You may recognize some of the names. Glenn back and others. One immediate implication is that the publication has been cut off from participating in the Republican Debate next month. What does donald trump think about this . Last night after a rally in las vegas, he was predictably unimpressed. The answer is that it is a dying paper. The circulation is way down. Not many people read it anymore. People dont even think about the National Review. No, its a dying paper. It is pretty much a dead paper. Mark are you more or less impressed with what the National Review has done than donald trump is . John i think they are totally misunderstanding the nature of Donald Trumps appeal. This is an inkind Campaign Contribution to donald trump. Anything establishment against trump is good for trump. Mark some people we know and respect think ideas will stop trump. We said you will not stop trump by an interest group, a magazine, independent expenditure, only another candidate can stop donald trump. Nothing they row, as you said, is going to hurt him, it will only help him. John many of their arguments are powerful arguments, well written, well argued im just saying that a bunch of guys in washington with elbow patches and tweed coats saying donald trump is bad for the party will put no brakes on donald trump. If anything, it will be an accelerator for him. Mark reports are that you will get another round of speculation. Can someone put together an independent expenditure to stop them . No. The amounts of money would take to break for now, the question, no one is going to stop donald trump except another candidate, if anybody. John somebody has to go toe to toe with him. To me, that is one of the big sorting factors in terms of who is plausible . A lot of these candidates are not plausible. Some of those guys in the establishment lane will never be big enough to take on trump. Mark this is second time the conservative publication has been booted out because they crossed trump. It does raise questions about participation in these debates. John donald trump can fight any fights at once in addition to feuding. The National Review, still focused on ted cruz. Today, the campaign released an advertisement that will run, the first negative ad that donald trump has released in his campaign. The topic, ted cruz on immigration. I am donald trump and approve this message. It sounded like you wanted the bill to pass . Of course i wanted the bill to pass, my amendment to pass, it takes citizenship of the table, but it doesnt mean that i supported the other aspects of the bill. I want Immigration Reform to pass. Allows those illegally to come in out of the shadows. That amendment would allow undocumented immigrants to remain in the u. S. And retain legal status. How do you square the circle . Actually, it would help. People want to take back their country in a humane way, but you have to have a country. People are pouring in, pouring in, and doing tremendous damage if you look at the crime, economy. To have a country, we have to have borders. We dont have borders right now. John naturally, inevitably, on good morning america, ted cruz had something to say about it. I stood with joe sessions and steve king and led the opposition that defeated amnesty. Donald trump was publicly supporting amnesty. John we will talk about ted cruz versus donald trump as we have for the past couple of days, as we will into the future. Who is winning the battle . Mark donald trump is on immigration. Making a claim about ted cruz which i think is at least questionable. Ted cruz is going after donald trump on imminent domain. This is not an issue that has been said. They believe conservatives care about it in some quarters, and it is relatively undiscussed in the debate. I dont think ted cruz can argue that he is more on message than donald trump is. The expectations game is setting up well for ted cruz in iowa, but i think trump is winning in others. John donald trump has promised he would spend money on television. He is doing that. This is his first negative ad with significant dollars behind it. He is going after ted cruz and discombobulating him. He is going straight for the jugular in iowa on this issue. Trump is on offense and ted cruz is on defense. Offense is winning the battle. Mark ted cruz in iowa, that is his state. There is no other state where he is that close to trump. This is an ad in iowa on an issue where it trump is showing strength. Trump is showing strength, and when he shows strength, he does well. I will give ted cruz credit. Ted cruz is not flailing, not showing weakness or discombobulation in the face of donald trump. He is holding up, but losing right now. Equally as interesting is clinton versus sanders. Team hillary is still trying to put the brakes on the bernie momentum. Not clear if it is working quite yet. A new poll in New Hampshire shows sanders with a healthy 50 to 41 lead. What could close that gap . Maybe both clintons going after sanders. Bill clintons we after Bernie Sanders last night, talking about how mad sanders is compared to Hillary Clinton. Today, the candidate herself suggested a sanders presidency would not build effectively on an obama presidency, as she says she would do. John, where are we on how the clintons are doing . John that is a Foreign Policy ad out today, the notion she could do all aspects of the job and he does not like to talk about Foreign Policy. There is an argument there. The strongest card is not about Bernie Sanders being a socialist, but that he is not really a democrat. Thats what this argument about obama is about, too. They are trying to reinforce the notion that this guy is really not for the party. I think there is something there. Mark the clintons themselves want to stop his momentum. There is a theory that says probably Bernie Sanders will do really well in iowa and New Hampshire, but it is a different narrative coming out of New Hampshire if he has won the vote after throwing the kitchen sink at him. Some people say, close positive, talk about your record, talk about the economy, talk about being the first female president , and if you lose them, you can go to South Carolina in an optimistic way rather than compounding the losses with negativity. John they have not in this race once they start to go negative, they have not been able to pull themselves back from that. In 2008, they spiraled out of control in negativity. They went there and could not pull it back. I will be interested to see if in the closing week whether they can get that place to where they want to get to. Will she say i can take my shots and now i will be positive . I dont know if they have that type of discipline. Mark you can understand the frustration of the clintons. The press is not holding them accountable. They are treating it like simon and garfunkel redux, all sweetness and light. John first, marco rubio getting pinched and jeb bushs bag of tricks, when we come back. John yesterday we mentioned that the circular firing squad of the republican establishment candidates has largely avoided john kasich. After our interview yesterday, he is now quarreling with the jeb bush. There is another clash involving marco rubio, who has tangled with jeb bush and Chris Christie to be the establishment candidate. The problem is he is also squaring off with ted cruz, for reasons that are hard to explain. So, mark, i ask you does this , make sense to you . Mark there was a long time where they were fighting, and then it died down. The Rubio Campaign says we are the guy to beat. There is only so much band width a guy has to fight. I dont think on balance that it is good. If marco can emerge third in iowa and he can do well in New Hampshire, he is getting some licks in on ted cruz. It might be good to get that dynamic going. John i have understood all along why ted cruz wants to damage marco rubio. He will have to get through marco rubio if he becomes the establishment candidate. I have never understood why rubio thinks it is worth his time right now. If you talk to the other establishment candidates and their campaign, they sit there every day and say, i dont understand why marco rubio is doing so well. mark i do understand that marco rubio on paper can compete with votes for ted cruz. John not right now. In some platonic ideal scenario, but nobody thinks about marco rubio anymore in terms of evangelical or tea party credentials. Mark at some point ben carsons support could collapse, and i think marco rubio potentially there to get some of it. It is vital from the part of the marco Rubio Campaign to finish as the top establishment candidate in both iowa and New Hampshire. John you think some chunk of carson support guarantees a strong thirdplace . Mark jeb bush needs an assist, so hes doing what generations have done before him, help me, mom, literally. First lady barbara bush, the most popular member of that clan, is sending out letters in support of jeb bush in iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina. Today, the Bush Campaign put out this web video with a special message from mom. Jeb has been a good father, wonderful son, hard worker, and when push comes to shove, people will realize that jeb bush has Real Solutions rather than talking about how popular they are, how great they are. He is doing it because hes sees a huge need, and is not being filled by anybody. Of all the people running, he seems to be the one who can solve the problems. I think he will be a great president. Mark an unmistakable shot at donald trump there. Yesterday, jeb bush on a Conference Call with a member of a previous Bush Administration who says she would not be surprised if bush 43 was out on the trail in South Carolina soon. The bush name has been somewhat of an albatross, but is it possible that the bush brand could help jeb bush close strong . John this is bringing back warm memories of barbara bush as first lady, because everybody looked at her as a matronly figure, and we know she was mean and tough as anyone. She went negative on donald trump without any fear. I would like to see the campaign unleashed her on donald trump. It cant hurt. At this point, it doesnt hurt jeb bush. Mark in spite of the establishment victory, the bush brand has some loyalty. If the establishment panics and thinks we cant have donald trump or ted cruz, it might be chamber of commerce types who are looking for a safe place to go. The bush plan and the backing of barbara bush and 43 may help them close strong. John at this point, and negatives of the bush name are firmly baked into the cake, right . If people are not going to vote because they dont like that he is a bush, those people are not voting for bush ever. Those Still Available to him, that might not be a bad thing. Mark i want to see 43 all in taking down donald trump. John 43 and his mom. Coming up, a prisoners dilemma for the establishment candidates. We will talk to about that and show you some video after this. Mark in game theory, it is called the prisoners dilemma, in which individuals are torn between the greater good and trying to save themselves individually. That is the exact situation the four establishment president ial candidates find themselves in, especially in New Hampshire before the primary. This sunday, on showtime, at 8 00 the second episode of our p. M. , weekly series, the circus, a documentary look at the president ial campaign that we produce with Mark Mckinnon and in conjunction with bloomberg politics. This esode is called the prisoners dilemma. The winners may turn out to be donald trump and ted cruz. Here is a sneak peak. Jeb bush is spending the weekend New Hampshire, a sure sign of how important this state is to his political future. What is your name . A child will always get my attention first. Little kids who come to see a candidate for president should get to the front of the line. You have now committed. So this is their little gift for coming. I think it symbolizes that the tortoise wins in the end, slow and steady. Is that the approach . It sure is. Ladies and gentlemen, i give you the next president of the United States, senator marco rubio. Our next president should be someone frustrated by the direction of our country. I am. And i am passionate about many of the issues we face in america, because i faced them in my own life. I am the only republican who talks about Student Loan Debt consistently, not because i read about it in a book. I had over 100,000 in Student Loan Debt. When i talk about People Living paycheck to paycheck, its not a special on pbs. I believe it because i have lived through it. Thank you guys for coming. We just saw marco rubio in a classic town hall forum. He is a good communicator, a new generation message. How are you . Are you ready . I would like to introduce now my husband, john kasich. [applause] i went to my High School Reunion when i was a congressman and a guy walked up to me and said, i understand you are a congressman. i was like, oh, yeah. he said, i voted for you to be most likely to succeed. What happened . [laughter] i have been very close to moose on a number of occasions. Im talking about city slickers. When you see the moose, the head and antlers are so big that when you look at it you wonder how it keeps its head up. Am i right . People think that everybody here is angry. We have candidates who walk into meetings and it is all about the negative and the dark. I called and them prince of darkness. I am the prince of the light. If you want to divide a country, yell and scream at the other side, you should not vote for me. If you all come out against me, then im pretty well done. The honorable Chris Christie. [applause] thank you. How fabulous it is to be in a house dominated by republicans. When i get to the white house, i know how the decisions will come into this office, fast and furious. We need to elect someone president of the United States who has done this before. Thank you all for coming tonight. I appreciate it very much. What youre going to get as a direct answer for me. You may like it, may not like it, but you will get the answer. Lets get to work. Chris christie has had his moments, getting traction, doing well in town hall meetings. That was an Academy Award double performance, very good. At the same time, no sign he is gaining traction in terms of the poll numbers. I will be ready for battle tomorrow. Mark that is a taste of circus. We are still cutting the episode. A lot more on sunday night. All four of these guys are not giving up. No one is thinking maybe i will throw my support to someone else. All four of them do make a case and have a credible case to say that i am the guy who after the New Hampshire primary the establishment will say i am your man. John if you dont do well and iowa and New Hampshire, im not saying you should drop out now. They cannot counter that. They wont admit the possibility that that might be where they want to end up. They somehow profoundly believe that somehow in the next couple of weeks with all that undecided vote in New Hampshire that it will all come together for them at the end. Mark you go to their offense, they are decent sized grabs an , incredible level of interest and questions. They are not trump size or with the intensity of ted cruz, and not all four of them can go into the final stretch after iowa say i will surge at the end. I think all four of them will say they are performing well. You dont see any of them dropping off in their game. It makes it exciting, but for the establishment, four is too many. John way too many. They are hearing from people that they are thinking about the others in that cohort, so they know directly who their competitors are, thats why its getting so vicious among them. This is not abstract. They are competing for the same set of votes with those guys. Mark they will see in this episode the four contrasting styles, all of them their own unique way. The zen of john kasich, the intensity of Chris Christie, that is something. That will be 8 00 p. M. On showtime. On sunday. It is called the circus. Check it out. You can watch the First Episode on demand right now. Coming up, joe bennison after this. Joining us is the man who tells Hillary Clinton when she is up she is down. Given the recent news out of iowa and New Hampshire, it would make sense that he may want to leave brooklyn headquarters a little bit. Last night we dealt with the most recent poll. Your candidate backed by eight points. I know you have some points of disputation. Tell us why that poll is not to be believed. The poll is an outlier. It is a sample of 280 people in a caucus where their methodology would forecast of 53,000 people voting for participating. That would be more than participated in barack obamas. Almost 50 more. More importantly, going to the calculations last night for them , to arrive at the number they did they had a sample that was 53 male. 47 female. Last caucus was 53 female. That is a swing of nine points among women that is going to affect your outcome. My point on a lot of these polls is these are tricky states. Cnn had it wrong in 2008. They had Hillary Cli