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BBC Wiltshire BBC Wiltshire December 22, 2019 040000

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And this is over or not over 5 on Dawson added by and have not been this the program in a moment move go to Chile together weeks news from there the ongoing street protests have taken something of a much more violent than physically in parts of Santiago's when the government started to hit back now it seems to feel that it has the upper hand also will bring you the latest on the trade in fires in the south east of the country last night talking about how people on some of the northern suburbs of Sydney is important to the city as Sydney is just showing that we're being told to consider evacuating certainly and also it is the longest night in the shortest day were the winter solstice and I've been finding out more about what it means and what we can look forward to now if you come in from from the Long is not in the Salter's day everything is positive it's all gravy from now on till summer Sure sure but as I say it's a chilly 1st where the United Nations and several human rights groups have accused Chilean police of using disproportionate force during and protest the began she months ago comes it she lay in a policeman appears in court after being accused of running over a protester during an anti government demonstration on Friday the protests were triggered by a hike him public transport fares but of turn into a mass movement against inequality in the country one of the key locations of the protests has been the plaza Italia and I 4 nights Jayne Chambers has been telling me about the square significance Placer County Yeah it's a very very important square. In the center of Santiago and it's always been the focal point of protest but also celebration me as he bats where people traditionally go I guess a bit like your pal the square and I since this social unrest started on October the 18th that's where most people had gathered it well in Santiago as he though things going on across to me to protest and at one stage they even had a 1000000 protesters but it's been a scene of a lot of police brutality as well there's been a lot of tear gas there have been nice plastic bullets and these problems with all these injuries and these water cannons but on Friday particularly what happened and there's a lot of up rule about this at the moment is that it was a protest but it was actually. Because recently earlier on this week the government had been saying look you know not enough we're going to be easier a tolerance on protests we believe it's just a minority of people now and other people are being stopped from their daily life getting on with their daily life so they're superintend in Santee other the kind of government government didn't authorize this protest and a minority it must be said you know it was probably a few 100 people turned up and the police where there was a lot of tear gas I was a lot of tanks but what happened was that this protest seemed to be crushed between 2 tanks I saw it on the television and cry to night and it was really shocking and you just didn't know what had happened to him and then you know went viral and it turns out on Saturday they confirmed that he had actually had his palace crashed which is awful although quite frankly from the footage at one stage it looked even worse so now there is a kind of massive uproar you know human rights again saying please brutality this is actually terrible he should that the person involved the police person involved should be taken you know should be. But what's going on they would do in court today and then they're kind of rumors that they got off pretty lightly at the moment so that the latest But meanwhile a lot of people are saying that this is like they kind of just be in a bind and you know there are lots of people who have and businesses I went to talk to some of them there's an old lady who had a kiosk for the last 50 years and she has to take things home every day and she sees protesters throwing rocks at the police and her head from all the. Places been looted and people can't carry on with their businesses I spoke to one restaurant. This place could get a man which is a very good restaurant and it's always kind of made sandwiches traditional Chilean sandwiches and he told me what it's like I am at the moment. 20 percent of what we used to sell 38 people would work here many businesses are having to close or get rid of staff we don't know how long we can carry on the situation is like the Titanic we are sinking. No one has come to save us. From. The business in located in France it would be conserved if these protests have been going on for many weeks. Gosh for more than 2 months now and you know it's really tough because they say they're just being. Completely broken that protesters have ripped up the pavements to make barricades the lights don't work so this is a really tall wristy area and businesses right right down there with those 2 big events Coke 20 that climate change the big conference and APEC and you know I spoke to had hotels he said that it was just right and they were fully booked and then they got canceled and obviously no one's coming anymore and they say we need people to come because otherwise we're just going to go. And so it's very problematic so this is the whole thing with I said Callia and it's really splitting the country because some protest people are saying we need to protest we need to carry on this has to go on and others are saying no to West Side Up. You know even the I'm delighted to Metro system we can't get around you've looted our shop. Safe and we just want to go about our daily life so that's a big kind of split I would say in Chile at the moment between how people are viewing this but obviously obviously incidents like the one with their 20 year old Oscar being crushed and not acceptable of course or not a few weeks ago could have described the protests as a popular uprising all most. Of this be. A communal national demonstration. I think said I really do I mean when you think back to know when I was here or in my to even be instead October when they had a 1000000 people in plastic and there was a real sense of we've all come together and this is actually largely peaceful and we're pushing for change but people I talked to just kind of fed up yes they want change yes there's going to be this. Where they should change the Constitution and yes people think that's massive inequality but a lot of people do you just want to get on with and they do you think that these protests are stopping them doing that I think there is less support for them now I mean you've got a kind of hard core group called the front line and they are generally students and teenagers he actually. Said and they feel that they're kind of keeping their resistance going and and some people who see them as heroes for the cause but others who need them as delinquency were just kind of you know taking advantage of the situation so yeah I think opinion is very much divided but one has to remember historically when going to change. Was around it was very much divided than it's well I mean it is you know it's a bit kind of like it pretty much 5050 and I don't think that something. Trade to the rest of the way I think people actually don't realize it's a lot of people are in t. These protests so I think that it's important that people need to hear that it's wow that's one of the obvious difference with the rule of General Pinochet is that he wouldn't have cared less if 2 tanks crushed a man because he was a 3rd seringe or dictator a great dictator whereas with a democratic government surely a lot of these kind of scenes were talked about and the 2 month long struggle if you like as harm the government or is it harming the opposition. Absolutely that's a very very good point I mean you know President Bush yes he is a right wing president and opinion polls are right right down 10 percent at the moment but he will say look this is a democracy we need change I accept that interesting Lee I went to a meeting the other day which is there it's a bit like going to number 10 and we spoke to their government spokesperson It was a kind of enough we couldn't record anything but she made some very interesting points how he took a hit on his popularity and he knew that was coming because he thought you know what I don't want to be seen as that person he came out all guns blazing when that was deeply unpopular I think initially they thought it was kind of the far left wing groups doing this but they quickly realized that there was discontent among people who voted for them as well and they quickly need that they needed to change things and they've always listened and not to what the human rights groups are saying and really do want to follow the international protocol and are finding the situation quite tricky with the police and getting that under control so you know he knew that a lot of his supporters who are very very right wing would be angry with his bid to kind of reach out to other parties and listen to human rights groups and really come out and know that people can protest so he is having a difficult time I mean a lot of people say that he lacks leadership and that's a big criticism but you know right now he's absolutely not general going to jail and people are very keen to hold on to this democracy that they say is very fragile I mean you know it's what it's told this president democracy and they want to get it right but it's very very difficult because you've got all these different political parties squabbling and wanting different things so it's a hard one at the moment. People who. Last 2 months. There is no will. It's really tough there isn't much of one now not really it's not like Britain so it's hard you know a business owner complaining to me there yeah banks are saying Ok you're having a tough time you don't have to pay your mortgage or your rate at the moment will put it on hold that they are expected to pay down the line and they're also a complete painting their local. Councils are still charging them for rates even when I shop to be so that's a real sense that they've been abandoned and it's very precarious and they're very worried about what's going to happen to them will be. Any part of the protest. That's a good point. And I meant I'm sitting here and it's faltering it's a degree. It's a feeling everyone kind of you know school's out. You know the students are out and no one really gets back to work properly until March so a diary is impeding that things might slow down and this time and kick off again in March when everyone kind of back to school and back to uni and back to work that's also. The forest and drought and farmers and you know Cherry people he great cherries and dairy and Peaches they're all suffering because it's so hot at the moment so that's another big issue as well what's going on with the climate here in Germany. In Santiago the Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has conceded that climate change is a reason behind the intense wildfires burning across the country but he stressed that global warming could be connected to any single blaze the staunch defender of fossil fuels Mr Morrison has been accused of not doing enough to tackle climate change. In Sydney following his return from a much criticised family holiday in Hawaii. He joins us now from Sydney for the current situation with regards to the fires. Well it's far less dangerous than it was 24 hours ago but certainly here in New South Wales more than $100.00 pushing grass fires continued to of those $59.00 still to be contained there were fears in the last few hours that too large fires burning to the west of Sydney would merge that has happened so although temperatures have dropped by almost 20 degrees in the last 24 hours in conditions far more favorable the oath or it is the working very hard to do some defensive work by that they mean they cause of containment lines with heavy diggers they also do something called back burning This is where they predict where a major fire will go and they set fire deliberately ahead of that main fire front and use the wind to burn that controlled fire into the main fire front so these are defensive maneuvers that the fire authorities use because the next few days don't look too bad from a weather perspective but no rain is forecast here in eastern Australia or no significant rain is forecast here for quite a few weeks and fire authorities do say don't and the only way that some of these bigger fires will be extinguished is from the heavens as opposed to the end of a hose pipe but there's definitely been a turning point of the last 24 hours in the void because of our. Well it's a turning point I'm not sure if it is the turning point I think what we're seeing since this crisis began anew and I've talked to a lot over the last the last few weeks since September that's when the crisis began you see a ferocious upsurge in the flames then they die down for a bit then the weather changes it gets very hot it gets very windy there's still no rain and the fires rear up again so I think that is going to be the pattern of the next few weeks or even the next few months some of these fires Dalton could burn for weeks and weeks and weeks and it's not only on an issue here in New South Wales to the north in Queensland they've had very serious fires there in the southern states of Victoria and South Australia very serious conditions down there as well in recent days and in Western Australia they've had many fires over there as well so this is a nationwide crisis and late last night the Prime Minister Scott Morrison flew back from his holiday in the United States the fires were raging when he was away and certainly the political debate over his absence was also raging Yeah it's almost unimaginable It is a national disaster that we're talking about it's almost unimaginable even from this long distance that was read look at this from the prime minister didn't cut. Much sooner to do with this how much of a political blows is this going to beat. I think it is a p.r. Disaster for the prime minister he has given in to this relentless pressure off to going on holiday with his young family during the Bush 5 crisis he's apologized and said he understood the anxiety that his absence Kohls to also criticize long before he went to Hawaii about his attitudes to climate change his government is an ardent supporter of the coal industry in the election in May that Mr Morrison center right government unexpectedly one that would speak cause in large part support from mining communities now we were listening to him at a press conference today he was saying that he understood that global warming was a factor in the bushfires and he said that climate change could not be directly attributed to individual fires and I think that's what most scientists would say but the scientific opinion here is that Australia's climate is drying it is warming therefore it is creating conditions extremely fertile for bushfires Mr Morrison was saying he was taking it seriously he also defended his government's environmental and emissions policies I think he's trying to find a middle way in all of this I think he's acknowledging the impact of global warming on Australia's bushfire crisis but he's not making too many promises that will upset voters in those coal mining communities so I think today we've seen his comments as very much a politically expedient response yes he was sorry for going away now he's back he's fronting up and he will address the issues but of course the next few weeks and months Australians will be wondering exactly what he will be doing in order to take climate change even more c I was thinking what will be doing in terms of tackling these me do. Whether he's convene a special cabinet committee or otherwise. A teen to go there to deal with this particular issue. Fighting fires is very much a jurisdictional issue here in Australia they fight fires differently in South Australia than they do in Western Australia or here in New South Wales what we have in New South Wales state of emergency was declared a couple of days ago it lasts for a week it gives fire authorities here sweeping powers to switch off the electricity grid to order evacuations to close roads all of their own volition in order to fight this crisis so it's very much a federal approach to the firefighting efforts that have been coals from fire and emergency chiefs for all our national bushfire emergency summit to look at the ways that Australia could fight fires in the future if as expected they start earlier than normal they burn more intense intensely the normals So those fire chiefs looking at a new way that Australia could address a worsening bushfire threat not just in this year but in years to come whether Scott Morrison agrees to that summit whether he goes if there is one we'll have to wait and see but in the immediate aftermath of those catastrophic conditions yesterday it does seem that certainly here in New South Wales that military style fire fighting efforts the emergency line is pretty thin but it is it is doing its job thank you Phil most of that in Sydney today is the shortest day of the year the winds so this happened literally 5 minutes ago for 90 near in the u.k. And hundreds of people have gathered in Stonehenge to celebrate Jeff Bruce helps organize the Stonehenge so still festival then there came 25 minutes too late Jeff I do apologize but to give you time to at least to celebrate the souls in the way that you want to do the intruding where you at the moment rather than. Just pop up onto the campsite right and what's happening there exactly. So he. May think he sees some association with his gun laws for the past 12 years all this year we've got our 1st substance 1st focus on the part the winter solstice What do you do what do people do that is a music festival or something of the suit. Me 1st of all. He all he of course town hall people come through. Come together as one to sort of hurry. Please so source why why and why is it happening at Stonehenge. Is because of the place ho ho great cover. To sort of vote for those who are of make it to Christian. Groups do you have to be pagans or tend you know you know anybody we were a family 1st open soul search term autistic you Anybody is welcome to come enjoy he and have a small circle of the celebrations the timing's really important I mention food 19 sigs ever made this ago was the moment of souces. Then. 90 Yes couldst. Comes together. Sort of the sunlight Why do you think. In the kind of a modern Cone says his it does seem as if it's a somewhat ancient ritual would you think it matters to people who in a modern context. Because it is is because it's. All it's all sort of. 11 fold like a hustle all. About nature he had both of us all as old. As. The whole must be cool. Calls us. Has. Like 3000 people. Slowly. Because of some of. Those. photos 'd much you know that it's a building boom being stone and you know imagine. What we do on the size. Of a part of the world it was always a size a. 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