Bay, sports fans. We will have more of the donald dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde act. John kasich and ted cruz say see you later. After a dozen debates that made him whole, 10 months after leading in his First National triedrivals sought to stop him and 75 Million Dollars in ads can block them. Dozens of contests in which he couldnt be beat in seemingly endless latenight retreats. Last, the billionaire is presumptive. This hour, we are waiting for john kasich to speak in columbus, ohio. We are going to look at what happened. Is this real life or is it fantasy . How did donald trump do this . Mark i have been asking republicans over the last several days of trump could be stopped and i have not heard a single explanation from anybody given the weakness of the field, given how trump match the mood of the party, i havent heard anyone give me a scenario that downs plausible how trump could be stopped. Once you take the field as the nature ofake those individuals and how they would choose to compete i dont think anything is inevitable in politics and it takes away something from trumps particular genius that got him to where he is today against all odds to say it was somehow inevitable. Give trump credit, you dont have to like his policies to acknowledge the fact he sees the moment, he understood the ways in which the party had changed and read the electorate acutely and built a message that resonated with millions of republicans that resonated in a way that no one else did. Maybe he could have been stopped but you have to take your hat off to him. Mark if you made a list of all the things you want in a successful president ial candidate, trump was first or second in every candidate in every category. As i said as we close out the republican nomination fight, this was not the best field either party had put forward. It was the most overrated. There was not one person in this theirwho performed under skill level. Theyll perform preclose to skill level, just none of them were a match for donald trump. John im not sure you will disagree, but theres one area, there something you want to make president ial candidate which he did not exhibit which is policy expertise or policy innovation. Any idea put forward by any other candidate none of them presented ideas that caught on with the public. John that is 100 true and that speaks correctly to the weakness of the field. I think what trump understood wanted notience innovation or new ideas, they wanted someone who understood their sense of grievance about how screwed up the room Publican Party is. We are standing by to hear john kasich in columbus ohio. Shortly after ted cruz announced last night that he would drop out of the race. Gave his nod. He said we all need to unite and focus on defeating Hillary Clinton. There are a lot of leading republicans who still have not weighed in on where they stand, but there has been a fair amount. F reaction on one end, you have scott a betterat trump is choice than Hillary Clinton. But there are a lot of people hedging. Donald trump says has the opportunity to unite the party would if he is going to build that wall, he is going to have to mend a lot of ansys. Kelly ayotte come a senator from New Hampshire who faces a tough reelection battle there. Telling the New Hampshire union leader that she plans to support trump but isnt endorsing anyone the cycle. Another tweeted if indiana changes anything for me, the answer is simple no. A lot of people still left to react but what does this say about trumps chances of uniting the rePublican Party as the nominee presumptive . Collins andk susan kelly i ought are clowns as far as the wishywashy talk. If you vote for somebody, you are endorsing them. That today notable has not in a day in which there has been a lot of loud calls to rally around trump rum a lot of establishment years. I think trump has a lot of work to do. He says hes not ever going to unify the whole party. They he says there some parts of the party he will not get. Mark bill kristol said late in the day that he was not going to vote or trump or clinton. But most of like talk to, elected officials will be enough on board to not create a problem for him. He is going to have problems with others and some of that can be solved when and if he starts raising money and helping the rePublican Party with a plan for a successful convention and make a strong Vice President ial pick. That could go a long way toward uniting the party. John it is clear if he does not see this that he should, the Vice President ial pick must be aimed at trying to solve this problem, its not about voting blocs. Mccain,romney am a john george w. Bush 43 or 41, fall the living previous republican nominees are all against him, that is not a unified party. Coming up, these surprising loss for Hillary Clinton last night what happened . Will talk more about that after these words from our sponsors. Mark before last night, Hillary Clinton was on a winning streak. And the media has been touting with the Campaign Calls and insurmountable delegate lead like donald trump. Clinton seemed to have trump like momentum and seemed the leading against her rivals in the Hoosier State primary, so what explains trump winning big but clinton losing in indiana . John the fact that the Clinton Campaign decided not to advertise in indiana and i think they may regret the decision in that it could make the next month of their life harder. Bernie sanders was on the ground its hard to win a contest you are not on the air. Mark for the most part, it did look like they could win that easily and it seemed we dont know how much money they have left because the cash on hand figures are not up to date but what are they saving the money for . Why not advertise . The clintons always think they can win but the campaign decided they did not want to spend the money. Create that second front. Agree. There some sign the exit is where the states were Bernie Sanders has been able to win, he has done better with women voters and the ones where Hillary Clinton has 1 they basically split the women 50 50, but that doesnt explain the thing. She is going to be the democratic nominee almost certainly but she made her life harder to be parsimonious with her funds there. Trumpsd about donald efforts to bring the gop together, but one looming roadblock is the Clinton Campaigns effort to identify antidonald republicans from a variety of groups. Into defectors. Which republicans are likely to targets and how big of a role will they play in the general election . My suspicion is the National Security ones are going to be a big deal. Youll see a lot of retired military and diplomatic say they are not with trump and that is why trump would like to pick somebody with National Security credentials, if youll pardon the pun, that is the trump card. I think you will see some retired elected officials, maybe some women, who will be symbolically very important. John one of the things i think is overstated is the degree to which trump is the dove and hillary is the hawk. Trump routinely misstates his position on the iraq war, which he claimed he was never for, but theres plenty of evidence that he claims he was for it. Hillary clinton has credibility with military people. Military is a huge thing for clinton because she has a lot of credibility with those folks. Dont meansements all that much, but one of the challenges they face is winning news cycle. Having the discussion be about what she wanted to be about rather than what trump wants it to be about. He dominates the news when he wants to. John when highlevel military people come out and say trump is not to be commanderinchief, that could matter. Opinions ranged even within Hillary Clintons circle about how hard it is going to be to beat donald trump in november. Some think his populist message and unpredictable campaign could hose a threat. Others are predicting a clinton landslide. Clinton seems to layout the latter argument. Ms. Clinton he said Climate Change is a hoax and i think it is real. We have to put the world together. Toe of which he has tried lob and weve a little, but i think hes a loose cannon and loose cannons tend to misfire. If hes a loose cannon, he certainly willing to say things in her race against opponents and we seen this already a lot of candidates were not prepared for on the gop side, were you ready for that . Ms. Clinton ive and in the arena for 25 years and nearly everything that can be thrown at somebody in politics and public life has come my way. Anderson you feel like you can run against them . Ms. Clinton im not running against him. Im running my own campaign. Was later, trump said he eager to start focusing on the general election. Mr. Trump i thought i would be going longer and she would be going shorter. She cant put it away. Its like a Football Game i put it away. I thought i would be out there and should be campaigning against me, so i will be campaigning against her. The biggestre variables that will determine whether trump can win or whether this will be a blowout . John can donald trump fix one or two of the following problems his historically horrible ratings with female voters in with hispanic voters . Yes to fix at least one of them. If you cannot fix either, hes done. Mark the bigger umbrella is the fight to define donald trump. He, as the clinton believe clinton people believe, a man with a dark heart that does not represent the best of the United States or is he a business man who is politically incorrect but the right person to make change in washington . That will speak not just to those groups but his ability to support the electorate he has one. John i think it doesnt start with dark heart, but with loose cannon and not suited for the oval office. The second set of thing is set of things is we give groups the sense he does have a dark will have to do work to convince them otherwise. Choice. s always a people say its a referendum on one candidate or another, but this reminds me of the gore and bush elections. Not seem bush will qualified we will convince people hes not up to the job and they did not make progress on that score. I think the clinton people believe they can rende her unacceptable. Shes got to prove she is likable enough. But a lot of this is about can trump get over the bar of being acceptable and the debates will be widely watched and hugely important. John will he pay a price . He did not pay a price for some of the controversial things he said. Will he pay the price in the general election . Coming up, look back and a look forward to this dramatic 2016 race after this break. Mark welcome back. Our next guest was with her before it was even trending. The chief strategist for the Hillary Clinton campaign, thank you for coming. s name off ofump his candidacy. If he was able to significantly improve his standing, what kind of achievement with that the in the annals of politics . If i had wings, i could fly. I gets an enormous uphill climb for him because he is extremely wellknown. The definition around him right now is of his own making. This did not get put on him by any opponent. He has created themselves. When you solidify things on your own efforts let out thatwill he could have a standing good enough to win . Anything outt rule completely, but when you look at how this has built up over time and how solidified it has been, if you look at when he started talking about running for president in the things hes been saying over the last four or five years, these ratings have been pretty steady. The other thing that will oppose hehallenge for mr. Trump is has never shown a propensity to work on his own image. He spends most of his times with adjectives, very little substance and most of the time attacking everyone else. Its hard to repair your image when that is your ammo. John change versus more of the same shes running for the third term of the Obama Administration he wants to blow up everything when massive numbers are people are fed up with the elites and establishment. Joel the numbers on the wrong track were higher in 2012 when barack obama was elected president. These things are choices. I dont think its as simple as change versus more of the same. I dont feel like people have gotten back where they want to be in a want to know who can get stuff done thats going to make a difference in their lives. President ial elections are about the future, not the past. When you look at who is talking about the range of things that affect their lives, bringing down college debt, Hillary Clinton is the candidate who happens to be winning more votes than anybody else. John would you say those voters d off thanr less pisse they were years ago . The up for grabs voters you will be competing for . Joel i think they are probably a little less pissed off. I think the repercussions of the Citizens United case and what that meant in terms of spending , whichey is troublesome is also an advantage for us. Hillary clinton was the first candidate in this election cycle to call for overturning it and appointing judges that would reverse the. I think that has people concerned. Economically, i think people are not where they want to be. I think people have figured out in theirake it work own lives and our back a little bit closer to where they want to be they are not at that level of security where they were before the economic crash. It will probably create a Better Future for them in their kids. Expect would you expect that to change next several months before the convention . When you look at the reality of the situation and whats happening on the republican side, you are talking andt and array of tweets commentary from Establishment Republicans about their dissatisfaction, including the chief consultant for john mccains race and mitt romneys race yet people like mitt graham, theirthe party is going to make this difficult to change the numbers on that side of the equation. We have more swing voters and more swing voters will be modulated in their temperament. They dont like the hyper politics in a hyper politician in this raises a donald trump character, not Hillary Clinton. Grind a nose to the stone, make a difference for you. 2012, the Obama Campaign would say we would rather have our hand then theres. What does donald trump have in his hand that you envy . Unconventional candidate. I dont think the media has treated him like a conventional candidate. You have had people like megyn kelly on fox for letting him wallpaper the airwaves or phone into sunday shows. I think his own conventionality has had the media off guard. I think now is gametime and hes going to face the scrutiny and questions. Anything else you envy besides his ability to be unconventional . Joel not right now. Mark how about his support with male voters . Joel the was a poll out tay showing Hillary Clinton running even with male voters. I cant believe you come on this show and site a public poll for the general election. Were going to take a little break. Still monitoring john kasichs withdrawal speech. We will be right back. Ime unifier. We will be a unified party. He is a con artist. Donald trump is the know nothing candidate. Donald is a bully. The bullying, the greek, the misogyny, the thirdgrade theatrics in the race baiting. At a level ist dont this country has ever seen. I move people together. We are on a bender. Fact around to backed around two. That live video with something your campaign put out today. John kasich has announced he is suspending his campaign. Not a surprise. He is out of the race for all intents and purposes. We were talking about donald trump. Your friend who ran a campaign the last two times around that he would be a little nervous about running against trump. He is so unpredictable as a performer and he scrambled the map. Talk about those two things and how you think about those two levels of unpredictability facing the trump general election. I agree on the first one and disagree on the second. The unconventionality you at me what asked me what i think he has. He has shown an ability to say outlandish things and not get his feet held to the fire for it for some reason,. Whether he can sustain that or not remains to be seen john you dont worry about that getting into your candidates had . People say things that no one us would say. Secretary clinton did some interviews today. In 25 years shes had more things said about her and at her than any other candidate who is ever been out there. I think he is pretty thickskinned. She knows when to respond and when not to respond. I think it will be a real key here. What you dont want to do is let trump dictate the terms of the engagement. I think she will be really good at that. Unscrambling the map, thats right disagree. We are good friends but i believe in looking at the map going back to 2012 and 2008. More states will be put in play for us and the republicans will have to defend. Notably north carolina. Georgia, arizona possibly. I think states like that will have to defend with donald trump on their ticket. I dont see there is a state where they make is play defense and where we dont already compete aggressively. We will compete in the rust belt the matter who it is. Mark when you have been a stronger general election candidate than donald trump and by how much . The always cant look at primary as a blueprint for a general election. Its hard to make a case that youd be a better candidate when you are losing in the primaries. If you cannot win in your own party, and its a lot harder to win beyond that. The same is true on our site. Hillary clinton amassed 3 million more votes than Bernie Sanders and 285 pledged delegates. You have to be able to show you can win in your own party to translate into general elections. He certainly would not carry the baggage that donald trump might carry with five years of unfavorable ratings, but he would have a