It was almost impossible to eradicate the campaign founded by the radio presenter Paul Gambaccini and others who've been falsely accused Augie's that while the government will prevent the media from naming people under police investigation allegations of sexual offenses are extremely damaging the family of a British Bock Parker who's been missing in Guatemala for 5 days say they are desperately worried for her safety Catherine shore from Whitney in Oxfordshire was last seen at a hotel near Lake Atitlan one of the country's main tourist attractions her mother posted this message on social media I don't have one. You know to touch. And we are friends we meet you know it was so clear he turns it into us we don't just. Read and. Turkey is expelling 3 German journalists today a move which has increased tension between the 2 countries is Seoul to be the 1st time foreign correspondents have had their accreditation formally rejected Here's our turkey correspondent Mark no one the annual press card when you will in Turkey was in most cases a routine formality but this year for the 1st time the authorities have formally rejected the a creditor nation of 3 reporters for the German broadcasters Zedd D.F. And N.P.R. And the newspaper dead target Spiegel several other foreign journalists are still waiting for response to their applications those rejected are flying out today after a 10 day deadline to leave the country the decision is being seen as further pressure by the Turkish government on media freedom and the straining relations between Ankara and by Lynn Finally there is a yellow weather warning in place for snow this morning across Northern Ireland then it will stay cold and windy with some wintry heavy showers B.B.C. News. Just one of those all time classic so. Called hanging where you left me tomorrow. In between 9830 as I pull off the bleak out. Everywhere around good luck. Last days He wants to see the sunshine after the rain don't we all love but I don't think there's much thought of it having judged from the forecast we heard of the 8 o'clock but talking a bike the weather we know of to this survey you know one of my surveys from the British Science Association was a huge number of people it interviewed and among the respondents The 2nd thing that apparently people talk most to biked A is the weather the weather they reckon we think about it or talk about the weather for it or every week but because here there's so much going on one minute somebody the next minute it's rainy and it's our number one common past time in terms of you know small child the small talk and the chatter chatter about the weather and it's true I seem to have talked by the weather an awful every report and some numbers test for time it's not shocking I'm after all luck and weather blabber see we did all we did all Philip consciously and I'm surprised that so many it bores every week but when you think about it that's a whole working day that we spend other thinking a bite we're talking about the weather I love it but this wasn't just the things that we talk about it was really the activities that we indulge in the number one thing on that list in the survey which I loved was drinking tea 39 percent. 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Have a great week thank you very much Hello good morning you're all very welcome to Sunday sequence with me or 3 card from the busy program between now and a quarter past 10 I do hope you can stay with us coming up they broke the mold 25 years after the 1st woman priest we look at the impact on the Anglican Church and also on the program we have the technology from Gene editing to artificial intelligence is a time to stop fearing the future as humans we've changed the genes of species for millennia we've just done it by things like selective breeding this way all we're doing is actually changing genes in such a way that we know what the outcome will be a future in which machines do all the jobs a future in which humans do whatever we want to do we could have a 2nd for my songs those interviews coming up between half past 9 and 10 this morning and to many a true thing said in jest your words were dirty it was lovely to the little Catholics of more Frankel's Protestants hate the dairy girls on the degrees of religious difference we'll be talking about that after 9 we'll have the best of the Sunday papers with the newly Meredith and Nick Harper's as always we want to hear your views on all our discussions this morning you can tweet me at all 3 Carville all one word you can join the conversation on Twitter with the hash tags on the sequence where you can text us on H 1771 and the text will be charged at the standard rate by 25 years ago this week the 1st women were ordained as priests in the Church of England it took centuries to effect the change and yet now for many it's all rather on. Remarkable that almost a 3rd of the clergy are female However Opposition does remain within the church with some congregations exercising the right not to have a female priest or bishop or we're joined this morning by the Bishop of Rippon and the Leeds dices Dr Helen Nan Hartley in 2013 she became the 1st woman ordained as a priest in the Church of England to become a bishop anywhere in the world talked a hearty good morning good morning and you're very very welcome your thoughts as the 25th anniversary approaches this coming week I mean it doesn't seem that long ago yet so much has changed since yes absolutely I mean I've been reflecting myself that when they say that the dentist change happened I was an undergraduate students in my early twenty's that somehow now it's in any way seems so normal to have a female as as a priest or date now of course a bishop but of course in my life quite a lot has happened in the last 25 years so even though you know it doesn't seem like a lot of time actually the church gradually has changed I think its culture is it's changing too for the better by the fact that women and men could Komisar for the most part equally and there were 32 women ordained that day do you regard those women as real trailblazers Yes absolutely and in fact I was at Lambeth Palace a couple of weeks ago for the service can enter a 23 of the 1st the 1st woman and you have this big court has be with us and I was present such I haven't met her before but just to meet her and and hear her story and the story from the other women that I've been speaking to recently who were part of the 1st cold war and it's easy to take for granted I think that being being the 1st is actually quite a challenging thing to do and these women wear it anyway and still are regarded as absolute pioneers and you're ordained I think 12 years after they. Where you were ordained a priest in 2006 when you were talking to an Berners Lee were the stories very different or where they're very many similarities between you and I think there were similarities and differences I mean I think so different from my perspective you know the fact that there were women as priests when I was considering whether or not to be or DE meant that I had role models to look at and I think it's the case now that I find myself in the role as bishop that actually when you see somebody is not a role you can imagine yourself in it now the 1st where the course didn't have I mean that there were women of in other provinces of the Anglican Communion but in terms of home grown you know these women didn't have anybody really to to see in their role so they have to they have to make it for their own and that's that's quite a big difference I think between between then starting and say the starting 12 years later exactly where there are many though who in 2006 were still making their opposition to women priests clear to you personally you know not to me personally I think a but and in fact I think overwhelmingly and in my experience and I know a number of people who cannot accept my ministry but you know they are still supportive and I think that the so I haven't myself faced I mean I suppose the thing is you know a lot of the opposition comes passively although devil and it's actually quite difficult to articulate that I certainly haven't had anybody aggressively against me but I think the sort of low level and passive stuff you are aware of but of course the Church of England does expect fully those who cannot agree with the ordination of women and so you know that the church institutionally is in a position where it has to allow the different camps to flourish and that's quite a challenging place to be I think for the church yes I mean I'd like your views or not the fact that some congregations in 2019. Can still our Dodge of having women priests Well that's right and I mean that that is that is enshrined in the legislation of the church that's one of the reasons why the the legislation to allow women to become bishops managed to go through on the condition that it was right for for for people to to object and I think in conscience you know in my role because I have some congregations in my part of the diocese that cannot accept my ministry and it doesn't mean that they're not supportive or respectful towards me but it is the space that the church is in so we have to work with that do you try and persuade them otherwise. No that would be and that would be against I think the spirit of the mutual flourishing that was put in place but I think what's really important is that different groups can continue to have dialogue and conversation about it and be honest and I'm not sure that we're entirely in that space where we can still talk about it but I think is important. But is there is there not something still very wrong with an institution that OK On the one hand you're a bishop and there are other women bishops and priests but on the on the other hand it allows some congregations to still opt out as I mean that's that's fool equality isn't there that's right and I think that's that's one of the frustrating thing is basically looking from the outside into the church that the church being that the angle even if you look at it broadly is the Church of huge diversity and I think. You know the sort of a logical perspective on that to say well actually you just have to go the journey with this guy but some point it will make sense but right now in terms of my ministry you know I've got things that are front and center at what I do day to day and I just simply get on with that you know that is the space that the church is that worldwide so I think the best thing I can do is to continue to model positively what it is to be a female as a priest and that of course the bishop do the best I can do and marking 25 years since the 1st ordination to the Church of England at that time on that day I think when this $32.00 women were being ordained the officiating Bishop said he believed it would take 10 years for the 1st woman to be appointed as a bishop but it took nearly 20 years I mean did you think it would because long. I'm not to be honest with you I'm not surprised that it took more than 10 years given the pace of change in the church generally and some might say that actually it's happened quite quickly and with a general game of church history but I suppose it is a bit frustrating that it would take so long but I think part of the complexity around not all that some of the discussions were so entrenched there logically that you know the journey of compromise and coming to a position where everybody could support it was actually quite complex and quite long held so. There we go the church does not change quickly about her. Do you think I mean there's still it's bishop and that's as far as women can go at this stage do you think you will see women and being elevated to Archbishop within your lifetime I absolutely I mean there are a number of women who have been or are archbishop and of a province that in the you know there's no reason not or why the Church of England could not appoint and it has to be the right person in the role of a quite clear about that there's no reason I think why a woman could not be the Archbishop of York or in due course of course Archbishop of Canterbury I hope Peter in my lifetime yes exactly of course that the Church of Ireland on this island they've had female since the 1990 S. What's it like being a bishop was this is it what you expected it to be oh goodness. It's a fantastic thing opportunity and privilege and I love it and I think typically because I became a bishop in that about as far away as you could. From a bad that was utterly unexpected and so I you know I rejoice in the role it's a huge privilege and I say I do love it and I'm really grateful for all the women that are gone before me that have enabled those roles to be to be open and to people like me I want them within a primary school in New Zealand a little boy could have a hand that had to they can be shipped to. Love life but that was just it was just amazing you know the sort of Che that young people what they what they can imagine . You know thanks be to God about I'd like you to listen just to a very short clip of the Catholic Bishop of Derry Dr Dong McIlwain who I interviewed on this program a few weeks ago and I was asking him whether or not becoming a bishop is viewed by priests as a career progression and here's what he had to say I think now your days leadership in churches has been the enormous burden to be. But on people my understanding is that there may very well have been people who were asked to take on different seasons said thank you but those thank you I think leadership in church is seen as really a cross to bear not as a reward for a job well done nor do I think it's seen as a difficult task right but if you're in any way ambitious and you're starting your you you're in the seminary studying is it something though that you would set your sights on as a priest or God no no no absolutely not and I had a passion for it for working with people at leadership sublists makes it more difficult to be to be working closely with people and it certainly was something I've never had any desire for any more than being principal of a school and yet there's a job to be done in offering leadership in difficult times and I think the Lord was very clear about taking up the cross if you want to Berkeley in the gospel if you want to be some sort of coherent witness and in a time of enormous change so know what it's certainly is not an easy task to take on and be an idiot to want that sort of prefer haven't what do you make of bitter Bartley Well Larry that quite. I thought. I would agree with but I think. That he thought career progression because. It's a calling I'm not a cop out that that career number I'm not passing part of he but they check but I think that. It is not a career progression to be a bishop It is a quick office and role but some people are quite well thank you very much has been great talking to you this morning thank you for your time and the Bishop of Rippon in the Leeds diocese Dr Helen Mann Hartley 81771 is our number for your views this morning 842. Stories inside documentary house comes to mind. Is crossing the border that is the Belfast to Dublin and back again. I know where the order or where it is or when you're also you know it's a trip lots of people including me make all the time bombs on the train every day why is that a monkey but night brags that is coming down the tracks Yes really it just really. That's in the next stories inside this afternoon 1230 on the AC already alongst are also available on B.B.C. Sound. Now we know that Lent is underway and for some it's the annual commitment to abstain to sacrifice but is there a difference in how the various branches of Christianity view this period of 40 days with the 3 main churches represented here this morning Catholic priest Father Martin McGill Presbyterian minister the Reverend Dr Paul Beatty and Church of Ireland minister the reference Kevin Graeme You're all very welcome on Mars I suppose just to explain Lent it's reflecting the story of Jesus going into the desert isn't it is it is so in terms of the temptations on for example today. In certainly Catholic election reason or indeed the revised lecture as well will have from Matthew's Gospel chapter 6 Matthew's a kind of the temptations of Jesus those 40 days abstaining from food Kevan Is it a religious observance only in the Christian religion. Only the Christian religion as far as I know yes project within the church of ardent or prayer book which is what we would turn to define what we need to be doing at any particular season of the year it's quite clear that the days of Lent are day set aside for self-discipline and denial and were encouraged at the beginning of Lent to spend a time of self-examination repentance prayer fasting and reflecting those 40 days which will be read by this morning in our own church as well but the political dispose of land within the Christian tradition and start as we experience in the Church of Ireland is a prayer the fasting now is giving or as you might say in modern language the giving in that is recognized or depends on God the giving up of things and the giving away with things but I'd say of the Christian tradition I'm not certain of who widely is ached it's their daughter or mosques Yes poll How do Presbyterians approach lent do they give up anything well as