Plain. That is longtime republican pollster and strategist and trump advisor, Kellyanne Conway. She has been promoted to Campaign Manager. Here is what Kellyanne Conway had to say about the move. Kellyanne and it is a busy home stretch. We need to beef up the senior level roles in a way that we are dividing and conquering. What he doesnt like his people telling him exactly what to say, that is Hillary Clintons game. What does the focus group say, who should i be, what should i believe, how do i say it . I picture her in brooklyn saying i know the country doesnt like me or trust me, i never want to hear it again, how do we win . That is not our dilemma. The fact is, with donald trump he is his own best messenger. People see him as very authentic. Mark that is the Campaign ManagerKellyanne Conway, newly minted, and she is being joined by a guy named Steven Bannon. He has had more gigs than an Avett Brothers summer tour. A Goldman Sachs banker, hollywood banker, navy officer, and, until recently, the head of the conservative news website breitbart. He is becoming the Trump Campaign ceo. Meanwhile, Paul Manafort, the Campaign Chairman who replaced the Campaign Manager a few months ago, will stay on his current position. The Campaign Manager he ousted was Corey Lewandowski. So, what does cnn analyst Corey Lewandowski think of these latest developments . Corey a candidate that wants to win, this is a clear indication. If you look at Steven Bannon and breitbart, it is win at all costs. It is very important that kellyanne is with him as much as possible. Kellyanne conway is great with message development. She had a successful Polling Company and brings calm to donald trump. Her being on the plan is what has been lacking, which has been senior leadership, for two months. Mark Kellyanne Conway and Steven Bannon join Paul Manafort. Why is trump making the changes, and what does it mean . Donny he is making them because he is losing. The definition of insanity is continuing the same behavior and expecting a different outcome. He has found his ultimate match. He wants to go back to where he started, the outsider, the flamethrower. He has had to post primary nudge with the Republican Party. I have to play and pivot. You can see he is not comfortable, it isnt working, and he is doubling down. We will talk more about bannon, throw flames, us versus the establishment, us versus you. He is doubling down on trump being trump. Mark i do not know what bannon will be doing. Paul manafort is not for a establishment message. He is more for a message of change, fundamental change, revolutionary change. Kellyanne conway, while she supports the change message, is someone who is part of the republican establishment. She has worked for the Republican National committee, she knows leading members of congress. I do not know how much this marginalizes manafort. He is still the chairman. Everyone ive talked to says he has a huge role in the campaign. While the press wants to turn it into a shakeup, they are understaffed. They have two senior people trying to deal with decisions. If Kellyanne Conway gets on the airplane, goes to events, keeps him focused, i do not care what the downside is. That improves his chances of winning. Donny it is a good move. They both have the same tone as trump. We talked yesterday when we were showing a clip of donald trump giving a speech. I said look how uncomfortable he looks. These are his people. He is backed into a corner now. Kellyanne knows how to pivot in a second. She is tough. She is aggressive. I disagree with everything that bannon stands for, but he is an animal. Mark trump wanted to people around him that could make sense to him. He trusts their judgment. He has known Kellyanne Conway longer that he has known bannon. He is taking a little bit of a risk by bringing in someone he knows, but not at the fingertip level of whatever he says goes. He trusts Kellyanne Conway. She has not been on any winning president ial campaigns, but she has worked in politics. She understands the trump product. Donny what scares me is that a possible future commanderinchief where kellyanne even said he needs a person next to him on the plane. This is the president. I want to know if that person calls in sick, the wheels will not go off. I do not think barack obama or bush needed someone by their side. Mark bill clinton ran an antiestablishment campaign in 1992, yet democrats were loyal because he said this guy can win and has a message about change we believe in. This team could help trump do that. Im not saying it will change the race, but he gives him to people that he has confidence in. Donny and who he, temperamentwise, likes. Hours before the world fond out found out about Donald Trumps nonpivot pivot, he gave a speech in wisconsin where he took sharp aim at the republican elite and embraced the outsider credentials that got him this far. Mr. Trump i am not part of the corrupt system. The corrupt system is trying to stop me. The Leadership Class in washington, d. C. , of which Hillary Clinton has been a member for 30 years, has abandoned the people of this country. When we talk about the insider, who are we talking about . The comfortable politicians looking out for their own interests, the lobbyists that know how to insert the perfect loophole into every single bill and get richer and richer and richer at your expense. The insiders also include the media executives, anchors, and journalists in washington, los angeles, and new york city who are part of the same failed status quo and what nothing to and want nothing to change. They do not want it to change. The mediadonor political complex that has bled the country dry must be replaced with a new government of, by, and for the people. Donny lets assume that kellyanne is on the plane every day, can she keep him on message . Mark it is unfortunate that donald trump made these changes the same news cycle of that speech. We both think that that is the best speech in terms of a campaign that can win. I do not want people to misinterpret my words that he is a frontrunner, but that is the message democrats have been worried that trump would get onto. About change, and one thing in and lumping in all the big establishment forces in the country and saying, if youre happy, vote for Hillary Clinton. If you do not like big media, government, or business, vote for me. Donny psychology. Hypocrisy. The effectiveness or not. The psychology. What he is doing is repackaging the muslim ban and the wall to a more socially acceptable thing. Simply, you find hopefully a large enough group of people that are not happy with life. Instead of blaming a muslim or an immigrant, you are blaming, here is the group, politicians, media, hedge funds, wall street, the city of new york, los angeles, and beyonce. That is your problem. The hypocrisy is that today the front page of the New York Times is a story about donald trump, billionaire, as he was taking shareholder money and he was taking out money, he got a 25 million tax deal with chris christie. Lumped in a new yorker, a billionaire, working with wall street, and a politician. He is the epicenter of everything he is working against. Mark you had republicans make that case. You are right. The clintonpeople will turn on a dime. If he gets traction saying that he is the outsider, they will say, you have lobbyists in washington and special sweetheart deals. Youre the poster boy for government using your money and leverage to get benefits from government. He will have to fight back against that. Donny i think it is too transparent. I think the swing people, the suburban characters of philadelphia and washington dc, the women will not bite on that. It is doubling down on the people that are already there. Mark at a minimum, he may consolidate the Republican Base and he might get some democrats. Another interesting nugget from bannons past is he had the royalties from a little show called seinfeld. Obviously, we jumped at the chance to combine seinfeld and the president ial campaign. Two of the pillars of our lives. Our team dove into the archives to find clips that help us answer the question , who is Steven Bannon . If you want to get inside the mind of Steven Bannon take a tour through breitbart. Com. It is aggressive, heated, and often very paranoid. It is not a lie, if you believe it. Breitbart often peddles conspiracy theories. I am saying that the spit could not have come from behind. There had to be a second spitter. He is the ceo. He has run several Successful Companies in the past. What does he do . He is an importer. Just imports, no exports . He is an importer exporter, ok . He has no experience running a campaign. How did he get this job . We will find out what bannon brings to the party. Here is your cake. See you. Mark when we come back, 2 reporters following the ins, outs, and implications of Donald Trumps campaign. I understand where you come from, pretty much. You are impossible to totally figure, i must say that to your listeners. Anyone who thinks where you totally come from, they are making a mistake. Mark that was donald trump speaking with steve bannon in may. Trump staffers come and go, but this nbc news correspondent is forever. She is often at trump tower. Now the National Correspondent for business week, josh green, whose cover story ran in october of 2015 calling steve bannon the most dangerous political operatives. The Trump Campaign has been touting that. Lets go quick. Katy, you got a piece up on the site with some of your colleagues. Trump often says he makes decisions with his head, and with his gut and instinct. Is this decision to bring in these 2 new people something that you think was rational and thoughtful, or more gut instinct . Katy i want to say that this is more of a gut decision from donald trump. If you look at the polling, he is down. He has not been comfortable with Paul Manafort, he has not been comfortable trying to pivot and run a more traditional campaign. Sources within the Campaign Keep telling us that he has been deeply unhappy now for some time. Now, he is realizing, in their words, that trusting his gut, embracing his own instincts is the right way to go. They feel very strongly, and trump feels very strongly, that the way that he ran during the primaries, beating out the 16 candidates was the way, the right way, to go. Trusting his gut, going out there, shooting from the hip, making headlines, and refusing to apologize. In the past couple of months since Corey Lewandowski left and Paul Manafort took on more power, they tried to traditionalize and professionalize the campaign. You have seen donald trump chafe at that. Trying to be conciliatory with the Republican Party. He had to read from notes the other day, remember, when he was forced to endorse paul ryan and john mccain and kelly ayotte. That did not seem like a comfortable moment for him. Now bringing on Kellyanne Conway, who has been a longtime friend and advisor, even helped on a potential run, or looking into a potential run, for governor of new york. Bannon, who is very antiestablishment, bringing those two on is an indication that donald trump will be going back to doing it his way, and not listening to anyone telling him to change. Mark josh, everyone should read your piece on Steven Bannon. It is great insight. People think of him as breitbart. It is provocative, and sometimes more than that. He has been very consistent getting his earpiece clear and taking Opposition Research and getting it into the mainstream. Talk about bannon as a a strategist who understands the media and political ecosystem. Josh he is interesting. Bannon has a diagnosis as to why conservatives failed to stop bill clinton in the 1990s. It is that they went too far, that they jumped over the cliff pursuing rumors about vince fosters murder. The Mainstream Media and voters tuned them out. Bannons view is that Hillary Clinton is attackable, but only if you focus on things that matter. Bannon is the head of the nonprofit that put out the clinton cashbook detailing the Financial Transactions between various foreign entities and the clinton foundation, which was a frontpage New York Times story. What you saw was the strategy play out where bannon understands if you can dig up real facts about clinton that will drive down honesty and trustworthiness numbers, and you present those to investigative reporters, if there is news they will publish it in the Mainstream Media. Donny your piece was great. You compared bannon to lenny riefenstahl. Josh not me. No i didnt. Andrew breitbart said that Steven Bannon was the lenny riefenstahl of the tea party movement. He was a filmmaker who did a documentary on sarah palin. Mark we will be back after these words from our sponsors. Mark were back here with tim miller, the cofounder of the super pac america rising. And an avowed antitrumper, one of the leading antitrumpers i feel comfortable saying. Before we were coming on the air, we will working on research and we wasnt able to finish. I hope you can help us. Those buying for your super pac say you are scaling back in three states. Virginia, where you already scaled back, colorado, and pennsylvania. Three states where Hillary Clinton is ahead. Is it true you are scaling back buying in those states . Guy we are. As you know, we are always making assessments if we are spending money efficiently. As of right now, we are reducing our spending in those states. Mark you are reducing because you think her lead is big enough you do not need to be on the air . Guy that is correct. We are constantly assessing where we are. We take this on a weekbyweek basis. We not taking anything for granted. We know that virginia, colorado, and pennsylvania has been relatively close elections over the last cycles, but for now we will look at other opportunities to expand the map and reach out to new voters through Voter Registration and on the ground efforts in key states. Mark my understanding is this reduction going off the air, that goes through september 20. That is a couple of weeks. Are you banking that money and saving it, or moving it to other states . Guy we are moving it to other states, and also other activities. One thing that we have been doing is we have been doing is were not only focusing on persuadeable swing voters in the suburbs. We think it is critical to use this opportunity to increase registration and turnout among constituencies like hispanics, africanamericans, younger voters, unmarried women. We will look at opportunities in places like florida and ohio to begin doing work on the ground with registration and turnout. It will be a combination. We do not expect making any changes to the current map before labor day. Tim this is a wakeup call to the Republican Party. Despite thinking donald trump can win new york, the president ial race is over. Hillary clinton plus guys super pac has 50 millions on the air in new york to bring out voters. We have a Competitive Senate race in north carolina, donald trump has nada on tv in north carolina. It is critical the republican groups focus efforts on going to states like north carolina, trying to save people like richard burr, so we can check Hillary Clinton. Donny you see such a flawed candidate at this point. What would you do over . Tim i think the republican electorate, it was not the right year for a candidate like jeb. If you look at jeb, marco, kasich, having an optimistic vision for the future, they got one third of the vote, less than one third of the vote. It was not like if we had had one zinger it would have been different, the party was not in a place for it this year. I think if ted cruz was the nominee, that is why when jeb dropped out i immediately began working for an antitrump pac, they would at least have to have ads in colorado and virginia. Right now, we need to stave off a landslide. Mark tim says the president ial race is over, do you agree . Guy no. We are still in august. Tim you are not in the air in virginia. You can agree with that. The race is over if you are not on the air in virginia. Guy i do not think that is true. We have to stay focused in places like florida and ohio, new hampshire. Not only because we have the president ial race, which will be determinative if way win or lose the presidency, but because of Critical Senate states around the country. It is important that Hillary Clinton is inaugurated and she has a senate with the same values as we, democrats, independents, and fairminded