Shock the world and said he is not ready to support donald j trump, billionaire. We read to his statement in response to ryan but donald trump called into the Fox News Network to flesh out his side of this spat in more details. I was surprised by it. It is fine. He can do whatever he wants. Many other people were surprised. Some were really surprised and not happy about it. Comingmany endorsements in left and right. He is one of the only ones that was surprising. John was there more . There was more. He uses favorite social media microphone to derive the house speaker. He tweeted out then, an hour later, he escalated his thinking even more when Katrina Pearson went on cnn and had tough words for ryan. If the republican speaker of the house does not come around to support the republican nominee do you think paul ryan is fit to be speaker . No. This is about the party. Cyclest two president ial we were told john mccain was a conservative. His conservative review scorecard is 37 . A were told that romney was conservative. He was progay adoption. Proabortion. The same people are now telling us because their guy did not win they want to hurt the party. We are a party. Paul ryan needs to be the leader now. We are told donald trump is the presumptive nominee. Its incumbent on paul ryan to help bring unity. Too. We are a party, they put out a statement saying the chairman will meet to smooth things over. More republicans have taken sides. Dick cheney said he will support the partys nominee. Jeb bush wrote this afternoon he will not vote for either trump or Hillary Clinton in november. Lets come back to the core issue here. The particular of donald trump versus paul ryan. Who will blink first . Blinki think trump may first. Reince prius ebus, they are making progress on the fundraising front. Appeal toobably his friend paul ryan. Paul ryan may endorse and be even more powerful. Think ryan is uncomfortable with trump on many levels. Im not sure this is going to be smooth. John i have zero doubt. It isbody links blinks going to be donald trump read that response, he seemed to be impetuous. If you think of the ways when he has decided to go out and go after people in the past, that was relatively restrained. The stuff today was relatively restrained. Katrina pearson went a little out of her seat. Trump has been modulated in terms of how intensely he has attacked. Anyway he wants to pivot. If he is going to be blinking its on his side. Mark i agree. John i think that is where it is going to come if there is blinking. Mark if you think of the resistance, he has become in a surprise physician. Position. He got dick cheney, symbolic. Members of congress. He did not get the governor of illinois. Trump has to prove he can win a general election. They have reservations of his his positions. If the nominee can beat Hillary Clinton that will get people on board. John there is still a powerful thing here. The end of the week has come. The last republican nominee, previous republican nominee, none of them are for him at the end of this week. That overshadows everything else. Those are the biggest names. , what ever. Do you even want cheney . Mark donald trump is an independent who ran as a republican. John he says he wants to unite the party. Mark he has smashed the establishment. Republicans. Ized he is going to behave unlike anybody has behaved. This has not gone perfectly for him. He has got support from many establishment figures. He still may get them. John its huge for trump. If his goal was unity, and that is what he says it is. Mark he also says he doesnt need total unity. Change washington and be a different candidate you are not going to get everybody. John and he should stop talking stop talking about unity. Not getting ryan is a big deal. He is going to be hard to get. John thank you for agreeing on that one point. Mark and bill kristol of new york, a lot more, first a quick word from our sponsors. Emphasize the degree to which this is a serious time. This is not entertainment. This is not a reality show. For thea contest presidency of the united states. Is every means candidate, every nominee needs to be subject to exacting standards and genuine scrutiny. Mark that was president obama talking about donald trump at the white house. , he is calling for a thirdparty alternative. , hes in our washington bureau. Thank you for joining us today. What separates republicans like dick cheney from republicans like you in terms of willingness to stand with trump . Bill a different judgment over whether he has the temperament and judgment to be president. I i dont think any of these policies are a showstopper. It is choosing the lesser of two evils. I think this is true for mitt romney and the bushes. Think donald trump doesnt need meet the basic standards. Im not trying to pick a fight between you and dick cheney. Im confused as the sociological and human level, you have Great Respect for dick cheneys judgment. Im confused. Is that it. You are looking at the data and cheney says this guy has the character to be president and you say he doesnt . How could that be . In general you would be inclined to endorse the republican nominee. Bill i dont know. I would be happy to have a debate with dick cheney. I dont expect that to happen. Elected officials, former elected officials like dick cheney, they lean more heavily, more presumptively likely to endorse the nominee. They have done a lot of times. People they view privately not very great. Not elected. I dont expect to be elected. I have a different standard in that respect. Ive have the same mental backandforth myself. Should one be surprised that recentd the most nominees arent supporting the republican presumptive nominee . Yes. Saying, onjohn was , one of you , on the other hand he has picked up a lot of people through a range of senators. Is it more impressive this number of people who dont think well of him are endorsing and supporting him or is it more impressive that he doesnt have the support of the former candidates . Which is pretty amazing. One other thing. We will see how this plays out. I think it is a mixed bag. John when you think of donald theps temperament, what is piece of evidence you most sees on that he has done or said that , a guy who said that acted that way should not sit in the oval office . Temperament is too mild. Character. A few days before indiana. You embrace the endorses endorsement of a rapist. You dont say that was horrible that i didnt think of that. He doesnt even say that. He just says i like toughness. Mike tyson is tough. He spends this conspiracy story from the National Enquirer about ted cruzs father complicit in the assassination of a president of the united states. No evidence for it. To cruz denies it as he has come as he should. Donald trump says i dont know. It could be true. Willful disregard decency,cts, of all the one thing you could ask me, it was the mocking of the disabled New York Times reporter, which is such a humanly grotesque thing to do. Then he just lies and says i didnt do it. Its the combination of the bullying, the line, the disregard of facts and prudence. If you want to have a congressman who is kind of a buffoon and reckless and says things he shouldnt, fine. Hes a congressman. The country . Do to a commander in chief . You just person described is dick cheney and Mitch Mcconnells candidate for president of the united states. This new idea of stopping trump and stopping Hillary Clinton by finding someone who can win six dates big enough to keep them from getting 270 electoral votes. It seems doable. Somebody has to win six mediumsized states. Then virginia and north carolina. U. N. Those, you may be able to stop. If you could pick anyone to do that, leaving aside they would be willing, who is someone who could pull that off . With the right money . Bill the person i had conversations worth with, jim mattis could have run an impressive campaign. A genuine independent. I think there is even a Winning Strategy which is premised on a long shot that the independent candidate takes off. The three are on stage. Voter see them together. This candidate mark he said no. Out, namee is somebody who could do it who might. Is there anybody . Bill or mitt romney. I think he is thinking about it or he could he the code that cochairman. Mark those are good names. We will have to talk about the romney option. We will talk to peter king about paul ryan and donald trump in just a moment. Stay tuned. John this next interview is on the house or of the house. Joining us is congressman from district,econd congressman king. You have a situation on your hands in the Republican Party with donald trump. Trying to figure out whether they are going to be supportive of him or not. Give us your sense. You have been critical of him in the past. Now you have said you will support him. I have said i would support the nominee of the party. I will endorse him and vote for him. Im not trying to make a cute distinction. I will not be campaigning for him. He has to make a more coherent foreign policy, National Security policy, and tried to tie together somehow resolve the inconsistencies in his overall policy. I am a republican. I believe in the twoparty system. I expect to be back in Congress Next year and i want to play a role in whats happening. I think we are at some sort of a defining moment. Thiss this is a oneoff, could be a turning point in the party. On almost every key issue donald trump is differing from what had been the accepted republican policies for the last 50 or 60 years on defense, trade, on the issue of being more receptive to other people. Mark i know you are saying he is deviating but you said something, that he needed a more coherent trade policy. Are you saying what you know currently is they are incoherent . Yes. I am. He is talking about how china will be our main adversary. We have to stand up to them on the economy and militarily. At the same time he talks about withdrawing troops with korea and japan. , onehe ridicules the tpp of the main purposes was to strengthen our position these of the china so they cannot take off one by one these asian countries. You have to reconcile that. Or how he is talking about some form of withdrawal from the middle east saying the u. S. Is not going to be a policeman by the same time we are going to protect christians. These are inconsistent, incoherent policies. In a general election, who be the favorite to win and why . Right now Hillary Clinton is the favorite. But going back to last summer, donald trump or marco rubio or jeb bush would have been the favorite. Theld trump is defying all rules of gravity and politics. Hillary clinton has to be the favorite. I would not be surprised to see donald trump make a good race and actually beat her. He is going to come at her very asymmetrically. Mark why did she have to be the favorite . The fact that Donald Trumps unfavorables are higher. She has a united party. Some Bernie Sanders people will leave her. The organization of the democrats will be with her. Exiles that government out there working for her. She again, many more democrats than republicans. They have the large voting blocs coming for them, the africanamerican vote, the hispanic vote which the republicans dont have. Donald trump can go for the reagan democrats into troy, michigan, pennsylvania. That is why its going to be significant. Ryan said he supports the republican nominee. There is now a de facto nominee. Why shouldnt we take his position of going back on his word . First of all he was expecting this to be resolved at the convention. Paul ryan has different responsibilities than i do. Leader of theacto congressional republicans. He wants to ensure republicans keep the majority in the house. He wants to make sure donald Trump Realizes there are a number of House Republicans who have serious differences with him. I am assuming these are his reasons and he wants to protect them. He believes very strongly in a Strong National defense, and free trade. To gets to find a way donald trump to make some accommodation with that as we go forward. John you talked about one of the things paul ryan seems to be doing, to give some cover to your colleagues in the house. Play sociologist. You are well in touch with yours colleagues. Your colleagues. How many will want to take that cover and not do what you are doing, to keep their distance from donald trump . Whether they have to repudiate him or stay clear of them to keep their jobs . There is a good 30 or 40 have serious issues with donald trump politically. They would be the moderate republicans. On the other hand you have strong conservatives who feel definitely he is not a conservative. Paul has to look out for both wings of the polity party. As for electoral issues, its probably, 30, 40 that will have real concerns. Give me three adjectives you would use today to describe donald trump. Flamboyant, and an enigma. Hillary clinton . Determined, strong, insecure. Which may be in sick undermine strong. Mark good for truck or bad for trump . , dick cheney and donald trump its good for him. Any endorsement is good. But it struck me, i cant imagine two more different people in my life. Forgetting the politics break just the people they are. Two different worlds. John you suggested donald trump, this moment is a crisis for the Republican Party. How serious is it . Could it be an existential crisis and lead to the fracturing of the party as we know it . Ats it could result in restructuring. I never what to from a twoparty system but this is a defining moment. When you think of all the policies we have had, goldwater, rockefeller, nixon, all of them, even when there were divisions there was much more agreedupon than now. Donald trumps key issues and key point he is making, they are arguing with what the position has been historically. They use that term establishment. The fact that these are well thoughtout policies, we have to analyze them carefully and look at them. I dont want to become an isolationist party. I dont want to put ourselves in the position where we have the same form policies as barack obama but we are disguising it as america first. Mark all right. Have a great weekend. Thank you for being with us. When we come back with Donald Trumps vp summit next week and more after this break. Show me movies with romance. Show me more like this. Show me previously watched. Whats recommended for me. X1 makes it easy to find what you love. Call or go online and switch to x1. Only with xfinity. Show show me more like this. S. Show me previously watched. Whats recommended for me. X1 makes it easy to find what blows you away. Call or go online and switch to x1. Only with xfinity. Thought it people was humorous and they also thought it was acknowledgment by trump that he recognizes it was a day important to the Hispanic Community. Do you think he could be more sensitive to not stereotyping different ethnic groups . I dont think he was stereotyping and ethnic group all. It was a holiday for the Hispanic Community and i thought he thought it was all in the spirit of the holiday. That was the Senior Advisor to Donald Trumps campaign talking about his bosss much ,ommented upon taco bowl tweet which was massively retweeted. Several outlets reporting Hillary Clinton will be interviewed by the fbi regarding her email server in the coming weeks. No date has been set. To the toccoack bowl, im wondering whether you think that thing will end up a footnote at best in this campaign, or will it linger in some ways . John i think it is telling, in a way. Did, it yesterday i was a bumbled latino outreach effort. I think that is how he meant it. I think he was trying to reach out. Hamhanded and so soaning in some ways demeaning in some ways that it is resonant in a way. Trump does so many controversial things. Three or six months from now, it will be a footnote. I think its not just a little gap. It has some broader resonance. Mark the Trump Campaign path to do list is massive. Debate, all these things. Hispanic outreach has got to be a priority. One of the criticisms of the Romney Campaign was that they never really got a fullfledged hispanic outreach effort up and running. It will remain to see if that tweet represents i dont want to say the sum total, but the way trump thinks he can view social media that can impact his chances. John mitt romney could have. Have focused on it. Is problem for trump, who the hispanic politician, the hispanic business leader, the hispanic who would be the face of that effort . I dont know who that would be. Who would be the marquee players amongst hispanic american republicans who would rally to trump i come out and say, we know donald trump is a good guy . I dont know who those people would be. Mark joining us from the art deco palace down the street, and bc news katie kerr. Nbc news katie kerr. What was the highlight and lowlight of the Trump Campaign . You guys are talking about the tocco bowl. That can be considered in many corners the lowlight of the campaign this week. Devilse going to play advocate, the highlight could potentially be his response to paul ryan, and in the Campaign Managers response to paul ryan. I was speaking with corey lou down see last night and i asked him what he thought of the speakers words and his lack of coming out to endorse him, and he pointed to his boss standing under the stage on these bright lights, captivating the attention of about 10,000 people who were at the West Virginia rally last night, and he pointed and said, thats the leader of the Republican Party. In some ways, that can be by the voters, a highlight of this campaign, that he has embraced them instead of embracing the political elite. A sound ofo play donald trump talking a few minutes ago about paul ryan in omaha, nebraska. Mr. Trump paul ryan, i dont know what happened. I dont. He called me two or three weeks ago. It was a nice conversation. He was congratulating me. The was before we had ultimate victory. I figured routinely he would be behind it. The oth