a perversion of islam and you say it is a very primitive look. >> yes, they look at the islamic text of the koran and the hadith, and they have a literal interpretation of the text. >> and they are literal. >> yes, very extreme of the interpretation, and they do care about the texts, and they do have a collection of the scholars and not widely known scholars but people who look at the texts, and look at what happens because of the text. >> but people who are joining, they are not islamic scholars but people in street gangs. >> and yes, graeme's articles tell us who the true believers believe. and why is this catching on. and islamic ideology has been around for centuries, but why is