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BBCNEWS Dateline London January 21, 2017

Valley will know that an attempt, a serious attempt to bring jobs back, to rebuild American Industries is long overdue. Therefore, to sum that up long overdue. Therefore, to sum that up in long overdue. Therefore, to sum that upina long overdue. Therefore, to sum that up in a slogan put America First, there is another context in the 19305, there is another context in the 1930s, but to say in the 21st century i am going to put America First that strikes home, doesnt it . It has, of course some pretty ominous it has, of course some pretty oitiiiious overtones it has, of course some pretty ominous overtones for anybody who knows american history, including it in the 20th century. Isolationism and protectionism then. Theagetives rolled out here in the press and the la st rolled out here in the press and the last few days about trump, its hard to disagree on the basis of what we saw in the campaign with very much of it. But on the other hand, 63 Million People, maybe 66 Million People voted for hillary clinton, but 63 Million People themselves and many of them are far from being crass, vulgar bullies, they found something in trump that persuaded them that he would change the course of america to their benefit. I think its far too soon to conclude they we re wrong. Its far too soon to conclude they were wrong. Thomas, you have covered been based in washington and seen inaugurals, the first inaugural of Ronald Reagan was greeted in britain and europe with perhaps not the same amount of dismay but there were a lot of headlines saying he is just an actor which was not true because he had eight years as governor of california. This perception continued throughout his years. In europe you could never get a set of opinion to understand america is doing from our way of politics and reagan comes straight from the bone marrow of american identity and he was to be a great president. Nobody recognised that really until today. There is not a single street in germany that says reagan street or reagan plaza although he was the guy who said tear down this wall. I totally agree with the nature of his speech with polly. That leads to a positive conclusion, that he will unite, not americans so much because he didnt do much to do that in his speech, but unite europe. Nato will begin to understand that something needs to be done to do better than they have so far. It will also cause minds to pause in the brexit debate. I dont think eu and britain can afford to go down the route into trade wars. We are going to have to watch our Trade Relations with america. That might lead to a unifying amongst europeans and in relation to britain, so it will have a positive effect on the brexit debate, i am sure. President putin is hoping to talk to trump sometime soon, i take it the russian response has been in so far as we can read it positive . In the bbc interview the Press Secretary of putin yesterday said they would go and celebrate the russian christian holiday yesterday rather than watch the inaugural address. However, what we know is the potentially Summit With Ly what Russian Television has been saying and the positive thing is they call him the man of his word and thats interesting in itself. Politicians generally say they dont know what is going to happen really because there is nothing to say anything concrete about his policies moving forward but what they are definitely saying because the tide is changing, they think actually making trump think about america only is actually good for russia because it means that russia can comb and again start asserting its can comb and again start asserting its can go and aagain start asserts its influence. In the look at The Wish List its not going to be dissimilar to trumps possible agenda. Maybe apart from middle east where syria is one thing but actually long term middle east strategy for russia and america are quite different. It was also said that there cant be Real Progress in syria without the americans, in other words, the possibility of some deal with a deal maker. Other words, the possibility of some deal with a dealmaker. Precisely. Other words, the possibility of some dealwith a dealmaker. Precisely. I guess this is exactly right about nato but i think even if America Withdraws itself from different types of bodies, from world bank, imf, un, this is all actually positive, will be seen positive in moscow. I thought one of the first casualties of trumps vision for america is his hope for improved relationships with russia and putin and the fact that hes appointed, for example, as secretary of defence and he is not alone, amongst the cabinet nominees, somebody who takes a much tougher line on russia. Its indicative and it wont be very long before trump and putin fall out. You are right. Thats why i think the current feeling in moscow is the feeling of lets wait and see what will happen because actually i wouldnt actually be surprised by hearing on the Russian Television moving forward that trump is our quy moving forward that trump is our guy, he is good, he really means well but he is surrounded by the establishment and the hawks of washington wont allow him. |j establishment and the hawks of washington wont allow him. I think what we see is two rather similar and perhaps impulsive characters. I think the idea that theyre going to somehow make great friendship, it will take very little, there is a tinder box, it will take little for either to take great offence at something the other one does. The possibility of friction seems much greater than the idea of this u nless greater than the idea of this unless of course it is true he is totally in putins hands and he has blackmail material and all of that, but leaving that aside. Blackmail material and all of that, but leaving that asidelj blackmail material and all of that, but leaving that aside. I would agree and also say theyre both people actually for putin to be seen alone with trump in this kind of russia us really important summit is an important thing. Interesting this choreography, if there is a summit. People within the Reagan Administration said the president tried to give away all nuclear weapons. Afterwards people thought what was wrong about that . Is this possible to dream that kind of thing . The dream continues, i am sure quite rightly but the way reagan went about it without consulting with his allies was totally negative. Mind you, reagan started as far as russia is concerned with that famous statement in the First Press Conference the day after he was inaugurated when he was asked what do you think about the soviet union, he said they lie, they cheat and want to conquer the world. For trump to give putin so much of the benefit of the doubt already saying you can trust him when russia has to reearn its trust after a ll when russia has to reearn its trust after all that happened recently with the olympics, drugs scandals and interfering in american debates, so and interfering in american debates, so to come out with this statement to trust putin, he says i trust putin as much as i trust angela merkel. It didnt go down well in germany. In terms of what you think he might do if he does spend a lot of money somehow domesticically and rebuilding infrastructure which just about anybody thinks needs rebuilt, where is the money going to come from, but also he has to persuade congress. Isnt one of the big, it may not be as obvious as Foreign Policy to people in europe and Around The World but he has to deal with people in congress who are in the Republican Party who have power and some of whom dont like him. The question is will they be close to him because he is the president and they have to be seen to be or will they have to be seen to be or will they look at the next election which is in two years as far as theyre concerned and say not sure . Many yea rs i concerned and say not sure . Many years i spent in china, the chinese government, when asked a question they didnt want to answer, the situation remains to be determined. This certainly, there are so many uncertainties we can not know. It seems one plain point of friction is going to be money. On the one hand trump has talked about doing something about this huge multitrillion dollar deficit. On the other hand he wants to build up the armed forces on which the United States is already spending the best pa rt states is already spending the best part of 700 billion a year. Now he wa nts to part of 700 billion a year. Now he wants to rebuild american where is the money coming from . It has to come via congress. Congress, we know republicans are very loath to spend money. I think its going to be a lot of conflict there. Its interesting how little he was scrutinised. Whats been extraordinary about this election is that any normal election, a president ial candidate would have to answer that question. You are going to cut taxes and spend hugely on armed forces, huge amount on infrastructure, you are going to save working class america, where are the tax cuts coming . Theyre all for the rich, not for the poor. How does he square any of that . Nobody ever got to force him to answer those. I think there are more dissimilarities between trump and reagan. 0ne Dissimilarities Between Trump and reagan. One obvious dissimilarity is that reagan was a charming individual. Even his political opponents found him a likeable individual. It seems to me thats not the case with trump. In terms of his relationships with congress that may prove to be another difficulty. Could i suggest one thing that one strong positive you may dislike is that he is a great communicator. People will look at the speech and so on people will look at the speech and so on but to people he needs to contact or communicate with, the use of twitter which is just a thing thats said and is republished, thats said and is republished, thats one of the reasons why he wasnt scrutinised in the way you suggest because he was able to say in 140 characters make America Great again and people thought thats a great idea. Yeah, the twitter has been brilliant. He is plainly going to go on with it, all day and all Night Tweeting away. It means that he doesnt get challenged or questioned. He puts it out there to his own followers. That works very well. I think thats a frightening lesson for modern politicians. Listening to that rather doll inaugural speech yesterday, it was indeed dull inaugural speech yesterday, it was indeed written by donald trump. He said he was going to eradicate islamic terror, thats going to be a difficultjob, but setting a tone that is something he can clearly work with moscow on. As you remember, the relationship between russia or soviet union and the west always were they were constructive on anything to do with Nuclear Missile treaties, Irrespect Yaf of how bad the relationship were in early 80s, they still were able to go and do something on the missiles. In terms of the co operation between the secret services, definitely post 9 11 when putin was the first to call bush and he was proud of that, he has suggested his help and this will continue definitely. Lets just not make mistakes about why, what aims put isnt trying to achieve in the middle east or anywhere else and others because obviously as i was referring to The Wish List, The Wish List goes much further than that. There is a question about ukraine and georgia and notjoining nato, we we re and georgia and notjoining nato, we were this is this legend, nobody knows whether it is true, whether it was promised not a single country in europe would join nato after reunification of germany. There is mixed stories about whether this happened. Here the same thing. I think i agree with you, if they hit it off it will be really fabulous relationship between them two for the next whatever years. But its hard. The difference is putin has a plan. I dont think trump has a plan, he has tweets, i dont think he knows where georgia is. A tired phrase already, in a world where people believe with their hearts and react with their hearts, rather than their minds, we are talking about scrutiny, we as journalists are interested in that sort of thing. I guess societies in large Around The World probably are going to the fact that different thing. There are obvious problems. For instance, iran isa obvious problems. For instance, iran is a defacto ally in the middle east with russia and iran is one of the bogeymen donald trump has threatened to change relations with. Thats one of the questions they are not going to be comfortable talking about. In the middle east also if america, obviously sides with saudi arabia, russia clearly with iran, so thats the biggest issue. Relations with the biggest issue. Relations with the rest of the world, the most important is with the white house relationship with congress. No wonder we Call Congress the other arm of government. That is central. He cant do anything unless he strikes an emoll yant or tolerant relationship with congress. Carter had a majority of his own party in congress but he was constantly bogged down by fighting in congress. He cant make peace with congress. So its essential that congress and trump will get on. I am not sure they will. Its a terrible juvenile habity of his to be pursuing. He communicate with people who will not listen to white house speeches, it communicate with a lot of people. He doesnt read anything himself, he says i havent got time. All he can read is tweets. He assumes all his followers read tweets. He overpromises. That speech raised expectations in the wild sort of fashion which Congress Soon will shut down i am sure. We should remember mcmilline, events, dear boy, events. Some events may be forthcoming and unimaginable, the events of 2016 were unimaginable a year ago. It could not, for example what if there is friction on the borders with russia and estonia and lithuania, how long would that last . We dont know that, if he is convinced he needs to build factories and whatever, then he said that America First and potentially, you know, estonia. At the end of the queue. I want to come on to queues about trade and other things. Theresa may made clear her plans for brexit this week. 0r, she didnt. Britain out of the Single Market was clear enough but if we dont get a deal she said britain is prepared to walk away. Does anyone have any idea what that might mean . And how is mrs mays clarity or otherwise viewed Around The World . First of all, we will get to the trade talks with the head of the queue, back of the queue, whatever, but in germany when people heard what theresa may had to say was it much clearer what britain is aiming for . Well, its very hard for germans to understand the way the british mind ticks. Still to this day they dont understand how a nation, a member of the eu can even conceive of leaving it. This notion of the Island Nation going for the global sort of horizon is totally strange to the way of thinking. We are in europe surrounded with nothing but friends at the moment and we need to be collectively involved ap for britain to go it alone i keep reminding them a tradition that sea faring nations reached out beyond the immediate continent and neighbourhood and other than that they think they will look at it rationally and the arrival of trump on the scene as i said before gives me hope, the two sides, the eu and britain will come together at a workable sort of solution. There is no advantage to be gained from going into a Trade War Mindset between the eu and great britain. While you have to be careful not to make it too easy for britain to leave it because that would bring up Copycat Mentalities of other european nations, who might say we can also leave it. Thats probably again unofficial hope from within the kremlin is that basically starting an avalanche for the same trends in other countries. Other countries have their own. The relationship between eu and russia always subject to this exercise southern countries were more pro russian. I am generalising here. But you definitely have greece and some former countries. Now you have le pen part financed. M some former countries. Now you have le pen partfinanced. If you look at probably the britain leaving the European Union is out of the public debate in russia, just not an issue. Its irrelevant . Regular russians would say i wish we had your problems generally, that would be one way of looking at it and other people would say good for you, we all know how bad the European Union is and go and do it alone because you are a great country. Do you think we have clarity this week . Absolutely not. We got some fairly ill intent and the idea she would say we are leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union but somehow we are going to have magical deal which is just as good as being are going to have magical deal which isjust as good as being inside are going to have magical deal which is just as good as being inside when the response right across europe, whether it was in brussels or individual capitals was you cant do that, you are either in or out, there is no way in which you are going to have a better deal, you will not have to pay in, you will not have to accept Freedom Of Movement and then of course this global fantasy, it was extraordinary sort of empire talk. She has an elizabeth i fantasy apparently she sees herself in this role and we will have she is wonderful trade deals. If we want a trade deal with india, for instance, they will demand more visas. Now a lot of the impetus a

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