itheir original plan was to proroguel parliament and leave without a deal and that didn't work. and then they needed a deal, - because it was much easier to fight a general election with an oven ready brexit deal than to - fight one without it. so they thought, "well, - we'll sign up to what we need "to sign up to and we'll try and wriggle out of it - "down the line." and the eu i think have cottoned | on to that and that is why we'rel heading to another showdown at the end of september. - but why was it ok for you to have a backstop that would be superseded by future negotiations with the eu that meant you didn't need it, but it's not ok for this lot to have signed a protocol in the hope that you could then negotiate something that supersedes it that's better? well, it's not for me to talk- for the eu, but the eu would say this wasn't a backstop. this wasn't a sort i of reserved option. this was the long—term solution for the trading relationship - in terms of how the special problems that northern ireland poses - when it comes to brexit. but is it fair to say there is a spectrum in how this might have been applied? yeah. you know... of course it is, of course it is.