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BBCNEWS Question Time June 5, 2017

I think they should have more powers to be able to monitor these people, especially where data has been encrypted on mobile phones. It is a new world we live in. Why in your manifesto do you say, picking up on that point, that he would Rollback State Surveillance Powers . It is not that you dont want new powers, you want fewer . We are talking about the Snoopers Charter, data surveillance, however you want to describe it. This is the issue, when we are trying to deal with terrorists and suspected terrorists, we need to be able to focus on what they do and who they talk to. What we have at the moment, if you like, is an ever widening haystack and we are looking for a needle. The answer is not to put more hay into the haystack. It is to put more magnets around the haystack so we can find what is in there in the first place. So you dont want those powers, you want them rolled back . There are two things, i have a practical concern and a principled concern. The practical concern is this, our Security Services utterly need the ability to be able to catch and trace people but the widening of powers is not something the evidence is there to support. It is a practical problem and there is a principal issue. The lady in the middle. You have said that the practical is to put more police effectively back on the beat again, that the conservatives have got rid of, 20,000 bobbies on the beat. Are you going to give them more than a big stick . Lets takes a mother views. Lady at the front. One of the terrorists was known, he appeared on an itv a documentary. Channel 4. Unveiling an isis flag. We have Thousands Ofjawad is being allowed back into the country. Jihadis. Why are they being allowed back into the country and why are we not in turning the people we know are problematic . And the gentleman at the front. Just, i dont want to feel like the thing is too reactionary and we are just taking this for one issue to strengthen powers against terrorism. Terrorism, by its own mindset, is basically to create fear and to create a reaction. Strengthening views like that might be used indirectly. Yes, we were hearing about a big stick. So we need to have resources. Cressida dick said today she did not favour and did not think it would make us a safer country if we armed every officer in the uk. I agree with her but that does not mean we shouldnt have more resources and off that £300 million the Liberal Democrats would give to the police force, some of that would go towards ensuring we have that capability. Theres a question about people being allowed back in the country and that is a really good question, given we had a question about the powers we do or dont need. The government has, the Home Secretary has the power to issue temporary Exclusion Orders. In the last two years, she has used one. We know of people who potentially could have been stopped. It is not whether we have the powers, it is whether we use them. But it is notjust that because you say in your manifesto you want to rollback powers. You oppose powers for the Security Services to read encrypted messages, you oppose taking internet history, you oppose the Anti Radicalisation Prevent Strategy and you once talked about a paranoid, authoritarian state. You are the new no powers man. We want to back the police do have resources to do something about it. At times like this, it is very easy and tempting for a politician to come up with a knee jerk, sounds good response. I want to do some good. I realise at this point, people are seeking answers and want to see action. For example, you talked about the anti radicalisation strategy, and you asked the question before about people we know about and are not tackling. We know that the murderer in manchester was reported by his community on five separate occasions. That is a reminder that the community out there are desperate to tackle terrorism and the police and Security Services dont have the resources to enable them to do it. That is where the priority must be. So even if the police and Security Services say they want more powers, you say they are wrong and they can have more money but not more powers. If you listen to the police and Security Services, what they want most is the resources to catch people and theres also a point, what do terrorists want us to do, to turn in on ourselves and be divided as a country . They want us to give up on our freedoms and our liberties and those are the things we must not sacrificed otherwise the terrorists would have won. Applause time for your next question. Changing the subject, moving on to the issue of brexit. Is your second referendum strategy in any way respecting the will of the british people . I always think that if you believe in people having a vote, that is generally quite democratic. I take the view that the result last june, 52 48, as narrow as it was, nevertheless, the government has the mandate to negotiate brexit and that is the direction the country is going in. If im honest, it breaks my heart. Im someone who believed that britain would still be better at the heart of the European Union. Nevertheless, i accept that if the narrow wheel of the people. The thing is this, though, What Happens Next . One might argue that theresa may has called the election as early as she has, despite the fact she also has a clear majority in parliament because labour backed her, she has called it now before the details of brexit become clear. That plan, that deal that theresa may and indeed the european leaders will negotiate, will impact upon all of our lives, the younger we are, for longer, and it will impact on the prices we pay at the supermarket, onjobs and Everything Else. The single point here, nick, if i can finish. Then you can tell me if im right or wrong. It is simply this that we will have to live with this deal for the next several generations and it will either get signed off by the politicians or by the people. What if it is a bad deal and i mean dementia tax bad, that kind of bad . If it is that bad, shouldnt you have the final say and not the politicians in vape filled rooms in brussels and london. Applause we are having a General Election to decide who will give us the best deal going forward. Why do we need another referendum to save we will take the deal or not . Which way did you vote in the referendum . I voted to leave. The gentleman just down here . Second referendum for the eu, why not a second referendum. For scotland. Applause both scotland and northern ireland, as you know the voted overwhelmingly to remain. We are partners, equal partners of the union, not regions. Do you support Nicola Sturgeon being at the top table for brexit negotiations . Lets come back to the scottish issues particularly in a second and first deal with ashleys point, which is that she thinks you are not listening to the will of the people. What part of no dont you understand . Fundamentally, my view, im a democrat. But you are not because you say there was a vote and you want to have another one. We had a General Election two years ago and we appear to be having another one. Applause i absolutely accept the result of the referendum and the people i blame for the situation we have got ourselves in our David Cameron and George Osborne who took a chance on our countrys future and our children will pay for it and they were on the remain side so i blame them if its anyone. We are a country learned to deal with a new future and we must do it together but that deal that none of us know the content stop will be stitched up Behind Closed Doors by brussels and london and i simply say the final deal will be stitched up, or rather decided, endorsed by someone, either the politicians or the people. I think it is ultimately democratic to say it must be the people. Applause do you want to come back to the scotland question . The difference between the positions. Lets carry on with the brexit position, whether people think you are or not listening to the will of the people . Doesnt it just underline that a yes or no referendum is a blunt instrument to make constitutional decisions with . Can i be honest and say im not an enormous fan with referendums but if you start with democracy, you cant end up with a stitch up. We voted for departure last june but we did not vote on the destination. It was not on the ballot paper and the only person i blame for that is David Cameron, it is nobody s fault but his but we have started with democracy and we cannot end this process with a stitch up. After that, i will be happy if we never have another referendum. Im a young person and i have just come back from living in the European Union and i really feel like im being shut out of this debate about free movement, about losing free movement, which would be so damaging to my life chances. Why shouldnt i get a say on what kind of brexit i want to see . I think mr farron will agree with that. I do. As a little reminder, it is a brilliant point, but two things i want to say, first, the majority voted to leave, that is the result in the direction of the country but all of us, especially our leaders, must not forget that three quarters of our young people voted to remain and they will have to live with the consequences of this for longer than most of us. The second point, Freedom Of Movement is often raised but what about Freedom Of Movement for british people . Our ability to live, work and study, love and explore overseas . These things matter, too, which is why the content of the deal should be agreed by the people, not the politicians. Forgive me, these are the arguments you put in the referendum and you were defeated. 48 of the population voted remain, nobody quite trust s Opinion Polls at the moment and not one of them as you above 10 . This is not exactly a popular cause, is it . Cliche klaxon number one, the only poll that matters is the one on thursday. But it is right. If people really wanted what you wanted, you would be a very popular man, wouldnt you . Thats a good question and im sure it may be so. Firstly, doing what you believe in is the right thing to do, some people think we take a calculation of our position, on this matter of democracy for the final deal but do you know my major motivation . In 30 years time, when my children are my age, i want to look them in the eye and tell them i did everything i could to protect their future. That is what being in politics should be about, not narrow calculation. Applause the gentleman at the front here as stewart about the scottish referendum. Asked you. A second referendum is ok for europe but its not good enough for the people of scotland, and we were promised the only way we could stay in europe was by voting no. Ok, so the answer to this question starts with me saying something nice about Nicola Sturgeon and the snp, wait for it. Nearly three years ago, when scotland had the chance to vote to leave the United Kingdom, the snp, its then First Minister alex salmond, produced a 650 page white paper showing what leaving the United Kingdom would look like for scotland. And 12 months ago, nigel farage presented us with a lie on the side of a bus. They are not comparable. The scottish people voted in that referendum knowing not just departure but destination also. They had no idea of the destination because britain have not elected conservative government but was committed to have a referendum that eventually took us out of eu. The people of scotland voted on the basis of a false prospectus. The argument is. If you are a democrat, why not give them another go . I fully respect whatever people feel on both sides of the issue on independence. I am bound to say as a northerner, it breaks my heart, the thought but you want to leave us lot saddled with the tories, please dont go, but the second thing i would say on this is that we as a party stood in the holyrood elections, the Scottish Parliamentary elections, last may, on a manifesto committed to scotland as part of the United Kingdom and so keeping to our mandate, it is right that we say we continue to support the union and theyre not being a rerun of the scottish referendum. A couple of quick points. In 2014, scotland was told that if it wanted to stay in the eu, it would have to vote no, so scotland voted no and endorsed the eu. In 2016, scotland voted to remain in the eu. Twice in two years, scotland has endorsed the eu. Surely the only way to get a route back into the eu per scotland is to become an independent country . Would you not agree there is misinformation on either side of these referenda . There is certainly misinformation from the eu and there was misinformation from the no campaign in regards to what we would get if we stayed in the eu. Uk. You have less than ten seats now, you will have less than ten seats in a weeks time, what is the point of a vote for the liberal platitudes . Thank you very much if the polling is to be believed, one third of the folks in here support the snp and enough respect to all of you and two years ago, you had six mps and whether i like it or not, you have made a significant difference in that time, so dont write off people on the current number of mps in single digits. There were a bunch of questions about What Happens Next and the rest of it. My view is simply this, as somebody who is a northerner, committed to my Collective British identity, i want us to be a United Kingdom. I totally respect those who believe in independence but i politely disagree. The issue about there being untruths or wrong arguments on either side, do you know what . I mean, i most critical about the arguments used by those who operated the remain campaign. Talking about misuse of information. I think theyre asking, why wont you give them a scotland referendum again . I think i have explained that. You asked me a question about people giving wrong arguments and all the rest of it. Can i point at the moment, im fairly sure, that remain lost the referendum last year . It was the moment the George Osborne, who i should be nice to because he may or not print this, he pointed out that if you leave the European Union, usual foreign holiday, you lose your savings, you lose your pension, you lose yourjob. You would lose your foreign holiday. A whole bunch of people in this country thought i had got none of them, stuff you. The arguments for remain were not the emotional inspiring ones that should have been used and we could well have won. That is the history, a new question please, from ann treherne. Do you feel conflicted between your faith and your policies . Not in the slightest. I mean, my identity, like most of you in here, is multiple in the sense that i am a father, yes i am a christian, i am a northerner, not as northerly as most of you but i count myself as a northerner, i am a liberal democrat, i could be facetious and say i am a Blackburn Rovers fan. All of these things make up who i am and we all but blend of different identities and i believe somebody who lives in a society like this, which is so diverse and so balanced, i couldnt want to pick another country in the world to be in. You know why the question is being asked, it is because you have been asked it again and again and you may consider it unfair that you have often been asked whether you regard homosexuality as a sin . You have not wanted to answer the question. N0 is the answer to that question. You dont think it is a sin . Do you think abortion is wrong . The question is do you act in a way because of what you believe sincerely in your heart in a liberal fashion and defend peoples rights . Ijoined the liberal party, as it was then, when i was 16 but one of the very first campaigns i was involved in was trying to abolish and get rid of section 28, that homophobic piece of legislation introduced by the conservative government of that time and right the way through my time, passionate for lgbt plus rights, particularly when we were in coalition government, introducing gay marriage, and that is what is important. He has been clear, he doesnt regard homosexuality as a sin. What do you think . You answer the earlier question by saying you have to do what you believe in, you have been active in lgbt and voted in favour of gay marriage, which i am impressed by, i respect that. That must be very difficult with a christian evangelical background. No, if you are a liberal, you fight for everybodys right to be who they are. I honestly dont understand the conflict people think is there. Why is it so hard to answer the question . I am not somebody who wants to go around talking about my faith all the time. But you have had lots of interviews, you must be tempted to say lets have done with this and answer it . Or you could actually take the view that i am not running to the pope and am not. Applause so i am a political leader, not a religious one. So i dontjudge anybody. Utterly key to my faith, for what it is worth, you treat others as you want to be treated yourself. You do notjudge other people otherwise you yourself will bejudged. We will move onto another subject and another. Frank donnelly. Can we trust the Liberal Democrats after the u turn on tuition fees that left their reputation in tatters . Applause so, i am the leader of the Liberal Democrats. I made a promise to my constituents by signing the pledge in 2015 to vote against an increase in tuition fees and i kept my pledge. You can argue it cost me a place as a minister during that time of the coalition government. Its important to keep your promises. Its also important to do what is righ

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