not message resonates because it was interesting listening to Boris Johnson in the aftermath of the victory he said to constituencies like this I'm hopeful that you lend me your vote and that is directly placed on your head is the Congress less ability now for the people of Burma who have concerns breaks it was one of the I say 61 percent believe but they're concerned about schools where funding has been cut for the last few years the n.h.s. Why they see that that there are trust issues or partial match as I know you what you can attest in your family to give us a little bit of your background and tell me what you can promise the people of Burma over the next Yes So Xiao what you name it just broke my Gramma was a nurse that back in the hospital my moma Step Dad both work to mental health in Lancashire interests and I think it's about knowledge of how it works but also you know the means I hear 1st from my stepdad is still in what's in our community mental health. I say and talk to him and he tells me the challenges it faces and it is the luck of joint to catch someone goes into hospital and when they come to be discharged there's nothing left after I get your discharge and you're often done on your own and all that does is create a problem elsewhere in the system so we need to join you know I know that we've got a big job to do here to prove to people but when they put their trust in most and cross couples yesterday for is that we're going to repay it. You'll you'll part of this so-called labor read rule that collapsed last night he did not give you leverage when your when you make Boris Johnson for the 1st time are you able to say too much if you want to keep his constituency we need investment and obviously planted in enormous leverage as you say these are most seats that are strong for states that we can just rely on votes we have to come back here very week every month every year and say here's what we're delivering is a concession paid in a Conservative majority of them and we're delivering real results those the only way we're going to hold on to say slightly. This deal for this neck of the woods yet so my and so Australian my life I know people probably as well as you do but older than you I want people around here they judge people whether they're right or not I see right here Ok so fuck you but few years ago the Labor candidate was defeated here by a liberal Democrat woman but just because there were issues over expenses and burning focused on Hamas not right well of the Lib Dems he lasted one parliament just announcing what. They could do the same to you couldn't that yeah Jim worry about that. And. Yeah obvious that but I think for me it's about are you visible are you getting all that speaking to people engaging with people every over the course of this whole campaign I've gone into every single wallet including walls the people that the conservatives don't win any votes that don't go you know I want to be a member of all the for all of crime and not just those who voted for it forever as often as for fraud but I've also been in the town center every Saturday morning be enough visible presence and I think that is when you talk about you know is he an alright guy could I vote from again if they see me every way can I'm there having a charge whether people agree with me or disagree and I'm stood there we could have that debate the previous m.p. Who defeated you because a lot of people around here voted for breaks you were angry with her voting record on on Europe there's a danger is that not if you get breaks it don't quite quickly the novelty factor the conservative m.p. Level. I'm not sure that is the case actually because I think when people voted for Briggs they voted to leave the but they also vote for a more optimistic vision of the future so when people voted as you know lots of people want to go on strike trade deals with Contador under Strayer New Zealand control so I think if we can show people the Gregs is the start of the chair I mean not the end of the journey and we leave the e.u. At the end of January but then we move on and we become the internationalist global trading nation that we all want it's only because. And that we told people we would become during the referendum a fine soldierly could put your campaign trail to bad but I like to show you this lost nearly a 1000 police officers from the conservatives 10 years of austerity at schools she says every school in our stream but may have that funding cuts by the conservatives . Just illustrate doesn't it the strength of the pledge shouts of ignored all that . Here and actually when this came up on the doorstep. About austerity most voters agreed with was that when we came into power in 2010 there was genuinely no money left this was not a political choice as Labor would have you believe this was an economic necessity we did what we had to do we made difficult decisions and now that the economy is growing and we can do we can reinvest in a place we can get the extra police officers and we're already doing these We're not as you know these won't come pay pledges that we said if we get elected we're there we said before the election where to recruit $20000.00 new police officers and we started that recruitment Yeah but you couldn't in the 1st place monostable a 100 and I. Ask why something is there I. Need to Know I am here in Stockton south I'm 80 is facing a lunar blue to Christmas do you use Irene in fact this is a woman who's wearing top to toe sequins which is making me very jealous because I mean the coats the warm coat that I've been welded into since I'm popping outside Hello hello I've been wanting to this case since 6 o'clock this morning I'm not planning to take off till the next election because it is so cold I mean it sounds a yawn high street here I'm going to rip shoulders perfume and it's with the Christmas shoppers instead of the Christmas drink is let's speak to Labor's shadow justice secretary Richard Berke and good evening evening how are you I'm very well thank you both to the point how you well I'm deeply disappointed general election results I'm deeply disappointing of course to lose so many great colleagues who no longer can stand up in Parliament for their communities but even beyond that I'm really heartbroken when I think of the people in my constituency and across the country who needed a Labor government people on universal credit paying the. Wages On the contrary I'm heartbroken that they're going to have to endure 5 years of. Led government well ultimately the country is getting the government that it voted for I suppose one big question tonight and people I've spoken to all day from former Labor M.P.'s to former Labor voters people are asking why hasn't Jeremy cool been resigned today . Jeremy Corbett is announced today that he is standing down and that he will be vacating the position of leader the Labor Party early next year and it's right the party has a time for reflection and I'm sure that when it comes to electing a new leader a new deputy leader the past will be considering very carefully how we go about taking the fights conservative defeats the conservative austerity and winning the next general election. You've got a job on your hands if you had that heckler that was just wondering past me that shouting conservative Boris Johnson is about work that should start now I was talking to Phil Wilson former Labor m.p. For side and he says the polity needs to start rebuilding now why are you putting this off no we're not saying it's off. We're going to be analyzing objective lay what went wrong because it's not uniform picture across the country in small northern towns that voted leave then we lost votes to the back seat policy to the conservative party in Scotland. Then we lost votes the Liberal Democrats meaning. The conservatives picked the post with narrow majority so we need to look at jets of lane analyze where we lost votes in the country and so whom and how we get those votes in a similar way if you've heard what people have said today and it's very clear that one thing I want you to I'm going to have to labor this point with you one thing that has put voters off is Jeremy Corbett Do you agree that he's been a liability as party leader in this election Well of course the leader of the Labor Party was raised on. The leader the Labor Party so he's always raised on doorstep spark people who are going to vote for it is the same with golden brown that Miliband too I sometimes also become prime minister the biggest thing that was raised most often on doorsteps in my constituency across the country when people describe was actually the idea of. The considered to. Have heard a different thing Phil Wilson said to me and we heard on the program 10 minutes ago he said for every person that mention 5 people mention Jeremy Corbett Why don't you would make it that he is pain electoral poison for the Labor Party you've seen the numbers surely now you could admit that that's the case well in 2007 saying that the general election we have the same leader of the Labor Party generally. In a very similar manifesto we gain 3000000 votes 2 years later the 2900 general election with the same leader Germany go up in a very similar manner then we've been knocked back and suffered a bad electoral defeat what's changed in the last 3 years what's changed in the last 3 years is that breaks it has overshadowed people's traditional party loyalties in this election this was a break election the next general election won't be a break election but of course we have to analyze why we lost votes between $997.20 the Labor Party lost $5000000.00 votes and we have to analyze why we lost those votes in the same way with humility we now need to analyze why we lost votes last night you know to win those votes back and get a Labor government if you want to be the next Labor leader. What I think it's too early to be speculating who should and who shouldn't be standing for leader other than I asked I asked if it was something that you wanted to do was that if you. Were never being driven by personal mission but what I would say is that party members will want both as leader under a leader someone who's from the same political tradition as Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott but thanks to spending those conversations yet let's analyze of all exactly where we lost the votes in the country and 22 and then let's have a chat about you starting to leave something the deputy leader so will say you're not ruling yourself out that well I'm not ruling anything out but my concern at the moment is I don't think you know all the people in my constituency across the country who are going to be facing tough times over the next few years through no fault of their own because of this conservative there's a lot of people who want to hear about labor next steps as well thank you for joining us Richard Bergen late pleasure shadow justice secretary on the at the program this evening I don't forget of course your thoughts well get on all of this 8505 if you want to text. At b.b.c. 5 live if you want to tweet is. That yes add a thank you Anis in the northeast and here in Burnley all part of this giant Labor Red Bull this collapsed overnight loss of people voting conservative for the 1st time in their lives that certainly happened here in Burnley when they were elected the 1st conservative m.p. For 109 years Boris Johnson when he spoke on Downing Street this afternoon said he was hopeful by the fights they'd lent him that votes and he would try to monitor that let's get a sense of whether he'll be able to do that it's Ari I was director of communications for Boris Johnson when he was mayor of one and I see Welcome to the program thank you very much. That's some responsibility because there are thousands and thousands of people who have a trust in to deliver Bracks it but what about trust him to look after the n.h.s. Look after skills have to policing do you think Boris Johnson has what it takes to keep those votes beyond the parliamentary chair Well it's interesting you highlight the words you know lending lending here their votes he wants to windows he doesn't want to have them for 5 years and hand them back and 5 years is quite a long time to sort of. Trust and what I saw in London if you can replicate that is a man who was elected in 2008 with the lot of doubts about whether he's more than a sort of national treasury made law from said t.v. Shows to a man who got reelected mid to mid economic and mid term of an unpopular conservative coalition government made a financial crisis and in the immediate aftermath of a shambolic budget and he got reelected because largely He kept the promises that he made in 2008 and I know that he's he feels that he has to do that on this occasion he's got 5 years to do that he knows that people have lost trust in him and the only way you can win it back is now is is to be judged on his actions got his words. Which spoke to one of his biographers Sony Pinelli when he said he was into the details managed to assert. Extent during the election campaign particular moment when he was confronted by a reporter who tried to shove a photo of a 4 year old boy in the hospital for Boris Yeltsin like a rabbit mad lies is easy a Details man who really have the policies mapped out for the next 5 years or is he going to blow with the wind get out because that's what a lot of people think the way he Kevin's and what he does most effectively is to sort of bridge Lentulus the chase people who are meant to be delivering for him he rearranged the government machine at City Hall in London so that it was I think we called it organizing for delivery I think there will be a pretty drastic restructure of why taller suit is a stick the box of precedents b. And Jan and he will have people in place who are charged with securing those 40 hospitals that he's promised to will be charged with delivering the extra police and this is and he will hold the week after week month after month until those things are delivered because he knows he cannot go back to the electorate in 5 years time having not diluted the things he's promised and that is something call it not detail call it whatever you want but in the end he has you know political motivation and relentless energy in that department. I've been in this constituency a child but 4 years later he asked for you know them to give him another chance to finish what he started he's a way of getting back seat that is not an end in itself it's something that needs to happen in order to then focus on safer streets better schools more hospitals more of the other things that matter to people in the denies he's acutely aware of that you seen a man you know who's traveled to the length and breadth of the u.k. In this election delivered milk to door and for people you know sort of stuff sausage rolls into his mouth he's very comfortable there on the doorstep people seem comfortable with him they call him by his 1st name even though he's prime minister so I think you know it's a who might be out of sight tomorrow but there's a big challenge of course as you say to keep them interested and just to make sure that he's not going back in 5 years time and they're all saying where have you been for the last 5 years. I guess Ira thank you a former director of communications for bars John so when he was out of London after guts to give you the text of world I'm sure you know if you go any thoughts on what you're hearing over what you've seen overnight of to get to what is now a 5 out of 5 days at b.b.c. 5 Live is quarter to 6. Let's have another out what happens next shall we because we've told about the result of the election how people voted whether new M.P.'s are where the n.p.c. Been lost but a coast that the focus goes back to Westminster now Boris Johnson's got the conservative majority that he was after I let's look at what's likely to happen next in Parliament in terms of Bracks it may be some of the issues that might get some attention as well brief thoughts is the director of the ham salad society which analyzes the workings of Westminster how to raise a good living and so Barry still says that in his speech in Downing Street that M.P.'s go back on Monday but there's a there's a bit of a process that I just appear in the chamber and I stopped but he said. You know why . They've both houses will formally me for the 1st time on Tuesday afternoon at 230 many of the M.P.'s were obviously want to get back to Westminster on Monday the M.P.'s you've been returned will want to get their offices set up again because of course lots of new M.P.'s The whom the Westminster has the commons the procedures process offices that all be completely new so they'll have to have an orientation an induction program don't have to get a security pass they'll have to get the basics of starting a new job you know pay pensions appointing staff finding their office all of that will have to be to to be done so the houses will meet on Tuesday afternoon formally for the for the 1st time 1st real important responsibility in the House of Commons will be to elect the speaker so Lindsay Hoyle was elected at the end of the last poll imminent but has to be each house has to choose its speaker again at the start after an election so we expect Lindsay Hoyle to be reelected probably unopposed but they have to go through those procedures and formalities before they can move on to the next stage which will be the swearing in of all the M.P.'s and the m.p. Can't speak or vote in the house until they've been sworn in if they do they forfeit their seat that have to be a by election so it's really important that they get all the m.p. Sworn in and then we understand there may be a Queen's speech on Thursday Now this is it because the conservatives have said all along Labor said they would probably delay the Queen's speech until January but the conservatives have said all along because they want to try and hit this wreck that date of the 31st of January they want to really speed things along yeah and they they announced during the election campaign that they'd have the Queen's speech just 2 days after the new parliament convened which is quite quick by modern standards and yet the government because it's a returning government it's already got a Queen's speech that it just. Weeks before the election you know when the start of the previous session so. It's got probably you know pretty good draft the interesting question will be will there be other things in this Queen's speech that wouldn't in the on that we had in October so because it's a return in government it can get off the ground a bit quicker than would have happened for a new government coming in that would have to appoint a whole swathe of new ministers and obviously the prime minister would be would be new into Downing Street and the lots of new things that Jeremy Cooper and if we got into to number 10 would have had to familiarize himself with the Boris Johnson doesn't. So they can basically does that often and recycle it and use it again I suppose the big question is this is something that we haven't seen a Westminster really quite a long time now Boris Johnson has a good majority so he can start to get things done presumably we will leave the e.u. On the 31st of January because he can get that deal through he can get anything he wants to through now yeah I mean with a majority of 18 it's hard to imagine any circumstances in which he can't get the withdrawal agreement bill through both houses of parliament through to royal assent before the end of January which is the default date of course for Bracks or the interesting question is when do they bring the bill forward again so Lulay try to get for example to 2nd reading before Christmas so will they try and do you introduce the bill next Friday will they perhaps try and have the 2nd reading agreeing the principles of the bill that same day you will they sit on the Saturday will they reconvene on Monday the 23rd or will they kick 2nd reaching into the the 1st week back in the New Year and I think that's a political question to water extent just Boris Johnson want to really demonstrate before they finish for Christmas you know real progress with the bill that he's promised in terms of delivering Bracks will have to wait as a model year and a final quick thought through thought to a potential 2nd independence referendum in Scotland the s.n.p. . They have said look the numbers have gone up Boris Johnson needs to seriously consider this now does he. I mean clearly he has to consider the the political implications of a situation in which the s.n.p. The people of Scotland to vote it's a heavily for s.n.p. Representatives and obviously the s.m.p. Of the 3rd largest party at Westminster so he's going to have to consider it carefully because of course you know that the constitutional concerns about the future of the Union have been exacerbated they're not going to go away but he's not necessarily under an obligation to you or to accede to what Nicholas sturgeon is asking for. Everything is good to thank you so much we felt He's the director of the hand side society which analyzes the workings of Westminster which will be kicking back into action next week and as we were saying that a lot of things on the agenda ready to be talked about very very soon. Here you talk about Scotland out of the s.n.p. Of course my big gains across Scotland sturgeon says the country's sent a clear message to Boris Johnson on a 2nd independence referendum or 5 watch to ensure spend the day in and around eastern bought and share the former seat of Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson who were of course lost her seat last night by the s.n.p. James hello to you what are people what have people been saying today I want to read one else like me saw that picture of Nicholas sturgeon celebrating the defeat of Joe Swenson in the victory of her own candidate in that seat Dunbartonshire East I think what it tells you Turney is that was a terrifically important vote and success for the s.n.p. That they had campaigned hard to win in that constituency and get that big scalp of another u.k. Party leader that's what the s.n.p. Succeeded in doing and that constituency and I think talking to people there talking to them about Gerry Swenson and why she lost some people felt perhaps that she just hadn't been very present in the can stick. Currency because she was an apology to some people like China thought she had been a good m.p. But in some ways she was kind of irrelevant to the big debate that has been going on between on the one hand the conservatives who want Bracks it and don't want Scottish independence and on the other hand the s.n.p. Who've who've are exactly in the opposite corner they want they don't want Bracks it and they do want Scottish independence which brings us I suppose to the big statement Nicholas sturgeon made around about lunchtime today in Edinburgh when she was talking about what this victory for the s.n.p. Means for the party and what she thinks it means for Scotland and she made it very clear that she believes it means there is now even more reason to think that the s.n.p. Is entitled to expect a 2nd independent storage I'll take notes while most people fail to try to have a 2nd referendum is called and I think you'll be a novelist for classical novelist for Scotland to look at this post office it was built for that effort and I don't think that everybody the face s.n.p. Wants independence then so there is a clear by 70 percent of people one say then I don't think they should. Now it feels actually as though this is all going to start happening quite quickly we expect the s.n.p. To make that formal request next week but we also know that Boris Johnson is simply going to say no to the request for the powers to have an independence referendum so what happens then do we go on for years and years with the Scottish Government and u.k. Government just disagreeing with each other potentially is where we are kind of constitutional law Gads for months maybe years to come Tony Yes James thank you that's the big challenge for Boris Johnson is that so the s.n.p. Pretty much sweep in the board north of the border the conservatives have swept away Labor's Redwall overnight the North East Yorkshire the Midlands North Wales. And huge parts of lanky should have never been before of couple of I mean personally Bob Sanam in the Bromley pope right the said to take even longer works to say it or not people just enjoying a Friday night have including Paul hello to you Paul are doing Ok there Norah Bryant Here's Well Ryan hello raving so gents I don't know your voting history what I got 1st of all before you tell me how you voted Paul what do you make of the result that Bernie's 1st time conservative in 109 years I think of our job and to about voting concept Yeah but I was told he colleague early that. We from from May be rolling them Strobel just like you are you have to remember I mean I don't know you'll be is not much younger than my post 10 years of summer here well they got I mean about the police and I'm looking good I'll tell you dear if you don't go 1 o'clock this morning I was absolutely full and so on Tim I couldn't believe it when provides when tolerate a thought leader into a huge huge massive change and when I come here you went to tarries and went Durham down to 10 red I thought chorus has one here on this you know what the people have spoken to her say at last it's been this until by the people of the u.k. The u.k. 5 Live. With a nice. First Johnson says it's time to let the healing begin of the Praxis half of the conservative secured a clear victory in the general election the prime minister has been speaking outside Number 10 after leading the Tories to the larger. In more than 3 decades the former Conservative cabinet minister James Brokenshire says it's a fantastic result clearly a very well executed campaign to ensure that people understood yes get breaks it down the underlining how we now want to move forward but equally shared a positive agenda on investing in our public services and I think that's the difference that through distinction that you see from Boris Johnson on this one nation agenda that he talks about there are calls for Jeremy Corbett and his allies to take the blame for Labor's worst election performance since before the 2nd World War He says he won't fight the next election his labor leader will stay in post until successor is found his m.p. Fell for North or West Street ing But how did we think they wanted at this election they had the leader they wanted to have the manifesto they wanted but even at the bricks of policy they wanted the one thing they couldn't have with the electorate and the Labor Party is once again learning a painful lesson the hard left politics of the time that we've put forth this country do not suffer encounters with the electorate very well pay 148 of Scotland's 59 seats increasing their majority by 13 the party's leader Nicholas sturgeon says it's a clear message the people of Scotland once another independence referendum Joe since and was a casualty of those s.n.p. Gains and lost her seat and don't bottom share East she stepped down as Lib Dems leader and his age the party to regroup into the new slate his figures show the performance of any departments in England fell to another record low last month 81.4 percent of patients were seen within the 4 hour target down from 83.6 percent in October this is b.b.c. Radio 5 Live on digital b.b.c. Sound the small speaker from a look at the end $74.00 South Lawn extend southbound at the rate into change of junction 5 there's been an accident it's on the x. It's never causing.