That he's done everything he could to get the party into power labor suffered its worst election results in more than 80 years losing $59.00 seats to get a total of just over $200.00 seats earlier I spoke to Kate Ironside who's a former political journalist who's now a senior lecturer in journalism at the University of North am 10 and also the Guardian columnist and former political editor of The Observer Gaby Hinsliff I asked Gaby has will is she surprised by the election results Yeah I was shocked I mean I was expecting the Tories to win but I thought it would be a much smaller majority and this with them this was probably the talk. Of where some of the projections were a little bit over the top end but that wasn't you know where. Most people were expecting it to be it was almost like it once it once it happened once that will break down it will it will come down in a rush you know and suddenly it was a flood of the victory so yeah the exit polls were real a bit of a jaw dropping my master plan we saw Ok things really have changed I mean it was interesting I think I mean this the size of the majority is certainly surprising obviously you have to factor in the margin of error in any set of opinion polls and look at the trend of over the election campaign pointing at least to a majority but not as substantial as this maybe think that actually what might have been going on was something that we saw a bit in 1000 back in 1902. People weren't necessarily fessing up to being conservative supporters. Politics has got so polarized these days that sometimes people prefer to stay quiet in the middle or force of don't know why it opened to the wire and I think you know quite a few people were making a final decision in the privacy of the ballot box and my goodness it came down in Boris Johnson's favor to what extent was this a Briggs it election though if you like it another referendum on breaks into Once there was a referendum on Germany cool been. There's no getting away from you know the fabrics it causes enormous shadow over the whole thing but I think what made the election so complicated nor So what made it hard for many people to decide how they want and it made a whole trend piece to get a feel for what's happening on the ground was that people were struggling to mak their preference which might take me in one direction. Against their you know their their preferences and all the rest of the domestic stuff and kind of not being able to make them sit together so that a lot of people thinking I can vote with my new all try so but I don't feel like he'd like to go outside. So so what am I going to do it was a kind of election where bricks it collided quite on comfortably with all the other things that enough about bricks and coping very much to recall but it's been very clear that he wants to argue that the treaty is you know if it were down to breakfast and you know you'd have one if it wasn't for breakfast I honestly don't think that holds you know getting ready to carry. Your facts as you know I mean you look at the feedback from. Labor M.P.'s who survived last night and those who lost the seat and there's been some an interesting polling about the number of columns Corben was mentioned as an issue on the doorstep and you look at the scale of the collapse in those labor Hartman's in the Midlands and the north it wasn't people bricks it by a long to walk. And it's actually jaw dropping looking at the disconnect between what it presents as the most radical left version of all the labor policy that we've had for decades that purports to represent the working man and woman and yet the working man and woman weren't voting for them on Thursday and that for labor is a real challenge. But beyond that I think breaks it wards the fundamental issue. And the simple slogans of the conservatives get bricks it done to cut through and it can't through very very effectively played into that into the hands with out that message I do not think they would have been as we mostly successful in knocking down the labor was the only thing the Tories had going for them that to be honest I mean I think you know get breaks it down. Was obviously wheels of moxie at the time because it because course don't say anything else you know all this. And it turns out you know right now there's no but I mean if you look at I think the Tories were also doing well they look at the numbers they must of hacks and Tory remain a staying with them for fear of Corbin and I think we will you know obviously did our dramatic change is in those those norms and post industrial towns you know that it's a shock to say turned Tory but you know Labor lost badly across Scotland. Remain lost in some southern marginals you know places like Stroud which is incredibly remaining you know very green and very gaunt and raging and you know so you to say that that is just about bricks it doesn't explain why labor was losing in remains as well the labor was down. And you already see it's not just and it remains the source it was worse than. That and remain seats and I think the Tories did make use the only other thing partials never said to call them get it done was don't let Jeremy cope in and post as I was when the Tories they were indeed I did think it was interesting that if you drill down into some of the results in labor hold the if you put where the bricks party stood if you put the brakes support even to gether with the conservatives if Nigel for pulled out not fielding his candidate in the seat it is conceivable that Labor would have lost even more seats because that was the goal to see if you combine the conservative vote with the BRICs party that would comfortably have beaten labor. What Nigel Farrar did in AC was split the bricks vote and let labor through which of course was. The Tory message and see a scary thing for labor I think it's not necessarily. This is not necessarily its floor you know there are now a bunch of seats that used to be safe and didn't go this time but now have quite small margins of 90 we can't imagine Mazel cataclysmic performance it would have to cut into loose size as well but you know it's not necessarily as low as it can go. And actually if you break I mean for example one state Ashfield in North not in I'm sure there are I don't remember when I used to many many moons ago I was the lobby correspondent and not a new meaning to host Ashfield m.p. At the time Frank Haynes x. Miner he could weigh his boat the way the label whereas I was the last I went to I feel this time and it was transferred over to the Labor candidate she would clearly play and she was a great actor I thought she was really interesting likely candidate who was really you know. Guts out for that seat and behind the Tories and an independent you know I know I'm coming 3rd in Ashfield it just shows the mountain that Labor has to climb now. And you know looking forward it could take you know more than one parliament for labor to pick itself back up off the ground here you know this is a really bad defeat for them if you want to be optimistic and you know I'm sort of . Why whether it's people are looking for cheering up at this point it's only when you're sitting up there isn't as. Dire and disasters and awful and normally you wouldn't bounce back from this kind of thing so you know it's like practically there is no argument that says if the main problem and we know slim opinion polling out today that I promise Cohen what he's going to next problem with Bret said Well Ok you know at some point Rex is going to be dumb. We all know that we will eventually enter a post Brix it happened so whether or not you support it is no longer quite such an issue so there is an argument assess politics is so volatile now things can turn really fast may be you know you can people can come out of declines quicker than they used to be able to the past I am saying that is a very optimistic scenario I'm not necessarily going to happen Larry so there is a look at what to say yes I mean other interesting thing it I mean obviously some of the noise Johnson's day. He made the same gamble that reason may did and he won whereas she spectacularly lost. You know he has every reason to be trailing. You know credibly pleased with the conservative performance but that was actually the easy bit now it's going to get really tough yes he has a hefty majority in the House of Commons but the challenges ahead. On him then negotiating that long term deal with the European Union he set himself an arbitrary deadline of the end of the end of the 2020 a deal not scale has never been negotiated with such speed with before he says he can get it done we will have to see but there is still a we will danger that we might crash out without a deal. And then the backlash from the impact on the economy could be whale any over he's one nation aspirations. To deal with the public services it was interesting he was stressing that the Conservative Party had to meet the concerns of those who labor voters. Who put their cross in the poor ebox front to. Sort of them on public services but if you get a very honed bricks it or No Deal bricks it he wouldn't have the economic leeway to provide the money for that and that's even before you still all skiing the question of right Mr Jones and what is your great plan to deal with the crises such as adult social care which the men and part government of the government has ducked this issue it wasn't in the manifesto but he can't keep goal driven out of presto he committed to finding a cross party solution we're miles you know is a cop out option but I think it's particularly there's a problem with the time which is you know I would think goodwill between the parties is in preschool. The moment is not one left of the Liberal Democrats now either they have a leader at the moment because she lost her seat if Jeremy Corbyn stays around as he's suggesting he might tell next spring or whatever then the Labor Party's not going to have an acting major for a long time either so even if one wanted to get together a club with a hasty solution special there's not going to be a leadership that will agree to it no it's not a. Yes but the problem is the crisis is getting worse and worse and worse and people are really suffering and you take that building all along wave the brakes in negotiations not disappearing as some people think in a puff of smoke and we've got it done and now we can forget about it it's going to drag on and on and on and we get a whole bricks it and the public services all struggling and getting. Boris Johnson will have some questions too. From those labels that have given him. Really about public service I'm more optimistic about it because I think a bigger majority does create the conditions where that the most likely scenario in which Boris would be pushed to a no deal bricks it which I think we now know he doesn't want because he thought it was a last minute last comment the conditions in which he was going to be pushed that are a small minority with they are paying a sales and saying you have to you have to you know if you have. A majority of you are not quite as in hock to the had an attendant say so you know you have the flexibility I think and the conference that point if you leave at the end of January and you get to the end of the year and the trade deal is not done which as I say. You know I think he has the flexibility then to say Look out you know we've climbed to my We're never going back it's just going to take a bit longer to deal with it you know I think he has a certain amount flexibility for that I think that the problems are as you say public service is about the bourses never been very clear about what it was he stood for except what we need I think is a grand vision and I understand that there's a problem with those new seats I mean you can win those seats but if you want to win them again at some point. You need in the meantime to represent them and there are very different people look bunch of constituents perhaps in the next have to pass' used to representing conservative party is no longer now a sort of comfortable southern middle class party or it's no longer really that it's representing people with a whole different set of concerns it's got to think about whole range of policy areas that have not been its expertise before you know it's got to think about solutions post-industrial areas where you know Cohen's deal is going in there and he's going to replace them since I've been a big problem when you're used to absentee not massive sorry you know it's going to think about half a rather than higher education it's. I think this is rather than can be to think about school you need to think about representing a bunch of people who have different concerns to sort of crack story base at the same time as. The Katori base that it's still got to hold together and holding together that coalition seats I think is going to quite halt I think Parcells has also got hold on a Saturday holding up hold on just one second I just wonder if p. Before we carry on talking about the practicalities of the government and what the government will have to face can we just put a footnote on to the conversation of the post-mortem which no doubt will carry on long after this conversation this evening I wonder where the end is tied to what the practicalities of what the government will be able to do going forward I wonder if you would conclude existentially that this election this was our democracy is concerned was a election which reflected the will of the people or whether it's actually about the will of the political strategist the will of the media. If you know what I mean by that I wonder if we can sort of extrapolate from the result last night one way or another Kate 1st I will be reminded to say these the will all the people I think. There is a great deal of disenchantment. A lot of people are very very thread with an awful lot of activity in the Westminster bubble and you know social media campaigns by the political strategy I think they're just reflecting a plea we heard in our get bricks it done. We don't trust cool when it's applause from the party that we didn't like in the 1st place. Either you can argue that under the 1st of the post system you know pretty 2 percent voted to remain parties as 48 percent going to leave early forty's but this is the system we have. And I you know I think it just does represent the country really accurately. I think yeah I think if it had been close I think there would have been a real danger that people would have contested the result would have felt it really hard to contest except the result you know that a lot of well hang on portions not Tuesday throughout the campaign you know how do we know that people really knew what they were voting on it would be a lot of. Focus on this of dirty tricks during the campaign and so what if it had been really tight but when is this overwhelming I don't you can look to and say I want to turn to this really represents what people saw I think I think I think you're getting all South to say it doesn't and you know within that of course you always be sad that you know the media was harder on left wing latest than it is on right wing leaders because the media bribing press is more dominant but I think you know that is the whether you've learned to navigate that or you don't label it as you learn to navigate successfully when labor leaders who don't and that may not be fabulous how is in which case they can say conservatively that actually they have paid similar prices. In the past bios I think it's worth flagging up we very much focused on they laid. Conservative back to the story in Scotland and Northern Ireland is so important because we had different campaigns going on and I actually think this election is a potential real turning point the conservatives now have a clear route to break the bar in Scotland you had a terrific result for the Scottish who are committed to Scottish independence in Northern Ireland for the 1st time you now have more nationalist m.p. Than unionist and he. Says there is a real danger that we are you know within 10 maybe 15 years at the outset this country will no longer be United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland it will be the United Kingdom of England Wales and Scotland will go on and Northern Ireland will have joined Republican all and Kate are inside their form of political journalist who's now a senior lecturer in journalism in the new issue Northampton you also from the Guardian columnist and former political editor of The Observer Gaby Hinsliff And as you before he might have said once upon a time there's a mouse in my studio what am I gonna do let's leave that for now with my return and have a conversation about that later on but one story that probably has gone under the radar that would move if it hadn't been the day of a general election is that the u.s. And China every to provisionally deal aimed at easing the trade war between the world's 2 largest economies Washington said China as agreed to by more u.s. And we cultural products as part of the agreement Samir he's saying is sorry yes Samir Hussein is our business reporter in New York and she told me what we know about the deal what we see or what we have heard from both the United States and Chinese officials is that in exchange for the u.s. To roll back some of the. That it has imposed on Chinese imports coming into the u.s. It has got China to agree to purchasing a significant amount of American agricultural goods so we're talking about things like soybeans and pull tree and for the 2 sides they're both taking this as a when China has always wanted the United States to roll back some of these tariffs and in fact get rid of them altogether and the United States has always wanted China to really increase how much it buys from the u.s. Because I understand part of this deal is that China's agreed to buy American agricultural products as it yes it has now that is just phase one of the deal the challenge going forward of course is going to be negotiating phase 2 of the deal now u.s. President Donald Trump has said that he wants to start negotiating that right away the thing is is that the issues that the 2 sides actually going to have to get on about are really quite thorny there are issues with regards to intellectual property and protections for American businesses the United States treed office says that they did get some of those concessions from China already but the details around that are really unclear and if you think about China and the way that it operates it is not likely going to make changes to the way it does business because the United States has asked So this could be a big sticking point that will last for a very long time how important is this deal be Yong's the parameters of China and the United States on a global scale does it mean anything absolutely there is no question that this 19 months long trade dispute between the United States and China has done damage to both those economies but it is also had an impact on the global economy treat is impacted for by countries all around the world so assoon as you have one or 2 countries that are disrupt. In that you definitely see an impact around the world and I think that's part of the reason why there's been so many fears about this global slowdown part of it has to do with the fact that the 2 biggest economies in the world we're in a big fight I always find that when these trade deals happen somehow the American president does you know absolve the success if you like and cave it will he be the happier of the 2 leaders tonight and between himself and presidency he will be singing and dancing and you know humming Shiela not only will the way to the bank Well look I think the the trick with this particular agreement is that both leaders are able