I was going to late is 5 Live news that we've kept our chairs dosen the government's plans to build Boris Johnson's brags that deal before M.P.'s in the Commons today looking less likely it's now expected the Speaker John Bercow will block the move because he believes it would go against the parliamentary convention of not debating the question twice in a session Joan Grogan's a senior law lecturer at Middlesex University it's very likely to affect our saying well we saw this on Saturday the House says it must bring the bill 1st and that there must but I mean all 1st for discussion can come again Alternatively we might see Barack out saying yes bring the spac task of Commons then we've might pursue the same cycle that we saw on Saturday rest lots of amendment seen in ages here is stamped to death of hands policy in Milton Keynes have been named slightly as Dole Mensah and Ben Gillum Royce a 17 year olds were attacked in the Amazon Valley area late last night another teenager and its 23 year old man was seriously injured goodish Wallace is in northeast Syria said they've pulled down to the border town of Ras al-Ain which has been besieged by the Turkish military the withdrawal of the Kurdish militias part of a u.s. 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This is all 4 I don't 5 Live on Dawson at a boy income not in this hour of the program in a budget would get the latest from Kashmir where the Indian administration side is done with no good some of the Pakistani instruction sides on the other side if you like of the of the border also the man who is hunky dory and also do the accounts from David Bowie Mick Jagger and many more will hear about the longest nonstop commercial passenger flight landed successfully in Sydney and took over 19 hours to fly direct from New York as well also so permutations around that also would get a sense of just how badly jet lag in some cases night shift work affects the body. Has been heavy shelling across the Line of Control that separates Indian and Pakistani minister of Kashmir but shards of blame to each other for the escalation in firing which is seen soldiers killed on both sides let's get more from up on. It's rolled to the Line of Control separates Indian administered Kashmir from Pakistan administered Kashmir remember both these nuclear powers lay claim on the valley though if you go there as I have on many occasions many many it would tell you that actually they are quite fed up of both countries what we often see is firing and we've seen that over the course of the last few months particularly since India decided to remove the autonomy remove Article 370 from its part Indian administered Kashmir that really led to an increase in tension in the area a lockdown in the area and an increase in tensions between both countries I think what is significant over the past 24 hours is we've seen some of the heaviest shelling taking place for quite some time now some are calling it the deadliest day it's very difficult to be able to accurately say how many people may have died in the shelling because both sides give very very different figures in very different stories about what's actually taking place but I think it's fair to say that over the past 24 hours we could have seen at least 9 people being killed because of the shelling with that will mean that people who live near the borders across the Line of Control will as they've had to do on other occasions before flee their house and I think the world will be extremely concerned in this evening and in the early hours of the morning about rising conflict over a disputed region that is seen so many wars between 2 nuclear powers indeed there is there has been some strong comments from the Indian army chief was here to see. Yes there has been some very strong comments from him I think you also have to take into account at the moment the the timing of where we are because we're heading towards the winter that means that the past that many people can move between what India would say would be some of the terrorists who enter Indian administered Kashmir will begin to get shut down soon so this is always a very crucial Emirate and time in that area but let's hear now what the Indian army chief. Has been saying we have picked up some definitive information that. Some of the. Not of the been active. In these camps. And that they are likely to infiltrate last evening an attempt was made in the in which we did so for all of us soldiers getting killed one civilian all for died and all this was to ensure that they can push on leaders Pakistani army both worlds will bear the brunt of reaction and as of now the information that we have. 6 to 10 Pakistani soldiers have been killed it's very important to say that is the Indian side of the story the Pakistani army they released a statement saying that that's not the case at all that actually 5 civilians and only one Pakistani soldier has been killed so as we said at the beginning it's difficult to verify the information and both sides keep saying that shelling was responsible the other party started it and we've killed more soldiers of them as they killed of ours which I think tells you that so much of this is about domestic consumption. Is there a risk though that this could escalate I think there is doubt and I mean earlier this year we had India and Pakistan almost on the verge of war where we saw India launching strikes inside Pakistan we saw an Indian pilot being held by the Pakistanis and I think if you look at what is. Happened over the course of this year has been one of the most tense times between these 2 countries and there is always that possibility that is the shelling increases as the deaths on both sides increase that it could escalate and I think if you look at what's happened over the last couple of years we seem to be in a much more tense situation between these 2 countries that then then there was previously the shelling last year across the line of the control was the heaviest for 15 years I think that's going to be replaced by the shelling this year so there are such a number of global problems that people are having to deal with politicians are trying to deal with but it seems that India and Pakistan could be heading quite close to was the top of that agenda once again routes and in the longest nonstop commercial passenger flight has landed successfully in Sydney the Qantas plane took just over 19 hours to fly westbound direct from New York the airline is considering whether to begin regular nonstop flights between the cities and it's enlisted the help of university researches to find out how such a long flight effects passages in crew well carry taught in the associate professor at the University of California Santa Cruz Cruz and she specializes in molecular studies did rhythms which basically means she can explain the science behind a starts of what. Rhythms so circadian rhythms arise fundamentally within every cell in your body and in doing so what they do is cordon ate a daily rhythm of about 24 hours to times behavior in physiology from your head to your toes and so we know from any studies that when a light disrupts circadian rhythms such as what you'd see in jetlag I loved and description that it makes you feel discombobulated right so it leads to a decent going to zation of clocks in your body an ability to not synchronized but to let environment where you've landed after a long flight and is that how your body is affected by traveling through different time zones. Absolutely it really goes beyond just a lack of sleep although that's certainly a profound and painful experience to stay awake at night but it also influences many aspects of the physiology in your body from your metabolism and your cardiovascular function to the synthesis of hormones so it really has a quite a wide ranging impact on your health I'm sure you. Did see if men and women were meant to fly God would have given them wings and yet we meant to fly only does it matter if. Cicada rhythms don't to mean with fly is it really meant. Well but there are many studies showing that a lack of synchronization between your internal clock in your environment which is best described as jetlag that actually has pretty profound health impacts and that's mostly been noted in shift workers who kind of put themselves under the situation as a part of their work with that being said there is hope perhaps we know that light has a powerful effect in synchronizing our internal clocks and so it sounds like this clock just really used late to their advantage to try and begin the process of adjusting internal clocks with the environment keeping it brightly lit for example at night the passengers were told to set their watches to Sydney after boarding and they were kept awake on tonight. At least Night felonies in Australia what impact will this have on the. Well I like it's a step in the right direction I'd say so by setting your walk to watch just any time and beginning to live you know in a sort of future time zone you begin the process of adjusting to the new times and sadly we know that it takes quite a bit longer than that to ingest at the molecular level so the rule of it's about that you can adjust to about one time zone for every. For every day that you've been there so like Ben mentioned it often takes 567 or even more days to fully adjust to local time so what the Qantas flight has done is just started that in a sense by having everybody behave as though there is any time and it's bought everybody about a day of advance and the passengers and crew were mounted to do this test fly what was what was the side says to the looking out for and monitoring them. Not sure of the exact details I wasn't associated directly with the study but it's typically found that we can monitor really simple physiological patterns like blood pressure that exhibits a circadian pattern where it's lower in our biological night time and higher during the day so simply getting readouts of things like body temperature and blood pressure lets us know what you're in trouble timing is so I'm guessing they measured that the other thing that's really common and at least amongst pilots is to measure cognitive performance and reaction times right because we know that after we stayed awake all night or if we're trying to work late at night that we auction Afton have poor cognitive function and our reaction times are blended and you don't. Prefer. A dance the Macarena. I have not I'm sorry I know it sounds like a silly girl just wondering if the dog SUV America. Has any use if it does any good you know I'm going to say that that not only would it be good but it actually might help you in train your clock so many people are shown that time restriction of exercise in other words exercising when your biological clock is in its daytime mode that can actually help to synchronize clocks as well so by waking everybody up and having them synchronize their dancing on Sydney time they match Lee helping train mit. You did mention the shift workers as well as similar is a 19 hour flight to work shift workers on the go were night workers in particular. But I don't know that it's so much the length of the flight rather than the shift in time zone and with a 12 or 13 hour shift in time zone it's basically like inverting your daytime for night time and this is often what we see for people who work shift work in that rather than getting up at 6 in the morning and heading into work they may get up at 6 pm and head to work and so in that aspect shift work is quite similar to the time difference that these travelers are feeling so it's no good for oil 36. Yeah I hate you know I hate to be doom and gloom but I know the World Health Organization has recently as a circle years ago listed shiftwork as a probable carcinogen and because it just wraps circadian rhythms and the sort of time cues that keep tumor cells from growing. Any good news for the shift really because it's over anything but for example you know we might benefit from hearing over and over never never never never again about what's going on in our parliament with regards to Briggs. Well that's you know being out of the news cycle is one positive benefit I guess. The positive news that we have right now is that there's you know many people in our field who are working on it how to use light better manipulate clocks and there's hope that we can use these fast easy and very cheap sort of tools to help people align their circadian rhythms better so there's a serious question from the examples you've given from from this or at least from what you can. From the experiment this 90 now like experiment the lessons that we can do is not work is it shift work because for example I imagine one of them is to do some exercise was where the night shift is. Absolutely yeah I would say exercise and eating when you're active so for you shift workers at night that that will be having practiced lunch and dinner at night instead of during the day those are things that can help and then finally as I've mentioned already late is just this very powerful cue for a body and so there's just a phrase that's commonly used in our field that you want to have a good light. Maybe those are 2 words people have put together but the idea of getting bright light when you're in your active phase and dimming light when you're supposed to be in your restful can really help to promote strong circadian alignment with the environment as Professor carry. The University of California Santa Cruz know about one or 2 of you thought I'd lost the plot. If you could does accurately. Sensibly I thought you know it's so important all these things are important when you're 19 hour flight apparently government ministers say that they didn't mean to for. Head with efforts to get Boris Johnson's brags who plan approved by parliament even though he's had 2 hours Brussels to extend the departure deadline Michael Gove has told 5 Live that he's stepping up preparations for a no deal Briggs's because there's no guarantee the new will grow in the u.k. Another extension Labor's says it will back moves to put the deal to a referendum so who so much uncertainty about what the coming few weeks will bring How are e.u. Nationals over here preparing Stanislav scuzz Inskeep is from the potage newspaper is 80 via Bush owes which has been asking polls living in the u.k. If they're applying to stay in this country certainly some people are because of. Deciding to move there but it's not only because of breaks it breaks it isn't that sort of an excuse also many people who move here. Have it's feeling that they when they when they were leaving Poland it was temporary for the time being and and so many of them were waiting for a moment to go back to see helpful and it's after the old is years and yes so so I think I think it's you know a bit of an overstatement. But yet only just over a quarter of toadies people living here have applied for a settled status how do we explain them. Well I think that Poles are waiting most of them are just way think if they will have to to to to apply for it at all because you know what's happening at winds because there is hardly helping all these calls for registering for the applying for the settled status so I think it's mostly were well once once breaks it will be a fact it will change a locked away had an article around in the box a couple this this week it was written by a former Polish press agency is correspondent in the u.k. Crowbar and the article was titled breaks it will happen in days which was an call to action and well basically on the day because it was printed in this weekend's edition So basically on the day over publication this article was out of date so I think that's the that's the reason the poles are are not true applying for several starters they're just waiting for fall for it of all to be set them and want it while and they still have quite a lot of time to do it. You say that but as far as I remember from our last conversation hasn't the Polish embassy itself been going out telling Polish people resident embrace him go on apply if you'll settle status a.s.a.p. Yes I mean everyone saying that we are you know there is never enough of telling people to do it because you know even if brags it will be either in the article that there will be revoke that or whatever it will hardly. Damage things but I think people are just you know for fair as they are while potholes have quite poor experiences with paperwork and with their country so they are quite reluctant to. Do any think if they if it's that's not really necessary and they are of course upright that they want to be over the settled status and once that happens you know that's easier to do anything then to to face to face the this situation. Yes so so so I think you know that that's that's going to change one's once but once. The u.k. Will be leaving the in no time with or without that the and. Yes those but of course of course poles need to be to be doing that and you know and but but I think we hardly have any any any solid arguments to persuade them to . G.g. Thing that level of participation will increase. Over 31st to beyond the 27 percent level of Poles who've applied for settled stages with an increase I think it will I mean once we know what's going to happen because now we're again again in the sort of a limbo waiting for the. To decide about the extension for the House of Commons to decide whether they will be able to approve the Mr Johnson's deal or not and put through all the legislation needed for 4 for it to be implemented so once that happens there will be 7 the I think instantly the numbers will go up but what I'm most more you know what I've gathered from the from from from Mr Crimble article was that actually it is not the only thing that polls need to worry about because applying for us adults that's not a very demanding and long we know that complicated procedure but what they really need to focus on is actually their documents because. It is ants need to make a Dumble sure that their passports are up to date. And that they are national I.D.'s are up to date because. These documents will be more and more difficult to get those breaks it and crossing the border without a passport will be impossible somewhere in 2020 so that's the sort of sex education story in the gears s.e. This morning. Well it's not our story it's actually something that happened in Poland we're writing a lot about it because it's well it's gathering a lot of attention not surprisingly because there is this campaign which is right to live and and it is. An evolution very catholic have found they have found that organization a wage table to Bill. To. To equal sex education wave it Ophelia so are however all that that sounds in Poland every bill supported by $100000.00 of citizens is considered by a parliament but this one is is particularly odd because actively It will penalize sex. Sexual education because it penalizes informing about and educating for on undertaking sexual activities by an minors and introduces a pretty year prison sentence for the world to be a crime and in the explanation of the bill the campaign explicitly stated that it targets. L g b t n 6 will educators because they come from children with demoralizing contents when they are with the teachers and parents can't help the children and quite surprisingly just after the election it was to go. Ruling hello and Justice Party voted the bill through it was the 1st vote in Poland Bill generally needs to vote to needs to pass the Parliament twice in all that become a law. So M.P.'s for now decided to send the bill to parliament. Theory works in the committees and so the final vote is ahead of us but law and justice all that they will support the bill they don't want to actually the Asian in school because it's against Catholic about these and and they also decided that. That sex education will be on it by 5 years in prison instead of free to come in this calling for and this is quite a link because this is not exactly at the same time Pope Francis as state. Sexual education is very needed in schools so that's kind of startling coal how things develop there Stanislaus goes into going from the British newspaper goes there to were bushes out of the news as well will hear pop music I will go in for him on pop music you know because we're friends as Govern later as 5 Live headlines as good MacGraw on digital b.b.c. Sound must be I'm on my knees b.b.c. 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Will claim silver in the women's Madison on the final day of the European track championships and Mark Selby has won the English open snooping cruelly he beat David Gilbert by 9 frames to want to lift the Steve Davis trophy and that's the latest from b.b.c. Story 1st for news and the bass blogs this is b.b.c. 5 Live your life doesn't matter by Again let me introduce you to our guests now something of a music industry legend he was a pretty much the beginning of the pop industry in this country and he's still there now because his new book is called hunky dorey Yeah that might suggest one or 2 things for you hunky dorey who knew Lawrence Meyers a pleasure to have year Gratian is here to be take us way way back to the east because you're a cockney born within the sounds of Burroughs I am I and a genuine cut me it didn't want to be one because I didn't want to you know grow up having to the Lamb before where Purdy suits and things like that. Yes the lumber fork is the one with your fingers in your Look yeah that's right yeah right if you are rolling around in sales and say. Yeah yeah but you know who knew that years later where the great deal more as you go through all the new romantic and rock and Teddy boy is all of that but it's part of life well you could've done that when you moved from the East End to Holloway and it's now 3 Prague now very gentrified of course not the same it's. The rainbow you would say it was known as this story now this story cinema Yeah nowadays it's just a church Yeah. Well I think it was a question of health and safety they could they were allowed when it was a rainbow then that cut down the numbers I think promoted there from time to time and then they cut it down to 6 or 700 and I think maybe this so now it's the church it was one of the great venues of North London we're talking about where the lights of Monte played James Brown played many of his play there as well everybody but that was your man that was bang in the hearts of North London bad that story music wasn't your 1st love you had into being an accountant Well that was never my love. When I was 60 I have school where everybody did in those days oh my Nobody went to university nobody but you know a school and you went to a and I didn't know what I wanted to do and I was 16 years old. And I'd like to be a Latin American percussionist which would be very nice exhaust Ricky very. Didn't have talent but I had the desire and I looked the other way round. And well more than that. He did everything every I wanted to be Tony just like you were interviewed him at one point I just sat in the same room and I was and I couldn't. So anyway when I was 16 I got the Jewish mother this you know you can be a doctor or dentist or that there must be my mother never spoke but that was Jewish as a baby by God Listen I didn't want to be any of them so I said I'll be an accountant . And I was hopeless I was an interest to the cafe my exams and trade of this was I got paid when I was. Called apprentice and I got paid 15 shillings $75.00 p. a Week which even in the olden days pretty to Kenzie and it pay for my fare. And for my lunch. So I I would pay to get a market on Sundays for 5 years. And. Living so this would have been more in the fifty's but this was and I was 16 sometime in 105252 so I were in the market for when I was 18 for about 4 or 5 years and it was huge market those days you draw up into the seventy's. It's a bit of a boast to see. On the club or waste which is now building it was. Broad way. Off Yeah there was never a place to go learn it was Middlesex 3000 it is true as well so you were off Broadway. Yep I did that and until I ventured Lee qualified and I've had no training because I was apprentices tiny firm or 2 brothers they had no clients of any worth and so I decided. They were bullies it is true I thought I would never hold down a job. So I met another young guy who had any school. Who had 2 dark suits he looked like an accountant and we got on very well so went into practice together as good miles and we had a little tiny office. Of a Bond Street a tiny 3 feet for us to stay as past drinking past the tailor had this tiny office and. There and then we actually moved to our most tree. And we got very lucky we got a client called Mickey most. It was certain differences he did your. Main or it just changed my life yeah it just changed my life as you don't know Mickey Mouse was the musical impresario producer I mean here Donovan Lulu Jeff Beck the animals the Alamo the most famous house of a rising sun indeed and I bought a house the rising sun my client my partner on a plane who said I'm backing this young guy making most of the record company and this came back and told me and I said he came made house the rising sun you know I bought a pet there so I said I want to look after him and I was fine about it. So I began to look after me and we got on very well when you say look after doing is it causes or how do you know I was a council account is more doing it counts it is a business to put it in context this isn't so and when many people in the music business didn't really know out add and subtract they didn't know what they should be earning. The music business was like the Wild West it was totally new it was new I mean the animal was all about the animals their manager Mike Jeffries I think at a pub or club and these Newcastle is came and played and they didn't have a manager and he said I'll be a manager they said Ok they say in Newcastle and he became the manager and you know if if if the millman said of course song he will say that ridiculous Renaud when you say let me hear it. It was a brand new business and it was it was it really was like the Wild West but when I was a lot of people involved in this rerelease the individuals the arses the producers and so on they were getting paid is there's no accounting comes well is where negotiated came in. Because the record companies were making a fortune. A single soul for 6 shillings and 8 pounds and I won't go into the detail respond to it after you know purchase tags discount after everything they were left with a margin of about 14. Old pay pens and the Beatles famously were paid $11.00 between the 4 of them $1.00 to $1.00 for each one for victory in the for them rather. I mean they need to measure it I mean it is every nothing so and I learned from this big bad wolf in music business Allen Klein. And he told me that he is an American Ok he was an American there came over because he wanted to get involved with Mickey and. I was very new to the business making would be my client for a few months everybody would know want to learn from you know there was no there were no media courses in if you wouldn't abuse your business if you musician you played music on the administrative side you know if a record company were looking for executives they couldn't. You just met somebody and they said I want to be in the n r department and you gave me Joey didn't have a job so and he showed me how much margin they have. And the other thing was how much the record companies were really dependent on the Beagle it is not just for the money they made in those days a lot of independent record shops and independent traders they decided they paid in the month so if you are a salesman and have record sales were sold records. And you went to the shop and they wanted to buy you know if you deck you got the Rolling Stones new Rolling Stones where. They paid their bill and not only that if you're a company with a major artist other artist want to be there and the power of the artist is witness to a very famous meeting which is when this guy Klein. You know he was a lot of people hated him some of the reason. He was any of it good to meet Mickey Mose from v if you like a 1000 pound producer is that being a millionaire I know exactly what I am and I witnessed and I was part of and I helped to do that and. There was a very famous meeting with Decca and Dick was run by Sir Edward Lewis owned I think he'd made his money from radio and a real old English you know florid. Gentleman and it was Allen Klein myself and to all of that time was co-managing with Stan's Angelou go home and the wonderful and reduce order and we went in there with 5 Rolling Stone. Rehearsed and they were all looks as they were told they stood behind. One of the time Charlie one as I will do whatever I say yes Alan Yes Yes gentlemen you made leave me. No. The Rolling Stones are not recalled for any more. And he said we have a contract. For a call to decide you may or may not in the mean time then only call for any more and the thing is you cannot enforce a contract person who says you can stop somebody you know if you're under contract to me me working for somebody else will make you and if you could what's the point in their going to record nursery rhyme as many conceptual artist from under the car exactly as Stone Roses That is a huge coach Michael Yellowstone now holding for a while yeah I would have this dispute with whichever was a Saudi or whichever it was that or years or. So I learned I learned that and. I I became the go to accountant for the music business which was a brand new business because you know the animals said this wasn't Donovan and they all said so suddenly I had this from nothing a very successful music business practice. And I was not a good accountant as I was not trained I used to go home to my wife and say if I was a doctor I'd be killing people you know this is so after 5 years I built up this tremendous roster of people I was associated with and if you're you're as good as the people you represent you know if you go in doesn't matter who you are you know. Your age and you represent well but they Niro and Leonardo Dicaprio you are important and if you don't you know important doesn't matter how you say Guy defense he represents you're a star boy so seriously exactly exactly what people wanted to do it's not some ice that people want to deal with you so I. One of the people I was involved with was wonderful and it was a writer producer. And it was Mike who said to me why you here you know I hate it he was a brilliant musician a very talented and did wonderful things he stars of life as a lawyer. And when he was 19 he stopped and went and became a who produced an arranger So he said to me just just leave you know and here I'll come with you and Tony Macaulay who I was also looking after also one of the phenomenal. Writer producer of his time. And I did a deal with. Bill records who financed me to go on my own and I took you know one of the well one of the other and I went full time into the music business. And it changed my life you just run your autobiography anyways which is fire which is far and tragedy but you made 60 is. No no no it's over have enjoyed it so far it's going to get. Much more. Dusty because you mentioned the Rolling Stones Yeah you'd met Mick Jagger before that when when I was there accountant you go through loads of stuff and I'm of this you know I must be a bit out of hand you know you know in the media now it's me said to me I should have a pension in case and it wasn't quite like that we were talking about a variety of things you know insurance pensions and mix pensions. After all I won't be singing when I'm 60 and you know how we loved it because he is past 60 or 76 and still going strong still going strong so you know that was a start and. They changed when Alan became their manager and he gave them to me as a client they they they left their previous manager. Eric Easton and they would have his office so they had no it's a safe bet a year I found space for them in my accountancy offices and the Rolling Stones were run from my office at a very important time in their life and they had 2 or 3 b. Hits already and have any money because money hadn't come through that surprises me that they weren't financially savvy. They musicians people in the Elysee me did yeah but you know did you know the thing I lot of musicians become unbelievably wealthy and a lot of other people have become unbelievably wealthy but musicians are unbelievably wealthy doing what they love you know I mean you might behave fund manager and you could be worth 300000000 and you might like the buzz but you can't be in love with what you are creating if you resist they're in love with what they're creating and that was a delight a delight to be around that distracts them then from the it's not some bold of finances because nowadays the writing says probably the most astute of all the musicians Yes because because of enjoy a while after. You know you start off unifor transit van this 5 year or whatever it might be and you go from gig to gig and you hope the van doesn't break down have to run up petrol have a lot of money for petrol and it's just surviving from week to week and not having to get a proper job and then eventually you get a few more gave you a lot more consistently and just sort of making a living and then Andrew Oldham Andrew Loog Oldham is 90 and he was a real genius because. He made the Rolling Stones what they are he looked at the Beatles and he looked and he made them he made them into the not the animals in the band the animals but in the animalistic. Vigils the position of Riyad Yeah and these were wild guys and you know. And they were thrilled Scruggs like no no but then you know when they were in my office that had they had 2 or 3 hits 1st of all Rahul come to recoup the cost Secondly they're not the quickest payers in the world and if they get the money from abroad you know they sit on it and they supposed to account for every 90 days so they didn't actually have any money they'd had success but they didn't have any physical cash so you know what to do with their money wasn't an issue then that money and of course later on when they saw under. $100000000.00 tolls. Then it becomes something we have to think about how about David Bowie remember when he 1st walked in I remember as I should very well. I had met David briefly the I haven't developed Ward's because I was there with Terry McAuliffe who had won best songwriter the year and I was managing him looking after him and the space of his he had been. And I thought was wonderful Well I lied about it. And subsequently as I just read music more and more he didn't write love songs everybody were even the Beatles everybody would love so in some form or other and he didn't and the other thing is he didn't sing in American accent I mean I love the animals I was a huge head but every burden came from Newcastle when you spoke to him you could barely understand him because we knew cost. In the studio he was lifeless Deep South from Mississippi Delta. But he wasn't like that you know he said so and he also say Ramos lads knew he was my hero and one of the things we spoke got together about was I love Anthony Newley so then David was under contract to Mercury Records and he made an album man who. We did no business tool possibly because we were very good press on the couple but it did no business at all and he wasn't happy and. His American for me to pull wife. And he was very powerful and he had energy. And they decided they should change their management so they asked who was the label head as they want to change their manager I did if we can and they're less oh well you could go see a lawyer return any lawyer said Well Julie I see my lawyer I've got these lawyers named Tony to freeze so they said yes they would see Tony advisedly. And then Tony came to see me I had known Toady when he was a lawyer. Involving me he most and I had met him so he came to see me to think I'm fed up being a lawyer. And I let come work with you I think what you're doing is great that started to have some hits now I would love grows. And also I've got David Bowie who would. You know look at the manager and I said he should come to you so this is Tony's talking if I come to you you know we can work in house bring in David Berry I thought maybe you give me you know give me share in the company and I like the idea of having an in-house lawyer and I like David Bowie. Because he didn't like the songs and he sang in English accent and I'd heard some his songs and I thought he's a great songwriter. So I signed him and we could not get a record deal and he couldn't get Gates Well I went with my wife and Marsha to could see him I think was Aylesbury and there were maybe 200 people in the room. And he was all for he had a very nice homes you know. But he was not a very good performer not charismatic at all privy androgynous look no he had he had the Android when he came to see me he and I and you were both toll skinny with red hair and very androgynous. Time assigning him. And it had this album wearing a dress and the perceived perceived wisdom at the time was goals ball records so even though you know probably half the heroes we gave it to Johnny Ray. They had to be match up you know all the film star Jimmy Dean and they were they going to say so I just said to David Lohr that I have a personal problem with it. Goes By records and he said yeah there were about it before and I believed him and I was right to believe him so we couldn't get a deal for him. So I did quite an unusual thing to do I put on my own money and put him in the studio and recorded several tracks and 4 with Donna Gillespie who we also signed who was a singer and here she was very close they were lovers when they were teenagers and that's his personal life is something I never go into and I was too young to be exposed to such things and to experience anyway. And we made this we we did pressing. It was a promo disc. And we use that to get a record deal and that promo disc not so long ago one was on e Bay for $10000.00. And I would throw in a more I mean I can't sat I don't remember I mean who knew it was so unimportant when I moved offices there would have been the promos new seekers' promos never was the promo you got you deal you never going to see them again so you throw So when you say. It's the sub sites of like of your biography What exactly do you mean. It just they were exciting times and I was dealing with. Music and I love the music but I you know they've It is an icon as Marilyn Monroe is an icon now I never. Know when you and who knew. At the age of 76. Not just singing but doing is 10200000000 for tolls so that's what I mean by her new. You know you did what you did join the day whatever you do you would and you didn't think one day you know this is going to be very important you didn't you just got only because you're making up as you went along and everybody and everybody heard that song about hunky dorey I think we can guess why it's oh yeah oh yes it's because. If I could get dory but the fans are going to be attracted I guess. But you know I said you know that was that was the promo I made the album hunky dory and under my deal with records and the masters so the 5 years after the contract was finished they would all revert to me . Sorry I would say look just look you know I'm the we're running out of time I have to ask you the obvious question perhaps the book is generally. Through the music industry yeah from the very beginning of the profit industries you know when British bands were trying to be like the Americans were in there and start creating their own thing of all of that So I mean it is something over 4050 year journey of all that sort of moves to what would you say was your greatest moment which group did well my greatest moment was actually masterminding and I did and I'm proud of it a cold case the. 10 McCauley was signed on an iniquitous contract to publishers and I took that case to the House of Lords and we won and I love I love songwriters and that and that. That really freed offices stop a lot so I was most proud of that as a contribution to the music business you came to blows or Sharon as well another famous impresario Yeah my 1st meeting with. The council Micky most got a call he was to see animals he got a call from the animals manager saying. I was the money's on the top and here's the money. Smash his office up piece of pizza ended up managing legendary manager Led Zeppelin but he was a tall man the 2 eyes would make the most of play then they were friends so I've been with them and I've prepared all my paperwork and if you know so they will in a new tone for years they said don't we're going to smash you off and I was being I think the gentleman you know you just. Let me deal with this please you know. Look you know I was an accountant or you I said I'm their accountant and I have a signed piece of paper for 48 because. I just. Told you to clear I said I'm going to get. Trey from any paper. If you doing it at my office. There are lots of. Really enjoyable read appreciate your coming into as a pleasure hunky dorey Marcus Lawrence Meyers how would you describe yourself you cover because he's so. Strong I mean. Producing the film I'm currently going to film Oh. You're joking. I played together. That's going to. Be I didn't we didn't. The president well that's sad. Here's busy. Produce to play. The rainbow we took it to the west end of the pool of way and I got the children and I'm going to make you feel wow I can say I'm insane but now it's a very good. It's a. Very bad film but this is a very good world you chose right subject and great work you're back where she supernaturally you have Lawrence thank you very much for crank you for having me. When you. Play nearly anyone in this b.b.c. Radio I think. We welcome local radio stations from across the b.b.c. This is. The main news assailant of Osama bricks is expected to be in the Commons and is full of it late to level out Manchester United they are is once again the topic of conversation and you can listen to this programme This is b.b.c. 3 of the b.b.c. 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