Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170711 : vimarsana.com

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20170711

To swing last autumns election. But today, Donald Trumps son, donald junior, was forced to release a string of emails suggesting he knowingly met last summer with russian officials who promised to dish dirt on Hillary Clinton. Today, democratic senator tim kaine mrs clintons running mate said, in terms of whats being investigated, this is moving into perjury, false statements and even potentially treason. A former watergate prosecutor described the emails as a smoking cannon. The president , meanwhile, defended his son as a high quality person committed to transparency. They only actually met last week but the exact relationship between President Trump and his russian counterpart is a constant theme among critics. There were plenty of allegations but not much fact. Now, details of a meeting between Meeting Willett were members of the Trump Campaign and a russian lawyer have changed that. The picture is rapidly evolving, the president s son having to shift his position over the last three days and the publication of fresh details of the Meeting Injune Last Year by the New York Times prompted the president s eldest son to release what he said was the entire e mail chain. On the 3rd ofjune, rob goldstone, a british Publicist Acting for russian clients told mr trumpjunior that he could introduce him to someone who had been briefed by the russian authorities who. The tycoons son replied within minutes saying. Later on the 7th ofjune, the date having been set for the meeting, mr goldstone referred to the person coming over as Donald Trump Jr replied that the meeting would take place at trump tower in new york. In releasing the e mails, Donald Trumer wrote that he was being totally transparent and reiterated that the russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya ,. Earlier today the lawyer insisted that she was never in possession of information that could have damaged Hillary Clinton but that trumps people definitely wanted it. Translation its quite possible that maybe they were looking for such information, they wanted it so badly. Rob goldstone has previously told the New York Times that the meeting produced no new information. He has also clarified that the lawyer was not a kremlin official. The president s legal team have said that he was not aware and did not attend the june meeting. But the E Mail Publication raises questions about the various shifts in Donald Trumers position on the meeting, from initially denying it had anything to do with the Hillary Clinton campaign. The bbcs paul wood has been investigating President Trumps alleged links with russia since last summer. He joins us from now washington. Paul, youve come in on a day when you were moving house, i think, so i assume you think this is areas . You couldnt miss this one. There have been many bad days for the club Trump Administration on russia, this is the worst, the most serious. First principles, the Us Intelligence agencies and say that russia interfered in the us president ial election and did so to get mr trump elected. The white house has always denied that narrative. I had lunch with a senior aide to trump recently and he said that it was political, from the top of the agencies. I think it will be difficult for the white house to keep to this line now that we have Donald Trump Jr accepting a meeting on the basis that it is the russian government trying to hand over information. Theres a huge investigation going on, hundreds of fbi agents, all looking at whether the Trump Campaign colluded with the russian Intelligence Services, specifically, according to members of the Obama Administration whove seen the intelligence, it is alleged that members of the Trump Campaign directed the kremlin to hack and co ordinate the leaking of the documents. Looking at these e mail exchanges that Donald Trumer published today, the meeting was not about telling the russians where to hack, he was being offered official russian information, damaging to Hillary Clinton allegedly, but it was not the result of illegal actions on us soil, at least according to those e mails. That may not help him much, not least because if you cast your mind back to the Christopher Steele dossier, the former mi6 man who sat this hare running with these reports, he said that there had been an eight Year Exchange of information between russia and the Trump Campaign and this information fits into that. One Network Anchor said today that it if Donald Trumer wasnt colluding, then he was collusion curious. You have given some hints about your contacts with people from the administration and weve seen a tweet from the president saying, who wouldnt be interested in information from the opposition . Is that the line they are going to take . What is their strategy . I think they are in a panic. It was very telling that once again the White House Press briefing wasnt on camera and the spokesperson said, basically, talk to the lawyers, whenever she was asked a question. Telling that Donald Trumer changed his story. His explanation was initially that he was meeting with russian orphans who were being adopted by American Parents but when the New York Times had the e mails, he went public. I think you can see the white house falling back on the naivete defence, we have heard this from their supporters in congress, well, we wernet involved in politics before, didnt really know what we were getting into. They say they did not realise that they were breaking the law, that was the defence Whenjared Kushner did not mention a meeting with a Russian Ambassador on his official forms. Whether that works, remains to be seen. There is an investigation, probably more to come out. Having spoken to three intelligence sources who have seen classified intercepts they have said there is no specific Conversation Speaking of a conspiracy but there are a number of suspicious contacts and that is what this investigation will be looking at. You can bet if the New York Times has this transcript then the Intelligence Services have many more of them. This is the worst day so far but i think there will be more bad days on russia for the Trump Administration to come. Thank you, youd better get back to your moving. Michael wolff is a leading american author whos writing a book about president Donald Trumps white house. He has been a critic of the liberal media. I spoke to him earlier. I asked what he makes of the latest chapter in the saga. This is a real one. We now have evidence, and lets be very precise about what we do now know, we now know that the russian government reached out to embrace the Trump Campaign and that the Trump Campaign was very willing to be embraced by the russian government. Now, theres no crime there that we know of yet but we certainly are a big step forward to the circumstance in which there could be collusion in the commission of a crime and thats important, because just to establish collusion, as the trump people are desperately saying today, is not a crime. What about electoral law, soliciting a foreign contribution, doesnt that put Donald Trumer into difficult legal waters . I think thats kind of a sideshow at this point. One of the other aspects of this is going on is the Media Response to this, which is a paroxysm of glee and delight and i told you so and game over. The media has gone through this paroxysm many times before and if the media has done anything on this story, its gotten ahead of where the story really is. So, this is. This has taken a clear step forward but it is by no means where the media thinks it is or thinks it is where it should be. People have obviously got carried away, we note mr trump has plenty of enemies in the liberal media but you yourself, as someone with very good. I would like to clarify that. Everyone in the liberal media is a trump enemy. Ok, well, wouldnt you say, and i think you have been so far, that this is real. Of course it hasnt been judged by a court yet, there hasnt been a real legal thrashing out of the issue but it is important and quantitatively different. No, youve just taken a major leap beyond what we know. Its not a question of a court. You could not at this point say what crime may have been committed here. It looks terrible, i mean, they associate with really a lot of dubious characters, it is russia, after all. I mean, the story couldnt sound. Appear worse, but, but, there is no nexus in which anyone can establish a crime. Just taking dirt from the russians on Hillary Clinton isnt a crime. Its a benefit potentially under the law. Lets park that for a moment. No, somebody slipped you a little mickey here. Forget the electoral laws, it is not relevant. You have done bad research on this. Its a benefit potentially under the law. You have good lines into the trump white house, you have good access. How obsessed do you think the president has become with this issue . We heard reports at the time of the james comey dismissal of him saying to the russians, i got rid of the problem. This seems to be an issue that has bedevilled him. There is no question about this. The president is. This is top of mind for the president , top of mind forever be in the white house. They have taken steps, structural steps, to deal with this. They have modelled their response after the way the clintons handled monica lewinsky. Which resulted in the impeachment of the present, by the way. This is central to what is going on in the white house right now. Thank you so much. Where does this go from here . Mark mazzetti is the Washington Investigations Editor for the New York Times. He has been overseeing the papers investigations into Donald Trumps links to russia. Hejoins me now from dc. Can ijust start by asking you, doesnt this meeting injune 2016, and the fact that these people in trump tower seemed so keen to take it, suggest there was no pipeline or formal connections with the russians until this point . I mean, i wouldnt draw eye conclusions either way necessarily. Certainly there were contacts, there was a relationship going back several years before between Donald Trumer and the man several years between Donald Trumer and the Man Associated with the Miss Universe pageant in 2013. I would be careful and i would caution everybody else to not draw direct conclusions either way about this meeting, and to not go beyond where the facts are. We know based on the reporting of the last several days that this meeting was brokered because Donald Trumer believed the russian government had damaging information about Hillary Clinton, and was very eager to take the meeting. Were still trying to figure out what became of that, if anything. What information was discussed. I think it is a Significant Development in that we now have a detail about a significant meeting, but there is more work to be done to put pieces together either way. Where does it take us in terms of the familiar Trump Allegation that the trump tower was bugged . I mean, just in terms of potential incidental collection by Us Intelligence agencies, that may have brought these e mails to light, does that suggest there was incidental collection in that case . Not at all. No one has alleged that these e mails were intercepted by Us Intelligence agencies, or american law enforcement. So no, there has been no suggestion at all. You are saying they werent . Im saying there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that. The whole story will come to light. Nothing reported so far suggests there was any involvement of american intelligence agencies. Where do you take your investigation next . What are you hunting for in terms of connections and communications between these key individuals . A lot of it is where the same questions remain. Was there a concerted effort between the Trump Campaign under the russian government to share information, to coordinate on message, to some are actively try to help donald trump . We saw from this meeting that there was at least interest on the part of the Trump Campaign. It does not show that there was an active campaign of collusion or really that there was any direct evidence that their actions taken that had any impact. There are still questions about the president , there are still questions about some of his advisers and a lot of the suspicious contacts that need to be run to ground. Clearly we will watch the pages of your paper and await your next instalment. Thank you very much. Whats happening to the workplace, workers rights, and how the government regulates or taxes all this . Theyre big questions, which Matthew Taylor attempted to answer today, as he published his review on the future of employment. But will the government implement it . And do Companies Even observe the rules in their present form . Newsnight teamed up to with colleagues from bbc london to investigate the Work Practices of one high Street Company and the results, such as pay equivalent to one third of the minimum wage, are shocking. Heres guy lynns report. We have been investigating a Company Working in some of the uks largest shopping centres. We found workers exhausted and controlled. It is long hours. You need to work six days a week. Seemingly paid below the minimum wage and denied key work benefits. Youve made £15 in five hours. Ive made zero in seven hours. In whats called bogus self employment. There are none of the hallmarks there, really, of true self employment. But worse still, this seems to me to be exploitation of workers. This is our undercover researcher carla not her real name. She will try to get a job in a Company Called soap co, who sell skin products from the dead sea. They have got Stores Across london, including at one of the uks largest shopping centres, westfield. So you need a place to live . Yeah. I have to look for something where to live. So, yeah. Because we provide as well. Do you . Oh, thats amazing. Carla has been invited for an interview with the compa nys manager. And youre working on commission only. 0k. And was clear about one thing right from the start. Youre working as a self employed person. 0k. Yeah. I have that, yeah. Thats good. So youre working as a self employed person, so you are in charge of how much you are earning. 0k. And to pay tax and everything. Yeah. Youre working in our company as a self employee. It is not like we are hiring you, ok . 0k. And carla goes on to sign the contract. So here it is. Plenty of references to her being self employed, an independent contractor. The key though isnt necessarily whats in the contract. Its what actually happens in practice. She should be able to choose as someone who is self employed. But she has to work a schedule at soap co at westfield shopping centre, and also at covent garden, at the companys affiliate. From 11 to 21 30. From 9 30 to 20 00. Yeah . If you look at the schedule you will find your name as well here. 0k . And after that, on sunday, youre coming at 11, youre finishing at eight. Yeah . Hello, gentlemen. A gift for you. She commences work, selling Skincare Products on commission, made to work around 60 hours a week. Ok, you want to do them all the time. 0k . It doesnt matter who, just go. 0k . And staff are compelled to work with only one day off a week. Do you know if we can take days off on the weekends . Not quite. Eh . Not quite. What does that mean . Usually on the weekend you work. No one has a day off. Were not allowed two days off, are we . No, no. So only one, yeah . A self employed person would ordinarily be free to do the work, or not to do the work, on a given day. And if they chose not to do the work, then they have the right to provide a substitute, someone else to do that work in their stead. And thats not what we saw was happening here. And it quickly becomes clear that staff are heavily controlled, forced to clean without pay, reprimanded for arriving even slightly late. Sorry, this is. Sorry, yeah. Why didnt you send a message . I didnt realise i was

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