the whistle-blower report really is that he was -- he was giving zelensky advice about how to, quote, navigate the president after that -- after the phone call the president had with zelensky. what kind of advice was he giving him on that? was he just trying to work out a way to secure the aid for ukraine and work around rudy giuliani? i mean, don't forget volker is somebody who is a mccain guy, and he would have been personally very much in favor of aiding ukraine against the russians, and that's where he comes from politically. so we have to hear from him, and i think it's much more likely that as a private citizen, we would hear from him a lot more freely. >> asha, do you agree with that? i mean just from a legal standpoint, his resignation makes it more likely for him to cooperate, that he's not under some state department restriction? >> yes, he definitely has more