it's pretty clear now that if we had stepped back and let obama care's miraculous rollout, that fantastic well-choreographed rollout just to get out there on its own, that would have done more damage and aided the cause of changing obama care or getting rid of it than anything we've done in the past few weeks. right now do i think we have a solution, though, and it's border security. we put up a fence around the mexican restaurant where ted cruz meets. and we keep him away from the senate for a few days. >> dean, what about that? what if you had just let this rollout -- you believed it's going to be a complete disaster. you would argue it's probably already been a disaster in the way it's been rolled out. so why not just let it roll out? and if you're correct, everybody will turn against it. >> well, because it's been a plied very unfairly. basically all these corporate interests and now labor unions have gotten exemptions. the american people are the only group that haven't gotten an exemption. they ought to be free not to do