i never met anyone more aggressive in my entire life. >> did you expect him to be so gracious and so forgiving when he walked from robben island. >> i don't think he had the speed. my concern was that, you know, all the expectations i had had couldn't possibly be realized in practice and i as a student protester of my generation how could this man be as iconic as we hoped he would be. but he was. that was the point. then we obtained from his background and the tribal village and listening to elders in that process of reconciliation. i don't know where it came from it was absolutely crucial and it was down into indicated effectively. the most transient spoorns i had was at the rugby stadium in south africa about three mobth later. it was in full flight. i was sitting with mandela, the