Do remember that famous line . That is what he just said to that fox news. It is really about him master marketer taken control of eight situation that is fluid. Putting his foot any position where it stomps on every other story in the news cycle, sort of likehey mark sort of kmart before it hurricane. So no matter what the show is, we are all talking about donald trump. I did it on my radio show today. He is brilliant. He is brilliant in anyway that has broken every rule and destroyed every obstruction to ordinary political coverage. My hat is off to him as they simple matter of professional marvel. Whether or not this is good for the Republican Party or the country or donald trump, i dont know. But he won the news cycle again. Charlie what motivates them . To own the news cycle . It make sure he takes all of the room that perhaps other candidates are desperately in need of . Hugh i think that is exactly it. Oxygen is in short supply and the people who needed our marco rubio and john kasich and Chris Christie and jeb bush. And carly fiorina. That is the division that is looking to be the alternative to ted cruz and donald trump. They need people to Pay Attention to their messages. Inuz is in theres this bear hug with donald trump. It is like the revenant seen from leonardo dicaprio. Someone will survive that it in the American League where they are beating up on each other, they need people to Pay Attention to their messages and donald trump just killed it again. It is simply brilliant. Charlie why would you do this to megyn kelly . Say, we have had enough debates and im not doing it. I did he have to make it personal . Hugh i dont think it is about megyn kelly although at the beginning the week he tweeted ive had one of these and it isnt personal, it is preparing the battlefield and getting the empires on your side but the press release that fox put out yesterday which taunted him and that is like taunting bear. Taunting a the American People like donald trump and he is leading in every poll because he hates the media as much as they do. He took out in reporter at the press conference yesterday who misquoted him or partially quoted him. On fox news,akes that is contrary news. They do have a lot of lefties on that just like i do on my show fox is the same way and when he does that and takes the filter off, a lot of americans stand up and cheer. If not for him, but for the other moment. Im not going to take anymore. Charlie i dont think donald trump hates the media, i think he knows how to i dont want to save manipulate but he knows how to speak to the media. The same way he knows how to speak to his audience. He knows how to speak. It is a shared conversation. And he knows how to have the media come to him which is not to hate them. Hugh but to play that role of knocking down reporters left and that, i wante said to do the show tonight, you would bump me faster than they guy on they speeded train in japan. And that will be fine, i would do that to anybody. And that is because he is fascinating to talk to. I have done journalism, i have and i constitutional law have been in lawyer for developers. Big developers on the west coast primarily. But abroad and back east. Classicrump is a developer. He is eight steps ahead of the process. He is always anticipating where the game has to go and which bit needs to be gotten and which official needs to have their teams on the side. Developers at that level are taking enormous risks and they make temples that payoff normally of the or they go bankrupt. And some projects do go bankrupt. Gamblerhat developer mentality we see that unfolding every day. I still think ted cruz will win iowa and i told donald crews that last week. I said ted cruz will win iowa and donald grows will win New Hampshire and South Carolina will reset the entire race. And johnge w. Bush mccain it is in new state with eight coastal and towards him economy where they are building giant jets with a lot of Higher Education and football. It will be the reset of the campaign. Up in northrew carolina, as you know. Said,it of what you just it seems to me that it is 82 man race. Hugh i didnt mean to. It is 82 man race for that one lane. Cruz areump and ted fighting it out for the outside washington, break the windows campaign. It ted cruz at today that was paid for via super pac that was brilliant in which he raises his voice about washington but in the other lane is eight lane that is serious about it world that has gone to hell. This is why were hopkins are panicked this is why republicans are panicked. I think Hillary Clinton might be indicted. Forcesw the iraq agreement, she was eight disaster on syria and libya. She is tired and weary and not very good. We can win. For all the republicans who just want to win we have four Supreme Court justices ruth 83 degrees. Rg is is 83 years old. Stephen buyer will be 78 years old. The next president gets to make the Supreme Court. So if you are republican you just want to win. The only person with higher unfavorables than Hillary Clinton is donald trump. He scares a lot of people but he says he can turn around and make the negative and positive. Ted cruz seems to scare a lot of republicans. Like bob dole. Hugh he is interesting. Tois not the guy im looking for the latest developments on twitter and facebook and social media. [laughter] you right now that ted cruz has the best social Media Network of all the candidates. And it touchesb on people. His folks will show up on monday night. Charlie so that is why he will win in iowa. He will have troops on the ground with enthusiasm. Yes, you dont get to argue nine times before the Supreme Court before you are lucky. I have one law partner who is eight former federal judge and he has argued there once. You get there because you are really good at he skill set that is useful. Charlie john roberts was the same way before he became late chief justice. Was 80 solicitor general. It is a small group of people who argue in front of united states. He is among the smartest people i have ever met. He has difficulty not showing that. Dole doesnt like the fact that he showed up and he didnt sit down and be quiet. John allen is a great columnist and i asked him do people really does like ted cruz so much . He explained that he came to town and made everyone ponds on his chessboard. That is what you see with the bob dole institutionalist wing of washington, d. C. Politics. Thelie has that lane of party waited too late . Did they all think that donald trump was going to go away . Hugh clearly yes. And anyone who says otherwise is lying. In 1994 when Newt Gingrich to go over chris cox came onto the set and leaned over to me and tells you they saw this coming, they are lying. And i tell you the same thing. Nobody saw this coming. From the very first time that donald trump even opened it was on the john mccain comment. He is the kind of guy where the more bullet to takes he is rasputin likes. He keeps coming at you. Charlie if you had to lay money today, where would it be . Hugh i have two more debates to do. I predictnt to iowa and New Hampshire but beyond that i have never seen anything like this. Im looking forward to those two debates. Will control and be the deciding factor in South Carolina . South carolina is eight defense and military state. Charlie you know why that is . In the the chairman house was from South Carolina. Hugh i didnt know that. Iowa is in evangelical state. But South Carolina . Look for people to talk seriously about war and policy and strategy for dealing with isis. We dodged in bunch of bullets yesterday. The fellow they picked up in milwaukee, thank god for the fbi and the milwaukee law enforcement. He was pretty far down the road. Does another attack, paris style South Carolina knows that. Let me turn to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. You seem to lay all the blame the obamaism of administration at the feet of Hillary Clinton when you know that Foreign Policy is run out of the white house. Hugh i do believe that she purposely positioned herself to take responsibility for libya. Whenever she talks about the 11 i think of the movie, 13 hours. In her own memoir, which i may be the only person to have read, she takes credit for the reset button and then she argues that it was working when netanyahu was in charge. Putin was in charge then. Either naive or afraid of what happened. They were building their Artificial Island at the same time. The crimean intervention was in the works. It is in nightmare. Charlie does this to just that in 2016, voters will witness whats happening to Bernie Sanders . Do you think they are simply tired of what they consider the past . In the its names and sense that we have seen this before . And theyre looking for something new . Aty are angry not only washington but also within their own party . Is the people they believe in never had he chance except for Ronald Reagan . Hugh you have nailed it. On the left they want to go full tweaking. Bernie sanders says to elect him and they will go full sweden. They are getting the band back together again. Thats just in your imagination. [laughter] hugh i think i heard it in the background. Charlie that is it good sound. God bless glenn frey and the eagles. I like the soundtrack of Bernie Sanders, it is the best soundtrack. If you go to washington, it is so rich and wealthy. Abouticans know it is looping up the wheels. And they are tired of the promise. Given time, i think paul ryan will change that. And hist good start reach out as soon as he became speaker, he did get a lot of people on the right a lot of hope. If we can get it with the president , we can have the 1980s all over again. The democrats are not looking and it is not about going full sweden. The Republican Party wants another rake in europe and if we elect charlie who wins in iowa . Hugh Bernie Sanders does. The first person to stand up and look at Hillary Clinton in the town hall said they were hearing from all their friends that you are dishonest. Im shocked by that. And she missed the answer. She choked. And i am told by Republican Opposition firms that her three biggest boulder abilities is that she is viewed as dishonest, corrupt and incompetent. When someone calls you dishonest to your face, you dont repeat that but you talk about it. Aboute could have talked her work on the behalf of children in arkansas. Good answersmany but charlie rose, she is the dreadful candidate and god love her, if she is the president , i wish her success but she is me she is the worst Party Candidate in the last 40 years who gets a second chance. Charlie why is she leading so big nationally . Hugh in our ship. Sure. Er bill clinton remains the biggest retail president we have seen. Every time she comes out, i swear Bernie Sanders picked up five points during her part in the town hall. Charlie it is the year. Hugh it is. Charlie and then there is Michael Bloomberg. Ura new yorker so you have eight different view but i was in colorado teaching the Colorado Christian University for a few weeks this past fall and they love their guns in colorado and they dont like the mayor. Those are the big seven. Mayor bloomberg rules all seven so if he gets in, they win. If you are watching, run, run, run. Charlie what would be the scenario that makes this thing stick for donald trump . Hugh a great question. Deal like thet tennis people did in the exhibitions where they split the pot and they say look everybody tonight, all we do is hammered donald trump. The hammer on donald trump whatever the question, they load on donald trump. It would be an mistake but im not counting on them doing anything. Charlie great to have you on the program. We will be right back. Charlie we continue now with politics and the backandforth between donald trump and fox news. Joining me now we have gabriel sherman. He is the author of the loudest voice in the room, how the brilliant bombastic Richard Neals bills. Built fox news. Megan, let me go to you in iowa. What is the talk and iowa about the impact of this . Obviously we will not know until we see the debate and the numbers and what donald trump does. But having those kinds of restraints, what is the talk . It is the talk of the town. Ebay talk is what you are flagging, will this be able to fit or something that hurts him . The overwhelming consensus of what you hear is that this is again going to help him. He has the upper hand and is showing the voters who is boss and he is walking away. He is using the tone that has made him famous. You think with donald trump he has done something that will backfire, he rises again. My favorite tweet of the whole season is someone who said that anyone who thinks this will hurt donald trump hasnt been paying attention. Charlie did he do it for that reason . Not because he headaches eggs world with the reporter . I think anyone trying to import reason or a method into Donald Trumps madness is over reading things. He operates under eight different set of principles and rules with eight Different Ground game than what anyone has done. Im not sure he makes these decisions within huge amount of thought about how it will prevent him how it will win him over voters. He is the overwhelming leader in National Polls and is leading the last 10 polls taken out of iowa. 4, 5, 10 points behind. Set this andu will wonders what his strategic move is . I dont think he fixed at it that way. He is operating in an environment where he cannot seem to make it stick make in mistake. Andlie anyone who is safe of media and politics and power this does not get any better. We are in uncharted waters. Blazed eightmp has of and no one knows how it will play out. Least of all, donald trump. Donald trump started it, did he not . Says megyn kelly started it. Charlie i always thought she would appear on his program. This is not in reason. Reason, and for some megyn kelly got under his skin. This is personal, ever since august with the first debate he has not let it drop. There was something about the way he asked the way she asked the questions that she felt it was eight gotcha moment. We know that Rupert Murdoch was hostile to the idea of a donald trump candidate. He has warmed and has been impressed. He has been impressed by his resilience. Student of this primary cycle knows that. Charlie but he has also been he welcomes eight Michael Bloomberg candidacy. , i think there are many ways you can look into that. Rupert murdoch likes to stir things up. There is talk that they Michael Bloomberg candidate rlie donald trump taunting pr statement by fox that megyn kelly. What was in that . That was so infuriating to donald trump . Or is he just using it . Its not infuriating, he is just using it. About fox news terrorizing megyn kelly. This is game and ship at the highest level. We have never seen anything like this and what i think is most interesting is the dynamic that fox plays in this race, it is so different and donald trump has cracked the code. He is using it to his advantage and how fox matures and will hold they are seeing bits of their empire take away by social media, by the way campaigns are using media in different ways and by the way money has been neutralized in this race in ways we havent seen in previous races. Fox is on the losing end of many of those. And donald trump is that the convenience of those trends. It is the fascinating battle that we will see this play out into the next week and the next few months. Charlie has this come down to about between donald trump and richard hayes. Donald trump released eightweek that said it is not about megyn kelly or the anything but the statement. And we know that statement was written by against the advice. To donaldf you listen trumps statement, he was planning to do the debate even though he said he wouldnt. It pushed him over the edge. It sent them scrambling. Today you have seen fox scrambling. Donald trump will not pick up his phone call and even they ares daughter and trying to broker peace but so far he is holding firm. We are in uncharted waters. He is acting like an man who has all the leverage. Charlie does he . Its crazy, this discussion is so it exemplifies this race. Between donald trump and the iowa caucus and roger ailes is the type of media and he has to call surrogates to try to get him to do this debate. Nobody would have thought we would have ended up here. It is uncharted water. In my mind question that donald trump has the upper hand. In my book, i report this episode that happened during george w. Bush. At one point, roger ailes felt that fox news was not getting the cabinet secretaries and highlevel officials so he called the white house and said, you have to shake up. And word went down to karl rove who said they had to put the best people on fox news. If he said jump, the Bush Administration jumped. Now, donald trump is telling fox news that they are so irrelevant to his campaign that i will not even show up to your campaign decorate to your debate days before the vote. Be ane will there appearance by donald trump on fox news . He will be on the bill oreilly, he is still scheduled to do that. He is still the highest rated fox news host. Megyn kelly and she gets the primetime show at 9 00. This debate on certain nights, she beats over riley. Theres internetwork rivalry. Bill oreilly is je