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World Service in this documentary will be discussing what President Trump's tweets tell us about the 1st year of his presidency he celebrated the growth of the economy and turned Twitter on his opponents in politics and the media and he's had things to say that could prove dangerous to his own presidency depending on the outcome of investigations into Russian involvement in the 2016 election we've assembled 2 separate panels one conservative and the other liberal to discuss the same tweets from different perspectives on the right I spoke in the b.b.c. Studio here in Washington d.c. With Debra Saunders White House correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal and commentator Liam Donovan a politics writer and former Republican staffer who's currently a principal at the law for embrace well and via Skype from Pennsylvania with Adam Gingrich of the make America great coalition on the left I was joined in the b.b.c. Studio by Elaine k. Mark a senior fellow in the governance studies program at Brookings Institution and Rob selections are managing editor of Opinion for u.s. News and World Report and via Skype from North Carolina by David Graham a staff writer for The Atlantic magazine and let's start with our 1st tweet from the end of December and see what the conservative panel made of it. Stocks in the economy have a long way to go before the tax cut bill is totally understood and appreciated in scope and size immediate expensing will have a big impact biggest tax cuts and reform ever passed enjoy and create many beautiful jobs our typical Donald Trump hyperbole here I don't think you could define as the biggest tax cut but it was a very big tax cut and a substantive legislative achievement Liam you were watching this very closely is your area of expertise how big a deal is this and is Trump right to be celebrated with a sweet I think it was a well earned victory lap I think this was something that was a long time coming and I think you know we had a long stretch of futility with the failures on health care there was some some pent up energy and excitement and so yeah a little truthful hyperbole there but it certainly a big tax cut I think the biggest rate cut for the corporate side in history Adam is this a promise kept from for Donald Trump but tax cuts that was a big part of his promises on the campaign trail. Yeah and he's right to be a little self-congratulatory because you personally it will not give him quite the credit that he deserves on this stuff so but again I think he's just showing us all the narrative here is that we have yet to see exactly how big the impact is going to be and I think as a president he might be as a sitting president the post knowledgeable about the business impacts of the tax cut this size so I thought that he was it was a he was integral to the process we know but I thought that he was you know it's more of a systematic pushback against the media not giving him the credit he deserves and so he decided you know continue to give himself the credit through the world and so far he's had a pretty biting a pretty big impact and ever we've seen Donald Trump repeatedly talk about the economy because the economy is doing well by by most metrics Dow Jones up to record highs unemployment low is the tax bill going to allow him to take more credit for that going forward absolutely this is as you know Anthony Donald Trump loves Puccini and he loves turned Oh that the venture oh moment where you declare victory and I think that I look at this tweet as being Trump's way of saying I did it and let's the one thing is that's been a constant throughout his presidency is a strong stock market low unemployment numbers and people have a bullish feeling about the economy he is going to have that he's going to be Puccini about himself every chance he gets it's a salesman and and he's selling the good economy. So let's see how the other panel thought of that tweet. Beautiful jobs a booming economy this is what Donald Trump wants people to talk about isn't it Elaine Well it certainly is and I must say that of all the tweaks you've got laid out for us today this is the only one that even approaches reality it is not of course the biggest tax cut reform ever that was probably the 1986 tax bill but none the less so far that the big. Corporations they've gotten a cut are seeming to invest that in workers and in some growth so we'll see we've got it we've got that the next 2 years ago to see whether or not these tax cuts cause corporations to actually do things that create jobs or whether they just give it to their shareholders and therefore the rich get richer and the poor get poorer Rob I saw that Nancy Pelosi the House Democratic leader describe these as crumbs essentially what the the corporations are giving don't amount to much people are going to really notice it but are they going to be political benefits for this tax bill for Donald Trump Well that's an open question because he. Obviously touts a very highly the administration has said that they're going to really send him out on the road pushing this message and advertising the tax cut very heavily they've got a lot of work to do because this is the in the history of modern polling this is the least popular piece of major legislation ever passed even less popular than the infamous Obamacare Affordable Care Act So you know there it has been in American politics especially in the Republican Party a sort of conventional wisdom the tax cuts help tax cuts are popular. In this case Donald Trump if that's true Donald Trump's own popularity is trumping the whatever top popular popularity the tax cuts have David why do you think this tax bill was so unpopular and can Donald Trump with his use of these types of tweets and by getting out on the circuit to boost in it if he can help that boost the popularity of him one of the things that I think is most interesting about this bill is that most people although most people will get a tax cut they don't believe they will get a tax cut 80 percent of something like 80 percent of people get a tax cut about 2 thirds in a poll last month believe they would and so I think there's an interesting feedback loop there one people don't like it because they don't think they're going to get money I'm guessing they don't like it they don't think they can get money because they don't like it and you get a sort of. Negative reinforcement as people realize that they're going to get some money back maybe they will like that there's a poll out today from Survey Monkey that indicates that but I think time has to try to convince people that then there's something in it for them and there's not really a huge benefit to corporations on the wealthy and that'll be tough to do because there is. Now our next tweet happens to be the most retreated from his 1st year in office and of course to each Twitter storm he does have generated lots of headlines and in particular he likes to go after the media and this tweet it was where he rails against those opposing him as from July and with an animated form the words were fraud news that Donald Trump wrote and a tweet featured a little video of a wrestler with Donald Trump's head superimposed on it tackling a man with the c.n.n. Logo superimposed over his head in the midst of some sort of wrestling match. Now that was a pretty confrontational on the on the part of Donald Trump and obviously it took some time to put this together this wasn't just something that he dashed off Deborah you're in the media you're in the White House press room how is that received and and is this a fair shot of the media you know the briefing room is split between 2 kinds of journalists there are people who are very offended when he talks about fake news and and bring it up frequently ask questions about it they're really angry and then I think there are a lot of us who are just sort of they're going Ok the fake news is a stick in the certain to a certain extent after all Donald Trump is always talking about the family New York Times and who gets all the interviews right the New York Times he loves the New York Times Don't kid yourself people he really follows the media he watches c.n.n. He watches Fox He watches all of this stuff but he likes to I guess this is sort of you know his Wrestle Mania moment where he looks as though he's taking off against the media and we know one thing while people who don't like Trump did not like that tweet the base ate it up. For the perspective over a liberal panel what do they make of that tweet. You know I think with good reason a lot of people who took exception to this he has a long history of if not actually hitting the media since he craves media attention certainly making the media an enemy and that that. Was illustrated and has been illustrated in his in his rallies and campaign rallies where reporters of have talked about a sense of intimidation and it's. You know it feeds into the sort of image of authoritarianism that is frankly fairly widespread about the president given the fact that he seems on able to accept the legitimacy of the media and above and beyond that it's the kind of thing that in any other day and age in any normal day in age we would have said that this was retreating this sort of thing it was beneath the dignity of the president of the presidency I want to read another tweet this one from February 17th Robbie mention that treating the media as the enemy will hear Donald Trump writes The fake news media failing New York Times n.b.c. News a.b.c. C.b.s. C.n.n. Is not my enemy it is the enemy of the American people David that's pretty loaded language to use the an enemy of the state I met enemy of the American people. That it seems like that talk from the very get go in February took this media bashing to to a different level. Yeah I think things like that are much more dangerous than a c.n.n. Wrestling tweet which is a little bit cartoonish and I think when the press makes a big deal of this it's a little bit of a trap the president setting we look kind of self-absorbed we look defensive and has of course a look it's just joking around you know I don't make such a big deal out of it but when you're talking about enemy of the people I think that's a really dangerous kind of language and it really is in a different category. Elaine what do you think well I think that this is one more example of the reason people don't think President Trump has all his marbles and that is that this is so counterproductive in other words every time he does this to the media he gets the media's back and he makes sure that they see him with that look for the worst him it's crazy it's crazy behavior. You're listening to trump a year in tweets on the b.b.c. World Service with me and in his or her in the b.b.c. Washington d.c. Studio we've been discussing Donald Trump's tweaks over the last year with 2 separate panels one made up of conservatives and the other with liberals in order to contrast the different reactions that these tweets provide. So from a conservative perspective how did that tweet go down. Adam to trump go over the top here saying that the effectively enemies of the state the media. I think again you get to the hyperbole I mean if you look at it on a parabolic or you know Trump is always going to be on the farthest polemics side of anti media but you know the bias that the media has against him that mean we talk about 9 out of 10 stories are negative so he's rightly pushing back on the narrative and now what that forces are doing the other side of the parabolic or it was the media is going so far to the left to attack him that they are getting tripped up with their own false stories as we've seen time and time again and the most egregious example was of Brian Ross reporting total misreporting of the Michael Flynn arrangement with the with the f.b.i. And the dear Jack so I think he's he's systematically again pushing back on this and it's the same thing with the c.n.n. Tweet it is he's making fun of politics in general using theatrical histrionics easy kind of telling everybody not to take themselves so seriously and very hard in a room as I'm sure we can be told at one of there's an operating room as a lot of people taking themselves very seriously now Liam as a Republican former Republican staffer you perceive the media coverage of your issues in conservative issues and I suspect that you think it is probably not always fair is this something that is a in accurate characterization or is this counterproductive for someone trying to mask conservative ideals its own trumpets everything's over the top everything is is you know to 11 I think there's a couple interesting things going on here number one he knows when he goes to you know it's like his rallies he knows when he gets the biggest years and this is something that he can go back to the well every time and they're just going to cheer louder and louder and the more caustic he gets you know it's a little bit some of it's it's a little bit over the top but but they they love at the base is what he cares about he's monomaniacal he focused on that built the other thing is I think as Deborah mentioned he desperately craves the validation of each one of these groups that he mentioned So he's actually there's a very personal element to this that he'd think he's not getting is Do as I mentioned he takes to Twitter to try to. You know tout his accomplishments and then the other piece of this is I think there's an interesting sort of draw City effect where he tweets about the media because he's watching the media cover him and the media covers him tweeting about the media covering him and it just goes on and on the feedback it is completely and not one that's good for the discourse or anything . After the decision by a Washington federal judge to suspend Donald Trump's 1st attempt at an immigration ban blocking people coming from 7 majority Muslim states and he tweeted the opinion of this so-called judge which essentially takes the law enforcement away from our country is ridiculous and will be overturned so so-called judge of us questioning the legitimacy of the judiciary Rob And again this this falls into a pattern the lot of people who identified of Trump I don't know if you can say if ever say systematically about Donald Trump but Trump going sort of institution by institution undermining and questioning as you say the legitimacy of institutions that can challenge his authority whether it's the media the judiciary at times the Congress. And then of course there's like the classic Trump Twitter hyperbole of. This takes away law enforcement from our country I mean that's that's on its face preposterous. They've had. Donald Trump was elected in part to challenge the establishment to challenge the institutions to shake them up by I would imagine some of his supporters would embrace this as well he's getting there and in these not backing down from any of these fights whether it's the media whether it's a judiciary whether it's the intelligence community is this an example of that kind of put nation's snus that is supporters might like sure you know this was a ruling about the travel ban it was a signature policy of his many people in his base thought it was very important and so you can see why he was upset and why he wanted to fight for it my sense is often that trump despite his long history with court cases doesn't really understand all that well how government works and he seemed genuinely enraged that the judicial system could walk one of his actions and he seems genuinely baffled that Congress doesn't do what he wants so I suspect there's part of that going on here he really just can't believe that a judge could like that issue a ruling that stopped his executive order from going into effect right and the the the view that a lot of conservatives had of the Obama presidency was of a president with unfettered power could do what he wants perhaps Donald Trump came in with that perception of what the president was capable of and is surprised that that wasn't exactly the way it worked out don't you think. David I think I think that's totally right yeah he bought into all of the hype about Obama and he bought in and goes from Burger ism up there and sort of lawlessness and so when he discovers that in fact there are controls that comes as a surprise he gets most of his worldview and political approach from Fox News and other conservative media. So let's see how the other panel thought of that tweet. You've seen it with the Obama administration dancing perilously close to telling the Supreme Court how to dictate the terms of the Obamacare ruling that they have to do and how you see you know Trump working out from the other angle with the with the entire judicial review process and yes I think if you're looking at it as Deborah said a lot of these people in the newsroom take themselves very seriously and I don't like to be chided by the president nobody takes himself more seriously than judges and certainly from the inner circles of the people that I talk to an n.b.c. Then I think Leon can tell you this 2 staffers are very concerned by this they're not concerned with the media warfare so much but they're very concerned that this is doing potential damage to the judiciary So if I had one concern at all Anthony in this whole process it would be perhaps going to hard too fast too strong against the particularly the 4th and nice circuit courts there's been a really really acrimonious relationship between the president the judge right and Trump recently tweeted tweeted about what's called for I'm shopping where people seek out lower courts that might give them a friendly decision saying that people were doing that his enemies were doing that to undermine his travel ban but then again on the other side plenty of conservatives gone to courts to to undermine Obama's executive decisions and this isn't a new practice but it is relatively new to see such direct criticism of the judiciary from from the president Deborah what do you think you know I think the thing to remember about this tweet the dates February 4th and this is his 1st month in office. And that 1st month was completely chaotic it's week we started with an inauguration speech that was not opening its arms and he was not opening his arms and embracing everybody then he had the crowd size argument and it toward the end of the 1st week the travel

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