Also the man who hunky durian also do codes for David Bowie Mick Jagger and many more will hear about the longest nonstop commercial passenger flight and its success really in Sydney took over 19 hours to fly direct from New York as well who saw Super imitations around Also we get a sense of just how badly jet lag in some cases going to shift work affects the body. Has been heavy shelling across the Line of Control that separates the Indian and Pakistani minister of Kashmir both sides of Globe each other for the escalation in firing which is seen soldiers killed on both sides let's get more from a poor Lord's role Tandon The Line of Control separates Indian administered Kashmir from Pakistan administered Kashmir remember both these nuclear powers lay claim on the valley though if you go there as I have on many occasions many many would tell you that actually they are quite fed up of both countries what we often see is firing and we've seen that over the course of the last few months particularly since India decided to remove the autonomy remember Article 370 from its part Indian administered Kashmir that really led to an increase in tension in the area a lockdown in the area and an increase in tensions between both countries I think what is significant over the past 24 hours is we've seen some of the heaviest shelling taking place for quite some time now some are calling it the deadliest day it's very difficult to be able to accurately say how many people may have died in the show. Having because both sides give very very different figures and very different stories about what's actually taking place but I think it's fair to say that over the past 24 hours we could have seen at least 9 people being killed because of the shelling with that will mean that people who live near the borders across the Line of Control will as they've had to do on other occasions before flee their house and I think the world will be extremely concerned in this evening and in the early hours of the morning about rising conflict over a disputed region that is seen so many wars between 2 nuclear powers indeed there is there has been some strong comments from the Indian army chief was here to see. Yes there has been some very strong comments from him I think you also have to take into account at the moment the the timing of where we are because we're heading towards the winter that means that the past that many people can move between what India would say would be some of the terrorists who enter Indian administered Kashmir will begin to get shut down this is always a very crucial Emerita and time in that area but let's hear now what the Indian army chief. Has been saying we have picked up some definitive information that. Some of the. Not of the people. In these camps. And that they are likely to infiltrate last evening an attempt was made in in which we did suffer 2 of our soldiers getting killed one civilian also died and all this was to ensure that they can push on leaders Pakistani army both worlds will bear the brunt of reaction and as of now the information that we have. 6 to 10 Pakistani soldiers have been killed it's very important to say that is the Indian side of the story the Pakistani army they released a statement saying that that's not the case at all that actually 5 civilians and only one Pakistani soldier has been killed so as we said at the beginning it's difficult to verify the information and both sides keep saying that shelling was responsible the other party started it and we killed more soldiers of there than they killed of which I think tells you that so much of this is about domestic consumption. Is there a risk though that this could escalate I think there is doubt and I mean earlier this year we had India and Pakistan almost on the verge of war where we saw India launching strikes inside Pakistan we saw an Indian pilot being held by the Pakistanis and I think if you look at what is. Happened over the course of this year it's been one of the most tense times between these 2 countries and there is always that possibility that is the shelling increases as the deaths on both sides increase that it could escalate and I think if you look at what's happened over the last couple of years we seem to be in a much more tense situation between these 2 countries that then then there was previously the shelling last year across the line of the control was the heaviest for 15 years I think that's going to be replaced by the shelling this year so there are such a number of global problems that people are having to deal with politicians are trying to deal with but it seems that India and Pakistan could be heading quite close to was the top of that agenda once again road sounded in the the longest nonstop commercial passenger flight has landed successfully in Sydney the Qantas plane took just over 9 Senos to fly westbound direct from New York the airline is considering whether to begin regular nonstop flights between the cities and it's enlisted the help of university researches to find out how such a long flight effects passages in crew well carry part is in associate professor at the University of California Santa Cruz Cruz and she specializes in molecular studies and so did rhythms which basically means she can explain the science behind a started by asking her what. Rhythms so circadian rhythms arise fundamentally within every cell in your body and in doing so what they do is cordon ate a daily rhythm of about 24 hours times behavior in physiology from your head to your toes and so we know from many studies that when a light disrupts circadian rhythms such as what you'd see in jetlag I love Ben's description that it makes you feel discombobulated right so it leads to a decent going to say sheen of clocks in your body and inability to not synchronize but the lighting by. Minute where you've landed after a long flight and is that how your body is affected by traveling through different time zones Absolutely it really goes beyond just a lack of sleep although that's certainly a profound and painful experience to stay awake at night but it also influences many aspects of the physiology in your body from your metabolism and your cardiovascular function to the synthesis of hormones so it really has a quite a wide ranging impact on your health I'm sure you. Did see if men and women were meant to fly God would have given them wings and yet we meant to fly only does it matter if. Rhythms don't mean with that fly is it really matter well but there are many studies showing that a lack of synchronization between your internal clock in your environment which is best described as jetlag that actually has pretty profound health impacts and that's mostly been noted in shift workers who kind of put themselves under the situation as part of their work with that being said there is hope perhaps we know that light has a powerful effect in synchronizing our internal clocks and so it sounds like this clock just really used late to their advantage to try and begin the process of adjusting internal clocks with the environment keeping it brightly lit Trigg sample at night the passengers were told to set their watches to Sydney time after boarding and they were kept awake and so night at least Night throw a nice in Australia what impact will this have on the. Well I like it's a step in the right direction I'd say so by extending your walk to watch just any time and beginning to live you know in the sort of future time zone you begin the process of adjusting to the new times sadly we know that it takes quite a bit longer than that to adjust at the mo. Secular level so there. Is about that you can adjust to about one time zone for every day for every day that you've been there so like Ben mentioned it often takes 567 or even more days to fully adjust to local time so what the Qantas flight has done is just started that in a sense by having everybody behave as though they're in Sydney time and it's bought everybody about a day of advance and the passengers and crew were more needs to do this test fly what will they do what with. The looking out for and monitoring them. I'm not sure of the exact details I wasn't associated directly with the study but it's typically found that we can monitor really simple physiological patterns like blood pressure that exhibits a circadian pattern where it's lower in our biological night time and higher during the day so simply getting readouts of things like body temperature and blood pressure lets us know what your internal timing is so I'm guessing they measure that the other thing that's really common and at least amongst pilots is to measure cognitive performance say in reaction times right because we know that after we stayed awake all night or if we're trying to work late at night that we auction Afton have poor cognitive function and our reaction times are blended when you don't. Prefer. Do I dance the Macarena. I have not I'm sorry I know it sounds like a silly question I was just wondering if the dog SUV America or no border fly has any use is with who does any good you know I'm going to say that that not only would it be good but it actually might help you in train your clock so many people are shown that time restriction of exercise in other words exercising when your biological clock is in its daytime mode and that can actually help to synchronize clocks as well so by waking everybody up and having them synchronize their dancing on study time they may actually help in training it you did mention shiftwork how similar is a 19 hour flight to what shift work is on the go or or night work is in particular . Well I don't know that it's so much the length of the flight rather than the shift in time zone and with a 12 or 13 hour shift in time zone it's basically like inverting your daytime for night time and this is often what we see for people who work shift work in that rather than getting up at 6 in the morning and heading into work they may get up at 6 pm and head to work and so in that aspect shift work is quite similar to the time difference at these travelers are feeling. So it's no good for our health basically . Yeah I hate I you know I hate to be doom and gloom but I know the World Health Organization has recently as a circle years ago listed shiftwork as a probable carcinogen and because it just wrapped circadian rhythms and the sort of time cues that keep tumor cells from growing. Any good news for shift because it's over anything for example you know we might benefit from hearing over and over. And over again about what's going on in our parliament with regards to Briggs. Well actually you know being out of the news cycle is one positive benefit I guess the powder news that we have right now is that there's you know many people in our field who are working on how to use light to better manipulate clocks and there's hope that we can use these fast easy and very cheap sort of tools to help people align their circuit and rhythms better so there's a serious question from the examples you've given from from this or at least from what you can. Grasp from the experiment this 90 now like experiment the lessons that we can do is not work is it shift work because for example I imagine one of them is to do some exercise was women are. Absolutely yeah I would say exercise and eating when you're active so for you shift workers at night that will be having breakfast lunch and dinner at night instead of during the day those are things that can help and then finally as I've mentioned already late is just this very powerful cue for a body and so there's just a phrase that's commonly used in our field that you want to have a good light. Meter those are 2 words people have put together but the idea of getting bright light when you're in your active phase and dimming light when you're supposed to be in your restful phase can really help to promote strong circadian alignment with the environment as Professor carry. The new. Most of California Santa Cruz know one or 2 of you thought I'd lost the plot when I asked her if she could does macaroon or if she owns it sensibly I thought you know it's important all these things are important when you're 19 hour flight apparently government ministers say that they're determined to forge ahead with efforts to get Boris Johnson's Bragg's a plan approved by parliament even though he's had 2 hours Brussels to extend the departure deadline Michael Gove has told 5 Live that he's stepping up preparations for a no deal Briggs's because there's no guarantee the you will grow in the u.k. Another extension Labor's says it will back moves to put the deal to a referendum so who so much uncertainty about what the coming few weeks will bring How are e.u. Nationals over here preparing Stanislav scuzz Inskeep is from the potage newspaper is 80 vibe 0 shows which has been asking polls living in the u.k. If they're applying to stay in this country and certainly some people are because of break they are deciding to move back but it's not only because of breaks it breaks it isn't that sort of an excuse also many people who move here. Have it's feeling that they when they when they were leaving Poland it was temporary for the time being and and so many of them were waiting for a moment to go back to see helpful and it's after the old is years and yes so so I think I think it's you know a bit of an overstatement. But yet only just over a quarter of Polish people living here have applied for settled status how do we explain the. Well I think that pools are waiting most of them are just waiting if they will have to to to to apply for it at all because you know what's happening at Winston's there is hardly helping all these calls for registering for that applying for the settled status so I think it's mostly were well once once breaks it will be a fact it will change a lot. Had an article around in the box a couple this this week it was written by a former Polish press agency is correspondent in the u.k. Could Obama and they article was titled breaks it will happen in days which was an call to action and well basically on the day because it was printed in this weekend's edition So basically on the day over publication this article was out of date so I think that's the that's the reason the polls are are not through applying for several starters they're just waiting for fall for it all to be set them and want it while and they still have quite a lot of time to do it. You say that but as far as I remember from our last conversation hasn't the Polish embassy itself been going now turning Polish people resident embrace him go in apply if you'll settle status a.s.a.p. Yes I mean everyone saying that we are you know there is never enough of telling people to do it because you know even if brags it will be either in the article think there will be revoke that or whatever it will hardly. Damage a thing but I think people are just you know for fair as they are while potholes have quite poor experiences with paperwork and with their country so they are quite reluctant to. Do any think if they if it's that's not really necessary and they are of course upright that they want to be offered the settled status and once that happens you know that's easier not to do anything then to to face to face the this situation. Yes so so so I think you know that. That's going to change once once but once. The u.k. Will be leaving the in no time with or without a deal and. Yes but of course of course polls need to be to be doing that and you know and but but I think we hardly have any any any solid arguments to to perswade them to do so. Do you think that level of participation will increase. Over 31st to beyond the 27 percent level of Poles who applied for settled stages with an increase I think it will I mean once we know what's going to happen because now we're again again in the sort of a limbo waiting for the to decide about the extension for the House of Commons to decide whether they will be able to approve the Mr Johnson's deal or not and put through all the legislation needed for fall for it to be implemented so once that happens there will be said that they are think instantly the numbers will go up but what I'm most more you know what I've gathered from the from from from Mr Cooper the article. Was that actually it is not the only thing that polls need to worry about because applying for us adults that is not a very demanding and long you know that complicated procedure but what they really need to focus on is actually their documents because isa defense need to make a double sure that their passports are up to date. And that they are national I.D.'s are up to date because. These documents will be more and more difficult to get those drugs it and crossing the border without a passport will be impossible somewhere in 2020 so that's what I think the 3 sex education story in the Gazette see this morning. Well it's not our story it's actually something that happened in Poland we're writing a lot about it because it's well it's gathering a lot of attention not surprisingly because there is this campaign which is right to live and air and it is. A goal shin very catholic have found they have found that organization and we each table to Bill. To. 2 equal sex education we've paedophilia so however all that that sounds in Poland every bill supported by $100000.00 of citizens is considered by a parliament but this one is is particularly odd because actively It will penalize sex. Sexual education because it penalizes informing about and educating for on undertaking sexual activities by an minors and introduces a premier prison sentence for the world to be a crime and in the explanation of the bill the campaign explicitly stated that it targets. L g b t n 6 will educators because they come from children with demoralizing contents when they are with their teachers and parents can't help the children and quite surprisingly just after the election it was to go. Their ruling hello and Justice Party voted the bill through it was the 1st vote in Poland Bill generally needs to vote to needs to pass the Parliament twice in all that become a law. So M.P.'s for now decided to send the bill to parliament. Theory works in the comedies and so the final vote is is ahead of us but Law and Justice told that they will support the bill they don't want to actually the cation in school because it's against Catholic about these and and they also decided that. That sex education will be punished by 5 years in prison Anstead free to campaign this work calling for. This is quite possibly because this is not exactly at the same time Pope Francis stated that sexual education is very needed in schools so that's kind of startling coal how things develop their status laws goes into going from the British newspaper go search bushes after the news is well we'll hear pop music I will go in for him on pop music you know because my 1st as governor later is 5 Live headlines as. On digital b.b.c. Sound smart speaking. This is b.b.c. 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The one with your fingers in your Look yeah that's right yeah right if you are rolling around in sales and say oh yeah yeah yeah. But. You know who knew that years later where great deal more as you go through all the new romantic and war and Teddy boy is all of that but it's part of life well you could've done that when you moved from the East End to Holloway and it's now 3 Prague now very gentrified of course not the same it's. The rainbow in your day it was known as the story know your story cinema Yeah nowadays it's just a church Yeah. Well I think it was a question of health and safety they could they weren't out when it was a rainbow then that cut down the numbers I think promoted there from time to time and then they cut it down to 6 or 700 and I think maybe this so now it's a church it was one of the great venues of North London were talked about where the lights of Monte played James Brown played many of us played there as well everybody but that was your man that was bang in the hearts of North London bad story music wasn't your 1st love you had into being an accountant Well that was never my love. When I was 60 I have school where everybody did in those days oh my none nobody went to university nobody but you know a school and you went to a and I didn't know what I wanted to do and I was 16 years old. And I'd like to be a Latin American percussionist which would be very nice very exhausting very. Didn't have talent but I had the desire and I looked by the way. More than that anyway. He did everything everything I wanted to be Tony just like you were interviewed him at one point I just sat in the same room and I was and I couldn't. So anyway when I was 16 I got the Jewish mother's list you know you can be a doctor or dentist or there must be my mother never spoke about that was Jewish I said listen I don't want to be any of that so I said I'll be an accountant. And I was hopeless I was an interest to the cafe my exams and. I got paid when I was. Called apprentice and I got paid 15 shillings 75 p. a Week which even in the olden days pretty to Keynesian and it paid for my fare. And for my lunch. So I I would pick a day market on Sundays for 5 years. And. Living so this would have been more in the fifty's but this was an I was 16 sometime in 105252 so I were in the market when I was 18 for about 4 or 5 years and it was a huge market in those days you draw up into the seventy's as well. It's a bit of a boast. On the clabber waste which is now building it was. Like there was never a practical learn it was Middlesex 3. As well so you were off off Broadway. Yep I did that and until I ventured Lee qualified and I'd had no training as I was apprentices tiny firm or 2 brothers they had no plans of any. And so I decided. They were bullies it is true I thought I would never hold down a job. So I met another young guy who had any school. Who had 2 dark suits he looked like an accountant and we got on very well so I went into practice together as could miles and we had a little tiny office in plainer street of a Bond Street a tiny 3 feet 4 I says tears past drinking past the table we had this tiny office and. There and then we actually moved. And we got very lucky we got a client called Mickey most. It was certain differences he will. Remain or it just changed my life yeah it just changed my life as you don't know Mickey Mouse was the musical impresario producer I mean here Donovan Lulu Jeff Beck the animals the Alamo the most famous house of the rising sun indeed and I bought the house the rising sun my client my partner on a plane you said I'm backing this young guy making most of the record company and this came back and told me. And I said he'd made house the rising sun you know I bought it I play it there so I said I want to look after him and it was fine about it. So I began to look after me and we got on very well when you say look after doing is it causes or how do you know I was a council account is more doing it count business support in concert this is a time when many people in the music business didn't really know out add and subtract they did what they should be earning. The music business was like the Wild West it was totally new it was new I mean the animal was all that animals their manager might Jefferies I think at a pub or club and these Newcastle is came and played and they didn't have a manager and he said I'll be a manager they said Ok I have a say in Newcastle and he became the manager and you know if if if the mill woman said I've got a song he will say that predicted you would know when you say let me hear it. It was a brand new business and it was it was it really was like the Wild West when I was a lot of the people involved in this release the individuals the ox's the producers and so on they were paid. No parents incomes Well it's where negotiated came in. Because the record companies were making a fortune. A single sold for 6 shillings and 8 pence and I won't go into detail with magick after you know purchase tags discount after everything they were left. With a margin of about 14. P. Pence and the Beatles famously were paid $11.00 between the 4 of them. $1.00 to $1.00 for every 3 or 4 victory in the fall rather. I mean that in the measure it I mean it is exactly nothing so and I learned from this big bad wolf in music business Allen Klein and he told me that he is an American McCain He was an American there came over because he wanted to get involved with Mickey and. I was very new to the business making would be my client for a few months everybody would know want to learn from you know there was no there were no media courses if you were an abuse it business if you musician you played music but on the administrative side you know if a record company were looking for executives they couldn't you just met somebody and they said I want to be in the n r department and you gave them a job so he showed me how much margin they have. And the other thing was how much the record companies were really dependent on the Beagle it is not just for the money they made in those days a lot of independent record shops and independent traders they decided they paid in the month so if you are a salesman and have record sales we sold records. And you went to the shop and they wanted to buy you know if you deck you got the Rolling Stones new Rolling Stones were. They pay their bills I know only that if you're a company with a major artist other artist want to be there and the power of the artist was witness to a very famous meeting which is when this guy Klein. You know he was a lot of people hated him some with reason. He was only ever got to meet Mickey Mose from the if you like a 1000 pound producer exactly a millionaire and you know exactly exactly and I witnessed and I was part of them I helped do that and. There was a very famous meeting with Decca and Dick was run by Sir Edward Louis owned Dick I think he'd made his money from radio it was a real old English you know florid gentleman and it was Allen Klein myself and to all of that time was co-managing with Stan's Angelou go to. The wonderful and reduce order and we went in there with 5 Rolling Stone. Rehearsed and they were all looks as they were told Mr behind and set them on a time Charlie wanted time will you whatever I say yes Alan Yes Yes gentlemen you made leave me. The Rolling Stones are not recalled for any more and he said we have a contract. That's pretty cool to decide you may or may know in the meantime they're not only coffee anymore and the thing is you cannot enforce a contract person who says you can stop somebody you know if you're under contract to me I can stop me working for somebody else or make you and if you could what's the point in. Going to record nursery rhyme as many conceptual artist fell into the car exactly as Stone Roses that is in the future which Michael yells Tonya Harding for any of his dispute with which ever was a soldier which I saw in years or. So I learned I learned that and. I I became the go to accountant for the music business which was a brand new business because you know the animals said this $1.00 bill and they all said so suddenly I had this from nothing a very successful music business practice. And I was not a good accountant was I was not trained on a stick to my wife and say if I was a doctor I'd be killing people you know this is so after 5 years I built up this tremendous roster of people I was associated with and if you are the people you represent you know if you go in doesn't matter who you are you know. You are agent and you represent well but in Nero and Leonardo Dicaprio you are important and if you don't you know important don't matter how you the same guy by defense he represents you're a star boy so seriously exactly exactly what people wanted to do it's not some ice that people want to deal with you so I one of the people I was involved with was one of a guy who Miley and it was a writer producer. And it was Mike who said to me why you here you know I hate it he was a brilliant musician a very talented did wonderful things he stars of life as a lawyer. And when he was 19 he stopped and went and became who produce an arranger So he said to me just just leave you know and here I'll come with you and Tony Macaulay who was also looking after also one of the phenomenal. Writer producer of his time. And I did a deal with. Bill records who financed me to go my own and I took you know one and one of the other all and I went full time into the music business. And it changed my life you just run your autobiography anyways which is fire which is far and tragedy but 60 is. No no no it's sort of enjoyed it so far it's going to get. Much more. Dusty because you mentioned the Rolling Stones you know you'd met Mick Jagger before that when when I was their accountants you go through loads of stuff this must be a bit out of hand you know. In the media now it's me said to me I should have a pension in case and it wasn't quite like that we were talking about variety of things you know insurance pensions and mixing pensions. After all I won't be singing when I'm 60 and you know how we laughed because he is past 6076 and he still going strong. So you know that was the start and. They changed when Alan became a manager and he gave them to me as a client. They left their previous manager. Eric Easton and they would have his office so they had no it's a safe bet a year I found space for them in my accountancy offices and the Rolling Stones were run from my office in a very important time in their life and they had 2 or 3 b. Hits already and have any money because the money hadn't come through that surprises me that they weren't for allegedly savvy. Musicians people in the Elysee me did yeah but you know did you know the thing I lot of musicians have become unbelievably wealthy and a lot of other people have become unbelievably wealthy but musicians are unbelievably wealthy doing what they love you know I mean you my behavior fund manager and you could be worth 300000000 and you might like the buzz but you can't be in love with what you are creating if you resist they're in love with what they're creating and that was a delight a delight to be around and that distracts them then from the it's not some bowl of finances because now days reading says probably the most astute of all the musicians Yes because because. After all. You know you start off unifor transit van this 5 year or whatever it might be and you go from gig to gig and you hope the van doesn't break down have to run a petrol have a lot of money for petrol and it's just surviving from week to week and not having to get a proper job and then eventually you get a few more gigs you work a lot more consistently and you're sort of making a living and then Andrew Oldham Andrew Loog Oldham. He was 90 and he was a real genius because. He made the Rolling Stones what they are he looked at the Beatles and he looked at an e-mail he made them into the not the animals in the banya animals but into animalistic. Image vigilance the position of Brianna Yeah and these were wild guys and you know. And they were thrilled Scruggs like no no. You know when they were in my office that had they had 2 or 3 hits 1st of all record company recoups the cost Secondly they're not the quickest payers in the world and if they get the money from abroad you know they sit on it and they supposed to account for every 90 days so they didn't actually have any money they'd had success but they didn't have any physical cash so you know what to do with their money wasn't an issue that money and of course later on when they saw him do it. $100000000.00 Taus. Then it becomes something we have to think about how about David Bowie remember when he 1st walked in so I remember as I should very well. I had met David briefly the I haven't developed. Because I was there with Terry McAuliffe who had won best songwriter the year and I was managing him looking after him. And the Space Oddity had been. And I thought was wonderful Well I lied about. And subsequently as I just read music more and more he didn't write love songs everybody were even the Beatles everybody would love some in some form or other and he didn't and the other thing is he didn't sing in American accent I mean I love the animals I was a huge head but every burden came from Newcastle when you spoke to him you could barely understand him because with Newcastle. In the studio it was life in the deep south Mississippi Delta. But it wasn't like that you know he said and he also savoring my sad he knew he was my hero and one of the things that we spoke got together about was our love of Anthony Newley so then David was under contract to Mercury Records and had made an album The Man Who. We did no business tool possibly because who very dress on the carpet but it did no business at all and he wasn't happy and. He's American for me to pull wife. And he was very powerful and Angie had energy and they decided they should change their management so they asked who was the label head said want to change your manager and I did if we can and I said well you could go see a lawyer return any lawyers have said will want to go see my lawyer I've got these lawyers names telling you to freeze so they said yes they would see Tony advisedly get out the contract I mean Tony came to see me I had known Tony when he was a lawyer. He most and I had met him so he came to see me said to think I'm fed up being a lawyer and I like to come and work with you I think that what you're doing is great that started to have some hits now I would love grows. And also I've got David Bowie who would. You know look at the manager and I said you come to you so this is Tony talking if I come to you you know we can work in How slow are bringing David Bowie I thought maybe you give me. Share in the company and I like the idea of having an in-house lawyer and I like David Bowie. Because he didn't write love songs and he sang in English accent and I'd heard some of his songs and I thought he's a great songwriter. So I signed him and we could not get a record deal and he couldn't get Gates Well I went with my wife Marcia to could see him I think was Aylesbury and there were maybe 200 people in the room and he was all for he had these very nice homes you know in his underwear but he was not very good performer not charismatic at all privy androgynous look you know he had he had the Android when he came to see me he and I and you were both toll skinny with red hair and very androgynous. Time assigning him. And it had this album or a address and the perceived perceived wisdom at the time was goals ball records so even though you know probably half the heroes we gave it to Johnny Ray. They had to be match up you know all the film stars. But they didn't say so I just said to David Lohr that I have a personal problem with it. Goes By records and he said yeah there were about it before it and I believed him and I was right to believe him so we couldn't get a deal for him so I did quite an unusual thing to do I put on my own money and put him in the studio and recorded several tracks and 4 with Donna Gillespie. Who We also signed who was a singer and he she was very close neighbor lovers when they were teenagers and that's his personal life is something I never go into and I was too young to be exposed to such things and experienced anyway. And we made this we we did pressing. It was a protest. And we use that to get a record deal and that promo disk not so long ago one was on e-bay for $10000.00. And I would throw in a more I mean I can't set I don't remember I mean who knew it was so unimportant when I moved offices there would have been the promos of the new seekers promised never to Perm you got you deal you never going to see them again so you throw. So when you say. Lawrence subsites if you like of your biography What exactly do you mean. It's just they were exciting times and I was dealing with. Music and I love the music. David Bowie is an icon as Marilyn Monroe is an icon now I never. Know when you get that and who knew. At the age of $76.00 me Jack not just singing but doing is $1200000000.00 full dollars tolls so that's what I mean by when you. You know you did what you did join the day whatever you do you would and you didn't think one day you know this is going to be very important you didn't you just got on with because you're making up as you went along and everybody and everybody. Hunky dory I think we can guess why it's Oh yes yes it's because. If I could get dory but the fans are going to be attracted to I guess. I did you know that was that was the promo I made the album hunky dorey and my deal with r.c.a. Records I owned. The Masters So there are 5 years after the contract was finished they would all revert to me. Sorry I would salute just look you know I'm the we're running out of time I have to ask you the obvious question perhaps the book is generally sort of. Through the music industry from the very beginning of the profit industries you know when British brands were trying to be like the Americans when they're creating their own thing of all of that So I mean it is something of a 4050 year journey that of all that sort of moves you what would you say was your greatest moment which group did well my greatest moment was actually masterminding and I did and I'm proud of it a cold case. For 10 McCauley was signed on an iniquitous contract to publishers and I took that case to the House of Lords and we won and I love I love songwriters and that and that. That really freed artists up a lot so I was most proud of that as a contribution to the music business you came to blows or Sharon as well another famous impresario Yeah yeah my 1st meeting with. The council Micky most got a call he was to see animals he got a call from the manager saying. I was the money's on the top and here's the money. Smash his office up Peter Peter ended up managing a legendary manager Led Zeppelin but he was a tall man 2 eyes would make the most of play then they were friends so I'm going with them and I prepared all my paperwork and if you know so they would need a new job for years and they said don't we're going to smash you off and I was being I think gentlemen you know you just. Let me deal with this please you know. Look I mean you know I was an accountant like you I said I'm their counsel and I have a signed piece of paper of authority and you can't use the word the said. I just. Told you to clear and I said I'm going to get. And he would have been there and took a tray from any papers and said. If you're doing it at my office. There are lots of. Really enjoyable read appreciate you coming in to talk to me it's a pleasure hunky dorey Marcus Lawrence Meyers how would you describe yourself you cover because he's so. Strong I mean. Producing theater and film I've currently got a film. You're joking did you produce it I played together I put that together. I did really did. The president well that's that's. Here's busy. Produce to play. The rainbow Western This is. The main news. Breaks it is expected to be in the Commons and is for live. To level at Manchester United they are is once again the topic of conversation and you can listen to this program this is b.b.c. 5 live with the b.b.c. News of. Just also in the speaker of the House of Commons John Bercow is expected to rule out some meaningful vote lights a. Deal ministers believe they have the support to get it through the parliamentary Convention says the same question can't be debated twice in a sentient or Europe editor Kathy Adler says leaders are waiting to see what happens in Westminster Boris Johnson promised leaders that they need a negotiated deal would be approved by the majority of M.P.'s if he is proved right maybe we don't need an extension think evaders or possibly just a short one to tie up legislation but if he's wrong and M.P.'s rejected this new deal or there's a call for a general election then a longer extension would be needed the Stillman's assembly in Northern Ireland today for the 1st time in 2 and a half years the temporary recalls to allow a debate on chain. It is to the abortion law which due to come in at midnight it's a goodish forces in northeast Syria sailor drawn from Russell lane the town which is near the border with Turkey has been besieged by Turkish forces an operation which began after the United States began withdrawing its troops Gabriel has a spokesman for the Kurdish led Syrian democratic forces says many of the group's soldiers have died a lot of them have been killed in this operation the same people who fought ISIS County in different from mine in the north trying to stop a Turkish invasion and I think what is happening now is a betrayal for the sacrifices that they have gave scientists in the cane us is teaming up to try to tackle cancer in its earliest possible stages and sharing ideas on the most promising and lease invasive tests and pilling resources for medical trials dollars a daily Crosby's from cancer research you can there are folks working on breast cancer there are folks working on you know your interest there are folks working on incredibly advanced molecular imaging where they can spot these cancers an incredibly early stage and then visualize them you see where they are in your body now these tests incredibly exciting technologies. Many Australian newspapers have published blacktail front pages as part of a campaign for media freedom is a strict security laws are preventing them from keeping the public informed Greg Jennett b.c. News it all goes back to June when a series of police raids were executed on a stray in journalists we don't yet know whether any journalist is going to be charged but it really did spark outrage internationally all public and private sector media organizations have thrown their white behind this campaign because it actually has been a creeping series of laws and constraints and some senior political figures in the north of England have written to Northern Rail demanding that President Chavez be reduced on route still using the old Rolling Stone known as places the train operators gone back on a promise to withdraw or withdraw them by the end of the year there's a photo of news Katie has the support Liverpool boss you're going Klopp says that Marcus rush his goal in the one all draw at Manchester United shows all the problems with e.a. Are Rushford I've no was allowed to stand by v.a.r. 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