where they accept it and all of the other things that are important to a gay community, but at least it allows us to have a conversation. in the black community one of the things that's held us back in this conversation and others is we have a don't ask don't testimony sort of policy on things that make us uncomfortable. this allows us to ask and tell. >> professor watkins, you have been saying that the president coming out for same-sex marriage has created some divisions within the african-american community? >> yeah. if you go down to the south side of chicago and you survey the black pastors, you're going to see the hat fields and mccoys. you have some pastors who fully embrace the liberal agenda and they're following in lock step with what president obama says is right and you have others who say, you know, the bible taught me something different and i believe something different and i think at the end of the day it's a matter of respecting different points of view. i will agree, however, that there's really no group of americans more marginalized than the black gay community. i think that a lot of what you