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BLOOMBERG Charlie Rose August 16, 2016

Dollars for consulting with the ukrainian president. Addresslivered an focused on fighting islamic terrorism. Mr. Trump the time is overdue to develop a new screening test. I call it extreme vetting. I call it extreme, extreme vetting. Our country has enough problems. We dont need more. These are problems like we have never had before. Were taping this program before his speech. Hostng me is hugh hewitt, of a popular conservative radio program. Also from washington dc, dan balz, the chief correspondent at the Washington Post. Hugh, tell me. I am fascinated by how trump continues to get in the way of his message. Is that in his dna . Hugh he does, charlie. It is an inability to stay focused. It has hurt him this month when he could have been reproducing. I think we will have to read what the reaction to the speeches tomorrow. I hope he doesnt step on his message. He gave a great speech in detroit and then made off hand comments about the Second Amendment and stepped on his message. Today, the home of the man who invented the penalty flag. It is in my backyard. The steel valley of ohio. He will try again to reset. If he stays on message, he can be very successful. At reasons we can talk about length. Secretary clinton does not have a great record when it comes to stopping isis. Hes got to make sure she is the focus and not some sidebar he ignites. Charlie is it too late to do that . Dan it is getting very late, theres no question for the whol there is no question. The hole he has dug is deep. Pollhole average average is six points plus. That is not a close election. Map looks very bad for him. He really is running out of time. The problem is, politics is the game of addition, not subtraction. In all sorts of ways, he is blocking access to his candidacy to people and groups he needs to go after. It is because of what is hugh says. He creates divergence from his real message. Carries out these fights, grievances, he continues to try to litigate long after he needs to worry about them. Somebody other than who he is but hes got to find a way to be who he is and stay on message. Charlie you believe that is a winning message, dan . Dan i think it is a possibly winning message. We have talked about this before. We are in an environment where people are looking for change. They are not happy with the status quo. They are not happy with the way the political system works. They think something dramatic needs to be done to shake it up. Donald trump, in many ways, is the candidate best traditions positioned to do that. Hillary clinton is an establishment candidate. Many people like those policies, many do not. He cannot be the candidate for change when he is talking about everything other than that. Charlie that is exactly what you believe. Hugh i was thinking when dan was talking, he did a piece for the post on sunday that mris the crisis that exist summarized the crisis that exists. I believe donald trump had been 10 points ahead had he began to execute a purposeful, message driven, targeted at the underclass in america. The lowerclass america who feel left behind. I have always said he is a tractor beam for those who are despairing. There is a hot book out there. Elegy. Ly it is about the working class and the dysfunction, almost sense of hopelessness that has absorbed communities and States Donald trump needs to carry. Dan just alluded to this. Energizesible still to and encourage that group of people and say to the coal miners, i want to put you back to work. Say to the automobile manufacturing plants which are empty in michigan, the steel plants that are close, we can repurpose those plans and bring back jobs. It is very late in the day. It is not over. The debates still matter. But boy, it is late. It is very late. Charlie is this his message or does hessage he understand the discontent . That those people you have been speaking about feel . Hugh i think he appropriated it. His Reality Television brings him into touch with people who are eager to succeed. He is a populist figure. The people but they are very much in touch with the people. I would also point out, marco rubios forehead in florida. The republicans arent getting blown out. There are Organization Structures in the states that trump can harness. Make appointments and gestures. It is up to him. Point. Agree up to a i think hugh is right. In the senate races, the republicans are not getting blown out. At a time when the republicans akly in thoseg week states. There is a dissatisfied electorate. Trumps problem is, whether there are enough of those white bluecollar workers to actually win the election. My hunch is, there are not. He has to go beyond that. Polling, thet the most important thing, there is a gap to between those with College Degrees and those without College Degrees. In the white community, donald trump does extremely well with those without College Degrees but he is losing in many places among whites with College Degrees. That is a departure from the way republican candidates have performed. He doesnt have to win them overwhelmingly but he has to do better than he is doing. Yes to do better with women then he is doing. Do betterto ge with women than he is doing. Not get blown out and still hope there is a reservoir to put him over the top. In 1968, there was volatility. I believe we are in an era of volatility. Milwaukee could have gotten worse. As california is entering fire season, so america is entering political fire season are these debates, the events in the middle east and crimea, where there are troops massing on both sides. In, where the genocide goes on. Across u. S. And urban america, lots of stuff can happen. That is why i am reluctant to say, even if it september rolls around and donald trump is down by 10 points, i do not know whether in this year of black swans, there is not another one that is going to descend. Charlie theres also the risk that something could come out with Hillary Clinton because of the release of the emails. The director interview of hillary. Her. Hangs over dan she has not been able to put that to rest. Or recently made it worse brought it back to the forefront with her interpretation of what the ei director said as opposed to what most people think he said. Those revelations may and will continue to haunt her all the way to election day. The question is, are they clearcut enough to change perceptions . Or are they in the area of murkiness so people who have already made up their minds to with which side of the ledger the feel. That is a problem. We go back to donald trump constantly. In one way or another, he is unable to keep the focus on Hillary Clinton. He draws attention from her weaknesses and older abilities and brings it back on himself. When things happen to her, they become less of a story. Charlie you had an interview with donald trump. Iu said something like, clearly understood what you meant when you talked about obama being a cofounder of isis. The deal he made for american troops to leave iraq, and that had led to the resurgence because of how the shia government treated sunnis and all of that. Al qaeda came back. That is what you thought he meant. Dan i was sincere. I believe the president lost the peace in 2011. The withdrawal of troops. Secretary clintons failure to negotiate an extension of the status of forces agreement. We have troops there today so it never made sense, but we left. Into that vacuum came the Syrian Civil War and troops flying the black flags. I thought he was ready to give us an argument. He said, no. In that same interview, we talked about gilbert, a nigerian lebanese billionaire whose money has a distinct odor and has had to pay 300 million to the Nigerian Government to avoid criminal charges. There is an email from the foundation, help us out. We need help for him with money. She writes, this is the ambassador. Ambassador or former ambassador . Hugh i think it was the current ambassador. The former ambassador now has it, i never got the call. They have done some repair. Nonetheless, what donald trump ought to have done is not yell at the New York Times or Washington Post but speak the name gilbert again and again. Baitap for the media. The trap for the media. Not to investigate him or his press approach. Instead, he put the attention back on himself, not on mrs. Clinton. It is just a mistake. Campaign 101. Not executed well. Charlie one more time, why does he do it . Hugh if you are the star im beginning to think his greatest strength in the primaries, the masterful use of television to make himself the center of attention. That same ability to make yourself the center of attention is not something he can turn off. It is a permanent on switch. That is what makes for great tv and wonderful primary runs. It does not make for a great general election campaign. Charlie you said, dan, trump had to expand rather than subtract. She expand . Does she has a potential to appeal to the economic insecurity and discontent that is part of go ahead. Dan she certainly has tried. I think from the start of her campaign, she has talked about her principal focus will be to raise wages for all americans. Wage stagnation is an important issue. It has created some of the economic insecurity that we see in a lot of parts of the country. With she has talked about an economy that works for everybody. She has not galvanized that issue. She certainly has not galvanized that constituency a lot of that constituency, the white working class, is donald trump. She has the ability. If you look at the last few elections, the Obama Coalition to the degree she can reassemble that, is a coalition that get you over 50 and over 270 electoral votes. She has an easier way both to get to 50 in a head to head to 270 electoral votes. His path is very difficult. One of the problems he has right now is if you look at the polling nationally and a number of the battleground polls that have come out, her percentage is about what she needs. 90 , 92 . His percentage among republicans is not close to that. In some cases, the high 70s to the low 80s. He needs to bring that support up to 90 . If you see that number moving up, not just creeping up but moving up directly over the next few weeks, then this race will look more competitive. Until that happens, she will have the advantage. Charlie do you think donald trump has Ronald Reagans charm . He does not have his charm. He has even more training in the art of television. I think there is a chance secretary clinton will not is so because her lead substantial it is not worth the risk. We saw him do it in the debates time and time again, via a on moderators and candidate. Speaking directly to camera. I dont see the upside debating him. Reagan used those opportunities. I think donald trump well. Charlie you imagine she would get away with that . Dan i dont think she wants to. They have already put out a statement, to the chairman of the campaign, saying they will accept the terms of the debates commission. They will be at the three debates that are already set in terms of the dates. They will abide by the formats. Donald trump has not yet done that in an explicit way. There are indications he will participate but he has not explicitly said he will show up on the three dates on the calendar at this point or will except the terms under which these debates are held by the commission. The gap at this point is on trumps side. The primaryhe won season debates and is an effective debater. Stages when those there were a number of people with him. A headtohead dave eight debate with Hillary Clinton will be different. He has demonstrated he knows how to handle himself. I think it would be on his interest to be on that stage. Charlie my guess is he knows that and everything he says where they are saying is negotiation. Hugh i agree with that. Charlie people close to him has problems ise everything is a transaction. This has become part of the conventional wisdom. He sees everything as a negotiation. Whatever he says, goes back to how he has spent his life. A sickly starting at one place and hoping he will end up somewhere else. Think when we look back and dan writes this book, he is the developer. He has always been a developer. Large represented land developers. Everything is a negotiation. Every know can be changed to a yes. Every acre can be recaptured. Aerything he does is based on lifetime of success in development. I am believing he is approaching the debates this way. Trying to get a larger audience. Trying to remove a rather dead hand and they ought to get hallf the town format. I still think Hillary Clinton andperform a Richard Nixon walked off. There is no upside for her. Says younga today voters are fleeing ronald trap. Seeing linton town 56 25 . Hem, hugh if i can sum it up, millennials dont like mean people. Donald trump has been perceived as being mean. I think that is the long and short of it. Dan i do agree. We did a long piece. There were a number of us talking to young voters. Things. Two one, they are not wild about this choice. They dont find either of these candidates particularly inspiring. On the other hand, they find donald trump a lot scarier and less appealing than Hillary Clinton. Our reporting bears out the polling. They are going to go in big numbers for Hillary Clinton. The issue for her as it has been is whether she can generate the kind of it is he is him that brings out the big turnout that barack obama was able to do. In terms of percentages, she will do handsomely with that group of voters. To peoplehen i talk in the Clinton Campaign, i asked them what they worry about and they say turnout. Dan she has not been an inspiring candidate. Bernie sanders did as well as he did because he was able to inspire people. He had an authenticity about his message and she struggled with that. He had a clarity of his message, as does donald trump, that she lacks. It is very hard to boil down her speech into something simple. Here is what the Clinton Campaign is about, other than competence and incremental progress based on where we are today versus where we were. The issue for her is inspiring people. For a lot of democrats, donald trump is a figure who inspires them to want to vote against him and vote for her. And so much of the polling we have looked at, on both sides, there are as many or more people voting because they are voting against the opponent rather than because they are enthusiastically voting for the nominee of their party. That is an issue for her weather with young voters or latinos or african americans. She has to make sure the energy is there. Charlie do you agree they are the least popular candidates to vote for the presidency . Hugh the voter misery index, which i borrowed from ronald reagan, they are running away misery index. R i was waiting for you to connect this to literature or film and you connected it to the olympics. What is your take on trump and putin . Hugh i believe that Vladimir Putin is so far ahead of americans when it comes to playing the great game. I remember interviewing Vice President cheney and asking about putin. He said, when i looked in his eyes, i see a kgb colonel. He wants trump to win, he probably wants hillary to win. A european chess game and winning everywhere. Crimea. Moldova. Estonia. Putin is winning. What he was to do to american politics is interfere and metal. I just dont know what we know his game plan and i would be the last person to presume i have any idea what this kgb expert is up to. Said he saw aates stone cold killer. Dan it is a damaging story, although to be fair, he has denied it. He said, i have never taken any cash. I never worked for the government of ukraine or russia. We know he operated there. We know the history of that. We know american consultants are in a lot of places overseas. The question is, which side are you operating on . Thatis one of those issues will continue to be out there, surrounding him. Particularly because of the way donald trump seemingly has related to Vladimir Putin. Umps mo is it people say nice things about him, he says nice things about them. It has created the impression of a coziness. s point. Gh i have no idea what putins real game is. But they have gotten themselves wrapped into a situation in which they have to explain or deny or try to put this to rest. It is pretty hard when these stories keep coming out. There was an old roman ruler. On his tomb is the saying, no friend has done me a favor nor enemy and injury which i have not repaid in full. If you say nice things about trump, he likes you. Potential debate moderator to him. She does noth say nice things about me. I dont think Hillary Clinton would be accepting her. , was surprised donald trump but that is his mo. It is very personal. Politics is personal. Charlie and then there is the income tax returns. [laughter] hugh i asked him in february, 2015 would you release them. He said he would. He said he would go back, what is the norm . We talked as though it was a feat accomplished. Beont think he would looking at september, 2016 that he would actually have two release them. He is not going to release them. That is not happening. It probably doesnt matter to 99. 9 of the public. What matters to them is, our friend met doubt has said m att dowd has said this, who understands me better . Who cares about me . In this election, they are looking at both of these candidates and i think, i dont think either of them give a rats patootie. Charlie will he be forced to release them or, in the end, it is about reporters think understands me . Returns, i think he has made a calculation. Hugh is correct. He doesnt have to release them and most people wont care. The issue is, what is there he doesnt want to release . The second is, what does that tell us about what kind of presidency he would operate . Would he operate under the norms we expect in terms of transparency or would he not . That is a question that goes beyond the issue of the tax returns. Charlie you agree . He obviously has something to hide, does he not . What is your speculation about what he might have to hide . Is it some relationship with somebody . How much money reported or how many charitable the directions he took . Hugh i hesitate to speculate, only because i have been underwhe

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