In britain in the past two years. Maria murray is the associate director of prevention and comunity engagement at the dogs trust and she explained to me just what sort of dog this is. Its very difficult to define what an xl bully is its not a breed that is recognised by the kennel club, so we have bull breeds of all descriptions coming through, but to actually define an xl bully is incredibly difficult. What do you make to the cause for this breed to be banned . I mean, the latest video that has gone viral around the globe is a really shocking image of a dog chasing after a girl, and two men who had tried to protect her. It is a terrifying video, i am a mother of a young daughter myself, so watching that was terrifying, and we absolutely agree that something needs to be done to protect the public. However, we feel that an all out ban on one particular breed is not the way forward. We have legislation such as that at the moment, it is not working, and to add more breeds to the list, which are really difficult to define anyway, we do not see it as the way forward. Wouldnt it be a start . I think, if you actually look at the steps that would have to be taken in order to enforce that, it is unrealistic, and there are other things that could be done that would be more beneficial, so actually, we do want an overhaul of the legislation, it is very much out of date, but we dont want it to be breed specific. We want it to focus on the owners and the responsibility of the owners, and actually, really Early Intervention so that we know if we have owners who have got dogs that are out of control, that there are really strong penalties for those owners, but at the moment, they are not being enforced. We need that to act as a deterrent to other people. What are the deterrent at the moment, very briefly . You can face up to m years in prison for the death of someone at the hands of your dog. Sorry, 1a years in prison, sorry, what was the second page . So, that would be for the death of someone of that owners dog, but there are large fines for injuries and prison sentences as well. For dogs that cause injury. That was the view from the dogs trust. Lets bring in the panel. Marianne, here in the uk, there are four band of breeds, and its been very controversial ever since the Dangerous Dogs Act was brought in decades ago now. In the us, whats the situation . Presumably this is a breed which originated in the us. Yes, which doesnt seem to be as popular here as pit bulls, which was the original dog that led to this breed, and pit bulls are still very controversial in the us, and it has been for years. In the us has wrestled with those very same challenges your guest outlined, as well. Theres a saying i have a dog as we speak at my feet, and they say, their only bad no bad dogs, only bad owners. But i think accommodation of other factors, like crossbreeding, which gets you not a purebred dog but lots of combinations in the traits come out differently when theyre crossbred, and covid, where i think a lot of people went and got dogs because they wanted a pet and the companionship and were ill prepared to be owners. So i think something has to be done more then is being donein has to be done more then is being done in the uk right now because yes, a 14 year sentence for someone dying is stiff, but youre never bringing that person back. So some kind of temporary hold on having additional dogs like this, only keeping them on your personal property, Something Like that, something has to be done in the interim until a better solution is found. ,. , interim until a better solution is found. , ~. , found. David, you will know very well the controversy found. David, you will know very well the controversy of found. David, you will know very well the controversy of the well the controversy of the Dangerous Dogs Act, its been a controversial piece of legislation yet here we are, Suella Braverman looking at adding another dog to that list. � �. , , that list. And im not surprised in the circumstances. That list. And im not surprised in the circumstances. You that list. And im not surprised in l the circumstances. You mentioned earlier, the circumstances. You mentioned earlier, i the circumstances. You mentioned earlier, i think half the dog deaths over the earlier, i think half the dog deaths over the last two years came from this breed, over the last two years came from this breed, which i assume is relatively this breed, which i assume is relatively rare. I dont claim to be an expert relatively rare. I dont claim to be an expert on this, but i do know there are an expert on this, but i do know there are these difficulties in terms there are these difficulties in terms of there are these difficulties in terms of identifying a particular breed terms of identifying a particular breed and this is not defined by the kemet breed and this is not defined by the kennel club, and many of the Dog Charities kennel club, and many of the Dog Charities are saying they dont go down charities are saying they dont go down this charities are saying they dont go down this particular route. But i think down this particular route. But i think its down this particular route. But i think its entirely understandable for any think its entirely understandable for any Home Secretary to want to explore for any Home Secretary to want to explore this because these dogs do appear explore this because these dogs do appear to explore this because these dogs do appear to be particularly vicious and aggressive. It tends to react to circumstances much more than any other circumstances much more than any other breed circumstances much more than any other breed of dog, and i think ministers other breed of dog, and i think ministers are entitled to Explore Whether ministers are entitled to Explore Whether a ministers are entitled to Explore Whether a band is appropriate here, because whether a band is appropriate here, because the scenes weve seen and the statistics weve heard about suggest the statistics weve heard about suggest this is a real threat to all members suggest this is a real threat to all members of the public. And thats not something that really can be justified. Not something that really can be justified, so i think the government is right justified, so i think the government is right to justified, so i think the government is right to explore this. And justified, so i think the government is right to explore this. Is right to explore this. And david, how easy is is right to explore this. And david, how easy is it is right to explore this. And david, how easy is it for is right to explore this. And david, how easy is it for the is right to explore this. And david, how easy is it for the home how easy is it for the Home Secretary or any politician to look at that video and be seen to not be doing anything . Its quite a difficult situation on that front, isnt it . It difficult situation on that front, isnt it . ,. , difficult situation on that front, isnt it . ,. , isnt it . It is, and generallyl would caution isnt it . It is, and generallyl would caution against isnt it . It is, and generally i l would caution against kneejerk reaction would caution against kneejerk reaction and one bad instance, and the Dangerous Dogs Act did become a bad word the Dangerous Dogs Act did become a bad word for bad legislation byword bad word for bad legislation byword for bad word for bad legislation byword for bad legislation. But i think byword for bad legislation. But i think what we are seeing is a series of attacks think what we are seeing is a series of attacks coming from one relatively rare breed. I think the government is entitled at least to e of the parents� bill of rights in 2022 also known as the dont say gay bill. The 0ut Equal Workplace Summit draws more than 5,000 attendees annually, and will be held in disneys Florida Premises for the next two years. I spoke to aubreyjewett, who is a political scientist and Associate Professor at the university of central florida. Aubrey took us through the background and looked at how this has come about. Well, a year or more ago, Governor Ron Desantis and the legislator passed a bill, as you said a moment ago, called the parental bill of rights which critics labelled orientation or Gender Identity and Public Schools in florida originally it was only kindergarten through to third grade, but now it goes all the way through high school. In response, disney spoke out and said that, we dont agree with that bill, we think it is wrong, and we are going to fight against it in court, or fight to see it repealed. In response, the governor and the legislator has sought to punish disney by taking away their right of Self Government that they have had since the 1960s, since they came to florida. Its just a local government district was set up to take in taxes, and to provide services, like Building Roads and drainage ditches, and things like that. And aubrey, i mean, it has become extraordinary battle, hasnt it . I mean, disney is huge in florida, ron desantis is the governor. Who is this damaging . Is it potentially damaging to disney . Is a potentially damaging to ron desantis, or both . I think, in the long run, potentially damaging to both. In the beginning, Governor Ron Desantis clearly thought it would be a political win for him, in that Many Republican primary and caucus voters around the country found out about ron desantis is not from the covid i9 stuff in florida, in the free state of florida, they found out about him from this battle he was waging with disney. In the longer run, a number of republicans are beginning to turn against him because they say, look, its not conservative or republican to punish a business for speaking out. Its ok to disagree with disney, but its not appropriate to try to punish them, as has been the case here when they try to take away the special taxing district, and theyve replaced it with a board that is appointed by the governor, and theyve threatened to, for instance, open up a jail or prison near disney or allow a competitive theme park to open up near disney. A really interesting one, this, isnt it . Doesnt soon be coming to an end anytime soon. I was interested to hear what aubrey was saying at the end there, that republicans seem to be turning against desantis, saying basically because hes attacking a big company and they dont like that. Weve been talking about delicate tight ropes on this programme about issues, but this is a different one . This is a different one . Desantis has fallen off this is a different one . Desantis has fallen off the this is a different one . Desantis has fallen off the tight this is a different one . Desantis has fallen off the tight rope has fallen off the tight rope and theres no net underneath him. His fight with disney has backfired badly, and you cant get elected president of the us if youre getting beaten by mickey mouse, which is exactly whats happening with disney, whos getting the upper hand in all this. Disney has pulled out 1 billion of investment in florida alone, they have a court case going on, and it week or two ago, desantis was saying he wished the court case would go away, which he brought on himself in the meantime, desantis� s poll numbers nationally and in florida have plummeted. Nationally and in florida have plummeted nationally and in florida have lummeted. ,. ,. ,. , plummeted. This anything to do with that . This is plummeted. This anything to do with that . This is what plummeted. This anything to do with that . This is what started plummeted. This anything to do with that . This is what started ron that . This is what started Ron Desantiss that . This is what started Ron Desantiss fall, that . This is what started Ron Desantiss fall, this that . This is what started Ron Desantiss fall, this fight that . This is what started Ron Desantiss fall, this fight with | desantiss fall, this fight with disney and republicans started saying, wait, this is too much, just like the abortion bands and all that. Now it looks like desantis wont even make it to the iowa caucus, and you can see in his eyes recently when he had to go back to florida, after a racist shooting in jacksonville, the Hurricane Damage and you can see him calculating, if i dont become president in 2024, i need to make it to 2028, and i still need to make it to 2028, and i still need to make it to 2028, and i still need to become governor, and hell have a hard time holding onto that. David, your thoughts on that . Weve been hearing about the negative effect this has had on ron desantis, but disney, potentially a brave decision for them, this could be a fairly brave decision . It is decision for them, this could be a fairly brave decision . Fairly brave decision . It is brave, but i fairly brave decision . It is brave, but i think fairly brave decision . It is brave, but i think would fairly brave decision . It is brave, but i think would be fairly brave decision . It is brave, but i think would be striking fairly brave decision . It is brave, | but i think would be striking from the uk but i think would be striking from the uk Perspective Isjust the extent the uk Perspective Isjust the extent to which there is this culture extent to which there is this culture war going on in the us, on these culture war going on in the us, on these particular issues. Weve had a little bit these particular issues. Weve had a little bit of these particular issues. Weve had a little bit of it in the uk, and there little bit of it in the uk, and there are little bit of it in the uk, and there are some politicians who want to make there are some politicians who want to make more of it in the United Kingdom to make more of it in the United Kingdom. But we dont really have anything kingdom. But we dont really have anything to the same extent i do think anything to the same extent i do think it anything to the same extent i do think it is anything to the same extent i do think it is extraordinary that a politician think it is extraordinary that a politician supposedly on the centre iilht politician supposedly on the centre right is politician supposedly on the centre right is trying to use every lever of the right is trying to use every lever of the state to try to embarrass, humiiiate. Of the state to try to embarrass, humiliate, and undermine a private company humiliate, and undermine a private company. Politicians of the centre ii l ht company. Politicians of the centre right ought to recognise that there is a private right ought to recognise that there is a private domain where particular companies is a private domain where particular companies and individuals its their companies and individuals its their choice, its theirvalues companies and individuals its their choice, its their values that should their choice, its their values that should bem their choice, its their values that should be. The state should not be trying should be. The state should not be trying to should be. The state should not be trying to overwhelm and crush them, and i trying to overwhelm and crush them, and i do trying to overwhelm and crush them, and i do think that that is the idea, and i do think that that is the idea, and and i do think that that is the idea, and we havent got that here. I idea, and we havent got that here. I must idea, and we havent got that here. I must say, idea, and we havent got that here. I must say, im not losing any sleep over this i must say, im not losing any sleep over this backfiring on ron desantis, its a type of politics that we desantis, its a type of politics that we could do without in the uk, and im that we could do without in the uk, and im pleased its not working in the us and im pleased its not working in the us | and im pleased its not working in the us. ~. , the us. I think we will leave it on ron desantis the us. I think we will leave it on ron desantis and the us. I think we will leave it on ron desantis and disney the us. I think we will leave it on ron desantis and disney right. The us. I think we will leave it on ron desantis and disney right there, that Conference Starting this week, in the next couple days. Around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. Bbc news bringing you different stories from across the uk. Back to school it should have been a smooth start to the new term, but this pupil ended up here in the sports hall. Pupils claim they had to sit without food or drink for a few hours, all because they were wearing the wrong shoes and their parents arent happy about it. I am absolutely horrified. After everything a lot of these students have lived through, with covid and not being able to learn in a School Environment around their peers, its just incredibly disappointing that they couldnt all have returned to school on tuesday, had a welcome back assembly, and then, any uniform violations, maybe sent home on a note. Hertford highs Uniform Policy was updated in april. It says all pupils have to wear the correct clothes and plain black shoes and theyve issued a list of the shoes that are banned. Well, we did approach Hertford High School for an interview, but they declined. They did, however, issue a statement saying that their Uniform Policy, along with other schools, ensures that students feel part of the community, reducing Peer Pressure and helping to prevent bullying. Youre live with bbc news. Now its time for the panel. David, first of all, this is your chance to put forward the agenda of what you think is important that maybe people