time when i was there. i never heard any other type of firearm except the shotgun. >> so you know -- i mean, you personally, you're friends with -- you've lost a lot of friends. >> yeah. six people i personally knew in that building. i reported directly to mary knight every day about stuff. j.j., he worked with me and submitted forms to me that i passed on to somebody else for approval. jerry reid, i saw him every day in the halls and worked with him, but not in a direct fashion. sylvia frazier i worked with every day. and that's the person i'm most sad about. she was the nicest person in the world. and i cannot believe that man killed her. it's just -- that's -- i can't believe that. and pandit, i knew him too. he was one of my users when i