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So she's proud to have been the 1st woman to lead her party she'll be replaced after losing her seat to the s.n.p. Staying in Scotland and Boris Johnson has told victorious s.n.p. Leader Nicholas sturgeon he remains opposed to a 2nd independence referendum She's due to make an official request after her party won 48 out of Scotland's 59 seats Prime Minister let me be very clear this is not simply a demand that I or the s.n.p. I mean it is the rate of the people of Scotland and you as the leader of a defeated party in Scotland have no right to stand in the we in other needs for the 1st time in every major a uni unit in England has fails to hit its 4 hour waiting time targets where $118.00 departments fell below the 95 percent threshold in November there were also records delays finding beds for the sick his patients the u.s. House Judiciary Committee has approved 2 articles of impeachment against President Trump It sets up a 4 votes in the House of Representatives next week showing now Adler is the committee's chairman. And sad day for the 3rd time in a little over a century and a half the House Judiciary Committee has voted articles of impeachment against the president. For abuse of power and obstruction of Congress the House will act expeditiously and the Love Island presenter Caroline Flack has been charged with assault by beefing up the police were called to her house and is linked and she shares it with her boyfriend a man needed hospital treatment but wasn't seriously hurt those are the stories top stories let's get the support in his time goal former England midfielder Jermaine Jenas says he can't see anyone beating Liverpool this season the Premier League leaders can extend their gap over Leicester to 11 points later today and into an go 34 games unbeaten with genius also predicts they will break Arsenal's Invincibles record of 49 Meanwhile in contract news yeah Kloppers signed a new deal to remain as manager until 2024 with midfielder James Milner also extending his stay at Anfield for a fair the 2 seasons the European champions rugby saw the edge closer to the knockout stages with a 3410 pool stage when Harlequins Ospreys are facing elimination though their 4027 defeat by resting in Paris sees them remain winless from their 4 games world champion Joe Truong was shot 52 by fellow Englishman David Gilbert's in snooped a Scottish Open quarterfinals Mark Selby will be the semifinal opponent as he came from behind to be Ronnie O'Sullivan in the final frame decider on teenage ski is that we are keen as captured Britain's faced World Cup half pipe title in 5 years the 16 year old battled blizzard conditions to take victory in Colorado this is b.b.c. 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Saudi let the healing begin That's the message from Bros Johnson after the conservative election victory the prime minister says he hopes to win the win the will bring closure to the BRICs a debate and unite the country speaking in Downing Street he said his government would work around the clock to repay the voters trust in Him You also heard in the past day from Labor leader Jeremy Coburn who insists that he's done everything he could to get the party into power labor suffered its worst election result for more than 80 years losing $59.00 seats to get a total of just I would see 100 seats earlier I spoke to Kate Ironside who's a former political journalist is now a senior lecturer in journalism at the University of North Empson and also the Guardian columnist and former political editor of The Observer Gaby Hinsliff. I asked Gabby has will is she surprised by the ledger results Yeah I was shocked I mean I was expecting the Tories to win but I thought it would be a much smaller majority and this with me this was probably the top 10 where some of the projections were a little bit over the top end but that wasn't you know where. Most people were expecting it to be it was almost like it once it once it happened once that will break down it will it will come down in a rush you know and suddenly it was a flood of the victory so yeah the exit polls were real a bit of a jaw dropping my math that's the point we saw Ok things really have changed I mean it was interesting I think I mean this the size of the majority is certainly surprising obviously you have to factor in the margin of error in any set of opinion polls look at the trend over the election campaign pointing at least to a majority but not as substantial as this maybe think that actually what might have been going on was something that we saw a bit in 1000 back in 1902. People weren't necessarily fessing up to being conservative supporters. Politics has got so polarized these days that sometimes people prefer to stay quiet in the middle or for that don't know why it opened to the wire and I think you know quite a few people were making a final decision in the previous day of the ballot box and my goodness it came down in Boris Johnson's favor so what extent was this a Briggs it election though if you like it another referendum on Briggs and so once there was a referendum on Germany cool been. There's no getting away from you know the fabrics it causes enormous shadow over the whole thing but I think what made the election so complicated nor So what made it hard for many people to decide how they want and it made the whole trend piece to get a feel for what's happening on the ground was that people were struggling to mak their preference which might take me in one direction. Against their you know their their preferences and all the rest of the domestic stuff and kind of not being able to make them stick together so that a lot of people thinking I can't cope with my new all try so but I don't feel it if you succeed leap to go outside. So so what am I going to do it was a kind of election where bricks it collided quite on comfortably with all the other things that are not about bricks and coping very much so we could have been very clear that he wants to argue that the treaty is you know we're down to breakfast and you know you'd have one if it wasn't for breakfast I honestly don't think that holds you know getting ready. For a fact as you know I mean you look at the feedback from. Labor M.P.'s who survived last night and those who lost the seat and there's been some an interesting polling about the number of columns Corben was mentioned as an issue on the doorstep and you look at the scale of the collapse in those labor Hartman's in the Midlands and the north it wasn't people bricks it by a long true. And it's actually jaw dropping looking at the disconnect between what it presents as the most radical left version of all the Labor Party that we have had for decades that purports to represent the working man and woman and yet the working man and woman weren't voting for them on Thursday and that for Labor is a real challenge. But beyond that I think breaks it wards the fundamental issue. And the simple slogans of the conservatives get bricks it done it can't be true and it can't through very very effectively played into that into the hands with out that message I do not think they would have been as we mostly successful in knocking down the labor want the only thing the Tories had going for them that to be honest I mean I think you know get breaks it down. Was obviously wheels of moxie at the time because because your stance doesn't say anything else you know all this. And it turns out you know right now that there's no I mean if you look I think the Tories were also doing well looking at the numbers they must of hacks and Tory remain a staying with them for fear of Corbin and I think we all you know obviously did our dramatic change is in those donors no one post industrial towns you know that it's a shock to say turned Tory but you know Labor lost badly across Scotland. Remain lost in some southern marginals you know places like Stroud which is incredibly remaining you know very green and very gaunt and raging and you know so you to say that that is just about cracks it doesn't explain why labor was losing in remains as well the latest was down. And it remains the source it was worse than. That and remain seats and I think the Tories did make use the only other thing partials never said to call them get it done was don't let Jeremy cope in places I was wary of the Tories they were indeed I did think it was interesting that if you drill down into some of the results in labor hold the. Where the bricks party stood if you put the brakes it Party vote together with the conservatives if Nigel for pulled out not fielding his candidate in the seat it is conceivable that Labor would have lost even more seats because it was the top to see if you combine the conservative vote with the BRICs party that would comfortably have beaten labor. Nigel Ferrari did in a seat or split the brakes and let labor through which of course was. The Tory message in the seats a scary thing for labor I think it's not necessarily. This is not necessarily its flaw you know there are now a bunch of seats that used to be safe and didn't go this time but now have quite small margins of 90 we can imagine muzzle cataclysmic forms it would have to cut into his eyes as well but you know it's not necessarily as low as it can go. And actually if you pick I mean for example one seat Ashfield in North not in I'm sure I don't remember when I used to many many moons ago I was the lobby correspondent and not an Evening Post Ashfield m.p. At the time Frank Haynes x. Miner he could weigh his way the label whereas I was the last I went to I feel this time and it was transferred over to the Labor candidate she would clearly play and she was a great actor I thought it was really interesting likely candidate who was really you know. Guts out for that seat and it's behind the Tories and an independent you know I know I'm coming 3rd in Ashfield it just shows the mountain that Labor has to climb now. And you know looking forward it could take you know more than one parliament for labor to pick itself back up off the ground here you know this is a really bad defeat for them if you want to be optimistic and you know I'm sort of . Well whether it's people looking for standing up for him it's only when you're sitting up there isn't as. Dire and disasters and awful and normally you wouldn't bounce back from this kind of thing so you know like practically there is no argument that says if the main problem and we know slim opinion polling out today that I promise Cohen what he's going to next problem with Bret said Well Ok you know at some point Rex is going to be dumb. We all know that we will eventually enter a post Brix it is happening so whether or not you support it is no longer quite such an issue so there is an argument assess politics is so volatile now things can turn really fast maybe you know you can people can come out of declines quicker than they used to be able to the past I am saying that is a very optimistic scenario I'm not necessarily going to help but the let me say there is a look at what the science Yes I mean the other interesting thing it I mean obviously some of the noise Johnson's day. He made the same gamble that reason may did and he won whereas she spectacularly law. You know he has every reason to be. In credibly pleased with the conservative performance but that was actually the easy bit now it's going to get really tough yes he has a hefty majority in the House of Commons but the challenges ahead. On him then negotiating that long term deal with the European Union he set himself an arbitrary deadline of the end of the end of the 2020 a deal not scale has never been negotiated with such speed with before he says he can get it done we will have to see but there is still a real danger that we might crash out without a deal. And then the backlash from the impact on the economy could be whale any over he's one nation aspirations. To deal with the public services it was interesting he was stressing that the Conservative Party had to meet the concerns of those in Labor voters. Who put their cross in the poor ebox front to do. So to them on public services but if you get a very honed bricks it or No Deal bricks it he wouldn't have the economic leeway to provide the money for that and that's even before you still all skiing the question of right Mr Jones and what is your great plan to deal with the crises up to his adult social care which the men and part government of the government has dumped this issue it wasn't in the manifesto but he can't keep Goldring a lot of pressure so he committed to finding a cross party solution we're miles you know is a cop out option but I think it's particularly there's a problem with the time with his you know I would think goodwill between the parties is in preschool. The moment is not what is left of the Liberal Democrats now either they have a leader at the moment because she lost her seat if Jeremy Corbin stays around as he's suggesting that he might tell next spring or whatever then the Labor Party's not going to have an acting major for a long time either so even if one wanted to get together a club with a hasty solution special there's not going to be a leadership that will agree to no such thing yes but the problem is the crisis is getting worse and worse and worse and people are really suffering and you take the building all along wave the brakes in negotiations not disappearing as some people think in a puff of smoke and we've got it done and now we can forget about it it's going to drag on and on and on and we get a whole Brix it and the public services all struggling and getting. Boris Johnson will have some questions too. From those labelled voters that have given him a. Really about public service I'm more optimistic than you about it because I think a bigger majority does create the conditions where that the most likely scenario in which Boris would be pushed to a no deal Brix it which I think we now know he doesn't want because he put it at the last minute last comment the conditions in which he was not to be pushed that are a small minority with they are paying a sales and saying you have to you have to you know if you have. A majority of you are not quite as in hock to the had an attendant say so you know you have the flexibility I think and confidence that point if you leave at the end of January and you get to the end of the year in a trade deal is not done which as I said. You know I think he has the flexibility then say Look out you know we've climbed to my We're never going back it's just going to take a bit longer to deal with it you know I think there's a certain amount flexibility for that I think that people are as you say public service is about the bourses never been very clear about what it was he stood for except what we need is a grand vision and I understand that there's a problem with those new seats I mean you can win those seats but if you want to win them again at some point. You need in the meantime to represent them and there are very different people look bunch of constituents perhaps in the next have to pass' used to representing conservative party is no longer now a sort of comfortable southern middle class party or it's no longer really that it's representing people with a whole different set of concerns and it's got to think about whole range of policy areas not been its expertise before you know it's got to think about solutions post-industrial areas where you know Cohen's deal is going in there and he's going to replace them since I've been a big problem when you're used to representing knowledge massive sorry you know it's going to think about half a rather than higher education it's. Got to think this is rather than can be to he's got to think that's all you need is got to think about representing a bunch of people who have different concerns to sort of crack story base at the same time is not. The kind of Tory base that is still gotta hold together and holding together that coalition seats I think is going to quite haunt I think Barsel says a lot about hold on a Saturday don't have to hold on just one second I just wonder if p. Before we can talk about the practicalities of the government and what the government will have to face can we just put a footnote owned in the conversation of the post mortem which no doubt will carry on long after this conversation this evening I wonder whether any is tied to what the practicalities of what the government will be able to do going forward I wonder if you would conclude existentially that this election destroys our democracy is concerned was a election which reflects the will of the people or whether it's actually about the will of the political strategists the will of the media. If you know what I mean by that I wonder if we can sort of extrapolate from the result last night one way or another Kate 1st I will be reminded to say it is the will 'd of the people I think. Who a great deal of this until. A lot of people were very very they'd all been awful awful activity in the Westminster bubble. You know social media campaigns by the political structure I think this just reflect got a plea we heard an awful get bricks it gone. We go traffic or when it's a bull's eye on the people that we didn't like in the 1st place. You know you can argue that under the proposed the post system you know if you 2 percent voted for. Ortiz's is 48 percent going to leave early ported But this is the system we have. And I you know I think it just does represent the country really accurately. I think yeah I think if it had been close I think there would have been a real danger that people would have contested the result would have felt it really hard to contest it except the result you know that a lot of well hang on portions not Tuesday throughout the campaign you know how do we know that people really knew what they were voting on they would get a lot of. Focus on this of dirty tricks during the campaign and so what if it had been really tight but when is this overwhelming I don't you can look to and say I want to turn to this really represents what people saw I think I think I think you're getting yourself to say it doesn't and you know within that of course it will always be said that you know the media is harder on left wing latest than it is on right wing leaders because the media bribing press is more dominant but I think you know that is the whether you've learned to navigate that or you don't label it as

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