republican party more conservative than they used to be? there used to be a moderate core in this party. how much does fox news have to do with that? i don't know. >> i wouldn't put it like that. what fox news has done is put a premium on entertainment on the right. in other words, shifting it to the far right, what it's done is put a premium on good talkers, good exhibitionists, good talk show hosts. not governors. not people interested in the nitty gritty of politics. people whose careers are made by poe -- by polarizing. >> roger ailes said, i have all these tv screens on in my office. i tell people turn off the volume, watch the screens. if your guys go to fox, it's working. that speaks to entertainment. he captures viewers in a way that other television networks don't. >> no serious conversations are