Maybe brooklyn is bluffing, playing down their chances. Why is the candidate working so hard in a state that she may well lose . Al she really has to. The bern has a bit of momentum and she wants to slow that. Sanders got clobbered. The chief strategist laid out with great clarity their plan. When caucuses, go head to head in wisconsin, and have a showdown in new york. It is robert e lee, june, 1863. You have to be the enemy on their own turf. She wants to avoid that. She wants to get back to her inevitability in the general election. Mark they said they may be downplaying her chances so even if she wins by a little, it will look big. Clinton, like her husband, dont like to give up on any st ate. Margins matter. Sanders, huge wins over the weekend. They dont want there to be another state where sanders gets a big w. Al i agree. I think they are more confident than they were a week ago. Close outr is very there. She cannot get beaten by 10 or 12 points in wisconsin by Bernie Sanders. Mark if you take the clinton folks at their word, despite limited public polling showing clinton a head, they are saying this will be a sanders stay. The demographics layout well for him. If you look at the history of people who have done well, like jesse jackson, it should be a sanders state. Al today, the Clinton Campaign was dealt a double whammy on that old email story. Prosecutors are setting up interviews with members of clinton staff and possibly clinton herself. In Washington Post adds that , they were apparently not told that clintons phone was not tied to her private email center. What is the worstcase scenario for secretary clinton on the email front . Mark there is no indication there is a grand jury. Clinton folks have been welcoming her to be interviewed by the fbi to take out the gee whiz factor. I think her aides going before the fbi is problematic. From agents leaks who dont like the fbi about what they did. If it happens simultaneous to sanders winning wisconsin and, from her point of view, worstcase, winning new york, but if he wins them both, i think it is going to cause the Democratic Party to stand up and say, wait a minute, what are we getting ourselves into . Al there is a lot of nervousness already. The fbi director is a straight shooter. Nobody really knows. If you experts said she displayed a reckless arrogance. They say you have to prove intent and they say that is close to impossible with her. Not necessarily with her aides. I dont think the story will be settled for a couple of months. Mark if it keeps going on. The shortterm is her bigger problem. If she can dispatch Bernie Sanders, i think democrats will do whatever they need to to get to the general election. Attorney general and fbi director are straight shooters, this is a complex situation where you have a Democratic Institution investigating the democratic frontrunner. Sanders has downplayed the issue. Lets see what happens in the coming weeks. The clintons have spun this in the facts that are already known are worse than they like to a knowledge, in terms of being cavalier about what she did. April should be a busy month in new york, not just because of american psycho is opening on broadway. The empire state primary is april 19 and Bernie Sanders has been Challenging Clinton to do the debate in her adopted spate. State. Here is what is brooklyns official response. There was an interesting article this week and where the Sanders Campaign laid out what their strategy is going to be in the primary and they made it clear that they intend to attack hillary and run a very negative campaign. It is our hope they do not do that. What was notable this weekend was not so much that, but it was story withgton post campaigns said they tested more negative attacks on Hillary Clinton. We saw them dont distract here. Why wouldnt you be . I think the question is what kind of campaign will senator sanders run Going Forward . He pumped 4 million in the weekend before march 15 and he lost all five states on march 15. They spent 4 million running negative ads. This is a man who said he would never run a negative ad ever. He is now running them. He is planning to run more. Lets see the tone of the campaign he wants to run. Mark not a lot of direct response to the challenge. Sanders Campaign Manager jeff lieber applied a little more pressure to team clinton. We hope the Clinton Campaign will relent. We hope they have an opportunity to see a oneonone debate between senator sanders and the secretary. It is difficult for us to understand the motivation of why they would not want that to happen, what they want to prevent the people of new york from having the opportunity. Mark the Clinton Campaign responded with a call of its own. Inders clearly once a debate new york state. Clear why they want that. Will the meal to force clinton to agree to do their next debate before the primary in the empire state somewhere . Al i think they will. Every day she refuses to debate is another good day for him to hammer her on it. The dnc tried to rig these debates. I really feel sorry for joe bensons virginie years. He ought to look at the other party. One guy is a sleaze, the other is a liar, and they are arguing over whose wife wears combat boots. Mark every clinton surrogate on television today came more and sadness than in anger of sanders negativity in the ads. They think it will not only debate in new york, but they are trying to kill the debates. Think theeason i Sanders Campaign will probably win this and force brooklyns hand is when you have a debate about debates, the cited the the side the press is for usually wins. The press would love a gotham city showdown between these two. Al what is the idea against the debate . Campaign has the gotten to negative is nonsense. I think she will relent, sooner rather than later. Mark let bill oreilly be the moderator. [laughter] trump, cruz, and the twitter. Mark not living under a rock or in north korea . You probably know that donald trump likes doing phone interviews, or phoners. It is knows prize that it is no surprise that trump phoned into a radio show. What was a surprise is the treatment he got from the host regarding his twitter feud with ted cruz. I failed in my effort to introduce you to wisconsin and our tradition of stability and decency by getting an apology from you about heidi cruz. As we know, that was an independent group. You want me to hold you accountable mark 100 not on the playground. The other place trump nice submit trump likes to make news is twitter. Cruz showed that he is not all that. Let me give an answer to the american people. Who cares . Who cares what donald is tweeting late at night . We need Real Solutions for the real problems in this country. That is the focus of my campaign. Mark the family feud between trump and cruise goes on. Some people said it is bad for cruz. Charlie sykes, the powerful milwaukee radio host said that trumps failure to apologize will hurt him with voters. Who is losing right now in trump the cruz . Al i think they are both losing. All the guardrails have come down. It used to be that spouses and families were offlimits. Wivesmber guys who had with real serious problems. Those were never raised. This time, it does not matter. Donald trump to go and say it reminds me of my kids when they are seven and five and have no fight and yellow he started it, i think it is so unbecoming and harmful. Mark there is no doubt that that is not a standard that a president could possibly adhere to, to say if someone does something, they can go and do whatever they wanted in response as long as they did not start it. Al you go ahead. Mark i continue to believe that cruz is getting way off message. He will not beat donald trump at this game and he gets way off message. If this is the only thing that makes it onto the news, even though he is making it for other stuff, as long as he talks about this, this will dominate the headlines. Al i agree. The key will be who wins wisconsin. I think cruz has a shot to win wisconsin. Mark absolutely. Kasichay, john campaigned in west salem, wisconsin. He has billed himself as the adult in the room and said that he has a lot of things to do in his life that are more important than watching Donald Trumps interviews. What cards does kasich really have other than electability . Mark he talks all the time about how he is leading Hillary Clinton in headtohead polls when other republicans are not and there is a case to make for that. He will have to rake through with his record in ohio. He is a governor who had a higher Approval Rating and got things done in his state. It seems to me he has got to talk about more than electability and he has that card to play. He is not doing it in a way that is breaking through very much. I am not hearing from a lead in the Republican Party very much from donors or members of congress saying my goodness, this is an accomplished man. This is the right person to be president. It has to be about government. Al the electability issue is real, but i agree it does not much resonate. He has to hold for a break. He and cruz may have to collude. If you look ahead, he might well do in pennsylvania and he should with trump ind new jersey and compare his record to christie. That might have people take notice. There, here we get has got to hold his own in wisconsin and new york. He has got to show that he can be competing for delegates. There is no reason why he should not do well based on his resume, and if he can do that, if you can turn them into threeway races, even if he is a strong third, that does create the argument that he is going to the convention. York tolight from new the walkie, i was thinking that even though obamacare has riled up more partisan bickering than any other issue in the last six years, it has barely come up in this election. Maybe i was doing all that read a columnse i on that viewpoint. Why isnt obama care getting more attention . Al someone will say, ok, what is your alternative . Have, itvalue in might would mean millions of people would go off the coverage role. That is a problem for them. That is why it is easier to talk about repeal rather than replace. Mark there is not one candidate left in this race that talks about a new federal program on a regular basis in a way that real people understand. Yet whoot found a voter knows about it and is excited about the plan. Trump has no specific plan. Even kasich does not have a plan. Talking about their Health Care Plan when it is such a complicated issue is not in the card. If you attack the Affordable Care act, you have to Say Something about what you will replace it with, since parts of the program remain popular. Al that is true. Mark taking a break. When we come back, kelly and. Onway is back again mark we are back. Joining us is the president of the Ted Cruz Super pac keep the , kelly ann conway. Thank you for joining us. Kelly no problem. Mark how would you appraise ted cruzs current chances of becoming the nominee kelly they are great. We started with 17 candidates. We are down to three, maybe 2. 5. There are two possible ways for this to go for senator cruz. He could win outright. Aanbplus is to go into contested convention having delegates a number of across a swath of states, heading into the convention as the odds on favorite as there are many people who would like to stop mr. Trump from being the nominee. Mark how does the super pac lan on spending his resources over the next month on making ted cruz the nominee . Tv ads . Kelly all of that. Wisconsin is a important state in the midwest. Is a place where people can swallow the venom inflicted upon them recently. Wisconsin is a wonderful touch of retail politicking. Because we have these contests coming so fast and furiously, we have missed the vigor of the retail politicking that we saw across iowa, south carolina, new hampshire. Wisconsin seems to be a similar test. In our super pac, we put down about 800,000 for wisconsin. Tv, radio, digital, get out the vote program. We are all out on wisconsin. Slice ando trying to dice some of the states by congressional district. We have just started with a great deal of vigor looking at the convention. We have convention experts, legal, and delicate experts at our disposal. Delegate experts at our disposal. Many on a volunteer basis to get us to that heplus bplus program. Al i hate to bring this up, but is the bitter personal exchange bad for your candidate as it distracts from the issues that he wanted to run against trump on . Is that a distraction for ted cruz . Kelly it is a distraction for the voters. It would be a distraction for senator cruz if he continues to be in the cesspool. I think he dabbled to defend his wife and has gotten out. He should stay out of it. It is the same thing i would have told senator rubio. If you play on someone elses turf and do not allow voters to hear substandard debate substantive debate, you are losing. I cant fault senator cruz for , making itis honor clear that someone who runs the largest procrew super pac from day one that that picture had nothing to do with us. It is an antitrump pac. Saying cruz knew about it, you are alleging that he lied and violated federal law. Those are serious allegations. Cruz condemned at the moment he saw it and had to defend his wife. I think he did so quite forcefully. Issues,ou get on the what issues, do you think, are good . What one or two issues do you think you can score points on donald trump on that have not work so far . Kelly the fact that cruz is still in this race, not having had 2 billion of free media time that mr. Trump has come of the fact that he is not a self funder, and the fact he is still there. Ted cruz has been told from the beginning that you are not electable, you were too far right. It is remarkable that so many other people were supposed to win. Part of it is people know him from his fight against obama care. Only one man stood on his feet for 21 hours in the well of the u. S. Senate. I agree with your column today, al, because i would like to hear about the plan to replace obamacare. Cruz is talking about isis and not being neutral on israel but standing with one of our best friends. Those voters that want to hear about substantive policy, there is plenty to choose from if you listen to senator cruz. Mark i say with admiration, you are as good a filibuster as the candidate you are supporting, ted cruz. Kellyanne green eggs and ham. Thank you. Mark tell me the single biggest mistake donald trump has made in the last two weeks. Kellyanne no ground game. No polling. The ability to have your own data and own vaunted ground game. Late break voters still go to him. They go to cruz. Mark thank you very much. When we come back, we are joined to talk about all things sanders and clinton. Thank you. Ordering chinese food is a very predictable experience. I order b14. I get b14. No surprises. Buying business internet, on the other hand, can be a roller coaster White Knuckle thrill ride. Youre promised one speed. But do you consistently get it . You do with comcast business. Its reliable. Just like kung pao fish. Thank you, ping. 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Is this inside baseball, or do you think the voters will care about whether or not there is a high Court Nominee . Is good primary politics. I think they will care. For Hillary Clinton, it energizes the base and gets it is also good general election politics for her, because in the end, there will be a choice, and whoever gets elected will ultimately be responsible for the makeup of the court, not just this nominee that two or three others during their term, so this is good for her. To harold, are they going come in and say when the shoe is on the other foot, sam alito, he did not want to vote on that, so it is just a matter of who is in the opposition . Harold i think they have done that by citing this the dishes this fictitious biden rule, and she lays out concerns from guns to womens rights to voting rights, and issues, to michaels points, which will not only help during this primary season but which will unite the party after the primary between her and senator sanders. The second part that is critical, and to your point, i think it creates a real problem with some of these battleground Republican Senate states, ohio, pennsylvania, what we have already even illinois, senator kirk and others coming forward and saying, i think we should have hearing. Judge garland has a hearing, it is very unlikely they will say this is the kind of model, the kind of person we would like to see on the court, not hyper partisan, and judge garland fits right in that mode. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the coming months. On a glide path for the nomination, and just play hypothetical with me. And thens wisconsin upsets her in new york, does the race get transforms, and if so, how . Transformed, does the race get transforms, and if so, how . I think the tricky thing for her is how shes dems off attacks from senators sanders off attacks from senators sanders while keeping one eye on the general el