west and ukraine is essential to that vision however much people in the west think the vision is delusional. and he is playing very hard. he's got economic levers. he's looking at leverage. he's going to pull back now. there can be a military off ramp. somebody like former premier schrader, foreign minister schrader of germany might go there to talk to him about getting the military out, but we're going to see a long program of destabilization to keep ukraine from moving too far west and he's determined to do it and at the same time it's clear the ukrainians most of them want to move west and there's a long way to go with this and he's got a lot of instruments in his power and he's threatened also to keep the military pressure on if need be. >> and carl, is it clear what the white house's next move is? >> i think, yes.