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BBC World Service BBC World Service September 19, 2017 110600

They also left with me the smuggler took the 3 of us and we started walking from 7 in the evening until 4 in the morning. Just before we got to the area controlled by the Peshmerga just half an hour will call and there was a big explosion something happened to my eyes everything went dark and I couldn't see anything at all My face was hurting I called out to the 2 girls and I heard the voice of the older girl but I couldn't hear the little one. I didn't know what had happened but I was later told that the older girl had stepped on a landmine which exploded she was carrying her sister at the time and they both died. The Peshmerga came after half an hour they put me in an ambulance and took me to at a bill hospital in Kurdistan. My uncle came to see me in hospital and I did build I couldn't see him because my eyes were damaged but I heard his voice and he hugged me I touched him I felt that he is there I finally felt safe the fear a virus no longer existed in my heart. It was a really happy moment for me my uncle stayed with me the whole time I was in the hospital. Lammy is in Germany now living with some of her siblings as I mentioned she set up a scholarship along with the Aurora humanitarian initiative for young new cd's to be able to pick up their education and the 1st person to benefit is 18 year old I don't care he's now at the United World College you w.c. In Armenia studying for his international baccalaureate he's been telling me through an interpreter about his life in sin jar before it came under attack and in particular about his beloved grandma and how important she was to him I wouldn't. Learn I used to spend a lot of time with my grandmother she was very close to me and we used to sit together at night she used to come to our house and tell us all the stories that we loved hearing from her and she began patients feel. She's an old lady and she had problems in her knees and whenever we spoke she said I want you to grow up and become a doctor so that you could make me feel better she loved me so much as much as I loved her I mean did you want to be a doctor. Got home. Yes of course it was already my dream to become a doctor but even when she told me that she'd like me to see a doctor I was even more determined to become one What is it about being a doctor that appeals to the. Customer in Iraq it's very important if someone is a doctor it's basically you're helping your nation you're treating people you're making them feel better being a doctor is basically like being a soldier you are defending your country you're helping the people you're helping the nation I believe you were in your early teens when so-called Islamic State came to the area where you were living in sin jar How did you escape from them as. We left at around 7. In the morning and by that time I as was everywhere all I took for my actual house was the clothes I had on me nothing else I was with my mother and father and one of my siblings we are 11 in total we're a big family and when I as came we all gathered and immediately we left to the mountain shot and we were told that this is the safest place where I couldn't reach us what was your frame of mind at the time I mean. Everyone was so scared everyone was terrified of what was happening I remember seeing people running around picking their stuff going here and there just trying to escape and I couldn't really understand the whole situation it wasn't a very comfortable feeling and I was very scared what if your grandparents I mean it where were they who was looking out for them at a time I mean I think we wanted to continue to mountain jar but they clearly couldn't do it because they're all and almost all the elderly people couldn't continue for there some of the men I remember wanted to stay and protect him one of my uncles decided to stay with them and he did how going was it even climbing up now Singerman How difficult is that how do you look and. Then it was a very very difficult time for us we've never done something like that before maybe you heard about mountain job but it's really big and it's not really easy to cross it at all but imagine yourself when you're fleeing from death from destruction from slaughtering we had this motive which pushed us to continue we had to stay in monsoon job for some time and this is when we had to be separated as a family my mum is ill one of her heart valves is actually blocked so she couldn't continue at that time she had to stay with my father and mother one of my siblings we wanted to stay with them but they told us we need to continue moving otherwise we all die so we continue till the other side of the mountain and on the 4th day eventually my mum and my dad and my other brother Jane we were so happy when we saw them. But the things that I saw during that experience changed my whole life we saw people dying of thirst they were sore thirsty they couldn't continue I remember seeing a mother had to leave her child behind because simply she couldn't take him with her it was really terrible it's not something I've seen before what are you even surviving on there we took a bit of bread so that we can eat something on the way but we couldn't take anything else we had a lot of children and we had to also give them the water and the bread we had many times I didn't bring the water or didn't eat bread because I had to give it to the child around me because I knew that there Mulder in the bill and I had to give them otherwise they won't be able to continue moving and you have to walk down this mountain and in that state presumably you couldn't go home where did you find refuge. At the long I mean we have the possibility of being killed by us at any time we really didn't know what was going to happen are we going to be slaughtered are we going to be killed are we going to be detained we had no idea so we stayed in the mountain for a week and at that time we heard news that some Kurdish forces were able to liberate some of the land to allow the people who are trapped in the mountain to leave and I remember we had an argument among my family shall we leave or not shall we leave or not and my mother was ill she basically couldn't do this journey so my uncle at that time decided that he would go 1st and he went and after one day he called us and he said I'm at the moment in Syria and everything is safe and you have to follow me if you say you are going to die this is the only way for you to be safe we left to the borders then we went to do it back in Iraq and then we went to an area called Zoho very close to who and when you got there how did you get news of what had happened to your grandparents and to uncle who stayed with them cannot be deafened. Me We know some people. Who live in Kurdistan in Iraq they know us we used to do some business together the people who stayed with my grandmother and grandfather were able to escape and they went back to those people and they told them I as have taken my grandfather until now we don't know what happened to him and they also said that they killed my uncle who stayed with my grandmother and grandfather and also they killed my grandmother at that time so basically those people who we knew included to stand where the people who delivered the news to us what impact did that news haven't you after. The news have affected me a lot so I felt that I was going into darkness to be very honest with you I lost hope in everything in life I mean imagine having my grandfather being taken by us seeing my mom being really tired and feeling for her life and having my uncle killed and my grandma that everything was really bad for me I didn't go to school for a whole year and I had you given up on your your hopes of being a doctor at some point. But I lost passion in many things and I actually did lose a bit of passion in becoming a doctor but then after a year I started gathering myself and basically pushing myself to continue reading I started reading about poetry about literature so that I'm back on track and back to revive myself and what I want to do I don't find out from my cousin about Allow me a haji bash a scholarship to study in Armenia for 2 years he badly wanted the opportunity a plight and one bad mess the army can experience I mean. I was very very happy to hear the news about the scholarship you could see it was like some light in a room of darkness maybe it was the happiest moments in my life and to think now that you might be able to fulfill your ambition and your grandmother's ambition for you that you become a doctor. And it had me yes no I definitely want to fulfill my dream and her dream of me becoming a doctor and because of that I feel much comfortable at the moment my hope never died it's still there it's still inside me and now where I am at the moment it's even pushing me more and more to fulfill this dream and it's so good to see that I can be treated like a human someone who could achieve something in my life and when you think of your grandmother these days and the dreams that she instilled in you know what memory comes to mind. I remember her a lot specially before I go to bed every time I remember her really vividly when I'm alone I just have to use in my eyes every time I remember her because I miss her so much but I don't tell this to people I don't want someone to see me crying I don't want people to see me suffering is there a happy memory to personally know. That's very sad Well tell me I mean I mean are you doing what you're doing in part for her or for her sake. Specially for. I don't care are speaking to me from delusion in mania this is Outlook Still to come inside the Surveillant Center in Moscow in 1983 when nuclear war was averted by the actions of one man a minute later in the other side and another flashing red lights fired me so I was on the 4th one and then the 5th the computer changed the notification text instead of a missile start it knows that missile attack will be hearing more later from Stanislav Petro of whose death has just been reported. In the 1960 s. One of our greatest feats of exploration was achieved when humans walked on the moon but of all the men who've done it since then they have all been men most were pilots not scientists and they had to study geology before going it went to Iceland to study which might have been forgotten had not been for one dedicated Icelandic man Outlook's Saskia Edwards went to the north of the country to meet him. Or nigger. Is obsessed with scales in his box in fact the 1st thing he does when we meet is to show me a box filled with space related memorabilia that he's collected I plan to coin through 10 times or on the moon in 1061 reading this what did you think about the space as a child when I was fascinated with it like many kids I was always thinking I mean where does it end and if it ends what comes next and these things you can you can go on and on but thinking about space when you're a kid you have all this imagination I think this is what got this whole thing started because I think I was like 9 or 10 when my mother gave this book to me I was always looking at these pictures in these books that my mother would give me pictures of a spacecraft. And realizing how different paces even in our solar system can be from our own planet here but then like many children this interest faded folder that was until he made a discovery in the year 2009. I was waiting for a friend to in the center of our career which is the next town to whose civic it was a little bit late so I went into this bookstore and I picked up this book in a bookstore that I could have picked up any book but it tells this book and I open it and when I open it is the story of Austen not from America coming to Iceland to train for the moon. Going to the. Other things not because they are but because they are and I was so surprised to read this I was fascinated by space as a kid but I had didn't have a clue that they've been training here basically in my backyard and this was so strange so I had thought why didn't I know about this before. I read this and I thought this is something that needs to be looked into in more detail and I sort of figured that if someone was going to tell a story that would have to be. A lot of people would think Ok they they find out something interesting about their town or this city something that's been overlooked but then they would go that's interesting and move on what makes you think I've I've got to do this I've got to pursue this story I don't know I mean. If you look at it this way to this is probably the greatest adventures mankind has ever embarked on and knowing that our small country here in Iceland was used to train them for the moon I mean this was just a fascinating up to dig into it I was I was thrilled to read this and so what did you do after that so I went into the archive to see if I could find some of the old news and see how this was covered back in the sixty's. For the 2nd time a group of American astronauts spent time here in Iceland training for upcoming lunar expeditions one of the leaders of the group said to reporters that the reason that I was Iceland was because here they could get more different types of the ology in small areas than they would get to another place in the world and also that Iceland in itself sort of looked like the north. So in 1067 they did a big training trip here to Iceland with most of the astronauts and actually flew to the moon but as it turns out this was actually a very important part of them becoming interested in theology they did field trips or they did observations they had to record and write down what they were looking at describe it to the scientists and they were sort of practicing to do the same things as they would want to do on the moon they were collecting samples learning how to pick the best rocks to bring back. And you're using a piece of paper to make a sort of cop Yeah cop but I'm going to have you actually hold this cup and make a small collection of rocks from here thank you so you're actually trying on what they asked not state so let me hold your recording device Yeah I like these brown looking one in the dark one then you would. Those who did well in these trainings they would stand a better chance of actually going to the mall how do you think I do have got a red rock a black rock denigrate well from the area that we tried you have done a great something off do you think I could be an astronaut you sort of play but only interest in this story has gone far beyond sifting through the archives from the articles I found names of people who were present Icelandic that journalist asked on the people who are catering to them so I started reaching out to the people who were involved in these trips so I got a lot of enthusiastic people telling me stories about all I had this great conversation with Neil Armstrong or when they went fishing with Bill and they're sure other things like that was it kind of addictive when you started to find this information in the archives and find the journalists did you get a bit obsessed or yes you can say so I mean I would stay up like all through the night many times just digging and digging and digging into some archives or online sources that I would find I went to we went to e.p.a. To see if I could find some things that relating to a poll so I would stay awake all through the night buying things that were connected to the astronauts did you spend a lot I spent way more than I see it that made me think that I needed to take this to a whole different level I hadn't decided how I was going to present what I would find but it felt fitting that we would make a museum about the moon and about the training of the estimates. So we have just stepped inside the exploration the I'm inside the museum is a plethora of space related objects gathered from all the Goes research and spending spree we're looking at a blue zip up jumper allin jumper and this is what Neil Armstrong wore to the North Pole Yes exactly and of course his spacesuit from the moon sits in this only a museum but I believe we have maybe from his 2nd greatest expedition what he wore but once again the story doesn't stop here well they got called up a number of astronauts who had trained in ice. And and asked them Hey do you want to come back and see the country again and they said yes. We flew in. On the crew of Apollo 82 years later we did this big trip so we had the water coming. Through on the pole $9.00 and $7.00 we had Harrison Schmitt who was the only scientist to go to the moon of course we had the whole family of 4 with us on that occasion as well in 2017 we had. 16 The 2nd to last mission to land on the moon we've been received by. A lot of the space shuttle astronauts as well. So on one of these trips we did and also into the brand new lava field off. So we took Harrison Schmitt as a geologist we wanted to take him into this lower field and it was still very warm he could put his hand down and feel that underneath his feet so when he came down from the lab I remember he sat I have walked on the moon and I made it. So give me an idea of what they came to see takes me out to one of the sites the astronauts visited the currently surrounded by huge a red mountains the sand and is almost glowing it's this deep red color and then in the middle there are these pits mud pits which you can smell it's the smell of sulfur which is almost caustic and there's steam emerging from the pits all a girl what are we looking at all we're actually looking at. A few years ago to test some of the equipment from the Curiosity rover to Mars and it looks like you're on Mars I mean it's the same red dirt in the same spot view that you would imagine on the red planet Yeah a lot of it looks like Mars. So right now there's a very loud sound of steam steam coming up from deep within the ground. And this fall. I mean I live in a place that has a lot of similarities sort of space yet I've been fascinated by. Other Planets I don't know maybe it would have been enough for me just to be fascinated by my own country. But know you what's on the side probably not sound and this story is still ongoing or digger is now aiming to build a replica Apollo than a module the vehicle which took astronauts from lunar orbit to the surface of the moon and back and it looks like a toaster with lacks most people find it not so beautiful but knowing its history annoying but this is to be acquisitive I think it's even the most beautiful. Ever made its. Life feel privileged to be living in this time so close to this time in human history of when we went to the moon even though there were only 12 people who were actually walked on the one I think the whole species has already done it when one person has done that to think that there have been more than 100000000000 people walking the earth but only 12 ever walking somewhere else I think the credible to get to meet just one of them enough of my to lock them up it's been an ongoing adventure it's been one adventure after another having fired the imagination of a generation the ship like no other its place in history secured the space shuttle pulls into port for the last time. Space obsessive and museum director in a full holy books and speaking to outlooks Saskia Redwood City archive clips we came off NASA to see that incredible Icelandic landscape that looks like Mars how look at our Facebook page we've put up a video of it. You're listening to the b.b.c. 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